If you were a terrorist...

[Stephen]

I am reminded of this scripture...

JS-H 1: 12
"...for the teachers of religion of the different sects understood the same passages of scripture so differently as to destroy all confidence in settling the question by an appeal to the Bible."

And this one...

Acts 13: 41 Behold, ye despisers, and wonder, and perish: for I work a work in your days, a work which ye shall in no wise believe, though a man declare it unto you.

I think this conversation isn't really working out...and my brain grows tired. I feel like I am back on a mission trying to prove the book of mormon is true! I think I answer your question...and then you ask the same question. I want the next subject!

My reference to Seantum was when the prophet Nephi told those that were accusing him...to go and look at the cloak of Seantum to find blood...as proof that he killed his brother. I was just likening it to our conversation...inviting you to go and look at the blood on the cloak of our government. To waste and wear out your life "exposing the hidden things of darkness".

The bottom line is that you and I were not in the planning meetings for these events to know exactly why they did what "they" did. We were not there to know who all was involved. We are left to pick up the puzzle pieces and make a picture. Frankly...even if people confess to being the masterminds behind the attack...we more than likely can't believe them. My point of view is that the hijackers...whom I do believe actually hijacked the planes...were just pawns in the hand of the great and abominable church of the devil...not the masterminds. I believe that people in our government had foreknowledge of the events...and even facilitated them. It seems from what I understand that you believe that our governments cloak is pretty clean. Whatever. Let's just do as good ole Stephen Covey says...to "Agree to disagree".

[A person who is not intellectually dishonest...could not...I repeat...COULD NOT...watch that video and not say "There was something fishy going on"...by the end.]

I agree with this too.

Are you conceding that you took the time to watch the documentary!!! Yeah!!

[Col. Flagg]

[ignoring and discounting the mounds and piles of physical and scientific evidence indicating 9/11 was an inside job is like discounting a DNA test.]

First the logic, then the evidence. Global Warming is illogical to me, therefore I don’t bother watching Al Gore’s movie and all the other video presentations you can find on the internet to “prove” global warming. It is illogical to me for the LDGs to risk exposure by demoing the Towers instead of just letting them burn.

9/11 and global warming are very similar in one way... if you do some serious research and study into both of them, you find that they're both a giant fraud.

Try explaining it to me this way since I have a thick skull and no one has answered my other questions.

Pretend you are Master Mahan discussing with Bin Laden an attack on the US using 4 hijacked planes.

First, explain why these 4 buildings would be chosen

I explained this in my other post above (why the towers were targeted). Here's a brief summary in case you missed it...

Like many buildings built in the 1970's, the twin towers were constructed with vast quantities of cancer-causing asbestos. The cost of removing the Twin Tower asbestos? A year's worth of revenues at a minimum; possibly as much as the value of the buildings themselves. The cost to disassemble the Twin Towers floor by floor would have run into the double-digit billions. In addition, the Port Authority was prohibited from demolishing the towers because the resulting asbestos dust would cover the entire city, which it did when they collapsed, resulting in many cancers with a confirmed link to the WTC dust.

Despite its questionable status, in January of 2001, Larry Silverstein made a $3.2 billion bid for the World Trade Center. On July 24, the Port Authority accepted the offer. Silverstein then took out an insurance policy that, understandably, covered terrorist attacks, which happened seven weeks later. To date, Silverstein has been awarded almost $5 billion from nine different insurance companies. What was an asbestos nightmare turned into a $1.8 billion profit within seven weeks.

and what the maximum damage could be caused by 4 planes to the buildings AND how the country would have been harmed by this max damage.

Second, explain how a secondary plan to demo the Towers is worth the risk of discovery of the LDGs.

How about billions of dollars of profit in insurance payouts instead of paying billions to rid the buildings of asbestos... sounds like motive to me.

Third, explain how the demolition of the Twin Towers could be done.

Access to the elevator shafts is all it would take. George Bush's younger brother, Marvin, was the head of a company called Securacom, which just so happened to be in charge of security for the WTC's... gaining covert access to the mechanical floors of the WTC to plant demolition charges would have been possible. Bomb sniffing dogs were removed by the company weeks before 9/11 occurred and there was a two-day power-down a few weeks before as well on a weekend (I believe it was), with no video surveillance or footage of anything, all owing to a 'cabling upgrade'. Discounting demolition, the telescoping collapses mean that the towers would be collapsing through themselves following the path of most resistance. That's not the way matter behaves... even if the towers were made of toothpicks or butter, anything, they wouldn't collapse through themselves - they would topple one way or the other. And yet, you see this perfect symmetrical disintegration in both collapses, even in the South Tower, which started to tip over southward, but then just turned into powder seconds later. That's exactly what controlled demolition seeks to achieve in order to minimize damage to adjacent structures.

What type of explosives would you use (Thermite, FAE, or I have even heard of nuclear), the number and type of experts, how to do it undiscovered in an occupied building.

Thermite was the incendiary used that acted as a cutter charge which sliced through the support columns and made it possible for the building to collapse through itself with no resistance from the lower 90 floors. Without this step, the towers had no chance of collapsing. No nuclear material was used to fell the structures... that opinion/claim is absurd. I'm not sure if you're aware of this OMD, but did you know that molten metal was discovered flowing like lava under all 3 buildings for weeks and even months after the attacks? Do some research on thermite reactions and then compare your findings to what rescuers and firefighters reported seeing. Water couldn't even extinguish the heat and fires which is a characteristic of a thermite reaction.

Number of experts? I have no idea how many men it would take to do what they did. I think I've already answered your question above as to how to prepare the structures for demolition without being detected.

Old Man Dalton... have you looked at this site yet (www.ae911truth.org)? If so, what are your thoughts?

[Mark]

I can see some potential validity in motives for demolition you mentioned here Col. with the asbestos situation and insurance profits but there is still a big assumption that you are making which can't yet be substanciated which is that the towers were demolitioned with US govt /Bush administration involvement. I don't know how you can just make that assumption without some very substancial proof to back that accusation up here. Yet all I hear is that this was a false flag event. No one has come forward showing any definitive proof that this was a false flag event yet it is claimed to have been so here by you and others as though that was a no brainer. If in fact there was some internal shenanigans involved here why the automatic assumption that Bush and Co. were the planners and culprits?

[lundbaek]

I would not expect to find any evidence that President Bush was among the planners of 911, even if he was. But I doubt he was. Reason and logic tell me that every effort would be made to keep him out of the loop. But where Bush gets into trouble with me is in his pushing to limit the scope of any respectable congressional investigation of the 9/11 attack. This was probably not very apparent to most people, but after the TWA 800 and the OKC cover-ups, I was looking specifically for an honest investigation while never expecting there to be one.

I do not believe a group of Muslim terrorists could muster the talents to pull off these kinds of attacks, including the controlled demolition of major buildings. I believe it was planned and implemented from within government circles. The huge cover-up by various FedGov agencies, working in direct collusion with the White House, is the strongest evidence for government complicity in these attacks. However, I don’t believe that President Bush directed this. He is primarily a script reader. But as CinC of the military, he could have investigated the reasons USAF air defenses were held back, and why that one flight crashed in Pennsylvania, leaving so much evidence of a shoot down. I believe that 911 was a black operation of the globalist controllers of the US government, in conjunction with the al Qaeda front, which I believe the US still controls at the top. In turn, the al Qaeda leaders develop their own anti-American forces who do NOT know they are actually working to further a secret agenda of the Anglo-American establishment–that is kept from them. Terrorism and war have thus become instruments of conflict management, and political control.

[Oldemandalton]

[9/11 and global warming are very similar in one way... if you do some serious research and study into both of them, you find that they're both a giant fraud.]

