If you were a terrorist...

[caddis]

Oldemandalton


NIST has stated the "pancake theory" was not plausible.

Let's look at the pancake theory for a second. Let's say the pancake theory actually did happen as you believe, why then did building 7 collapse when it wasn't hit by a plane at all? No jet fuel to "weaken" the core columns and no damage from plane impact either.

What's your explanation for building 7 falling in its foot print at free fall speeds?

[Oldemandalton]

[What's your explanation for building 7 falling in its foot print at free fall speeds?]

"NIST researchers now support the working hypothesis that WTC 7 was far more compromised by falling debris than the FEMA report indicated. "The most important thing we found was that there was, in fact, physical damage to the south face of building 7," NIST's Sunder tells PM. "On about a third of the face to the center and to the bottom — approximately 10 stories — about 25 percent of the depth of the building was scooped out." NIST also discovered previously undocumented damage to WTC 7's upper stories and its southwest corner.

NIST investigators believe a combination of intense fire and severe structural damage contributed to the collapse, though assigning the exact proportion requires more research. But NIST's analysis suggests the fall of WTC 7 was an example of "progressive collapse," a process in which the failure of parts of a structure ultimately creates strains that cause the entire building to come down. Videos of the fall of WTC 7 show cracks, or "kinks," in the building's facade just before the two penthouses disappeared into the structure, one after the other. The entire building fell in on itself, with the slumping east side of the structure pulling down the west side in a diagonal collapse.

According to NIST, there was one primary reason for the building's failure: In an unusual design, the columns near the visible kinks were carrying exceptionally large loads, roughly 2000 sq. ft. of floor area for each floor. "What our preliminary analysis has shown is that if you take out just one column on one of the lower floors," Sunder notes, "it could cause a vertical progression of collapse so that the entire section comes down."

There are two other possible contributing factors still under investigation: First, trusses on the fifth and seventh floors were designed to transfer loads from one set of columns to another. With columns on the south face apparently damaged, high stresses would likely have been communicated to columns on the building's other faces, thereby exceeding their load-bearing capacities.

Second, a fifth-floor fire burned for up to 7 hours. "There was no firefighting in WTC 7," Sunder says. Investigators believe the fire was fed by tanks of diesel fuel that many tenants used to run emergency generators. Most tanks throughout the building were fairly small, but a generator on the fifth floor was connected to a large tank in the basement via a pressurized line. Says Sunder: "Our current working hypothesis is that this pressurized line was supplying fuel [to the fire] for a long period of time."

WTC 7 might have withstood the physical damage it received, or the fire that burned for hours, but those combined factors — along with the building's unusual construction — were enough to set off the chain-reaction collapse." Popular Mechanics

I realize that some of you believe that the Twin Towers were brought down by a controlled explosion, caddis. Personally I don't think that it was necessary even to take the risk of discovery. Wouldn’t the fire and the death it caused be good enough? This reminds me of Bible bashing, you get nowhere. Let's agree to disagree, caddis I am a lost cause.

[Oldemandalton]

[I typed up a nice...thoughtful response...and then went to send it and the computer froze!! Lame! Mind you...it was really good...or at least I think so. Dang. My brain is spent to try to reproduce it.]

I cheat Stephen, I write on a Microsoft Word doc and then copy and paste. Thats wy my speling is so goood.

[truthseeds]

Hi Oldeman. I am probably wasting my time, but I'll give it a go. Oldemandalton, did you see that NIST has acknowledged that WTC7 fell at freefall speed? That means that both NIST 'working hypothesis' are bunk. Did you know that the Popular Mechanics has been utterly debunked? There is a thread on this forum regarding both of these topics.

I was in construction for a number of years also, and then went to school for architecture and have enjoyed that for 14 years now. I work on steel-framed high-rises, like that of the Wells Fargo Center and the Key Bank Tower in downtown SLC. I bought the original conspiracy theory too, without doing any research, until last year. That's when I started studying the science of the matter, after seeing that the evidence didn't add up.