Neither global warming nor the demolition conspiracy pass the smell test to me. Sorry.

[First, explain why these 4 buildings would be chosen…
I explained this in my other post above (why the towers were targeted).]

Col Flagg, I have asked The Question multiple times but I never get a complete answer. There were 4 planes not 2 on 9/11. You guys keep avoid looking at the whole forest. I’ll repeat The Question:

First time I asked The Question;
My next question is why bother with the demo in the first place. The terrorist already have a plane fully loaded with jet fuel going into 4 of the most important buildings we have. Won’t that be enough damage?

Second Time;
Wouldn’t the fire and the death it caused be good enough?

Third Time;
As I stated before, why go through all of the work of demoing the Twin Towers when you knew that there would be airliners flying into them. The Risk far outweighed the Result.
Result 1) burn down a large portion of the Towers resulting with the potential destruction and death of thousands. Don’t forget that they killed everyone on the four planes or were they empty planes as I have heard some theorist say? I am sure the terrorist weren’t sure how much damage would be caused but it would have the desired effect, terror. Without the Towers going down and every plane reaching its target you’d have this effect; Twin Towers burning with a thousand + dead and major structural damage, more than likely un-repairable and would have to be condemned anyway. The Pentagon damaged with death and destruction there. The Capital Building damaged or destroyed with hundreds of our government representatives killed. I would call that a very successful operation, carried out by 19 men with only box cutters!

Result 2) same thing as above only you have three evacuated (those who weren’t trapped) buildings collapsing to the ground. You would have to subtract from this benefit, the chance of being discovered during the planning, acquiring of assets (men and material), and execution of the operation. My math says, not worth it.


Forth Time;
So again I ask why bother with the demolition of the Twin Towers when even more destruction was planned?!

Why risk the discovery of your secret combination with the full destruction of the buildings when a partial one would suffice? The risk far outweighs the benefit!

Fifth Time;
I want to know in your own words the answer to my Question. Not a video or talk by someone making money or hyping some theory. Some even may have good intentions but I want YOUR reasoning behind the Why. Please glean from my above posts and, using logic NOT science, attempt to answer The Question. Why bother, knowing the goals of the terrorist, would the LDGs risk discovery to demo the Twin Towers?

Answers;
[OK, think about this one for a moment... if jet fuel (3/4 kerosene) and 45 minutes of fire is enough to bring down a 110 story building by completely destroying everything and bringing it down straight into its own footprint, why are professional demolition companies hired to lace a building with powerful explosives to bring it down, a task that can cost a LOT of money that takes weeks or months to plan and do, depending upon the size of the structure? Wouldn't it be a heckuva lot cheaper and easier to simply start a few fires on a few floors with kerosene, wait 45 minutes and voila?]

Jet fuel was the ignition source and part of the fuel for the fire. The contents of the building supplied the rest of the fuel.

[I explained this in my other post above (why the towers were targeted).]

The Towers only comprised ½ of the attack on 9/11. What about the other 2 planes?


[Here's a brief summary in case you missed it...

Like many buildings built in the 1970's, the twin towers were constructed with vast quantities of cancer-causing asbestos. The cost of removing the Twin Tower asbestos? A year's worth of revenues at a minimum; possibly as much as the value of the buildings themselves. The cost to disassemble the Twin Towers floor by floor would have run into the double-digit billions. In addition, the Port Authority was prohibited from demolishing the towers because the resulting asbestos dust would cover the entire city, which it did when they collapsed, resulting in many cancers with a confirmed link to the WTC dust.

Despite its questionable status, in January of 2001, Larry Silverstein made a $3.2 billion bid for the World Trade Center. On July 24, the Port Authority accepted the offer. Silverstein then took out an insurance policy that, understandably, covered terrorist attacks, which happened seven weeks later. To date, Silverstein has been awarded almost $5 billion from nine different insurance companies. What was an asbestos nightmare turned into a $1.8 billion profit within seven weeks.]

So the CIA/Mossad/Military Industrial Complex/LDGs risked discovery of their plot to save $$? That’s a great rick with low return on their investment if discovered.

All the other answers describe how the buildings were demo’ed or why the LDGs want to gain power. I got all that, but you guys are ignoring the two other planes. If there were only two planes I would buy your theory. It would make sense to rick discovery by causing more damage. The reality is THERE WERE 4 PLANES NOT 2! The plane that would have caused the most damage to our country was the one forced down into a Pennsylvania farm. I believe God had a hand in that to not allow it to reach its target, The Capital Building. Look at what was planed and expected to happen during 9/11. That’s what the LDGs were looking at not saving $ or causing buildings to collapse.


[Access to the elevator shafts is all it would take.]
[The core structures contained the building services such as elevators, and plumbing and cabling shafts. It would have been easy for people who controlled building security to allow the perpetrators to surreptitiously install devices in hidden portions of the cores.]

How do you get to the columns or are they unnecessary in a building to keep it standing?


[why are professional demolition companies hired to lace a building with powerful explosives to bring it down, a task that can cost a LOT of money that takes weeks or months to plan and do, depending upon the size of the structure?]

My point exactly. It would take lots of money people and time!


[I think this conversation isn't really working out...and my brain grows tired. I feel like I am back on a mission trying to prove the book of mormon is true! I think I answer your question...and then you ask the same question. I want the next subject!]

Yes it does remind me of Bible bashing. If only the JW would answer my question I could get them to see logic not hind site or armchair quarterbacking.

[My reference to Seantum was when the prophet Nephi told those that were accusing him...to go and look at the cloak of Seantum to find blood...as proof that he killed his brother. I was just likening it to our conversation...inviting you to go and look at the blood on the cloak of our government. To waste and wear out your life "exposing the hidden things of darkness".]

Thanks for the clarification Stephen. I do believe there is blood on our government’s garments/hands. Just not the 9/11 blood. For example look at the $8+ trillion we are printing to bail out everyone. That will cause hyper inflation, see Zimbabwe and the Weimar Republic.
This will cause more damage than 9/11 and it is being done by the government in front of our very eyes!

[The bottom line is that you and I were not in the planning meetings for these events to know exactly why they did what "they" did. We were not there to know who all was involved. We are left to pick up the puzzle pieces and make a picture.]

If you look at the Targets you can then, using logic, surmise what was planned and why.

[ Frankly...even if people confess to being the masterminds behind the attack...we more than likely can't believe them. My point of view is that the hijackers...whom I do believe actually hijacked the planes...were just pawns in the hand of the great and abominable church of the devil...not the masterminds. I believe that people in our government had foreknowledge of the events...and even facilitated them. It seems from what I understand that you believe that our governments cloak is pretty clean. Whatever. Let's just do as good ole Stephen Covey says...to "Agree to disagree".]

I agree with you here. There was foreknowledge by a few and they let it happen. I don’t know who knew but there being Secret Combinations is a surety.

[I believe that 911 was a black operation of the globalist controllers of the US government, in conjunction with the al Qaeda front, which I believe the US still controls at the top. In turn, the al Qaeda leaders develop their own anti-American forces who do NOT know they are actually working to further a secret agenda of the Anglo-American establishment–that is kept from them. Terrorism and war have thus become instruments of conflict management, and political control.]

I tend to agree with you here, lundbaek.
We do have common ground.

[truthseeds]

No one has come forward showing any definitive proof that this was a false flag event yet it is claimed to have been so here by you and others as though that was a no brainer. If in fact there was some internal shenanigans involved here why the automatic assumption that Bush and Co. were the planners and culprits?