Imagine the game Jenga, if you will for a moment. You know the game, blocks of wood stacked up upon each other forming a tower and each player pulls a piece out one at a time until the tower falls, thus the game is over and the loser is pronounced. So, when the tower is finally weakened, it falls in the direction of weakness, where it has received damage, if you will. It doesn't fall through itself, with no resistance and into its own footprint at the rate of gravity (g), leaving molten steel flowing below it for weeks (with thermate in the dust!). It topples over (usually off the table ).

Collapsing buildings fall at (g), whether from internal collapse or induced collapse. Small office fires don't drop buildings like this at the rate of gravity with NO resistance...3 buildings don't defy the laws of physics and become the first 3 steel-framed high-rises to implode in on themselves due to fire...and on the same day!

[Oldemandalton]

I feel like a lone missionary who wondered into a Jehovah Witness Convention.

I know you guys are well meaning and all but no one has answered the ultimate question, WHY. I can see all of your arguments. There are tons of scientists, engineers and, yes, Thinkers on both sides of the issue. You all will go at it till The 2nd Coming and neither side will be convinced. At least we’ll know the truth then.

Look at the other “government Conspiracies” I mentioned before, JFK, Moon Landing, and UFOs. They have their science too, we chose whom to believe because of the overlying question, WHY. JFK was killed by madman, the mob or the LDG’s retribution. Did we have the technology, know how and skill to actually make it to the Moon or did we fake it to impress the world? Does the US have UFOs that crashed at Roswell and gleaning technology from them at Area 51 or not?

As I stated before, why go through all of the work of demoing the Twin Towers when you knew that there would be airliners flying into them. The Risk far outweighed the Result.
Result 1) burn down a large portion of the Towers resulting with the potential destruction and death of thousands. Don’t forget that they killed everyone on the four planes or were they empty planes as I have heard some theorist say? I am sure the terrorist weren’t sure how much damage would be caused but it would have the desired effect, terror. Without the Towers going down and every plane reaching its target you’d have this effect; Twin Towers burning with a thousand + dead and major structural damage, more than likely un-repairable and would have to be condemned anyway. The Pentagon damaged with death and destruction there. The Capital Building damaged or destroyed with hundreds of our government representatives killed. I would call that a very successful operation, carried out by 19 men with only box cutters!

Result 2) same thing as above only you have three evacuated (those who weren’t trapped) buildings collapsing to the ground. You would have to subtract from this benefit, the chance of being discovered during the planning, acquiring of assets (men and material), and execution of the operation. My math says, not worth it.

Look at the whole forest not just one tree. Let’s assume Result 1 occurred. What could the Gadiantons do with a scenario where 1/3 of the US government is gone, the Legislative Branch? Think about that one. What would a secrete combination do with only the Presidency and Judicial Branch? That was their goal NOT bringing down 3 towers!

[Stephen]

"Why", seems to be an easy thing to answer.

It is clearly evident from the book of mormon that satan would have his followers control government. This is done through secret combinations. When he has his cronies in power...he can deny them of their privileges of worship...and even work to destroy the church of God.

The problem with getting his kings to rule with power supreme in the US is all of those annoying checks and balances that gaurantee various freedoms. People would not give up those freedoms unless they had a pressing need.

History has shown the rise of many a dictator or king who either made events happen (there is a lot of evidence that the reichstag fire was caused by Hitler for example)...or they ride the wave of hard times to come to the people as a savior...who will help them to rebuild and fight an enemy who is wicked and bloodthirsty. This person or people make promises of safety in return for their freedom...but they don't seem to give it up after they get it.

Our people have largely cheered the dissolution of the checks and balances to give to the president...and those that control the government...seen and unseen...unconstitutional power so that we can be "safe". "Git' er done!!" the people cheer! "We can't let the president have his hands tied by having to go to congress"..."They need the power to find the enemy no matter what the cost!.....wiretapping...torture...military tribunals...loss of habeous corpus...etc...etc..all are necessary to get those evil doers". The patriot act is an abomination...as are a host of other legislation that has gone through. The strings that bind gulliver down are holding us down now....and are increasing their stranglehold daily. As J. Reuben Clark has said about our losing these constitutional freedoms..."Only blood will get them back".

We as LDS people believe in secret combinations...not just historically...but now. Secret combinations that don't care whom they have to kill in their lust for power...and desire to reign with blood and horror. It is beyond the pale...a harder than hard pill to swallow to believe that such an event could have been an "inside job". When I first heard it I thought the friend of mine who told me had lost his mind. Then I took the time to actually look at the evidence. The MOUNTAIN of evidence....and I swallowed that pill and have come to know the "enemies of Christ" in the BOM more fully...and to bring to light the "hidden things of darkness".

Have you checked out any of the documentaries on the topic? Loose change seems to be the most popular...

http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=l ... 0cut&src=3

A person who is not intellectually dishonest...could not...I repeat...COULD NOT...watch that video and not say "There was something fishy going on"...by the end. I don't expect someone to buy into every bit of info...but there is way too much evidence to refute it all.

I agree...popular mechanics deal got BLOWN out of the water. The author of that book went on a radio talkshow and could not answer the simplest of questions. He was made to look absolutely ridiculous.

I don't expect everyone to believe that 9/11 was at least in some way an inside job in this lifetime....but I believe firmly that the day will come...when the wickedness of men is shouted from the housetops...there will be a multitude of people that will see that they had been deceived...and will find that the very things they had supported were in fact destroying America and lending aid to the devil.

[truthseeds]

Well said Stephen. Another well done high quality documentary which features Dr. Jones, Richard Gage AIA, etc, is called Zero:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 2F11&hl=en
This is the one that played on Russian TV. One of the more recent documentaries on 911 facts that I think is highly effective at presenting the evidence.

As for why demolish the buildings in such a horrific manner. Consider how that massive destruction is forever etched in your mind...the minds, hearts and souls of most Americans and citizens of the world who were alive to witness that awful day. And consider the PNAC documents. Some of The SC/GR's, the cabal of war hawks advising the White House, secretly planned a 'transformation' of defense policy years ago, calling for war against Iraq and huge increases in military spending. The resulting PNAC documents clearly state that a 'catalyzing event — like a new Pearl Harbor'—was seen as necessary to bring this about. The scenarios Oldemandalton lays out wouldn't have accomplished this...wouldn't have justified, in the minds of most Americans, the wars, the Patriot Act, the torture, the Military Commissions Act, The John Warner Defense Authorization act, loss of posse comitatus, loss of habeas corpus, loss of freedoms, wiretapping, etc.

WTC7 contained the highly sensitive tenants like:

Floors 46-47 mechanical floors
28-45 Salomon Smith Barney (SSB)
26-27 Standard Chartered Bank
25 Inland Revenue Service (IRS)
25 Department of Defense (DOD)
25 Central Intelligence Agency (CIA)
24 Inland Revenue Service (IRS)
23 Office of Emergency Management (OEM)
22 Federal Home Loan Bank of New York
21 First State Management Group
19-21 ITT Hartford Insurance Group
19 National Association of Insurance Commissioners (NAIC)
18 Equal Opportunity Commission (EEOC)
14-17 Vacant
13 Provident Financial Management
11-13 Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC, think ENRON)
9-10 US Secret Service
7-8 American Express Bank International
7 OEM generators and day tank
1-6 Con Edison substation, mechanical floors, lobby and conference areas. Also the Office of Emergency Management Command Center was on the 23rd floor of WTC 7.

Not to mention Larry Silverstein's multi-billion dollar insurance profits.

UFO's, moon landings, JFK have little or no similarities to the 9/11 false flag event. These are strawmen in this conversation as they do not demonstrate any plausible scientific evidence like the thermate in the dust, defiance of the laws of nature/physics. Let us talk about similar documented historical staged false flag events, like that of the aforementioned pretext for war ~
Reichstag fire http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICL ... hstag.html
Operation Northwoods http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods,
the Gulf of Tonkin incident http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_of_Tonkin_Incident
Operation Ajax http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Ajax
...

While looking at the whole forest, sometimes it helps to stand back a ways...get a better view.

[AussieOi]

So I'm curious... if you were the leader of a big terrorist organization and financing was no problem, how would you attempt to bring the U.S. down? Personally... I'd go after the power grid. Without electricity, everything stops and we go back 256 years!

Sorry for the nature of the post... I'm just curious.

the answer is found in george orwells 1984.

that is, forget the "if".

to find out the who and the what, simply look at the actions, laws and precautions which have changed society as a RESPONSE to historical acts, and more importantly the projected terror we are supposedly being protected from.

ie taking away habeus corpus.

read "stasiland"

[Oldemandalton]

[Consider how that massive destruction is forever etched in your mind...the minds, hearts and souls of most Americans and citizens of the world who were alive to witness that awful day.]