Who really knows!? I agree with the Col. in that it could be a very dynamic attempt to bring us down. I don't think Bush/Cheney were the planners, but there is plenty of reason to suspect that they were complicit and at least had foreknowledge...
Qui bono? Who benefited? Who advanced their objectives from these attacks?
Was it not a perfect psychological pretext for wars?
Why did Bush and Cheney demand that they meet with the 9/11 panel together and not separate, as was requested?
Why did they refuse to testify under oath to the commission?
Why did Bush/Cheney stonewall an investigation for years and thus obstruct justice? (Bush and Cheney pressured the (freshly-anthraxed) leadership of the Congressional opposition into delaying the 9/11 investigation for months. The administration fought against the creation of an independent investigation for more than a year.)
Why the measly funding of the investigation compared to other events? (attempted to allocate just $3 mil compared to $50 mil for Columbia Space shuttle crash or $40 mil for Clinton investigation)
Why is there so many contradictions and gaping holes in the 911 commission report?
Why did Bush hand-pick the corrupt Kissinger to head the commission, then after too much heat and the 'conflicts of interest' he steps down, only to have Philip D. Zelikow step in as Executive Director/Chair? (this man had long-term and close ties with the administration)
Why did Chair and Vice Chair Kean and Hamilton charge that the 9/11 Commission was "set up to fail," and write that the commission was so frustrated?
Why would Commission member Max Cleland resign, condemning the entire exercise as a "scam" and "whitewash." ?
Why the failure to follow standard operating procedures?
Why the AWOL Chain of Command?
a. It is well documented that the officials topping the chain of command for response to a domestic attack - George W. Bush, Donald Rumsfeld, Richard Myers, Montague Winfield - all found reason to do something else during the actual attacks, other than assuming their duties as decision-makers.
b. Who was actually in charge? Dick Cheney, Richard Clarke, Norman Mineta and the 9/11 Commission directly conflict in their accounts of top-level response to the unfolding events, such that several (or all) of them must be lying.
Why was Bush allowed to read the “Pet Goat” story for nearly 20 minutes instead of reacting or being ushered to safety?
Why did they suppress warnings from US allies and intelligence such as Britain, France, Israel, Jordan, Morocco, Germany, Russia and other countries?
Why the thwarted FBI flight school investigations before 9/11 and at least five FBI investigations were squashed? Why the Obstruction of FBI Investigations prior to 9/11?
(A group of FBI officials in New York systematically suppressed field investigations of potential terrorists that might have uncovered the alleged hijackers - as the Moussaoui case once again showed. The stories of Sibel Edmonds, Robert Wright, Coleen Rowley and Harry Samit, the "Phoenix Memo," David Schippers, the 199i orders restricting investigations, the Bush administration''s order to back off the Bin Ladin family, the reaction to the "Bojinka" plot, and John O''Neil do not, when considered in sum, indicate mere incompetence, but high-level corruption and protection of criminal networks, including the network of the alleged 9/11 conspirators.)
Why was NORAD, the Air Force division in charge of air defense, was running multiple exercises, including live fly simulations, and radar “injects” (fake blips) that confused air traffic controllers and why were these exercises so similar to the attacks?
The multiple military wargames planned long in advance and held on the morning of September 11th included scenarios of a domestic air crisis, a plane crashing into a government building, and a large-scale emergency in New York. If this was only an incredible series of coincidences, why did the official investigations avoid the issue? There is evidence that the wargames created confusion as to whether the unfolding events were "real world or exercise." Did wargames serve as the cover for air defense sabotage, and/or the execution of an "inside job"?
What was Cheney doing in the command bunker running wargames, and according to Mineta's testimony, ordering, or not ordering the shoot-down of flight 93? (You know, the infamous the plane is 20 minutes out...10 minutes out...'do the orders still stand sir')
Why the strange timing the day prior the attacks of Donald Rumsfeld admitting that the Pentagon could not account for $2.3 trillion (not billion) in spending all the while the Pentagon’s Comptroller (in charge of the money), was Mr. Dov Zakheim, a member of the "Project for a New American Century."? (Before he was put in charge of the Pentagon’s budget, Mr. Zakheim was with a defense contractor that makes remote control guidance systems for planes.)
Why not release video of the Pentagon being struck? What is to hide?
How was it possible the Pentagon was hit 1 hour and 20 minutes after the attacks began? Why was there no response from Andrews Air Force Base, just 10 miles away and home to Air National Guard units charged with defending the skies above the nation''s capital? How did Hani Hanjour, a man who failed as a Cessna pilot on his first flight in a Boeing, execute a difficult aerobatic maneuver to strike the Pentagon? Why did the attack strike the just-renovated side, which was largely empty and opposite from the high command?
Why did certain prominent persons received warnings not to fly on the week or on the day of September 11th?
What about 'Able Danger', and the Surveillance of Alleged Hijackers?
a. The men identified as the 9/11 ringleaders were under surveillance for years beforehand, on the suspicion they were terrorists, by a variety of US and allied authorities - including the CIA, the US military''s "Able Danger" program, the German authorities, Israeli intelligence and others.
b. Two of the alleged ringleaders who were known to be under surveillance by the CIA also lived with an FBI asset in San Diego, but this is supposed to be yet another coincidence.
What about the insider trading and the coverup of those allegedly who used foreknowledge of the Sept. 11th events to profiteer on many markets internationally? Including but not limited to "put options" placed to short-sell the two airlines, WTC tenants, and WTC re-insurance companies in Chicago and London.
How did passports fall from the dust and debris nearly unscathed, yet at least 7 out of these 19 hijackers are still alive?
Did Osama Bin Ladin visit Dubai and meet a CIA agent in July 2001 (Le Figaro)? (the answer is yes)
Was he receiving dialysis in a Pakistani military hospital on the night of September 10, 2001 (yes, according to reports)?
Whether by Bush or Clinton: Why was Osama always allowed to escape? Why was his family allowed to leave the country that evening, while all other planes were grounded?
Why all the signs of coverup?
a. Airplane black boxes were found at Ground Zero, according to two first responders and an unnamed NTSB official, but they were "disappeared" and their existence is denied in The 9/11 Commission Report.
b. US officials consistently suppressed and destroyed evidence (like the tapes recorded by air traffic controllers who handled the New York flights).
c. Whistleblowers (like Sibel Edmonds and Anthony Shaffer) were intimidated, gagged and sanctioned, sending a clear signal to others who might be thinking about speaking out.
d. Officials who "failed" (like Myers and Eberhard, as well as Frasca, Maltbie and Bowman of the FBI) were given promotions.
Why did the White House deliberately pressure the EPA into giving false public assurances that the toxic air at Ground Zero was safe to breathe?
Why the rapid and illegal scrapping of the crime scene in an unprecedented manner without allowing any investigation or analysis?
Why does NIST not test for explosive evidence
Why the Record of Official Lies?
a. "No one could have imagined planes into buildings" - a transparent falsehood upheld repeatedly by Rice, Rumsfeld and Bush.
b. "Iraq was connected to 9/11" - The most "outrageous conspiracy theory" of all, with the most disastrous impact.
Why did Bush say he watched as the first plane hit the building?

Did you read any of that? Did you watch the documentaries? Have you studied the science? Oh, wait, we don't trust science, only our own logic.

Good luck to you.

Peaceout.

[Col. Flagg]

I would not expect to find any evidence that President Bush was among the planners of 911, even if he was. But I doubt he was.

Totally agree. I think he knew what was going to happen, but was not a part of the planning or operation itself. However, there is plenty of evidence that Dick Cheney was directly involved in the plan, considering his membership with PNAC and his stand down order.

Reason and logic tell me that every effort would be made to keep him out of the loop. But where Bush gets into trouble with me is in his pushing to limit the scope of any respectable congressional investigation of the 9/11 attack.