[a 'catalyzing event — like a new Pearl Harbor'—was seen as necessary to bring this about. The scenarios Oldemandalton lays out wouldn't have accomplished this...wouldn't have justified, in the minds of most Americans, the wars, the Patriot Act, the torture, the Military Commissions Act, The John Warner Defense Authorization act, loss of posse comitatus, loss of habeas corpus, loss of freedoms, wiretapping, etc.]

This was the GOAL of the 19 terrorist’s and those who planed, trained and funded them.

1. Hijack four airliners and ram them into 4 buildings thus destroying the planes and killing all the passengers and crews. If 100% successful cause a shut down and disruption of the airline and air cargo industry.

2. Strike at the military headquarters of the US military, The Pentagon, by ramming into it and causing severe damage, kill as many military officers and leaders as possible, and interrupt the Command and Control of the US military. This will be the first time that an over seas enemy will strike at a military OR civilian target within the Continental United States in more than a century!

3. Strike at the financial center of our country by ramming a plane into each of the Towers to cause maximum amount of damage and death to those who worked inside.
The Twin Towers was a landmark known around the world and was featured in many movies, magazines, and posters of NY City. Ramming a plane into each of them would tell the world that no one was safe anywhere in our country. In fact, after the attack many people working in other high-rise landmarks feared a similar fate for their buildings, such as the Sears Tower in Chicago. 50,000 people worked in the Twin Towers and another 200,000 visited each day. The goal was to kill as many as possible with the impact of the planes and the fire afterward.

4. Ram a plane into the Capital Building to kill as many Congressmen and Senators, aids and other national leaders as possible. This is the primary target of the attack with the most devastating effect for the US. This portion of the attacked could have wiped out completely or a large majority of 1/3 of the government of the United States. Our government would have come to a standstill! The President would have had to declare a nation emergency and called new elections for all those vacancies. Without the Legislative Branch it would have been so easy to take control of the government with just the Presidency and Judges.

This attack would have been greater than Pearl Harbor! These 4 goals reached would have certainly have brought us, “the wars, the Patriot Act, the torture, the Military Commissions Act, The John Warner Defense Authorization act, loss of posse comitatus, loss of habeas corpus, loss of freedoms, wiretapping, etc.” if not more!!

So again I ask why bother with the demolition of the Twin Towers when even more destruction was planned?!

Why risk the discovery of your secret combination with the full destruction of the buildings when a partial one would suffice? The risk far outweighs the benefit!

[UFO's, moon landings, JFK have little or no similarities to the 9/11 false flag event. These are strawmen in this conversation as they do not demonstrate any plausible scientific evidence like the thermate in the dust, defiance of the laws of nature/physics.]

Mentioning other conspiracy theories was not meant as a straw man but examples of theories that adherents use science to prove. I don’t believe in the science of Global Warming either. They say that the debate is over and would compare me to a holocaust denier. So be it, I still don’t believe global warming is man made or even happening! They also prove Darwinism with science. Should I believe everything a scientist tells me?


No one has answered The Question. Why plan a demolition of the Twin Towers if all 4 Goals above had a very good chance of succeeding?

[While looking at the whole forest, sometimes it helps to stand back a ways...get a better view. ]

Put down the binoculars. You’ll get a better view of the forest that way.

"Flip!, I know there's an exit somewhere around here." Said the Missionary at the JW Convention.

[Stephen]

It's funny when you feel like the odd man out here! We are the ones that are the lone wolves in LDS congregations. I have felt for some time like a missionary to my own people...to get them to believe and follow their own religion!

So again I ask why bother with the demolition of the Twin Towers when even more destruction was planned?!

I am left to assume you didn't watch any of the loose change or other documentaries. We will remain a bunch of nuts until you actually do a sincere study of the evidence. (and not the governments version of it...nor popular mechanics...or other lame sources).

Frankly...I don't understand why you feel that question has merit. The more events...the more fear to be bred.