He was an accomplice to the greatest crime ever committed on U.S. soil... he has to try and thwart any real investigation.

This was probably not very apparent to most people, but after the TWA 800 and the OKC cover-ups, I was looking specifically for an honest investigation while never expecting there to be one.

TWA 800 was shot down with a missile launched from the water and OKC was more than McVeigh, just like 9/11 was much, much more than what we were told.

I do not believe a group of Muslim terrorists could muster the talents to pull off these kinds of attacks, including the controlled demolition of major buildings.

Not even close. There had to be people in key positions to help the 'terrorists' carry out the plan... they were used as patsies and IMO, when the CIA met with bin Laden in a Pakistan hospital while he was on dialysis in the summer of 2001, logic would dictate that he was told about how it was going to be allowed to happen, along with some extra 'help', and that some deals were reached.

I believe it was planned and implemented from within government circles.

Absolutely, not to mention intelligence circles as well and probably even within the military-industrial complex, considering the amount of thermite used, the sophistication of the demolitions and the amount of energy involved.

The huge cover-up by various FedGov agencies, working in direct collusion with the White House, is the strongest evidence for government complicity in these attacks.

Dozens of warnings went intentionally ignored and unheeded by the Bush administration, meaning complicity.

However, I don’t believe that President Bush directed this. He is primarily a script reader.

That's all he is.

But as CinC of the military, he could have investigated the reasons USAF air defenses were held back, and why that one flight crashed in Pennsylvania, leaving so much evidence of a shoot down.

No, he couldn't do that because he was an accomplice to the operation and accomplices can be indicted just like the perpetrators are when found guilty in a court of law.

I believe that 911 was a black operation of the globalist controllers of the US government, in conjunction with the al Qaeda front, which I believe the US still controls at the top.

Bingo!

In turn, the al Qaeda leaders develop their own anti-American forces who do NOT know they are actually working to further a secret agenda of the Anglo-American establishment–that is kept from them. Terrorism and war have thus become instruments of conflict management, and political control.

You're certainly informed Lundbaek!

[Stephen]

I admit I am annoyed at your consistent references to us being like JW. As if to say you have the true gospel...and we are the poor misled souls you need to save! I liken you to the person who tells me that the BOM is untrue...and will not read it! "It just doesn't make sense that God would call a farm boy and give him a golden book!!" You have been listening intently to the people that Amalickiah set upon the towers to teach you (a book of mormon reference)...and you can repeat their stories well...and yet you won't take the time to watch a documentary to understand our point of view. It is a waste of my time to try to reproduce that for you in type...when you can just watch it!

In a final attempt to answer your question...then I am out...I will say...Yes...there was risk in their mission...but I don't think that it is out of the question to think that they would also risk using bombs to take down the trade towers....and surely the evidence is that they did come down with bombs. Why would they do it. Again sweet person...to cause more blood and horror and do more to lead us to cause our own destruction.

The end.

[Col. Flagg]

No one has come forward showing any definitive proof that this was a false flag event yet it is claimed to have been so here by you and others as though that was a no brainer. If in fact there was some internal shenanigans involved here why the automatic assumption that Bush and Co. were the planners and culprits?

Who really knows!? I agree with the Col. in that it could be a very dynamic attempt to bring us down. I don't think Bush/Cheney were the planners, but there is plenty of reason to suspect that they were complicit and at least had foreknowledge...
Qui bono? Who benefited? Who advanced their objectives from these attacks?
Was it not a perfect psychological pretext for wars?
Why did Bush and Cheney demand that they meet with the 9/11 panel together and not separate, as was requested?
Why did they refuse to testify under oath to the commission?
Why did Bush/Cheney stonewall an investigation for years and thus obstruct justice? (Bush and Cheney pressured the (freshly-anthraxed) leadership of the Congressional opposition into delaying the 9/11 investigation for months. The administration fought against the creation of an independent investigation for more than a year.)
Why the measly funding of the investigation compared to other events? (attempted to allocate just $3 mil compared to $50 mil for Columbia Space shuttle crash or $40 mil for Clinton investigation)
Why is there so many contradictions and gaping holes in the 911 commission report?
Why did Bush hand-pick the corrupt Kissinger to head the commission, then after too much heat and the 'conflicts of interest' he steps down, only to have Philip D. Zelikow step in as Executive Director/Chair? (this man had long-term and close ties with the administration)
Why did Chair and Vice Chair Kean and Hamilton charge that the 9/11 Commission was "set up to fail," and write that the commission was so frustrated?
Why would Commission member Max Cleland resign, condemning the entire exercise as a "scam" and "whitewash." ?
Why the failure to follow standard operating procedures?
Why the AWOL Chain of Command?
a. It is well documented that the officials topping the chain of command for response to a domestic attack - George W. Bush, Donald Rumsfeld, Richard Myers, Montague Winfield - all found reason to do something else during the actual attacks, other than assuming their duties as decision-makers.
b. Who was actually in charge? Dick Cheney, Richard Clarke, Norman Mineta and the 9/11 Commission directly conflict in their accounts of top-level response to the unfolding events, such that several (or all) of them must be lying.
Why was Bush allowed to read the “Pet Goat” story for nearly 20 minutes instead of reacting or being ushered to safety?
Why did they suppress warnings from US allies and intelligence such as Britain, France, Israel, Jordan, Morocco, Germany, Russia and other countries?
Why the thwarted FBI flight school investigations before 9/11 and at least five FBI investigations were squashed? Why the Obstruction of FBI Investigations prior to 9/11?
(A group of FBI officials in New York systematically suppressed field investigations of potential terrorists that might have uncovered the alleged hijackers - as the Moussaoui case once again showed. The stories of Sibel Edmonds, Robert Wright, Coleen Rowley and Harry Samit, the "Phoenix Memo," David Schippers, the 199i orders restricting investigations, the Bush administration''s order to back off the Bin Ladin family, the reaction to the "Bojinka" plot, and John O''Neil do not, when considered in sum, indicate mere incompetence, but high-level corruption and protection of criminal networks, including the network of the alleged 9/11 conspirators.)
Why was NORAD, the Air Force division in charge of air defense, was running multiple exercises, including live fly simulations, and radar “injects” (fake blips) that confused air traffic controllers and why were these exercises so similar to the attacks?
The multiple military wargames planned long in advance and held on the morning of September 11th included scenarios of a domestic air crisis, a plane crashing into a government building, and a large-scale emergency in New York. If this was only an incredible series of coincidences, why did the official investigations avoid the issue? There is evidence that the wargames created confusion as to whether the unfolding events were "real world or exercise." Did wargames serve as the cover for air defense sabotage, and/or the execution of an "inside job"?
What was Cheney doing in the command bunker running wargames, and according to Mineta's testimony, ordering, or not ordering the shoot-down of flight 93? (You know, the infamous the plane is 20 minutes out...10 minutes out...'do the orders still stand sir')
Why the strange timing the day prior the attacks of Donald Rumsfeld admitting that the Pentagon could not account for $2.3 trillion (not billion) in spending all the while the Pentagon’s Comptroller (in charge of the money), was Mr. Dov Zakheim, a member of the "Project for a New American Century."? (Before he was put in charge of the Pentagon’s budget, Mr. Zakheim was with a defense contractor that makes remote control guidance systems for planes.)
Why not release video of the Pentagon being struck? What is to hide?
How was it possible the Pentagon was hit 1 hour and 20 minutes after the attacks began? Why was there no response from Andrews Air Force Base, just 10 miles away and home to Air National Guard units charged with defending the skies above the nation''s capital? How did Hani Hanjour, a man who failed as a Cessna pilot on his first flight in a Boeing, execute a difficult aerobatic maneuver to strike the Pentagon? Why did the attack strike the just-renovated side, which was largely empty and opposite from the high command?
Why did certain prominent persons received warnings not to fly on the week or on the day of September 11th?
What about 'Able Danger', and the Surveillance of Alleged Hijackers?
a. The men identified as the 9/11 ringleaders were under surveillance for years beforehand, on the suspicion they were terrorists, by a variety of US and allied authorities - including the CIA, the US military''s "Able Danger" program, the German authorities, Israeli intelligence and others.
b. Two of the alleged ringleaders who were known to be under surveillance by the CIA also lived with an FBI asset in San Diego, but this is supposed to be yet another coincidence.
What about the insider trading and the coverup of those allegedly who used foreknowledge of the Sept. 11th events to profiteer on many markets internationally? Including but not limited to "put options" placed to short-sell the two airlines, WTC tenants, and WTC re-insurance companies in Chicago and London.
How did passports fall from the dust and debris nearly unscathed, yet at least 7 out of these 19 hijackers are still alive?
Did Osama Bin Ladin visit Dubai and meet a CIA agent in July 2001 (Le Figaro)? (the answer is yes)
Was he receiving dialysis in a Pakistani military hospital on the night of September 10, 2001 (yes, according to reports)?
Whether by Bush or Clinton: Why was Osama always allowed to escape? Why was his family allowed to leave the country that evening, while all other planes were grounded?
Why all the signs of coverup?
a. Airplane black boxes were found at Ground Zero, according to two first responders and an unnamed NTSB official, but they were "disappeared" and their existence is denied in The 9/11 Commission Report.
b. US officials consistently suppressed and destroyed evidence (like the tapes recorded by air traffic controllers who handled the New York flights).
c. Whistleblowers (like Sibel Edmonds and Anthony Shaffer) were intimidated, gagged and sanctioned, sending a clear signal to others who might be thinking about speaking out.
d. Officials who "failed" (like Myers and Eberhard, as well as Frasca, Maltbie and Bowman of the FBI) were given promotions.
Why did the White House deliberately pressure the EPA into giving false public assurances that the toxic air at Ground Zero was safe to breathe?
Why the rapid and illegal scrapping of the crime scene in an unprecedented manner without allowing any investigation or analysis?
Why does NIST not test for explosive evidence
Why the Record of Official Lies?
a. "No one could have imagined planes into buildings" - a transparent falsehood upheld repeatedly by Rice, Rumsfeld and Bush.
b. "Iraq was connected to 9/11" - The most "outrageous conspiracy theory" of all, with the most disastrous impact.
Why did Bush say he watched as the first plane hit the building?