[Oldemandalton]

[I don't understand why you feel that question has merit. The more events...the more fear to be bred]

The Question has merit because there was no need to plant explosives. Did you even bother to read the 4 goals that I put into the above post? Only a fool would risk exposure to their secrete combination to bring down the Towers when they would have been severely damaged by fire and water as a result if the impact of the planes. The Twin Towers was not the Main Objective of the terrorists, it was the Capital! Can you see the forest yet?

[It's funny when you feel like the odd man out here! We are the ones that are the lone wolves in LDS congregations. I have felt for some time like a missionary to my own people...to get them to believe and follow their own religion!]

I agree. I am in a position of authority so I have to be careful with what I say, as everyone should. I emphasize spiritual and physical preparedness to those whom I come in contact with. You’ll loose them if you start with the secret combinations, Gadiantons, and preparing for an exodus to Zion kind of stuff. Stick to the basics and let the Spirit guide them from there. That is what our Prophet and Apostles do.

Have you noticed an increase in members participating in the Church’s Store House purchases? They have run out of wheat for several months in a row here in Vegas because of the increase in demand. More are seeing what’s coming, are listening to the Spirit, and preparing for the coming lean years.

[Stephen]

Yes. I did read the 4 objectives. Did you watch any of the documentaries?

What is your source for knowing what the goals of the terrorists were?

Who were the terrorists and what is your source for knowing who they are?

What is your source for the belief that that there were no explosives?

I hear what you are saying about watching what you say to the "man on the street" LDS. I told the stake president a few weeks back that "If I said half of the things that the Lord has shown me I would make many enemies in the church".

There are many people waking up. Hopefully before it's too late.

How often do Church members arise early in the morning to do the will of the Lord? How often do we say,... “Yes, I will obey the commandment to store food and to help others, but just now I have neither the time nor the money to spare; I will obey later”? Oh, foolish people! While we procrastinate, the harvest will be over and we will not be saved. (Spencer W. Kimball, The Teachings of Spencer W. Kimball, p. 174)

[Oldemandalton]

[What is your source for knowing what the goals of the terrorists were?]

Look at their targets. It’s obvious.

[Who were the terrorists and what is your source for knowing who they are?]

They were the guys who hijacked the planes. Are you saying they were CIA/Mossad/US military kamikaze pilots or were they remote controlled empty planes? Maybe they were a bunch of teenagers on a joy ride.

[What is your source for the belief that that there were no explosives?]

Deduction. Why bother.

[There are many people waking up. Hopefully before it's too late.]

I’ve noticed this in my own Ward and Stake. Last Stake Priesthood Leadership Meeting our Stake President said that the Spirit touched him to advise us to keep our gas tanks at ¾ full. The Spirit moves.

[Oldemandalton]

Col. Flagg, I am curious to know what your ideas that you hinted at in the original post were of a terrorist act that could hurt the US. Of coarse for those CIA operatives listening in, this is purely an academic discussion. There is no intent to cause harm or injury to any citizen of this great nation. (Sorry, thought I'ld throw that in just in case.)

[Stephen]

[What is your source for knowing what the goals of the terrorists were?]

Look at their targets. It’s obvious.

[Who were the terrorists and what is your source for knowing who they are?]

They were the guys who hijacked the planes. Are you saying they were CIA/Mossad/US military kamikaze pilots or were they remote controlled empty planes? Maybe they were a bunch of teenagers on a joy ride.

[What is your source for the belief that that there were no explosives?]

Deduction. Why bother.

[There are many people waking up. Hopefully before it's too late.]

I’ve noticed this in my own Ward and Stake. Last Stake Priesthood Leadership Meeting our Stake President said that the Spirit touched him to advise us to keep our gas tanks at ¾ full. The Spirit moves.

Yup. Didn't bother to watch any of the documentaries. 9/11 truthers will remain a bunch of off-base...deceived...nuts! All I'm trying to encourage is for you to go to the house of seantum...

Hel 9:31 But behold, ye shall examine him, and ye shall find blood upon the skirts of his cloak.

If it's too far of a walk...or if "It doesn't make sense that seantum would ever do such a thing"...or if blood on someones clothes is no indicator of potential guilt...or such an endeavor would just be a "waste of time"...then I understand why you won't go.