Did you read any of that? Did you watch the documentaries? Have you studied the science? Oh, wait, we don't trust science, only our own logic.

Good luck to you.

Peaceout.

Wow... go truth, go!

[Oldemandalton]

Answere a question with a question? Come on you guys, let's see how you answer The Question not the ones you want to answer but the one I ask.

[truthseeds]

Answere a question with a question? Come on you guys, let's see how you answer The Question not the ones you want to answer but the one I ask.

Wow. Stephen, Col. Flagg and myself have answered your questions and multiple time at that! I guess, to answer you plainly and simply, NO! The planes hitting the buildings and the subsequent fires and smoke/water damage and a few hundred deaths would not have been enough, IMO. The planes hitting the Pentagon, the just-renovated side, which was largely empty and opposite from the high command, and the conspiracy theory that the other plane was headed for the Capitol (maybe it would have hit just the side where no "important" people were in place, in an incredible maneuver that most commercial and military pilots would marvel at ) would, IMHO, not be enough to rally the American people to accomplish the goals which they have accomplished.

Do you understand that the ball of fire which we see upon impact is the moment where most of the jet-fuel burned off? Do you understand that the fires were not raging at all, thus the dark smoke? Do you realize that your BBQ grille should melt and fall apart, by the logic you are using? Do you realize that these buildings were built to sustain the impact of airliners such as these and in fact, the engineers said they could sustain the impact of multiple airliners? Do you realize that multiple steel-framed buildings have burned for hours upon hours and did not implode symmetrically into their own footprints?

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NO! The risk was not that great. These secret combination's have long risked being discovered. You seem to acknowledge the Federal Reserve is a corrupt arm of the SC's and they do that right out in plain sight. The bigger the lie...

... in the big lie there is always a certain force of credibility; because the broad masses of a nation are always more easily corrupted in the deeper strata of their emotional nature than consciously or voluntarily; and thus in the primitive simplicity of their minds they more readily fall victims to the big lie than the small lie, since they themselves often tell small lies in little matters but would be ashamed to resort to large-scale falsehoods. It would never come into their heads to fabricate colossal untruths, and they would not believe that others could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously. Even though the facts which prove this to be so may be brought clearly to their minds, they will still doubt and waver and will continue to think that there may be some other explanation. For the grossly impudent lie always leaves traces behind it, even after it has been nailed down, a fact which is known to all expert liars in this world and to all who conspire together in the art of lying.

—Adolf Hitler , Mein Kampf, vol. I, ch. X[1]

[Oldemandalton]

[Stephen, Col. Flagg and myself have answered your questions and multiple time at that!]

Truthseeds, you finally did it! Until this post most of you have answered your question, not the one I asked. Go back and look if you don’t believe me.

[ I guess, to answer you plainly and simply, NO! The planes hitting the buildings and the subsequent fires and smoke/water damage and a few hundred deaths would not have been enough, IMO. The planes hitting the Pentagon, the just-renovated side, which was largely empty and opposite from the high command, and the conspiracy theory that the other plane was headed for the Capitol (maybe it would have hit just the side where no "important" people were in place, in an incredible maneuver that most commercial and military pilots would marvel at ) would, IMHO, not be enough to rally the American people to accomplish the goals which they have accomplished.]

Good Job! FINALLY you get to my question after all this time! Woo Hoo. Was it that hard?

Of course the damage was not enough from the other 2 plans because; One, The pentagon was well built; construction chief, General Brehon Somervell required the structural design to accommodate floor loads of up to 150 pounds per square feet, which was done in case the building became a records storage facility at some point in the future, after World War II.[13] A minimal amount of steel was used in construction, which was in short supply during World War II. Instead, the Pentagon was built as a reinforced concrete structure, using 680,000 tons of sand, dredged from the Potomac River, and a lagoon was created beneath the Pentagon's river entrance. To minimize steel, concrete ramps were built rather than install elevators.[18][19] Indiana limestone was used for the building's facade. All 64 people on the airliner were killed as well as 125 people who were in the building. The impact of the plane severely damaged the structure of the building and caused its partial collapse. So the terrorist/CIA/Mossad/et al, picked the most weel known symbol of our military but didn’t take into account how strong it was.

And Two; the other plan did not reach its target. Lucky for us and those in the capital Building, if that was the target. I do believe that was the target and if it hit I would emagin that many of our Senators and Representatives would have died.

[Do you understand that the ball of fire which we see upon impact is the moment where most of the jet-fuel burned off? Do you understand that the fires were not raging at all, thus the dark smoke?]

So you are saying all of the furniture, carpet, wall covering, books, paper, with kerosene on top didn’t cause a raging fire? I guess all those firemen were wasting there time to go up and fight that “smoldering” fire and rescue those people. These guys were the heroes of 9/11. They went up there knowing that you have to put out the fire and rescue every one up there before the structure lost its strength.

[ Do you realize that your BBQ grille should melt and fall apart, by the logic you are using?]

NO ONE says that the steel melted. Yes, if there was a fire surrounding my BBQ for an hour, then it would very likely loose it’s strength and shape.