[Oldemandalton]

[Yup. Didn't bother to watch any of the documentaries. 9/11 truthers will remain a bunch of off-base...deceived...nuts! All I'm trying to encourage is for you to go to the house of seantum...]

Can’t watch the videos here at work. I do not judge other’s beliefs. I am sure you’re just as level headed as I am. (If you knew me, you could have taken that as an insult but none was intended)

I want to know in your own words the answer to my Question. Not a video or talk by someone making money or hyping some theory. Some even may have good intentions but I want YOUR reasoning behind the Why. Please glean from my above posts and, using logic NOT science, attempt to answer The Question. Why bother, knowing the goals of the terrorist, would the LDGs risk discovery to demo the Twin Towers? I am an open minded guy but I really don't trust scientists. They have tried to deceive too us many times in the past. Again I am not trying to insult anyone on this board. Just being honest with my opinions. 8)

Your New Friend
Olde Man Dalton

[Col. Flagg]

Col. Flagg, I am curious to know what your ideas that you hinted at in the original post were of a terrorist act that could hurt the US. Of coarse for those CIA operatives listening in, this is purely an academic discussion. There is no intent to cause harm or injury to any citizen of this great nation. (Sorry, thought I'ld throw that in just in case.)

Did you not see my original post? Anything that would bring commerce to a grinding halt or anything that would paralyze the U.S. (such as the power grid going down or an EMP (electro-magnetic pulse attack - a nuke detonated right over the central U.S. at 100 miles or more high in the atmosphere) should be any terrorists' goal that wants to see this country brought to its knees. Slamming planes into buildings is NOT going to achieve that and it 'allegedly' took them years to plan. If it takes years for a supposed terror network like al Qaida (which is actually a front organization created by the CIA) to plan ramming a few planes into U.S. landmarks with the goal of bringing the U.S. to its knees, then either they are incredibly stupid or 9/11 was something else entirely.

Old Man Dalton... have you been to this site yet? It's the best as far as science and physics destroying the Feds' official story...

http://www.ae911truth.org

The material presented on this site is easy enough for anyone to understand. To be honest, I don't know how anyone with a brain can watch those towers disintegrate and turn to powder, peeling like bananas, at free fall speed, with 20 floors going right through 90 as if they weren't even there and think to themselves 'I guess that's what happens when a plane hits a building and it smolders for 50 minutes'.

[Stephen]

[Yup. Didn't bother to watch any of the documentaries. 9/11 truthers will remain a bunch of off-base...deceived...nuts! All I'm trying to encourage is for you to go to the house of seantum...]

Can’t watch the videos here at work. I do not judge other’s beliefs. I am sure you’re just as level headed as I am. (If you knew me, you could have taken that as an insult but none was intended)

I want to know in your own words the answer to my Question. Not a video or talk by someone making money or hyping some theory. Some even may have good intentions but I want YOUR reasoning behind the Why. Please glean from my above posts and, using logic NOT science, attempt to answer The Question. Why bother, knowing the goals of the terrorist, would the LDGs risk discovery to demo the Twin Towers? I am an open minded guy but I really don't trust scientists. They have tried to deceive too us many times in the past. Again I am not trying to insult anyone on this board. Just being honest with my opinions. 8)

Your New Friend
Olde Man Dalton

I answered it above...just briefly.

The more events...the more fear to be bred.

Whomever was behind this attack...wanted the buildings to fall...in my opinion...to topple the landmark. (and that is all it is...an opinion as the people who did it never relayed to me why they did it...I'm sure they are alive and well...maybe they will tell us sometime!) Planes hitting the twin towers did some major damage and made for lots of casualties. The twin towers falling caused TONS more in the way of body count, destruction, impact on the psyche of the public. If they hadn't fallen it would have lessened the anger of the people...perhaps not being that "pearl harbor" that allowed for us to launch our pre-emptive war.

To buy up armies, and to reign with blood and horror upon the earth is the motive...and to get our people scared enough to give up their liberties is the motive.

Check this one out for a motive...

http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=w ... r+profite#

I don't think that the 9/11 event was calculated to bring us to our knees....and spin us off into anarchy etc... It's goal was accomplished. The people are afraid...and the executive has the reigns. Police state and communism...here we come!