[Do you realize that these buildings were built to sustain the impact of airliners such as these and in fact, the engineers said they could sustain the impact of multiple airliners?]

They did a very good job because they did withstand the impact. It was the unfought fire that brought down the Towers.

[ Do you realize that multiple steel-framed buildings have burned for hours upon hours and did not implode symmetrically into their own footprints?]

Yes you are correct. Modern steel structures are designed to hold up in a fire. I have watched while the sprayed-on insulation was applied to the steel columns 2” thick usually. That would give it a 3-4 hour fire rating, long enough for the fire fighters to put out the fire. The difference here is that the plane’s impact and wreckage stripped the columns of that insulation, therefore exposing them to the heat. The steel columns lost strength.

[NO! The risk was not that great. These secret combination's have long risked being discovered. You seem to acknowledge the Federal Reserve is a corrupt arm of the SC's and they do that right out in plain sight. The bigger the lie...]

I guess we’ll just have to agree to disagree. Those 3 symbols of our nation being stuck simultaneously with the resulting death toll and destruction would have caused damage to our moral (which it did initially) and to our country. Remember it was the symbols of our Power they were after. Economic Power. Military Power. Democratic Power.

Please stay on topic guys. Tell me why. truthseed, you are on the right track. Thank You.

[Col. Flagg]

OMD, it is obvious you have done very little, if any research into 9/11. Until you do, please don't continue to bombard us with your straw man arguments and silly accusations that we aren't answering your questions when we've answered them multiple times.

[AussieOi]

I have a differing opinion on 9/11. It was, planed, funded and carried out by Al Queda, Bin Laden et al. I don’t think the US military, CIA, or Mossad were involved. I do believe that the “Latter Day Gadiantons” had a hand in it though. I am sure they knew something was going to happen, helped to fund it and helped the “patsies” to be successful in their endeavor. The LDGs are few and working way behind the scenes (deeper than even the CIA, Mossad, and US military) in order to keep their “secret combinations” secret. They use people, organizations and governments as unknowing dupes. The Gadiantons have unlimited money and power and use these as tools to reach their goals. Time is also a tool. They have been working for generations. Satan has been doing this for 6,000 years so he is very good at organizing and running secret combinations.

I know that some may disagree with me but I think that their (LDGs) hands on the tiller is very soft at the moment. Once they're in power though they will have a firm gripp and won't let go. Again, the LDGs are far removed from the action. Remember you want to move the cattle, not spook them. Otherwise you'll cause a stampede.

not cia/ USA? Cui Bono..... google it
satan 6000 years and the best he could come up with is some joker (created by the USA by the way) in a cave on dialysis who said he didnt do it. the greatest terrorist event and he didnt claim responsibility, just said it was a great thing and praise allah. yeah, right. satans henchmen, fundo ragheads in caves with diorrhea. LOL


why blow them up? CUI BONO? google: silverstein lease asbestos

plus its very symbolic. phallus, pentagram, psy-op.

[AussieOi]

Last Stake Priesthood Leadership Meeting our Stake President said that the Spirit touched him to advise us to keep our gas tanks at ¾ full. The Spirit moves.

only 3/4? what, not FULL? or 5/8ths.???

N.U.T.J.O.B

[pritchet1]

Why? "False Flag" to get us embroiled in Middle East issues and by focussing our attention elsewhere, weakening our economy and making hay for the "military-industrial complex" aka. "Committee of 300" to accelerate the new world government (and not the Saviors').

Just "Part of the Plan(tm)"...

[Oldemandalton]

[OMD, it is obvious you have done very little, if any research into 9/11. Until you do, please don't continue to bombard us with your straw man arguments and silly accusations that we aren't answering your questions when we've answered them multiple times. ]

It is obvious to me, Col. Flagg, that you make a cursory reading of my posts in the excitement to prove your theory. I have asked The Question Multiple times and in various ways of wording it, in order for some one to answer. I finally received a response to that Question from truthseeker after 3 pages of posts!

You are so immersed in the 9/11 conspiracy that you could not even understand my Question and what I was asking. My paradigm is so far removed from your view point that you don’t get where I am coming from. My Question “does not compute”, therefore you answer the question you think I am asking. I can see how you believe what you believe. You on the other hand are so far from where I stand it is inconceivable that I don’t buy in to the theory. If you haven’t understood my view point from all my posts I assume you never will. Maybe if you go back over the last few posts from Mark and I you may get our view point. That’s if you take the time to read them.

Your Fellow Brother in the Gospel and Warrior Against the Latter Day Gadiantons
Old Man

[Oldemandalton]

[satan 6000 years and the best he could come up with is some joker (created by the USA by the way) in a cave on dialysis who said he didnt do it. the greatest terrorist event and he didnt claim responsibility, just said it was a great thing and praise allah. yeah, right. satans henchmen, fundo ragheads in caves with diorrhea. LOL]

Lets see, Bin Laden and Al Queda planed and carried out;

• 1993 (Feb.): Bombing of World Trade Center (WTC); 6 killed.
• 1993 (Oct.): Killing of U.S. soldiers in Somalia.
• 1996 (June): Truck bombing at Khobar Towers barracks in Dhahran, Saudi Arabia, killed 19 Americans.
• 1998 (Aug.): Bombing of U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania; 224 killed, including 12 Americans.
• 1999 (Dec.): Plot to bomb millennium celebrations in Seattle foiled when customs agents arrest an Algerian smuggling explosives into the U.S.
• 2000 (Oct.): Bombing of the USS Cole in port in Yemen; 17 U.S. sailors killed.
• 2001 (Sept.): Destruction of WTC; attack on Pentagon. Total dead 2,992.
• 2001 (Dec.): Man tried to denote shoe bomb on flight from Paris to Miami.
• 2002 (April): Explosion at historic synagogue in Tunisia left 21 dead, including 11 German tourists.
• 2002 (May): Car exploded outside hotel in Karachi, Pakistan, killing 14, including 11 French citizens.
• 2002 (June): Bomb exploded outside American consulate in Karachi, Pakistan, killing 12.
• 2002 (Oct.): Boat crashed into oil tanker off Yemen coast, killing 1.
• 2002 (Oct.): Nightclub bombings in Bali, Indonesia, killed 202, mostly Australian citizens.
• 2002 (Nov.): Suicide attack on a hotel in Mombasa, Kenya, killed 16.
• 2003 (May): Suicide bombers killed 34, including 8 Americans, at housing compounds for Westerners in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia.
• 2003 (May): 4 bombs killed 33 people targeting Jewish, Spanish, and Belgian sites in Casablanca, Morocco.
• 2003 (Aug.): Suicide car-bomb killed 12, injured 150 at Marriott Hotel in Jakarta, Indonesia.
• 2003 (Nov.): Explosions rocked a Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, housing compound, killing 17.
• 2003 (Nov.): Suicide car-bombers simultaneously attacked 2 synagogues in Istanbul, Turkey, killing 25 and injuring hundreds.
• 2003 (Nov.): Truck bombs detonated at London bank and British consulate in Istanbul, Turkey, killing 26.
• 2004 (March): 10 bombs on 4 trains exploded almost simultaneously during the morning rush hour in Madrid, Spain, killing 191 and injuring more than 1,500.
• 2004 (May): Terrorists attacked Saudi oil company offices in Khobar, Saudi Arabia, killing 22.
• 2004 (June): Terrorists kidnapped and executed American Paul Johnson, Jr., in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia.
• 2004 (Sept.): Car bomb outside the Australian embassy in Jakarta, Indonesia, killed 9.
• 2004 (Dec.): Terrorists entered the U.S. Consulate in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia, killing 9 (including 4 attackers).
• 2005 (July): Bombs exploded on 3 trains and a bus in London, England, killing 52.
• 2005 (Oct.): 22 killed by 3 suicide bombs in Bali, Indonesia.
• 2005 (Nov.): 57 killed at 3 American hotels in Amman, Jordan.
• 2006 (Jan.): Two suicide bombers carrying police badges blow themselves up near a celebration at the Police Academy in Baghdad, killing nearly 20 police officers. Al-Qaeda in Iraq takes responsibility.
• 2006 (Aug.): Police arrest 24 British-born Muslims, most of whom have ties to Pakistan, who had allegedly plotted to blow up as many as 10 planes using liquid explosives. Officials say details of the plan were similar to other schemes devised by al-Qaeda.
• 2007 (April): Suicide bombers attack a government building in Algeria's capital, Algiers, killing 35 and wounding hundreds more. Al-Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb claims responsibility.
• 2007 (April): Eight people, including two Iraqi legislators, die when a suicide bomber strikes inside the Parliament building in Baghdad. An organization that includes al-Qaeda in Mesopotamia claims responsibility. In another attack, the Sarafiya Bridge that spans the Tigris River is destroyed.
• 2007 (June): British police find car bombs in two vehicles in London. The attackers reportedly tried to detonate the bombs using cell phones but failed. Government officials say al-Qaeda is linked to the attempted attack. The following day, an SUV carrying bombs bursts into flames after it slams into an entrance to Glasgow Airport. Officials say the attacks are connected.
• 2007 (December): As many as 60 people are killed in two suicide attacks near United Nations offices and government buildings in Algiers, Algeria. The bombings occur within minutes of each other. Al-Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb, formerly called the Salafist Group for Preaching, claims responsibility. It's the worst attack in the Algeria in more than 10 years.
• 2008 (January): In the worst attack in Iraq in months, a suicide bomber kills 30 people at a home where mourners were paying their respects to the family of a man killed in a car bomb. The Iraqi military blames the attack on al-Qaeda in Iraq.
• 2008 (February): Nearly 100 people die when two women suicide bombers, who are believed to be mentally impaired, attack crowded pet markets in eastern Baghdad. The U.S. military says al-Qaeda in Iraq has been recruiting female patients at psychiatric hospitals to become suicide bombers.
• 2008 (April): A suicide bomber attacks the funeral for two nephews of a prominent Sunni tribal leader, Sheik Kareem Kamil al-Azawi, killing 30 people in Iraq's Diyala Province.
• 2008 (April): A suicide car bomber kills 40 people in Baquba, the capital of Diyala Province in Iraq.
• 2008 (April): Thirty-five people die and 62 are injured when a woman detonates explosives that she was carrying under her dress in a busy shopping district in Iraq’s Diyala Province.
• 2008 (May): At least 12 worshipers are killed and 44 more injured when a bomb explodes in the Bin Salman mosque near Sana, Yemen.
• 2008 (May): An al-Qaeda suicide bomber detonates explosives in Hit, a city in the Anbar Province of Iraq, killing six policemen and four civilians, and injuring 12 other people.
• 2008 (June): A female suicide bomber kills 15 and wounds 40 others, including seven Iraqi policemen, near a courthouse in Baquba, Iraq.
• 2008 (June): A suicide bomber kills at least 20 people at a meeting between sheiks and Americans in Karmah, a town west of Baghdad.
• 2008 (August): About two dozens worshippers are killed in three separate attacks as they make their way toward Karbala to celebrate the birthday of 9th-century imam Muhammad al-Mahdi. Iraqi officials blame al-Qaeda in Iraq for the attacks.
• 2008 (August): A bomb left on the street explodes and tears through a bus carrying Lebanese troops, killing 15 people, nine of them soldiers. No one claims responsibility for the attack, but in 2007, the army fought an al-Qaeda linked Islamist group in Tripoli.
• 2008 (August): At least 43 people are killed when a suicide bomber drives an explosives-laden car into a police academy in Issers, a town in northern Algeria.
• 2008 (August): Two car bombs explode at a military command and a hotel in Bouira, killing a dozen people. No group takes responsibility for either attack, Algerian officials said they suspect al-Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb is behind the bombings.
• 2008 (September): In its first acknowledged ground attack inside Pakistan, U.S. commandos raid a village that is home to al-Qaeda militants in the tribal region near the border with Afghanistan. The number of casualties is unclear.
• 2008 (September): A car bomb and a rocket strike the U.S. embassy in Yemen as staff arrived to work, killing 16 people, including 4 civilians. At least 25 suspected al-Qaeda militants are arrested for the attack.
• 2008 (November): at least 28 people die and over 60 more are injured when three bombs explode minutes apart in Baghdad, Iraq. Officials suspect the explosions are linked to al-Qaeda.

Pretty good for a cave dwelling, joker on dialysis suffer from diarrhea.LOL

Remember 9/11 was perpetrated by 19 men with only box cutters!

[Oldemandalton]

[only 3/4? what, not FULL? or 5/8ths.???

N.U.T.J.O.B]

Come on Aussie Oi, feel the Love.

[Oldemandalton]

[Why? "False Flag" to get us embroiled in Middle East issues and by focussing our attention elsewhere, weakening our economy and making hay for the "military-industrial complex" aka. "Committee of 300" to accelerate the new world government (and not the Saviors').

Just "Part of the Plan(tm)"...]

I believe is was not necessary to plant charges in the Twin Towers to do this. The plan was to fly planes into the Twin Towers, Pentagon and the Capital Building. Wouldn’t that alone be a “false flag” event and cause what the “Committee of 300” wanted?

[truthseeds]

Lets see, Bin Laden and Al Queda planed and carried out;

You mean the Al Qaeda that Zbigniew Brzezinski is known as the creator of? He participated in Jimmy Carter’s plan for the financial, training and equipment support of the Afghan Mojahedins. He has himself confessed that he was trying to get the Russians into a Vietnam like conflict and has said also that ending the Soviet Empire was far more important than creating Islamic Jihadists. Brzezinski’s Interview makes clear that the Muslim Terrorist apparatus was created by US Intelligence as a Geopolitical Weapon. Look...see...do some research: http://www.emperors-clothes.com/interviews/brz.htm

• 1993 (Feb.): Bombing of World Trade Center (WTC); 6 killed.

Did you know that the FBI facilitated this attack? They hired retired Egyptian Emad Salem and paid him.
http://www.fff.org/freedom/fd0408c.asp

Remember 9/11 was perpetrated by 19 men with only box cutters!

That is ludicrous! You are either a terrible cointelpro agent, or very much in denial. But I understand, I was in denial for 6 years.

Watch out for the bogeyman!!!

[Oldemandalton]

[You mean the Al Qaeda that Zbigniew Brzezinski is known as the creator of? He participated in Jimmy Carter’s plan for the financial, training and equipment support of the Afghan Mojahedins. He has himself confessed that he was trying to get the Russians into a Vietnam like conflict and has said also that ending the Soviet Empire was far more important than creating Islamic Jihadists. Brzezinski’s Interview makes clear that the Muslim Terrorist apparatus was created by US Intelligence as a Geopolitical Weapon. Look...see...do some research:]

Yes the vary same. Just because I don’t believe that there were explosives planted in the buildings does not mean that I believed that Al Qaeda worked alone. How many times did the US have an opportunity to get Bin Laden and never succeeded, including Tora Bora! Some one was protecting him.

[Remember 9/11 was perpetrated by 19 men with only box cutters!]
[That is ludicrous! You are either a terrible cointelpro agent, or very much in denial. But I understand, I was in denial for 6 years.]

Yes, I work for the CIA and am an agent provocateur. Bwaa Ha Ha! (Just kidding by the way.)

Sooo, it wasn’t 19 Muslim Extremists who hijacked the planes and rammed them into the buildings?

It’s not that I am in denial truthseeds. My view point is at a point distant from yours. I am a thinker not an intellectual with doctorate degrees. I use logic. It is logical to damage the US by flying planes into four buildings. The operation was so simple it only took 19 men armed with box cutters and trained to fly airliners into buildings. It is logical they had help behind the scenes to facilitate the mission. The targets chosen is logical to me. The simplicity of the mission is logical. It is logical to believe that there was a conspiracy behind 9/11. I got all that. What is illogical is to believe that they wanted to risk exposure and discovery by planting explosives. If I was running the 9/11 attack I would tell them the damages those 4 planes COULD cause was good enough for our purposes. Can any of you guys see my point or are you so far down the road that it’s out of view?

[pritchet1]

You need to go do the research done by the guy who no longer is a professor at BYU (Dr. Steven Jones). He has the support of the chemical engineers who agree with his assessments of the thermite used to take down the buildings.

The planes used Kerosine as fuel. Kerosine doesn't get hot enough to melt I-Beams or create lakes of molten metal that burned for weeks under the buildings. The added weight of the planes would not have been enough to cause a collapse.

The edited videos had the explosions at the base of the buildings removed and the witnesses dialogues also removed. The crime scene materials were removed before the investigation could commence. We were made to feel better by having a war ship made from the evidence.

The planes did not carry thermite in them. The molten metals under the buildings were not enough to destroy the evidence. Bro. Jones was character-assassinated in the press anyway. His research continues.

Building 7 had no planes hit it and the bodies inside were of individuals with bullets in their bodies. So the guys with the box cutters didn't do that work.

The first time the towers were bombed, the kevlar-coated fiber optics stayed intact. I saw the pictures taken by the company that made the fiber.

The folks were sacrificed, just like Pearl Harbor, to get us involved militarily to take our minds off what is really going on in the "other" Washington. Bait and Switch tactics.

I was warned to come home shortly before 9/11. The person who warned me, "disappeared" in a plane between Turkey and Iraq afterwards. Her apartment was paid for by unknowns in WA Dc for well over a year after she vanished. There was no plane wreckage found. No black box. Nothing. She said that if she was found out she was the source, she would disappear. The threat became fact. She was a non-citizen working for the NSA. They knew. It was planned.

I know.

The "terrorists" are just like Cleon Skousen said years ago - pawns in the bigger picture set up by those who play both sides against the middle. Bad guys have to be created to take our minds off the real game. Both sides are funded by the same people.

I just wish God would step in and clean up the mess for us NOW! I think we, as a country, are "ripe for destruction", unless we as a people repent.

Being compelled to be humble...

References:

http://peswiki.com/index.php/Site:LRP:T ... l_Paradigm
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Site:LRP:T ... _Anomalies

[Col. Flagg]

You need to go do the research done by the guy who no longer is a professor at BYU (Dr. Steven Jones). He has the support of the chemical engineers who agree with his assessments of the thermite used to take down the buildings.

The planes used Kerosine as fuel. Kerosine doesn't get hot enough to melt I-Beams or create lakes of molten metal that burned for weeks under the buildings. The added weight of the planes would not have been enough to cause a collapse.

The edited videos had the explosions at the base of the buildings removed and the witnesses dialogues also removed. The crime scene materials were removed before the investigation could commence. We were made to feel better by having a war ship made from the evidence.

The planes did not carry thermite in them. The molten metals under the buildings were not enough to destroy the evidence. Bro. Jones was character-assassinated in the press anyway. His research continues.

Building 7 had no planes hit it and the bodies inside were of individuals with bullets in their bodies. So the guys with the box cutters didn't do that work.

The first time the towers were bombed, the kevlar-coated fiber optics stayed intact. I saw the pictures taken by the company that made the fiber.

The folks were sacrificed, just like Pearl Harbor, to get us involved militarily to take our minds off what is really going on in the "other" Washington. Bait and Switch tactics.

I was warned to come home shortly before 9/11. The person who warned me, "disappeared" in a plane between Turkey and Iraq afterwards. Her apartment was paid for by unknowns in WA Dc for well over a year after she vanished. There was no plane wreckage found. No black box. Nothing. She said that if she was found out she was the source, she would disappear. The threat became fact. She was a non-citizen working for the NSA. They knew. It was planned.

I know.

The "terrorists" are just like Cleon Skousen said years ago - pawns in the bigger picture set up by those who play both sides against the middle. Bad guys have to be created to take our minds off the real game. Both sides are funded by the same people.

I just wish God would step in and clean up the mess for us NOW! I think we, as a country, are "ripe for destruction", unless we as a people repent.

Being compelled to be humble...

References:

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http://peswiki.com/index.php/Site:LRP:T ... _Anomalies

Great post pritchet.

[Oldemandalton]

[The planes used Kerosine as fuel. Kerosine doesn't get hot enough to melt I-Beams]

Steel doesn’t need to melt to loose its strength.

[create lakes of molten metal that burned for weeks under the buildings]

Surprise I actually did some research. Don’t get your hopes up though. Check this out.

http://www.911myths.com/html/wtc_molten_steel.html


[The added weight of the planes would not have been enough to cause a collapse.]

I agree. The Towers were designed to withstand the impact and weight of the planes. The planes being shredded by the columns, walls, shafts, etc, stripped the fire proofing from the steel beams and columns and exposed the steel to the fire. Steel will loose it’s strength long before melting.

[The edited videos had the explosions at the base of the buildings removed and the witnesses dialogues also removed. The crime scene materials were removed before the investigation could commence. We were made to feel better by having a war ship made from the evidence.]

Did you see this video?

So you don’t think that if 4 planes crashing into the Twin Towers, Pentagon, and Capital would not be enough to launch the “ship of War”. Actually I do believe that it would have been enough. I know that my friends and I would be outraged by the death and destruction all 4 planes could have caused, without the 3 buildings going down. Think about it.

[The first time the towers were bombed, the kevlar-coated fiber optics stayed intact. I saw the pictures taken by the company that made the fiber.]

Understandable from a truck bomb in the underground parking garage.

[The folks were sacrificed, just like Pearl Harbor, to get us involved militarily to take our minds off what is really going on in the "other" Washington. Bait and Switch tactics.]

I agree with this in principle.

[I was warned to come home shortly before 9/11. The person who warned me, "disappeared" in a plane between Turkey and Iraq afterwards. Her apartment was paid for by unknowns in WA Dc for well over a year after she vanished. There was no plane wreckage found. No black box. Nothing. She said that if she was found out she was the source, she would disappear. The threat became fact. She was a non-citizen working for the NSA. They knew. It was planned.]

Interesting Robert. Tell me more. You were warned to come home from where?

[The "terrorists" are just like Cleon Skousen said years ago - pawns in the bigger picture set up by those who play both sides against the middle. Bad guys have to be created to take our minds off the real game. Both sides are funded by the same people.]

No argument with you here, Robert.

[I just wish God would step in and clean up the mess for us NOW! I think we, as a country, are "ripe for destruction", unless we as a people repent.

Being compelled to be humble...]

Robert, we have more in common than you think. I too wish God would clean up the mess but He can’t. We have free agency and must do it ourselves. I have learned in my life that if we don’t keep His commandments then we receive no blessing/protection from God. The same goes for a nation. We are nearing the time when we are too wicked to receive protection and blessings from God. I believe that God helped Flight 93 not to reach its target. Would He do that again today.