[Mark]

I have had many of the same thoughts as Bro. Dalton on this question about using these planes to attack America. This possibility of doing so had been made public for almost a decade before 9-11. Here is a fews details in a report about the very real potentials of just such an attack. If anything our intelligence agencies and political personel just totally dropped the ball on this and did not take this anywhere near enough seriously as they should have. I don't pretend to know all the answers as to why this was the case but I see incompetency on many levels that is unbelievable. As to culpability of who knew what I will not get into that speculation. Its a guess at best.

The Pentagon commissioned an expert panel in 1993 to investigate the
possibility of an airplane being used to bomb national landmarks.
Retired Air Force Col. Doug Menarchik, who organized the $150,000
study for the Defense Department's Office of Special Operations and
Low-Intensity Conflict, recalled: "It was considered radical
thinking, a little too scary for the times. After I left, it met a
quiet death."

Other participants have noted that the decision not to publish
detailed scenarios issued to some extent from fear that this may give
terrorists ideas.

Nevertheless, a draft document detailing the results of the
investigation was circulated through the Pentagon, the Justice
Department and the Federal Emergency Management Agency. Senior agency
officials decided against a public release. [2]

The veracity of the Pentagon's "radical thinking" was confirmed in
1994 when there occurred three attempted attacks on buildings using
airplanes. The first, in April of that year, involved a Federal
Express flight engineer facing dismissal.

Having boarded a DC-10 as a passenger, he invaded the cockpit,
planning to crash the plane into a company building in Memphis.
Fortunately, he was overpowered by the crew.

The second attempt occurred in September. A lone pilot crashed a
small plane into a tree on the White House grounds, just short of the
president's bedroom.

The third incident occurred in December. An Air France flight in
Algiers was hijacked by members of the Armed Islamic Group (GIA) -
who are linked to Al Qaeda - aiming to crash it into the Eiffel
Tower. French Special Forces stormed the plane on the ground. [3]

AL QAEDA'S PROJECT BOJINKA

Western intelligence had been aware of plans for such terrorist
attacks on U.S. soil as early as 1995. Both the Federal Bureau of
Investigation (FBI) and the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) had
detailed information about the possible use of hijack/suicide attacks
by terrorists connected to Osama Bin Laden. The New York Times
reported that:

"In 1994, two jetliners were hijacked by people who wanted to crash
them into buildings, one of them by an Islamic militant group. And
the 2000 edition of the FAA's annual report on Criminal Acts Against
Aviation, published this year, said that although Osama Bin Laden 'is
not known to have attacked civil aviation, he has both the motivation
and the wherewithal to do so,' adding, 'Bin Laden's anti-Western and
anti-American attitudes make him and his followers a significant
threat to civil aviation, particularly to U.S. civil aviation'." [4]

Moreover, the U.S. intelligence community was aware of Bin Laden's
specific intentions to use hijacked civilian planes as weapons. In
this regard, the Chicago Sun-Times reported that:

"The FBI had advance indications of plans to hijack U.S. airliners
and use them as weapons, but neither acted on them nor distributed
the intelligence to local police agencies.

"From the moment of the September 11attacks, high-ranking federal
officials insisted that the terrorists' method of operation surprised
them. Many stick to that story.

"Actually, elements of the hijacking plan were known to the FBI as
early as 1995 and, if coupled with current information, might have
uncovered the plot." [5]

Details of these advanced indications have been noted in a report by
the respected German daily Die Welt: "Western secret services knew as
far back as 1995 that suspected terror mastermind Osama Bin Laden
planned to attack civilian sites using commercial passenger planes."

Quoting sources "close to western intelligence agencies," the
newspaper reported that: "The plan was discovered in January 1995 by
Philippine police who were investigating a possible attack against
Pope John Paul II on a visit to Manila...

"They found details of the plan in a computer seized in an apartment
used by three men who were part of Bin Laden's Al Qaeda network. It
provided for 11 planes to be exploded simultaneously by bombs placed
on board, but also in an alternative form for several planes flying
to the United States to be hijacked and flown into civilian targets.

"Among targets mentioned was the World Trade Center in New York,
which was destroyed in the September 11 terror attacks in the United
States that killed thousands."

This plot "re-surfaced during the trial in New York in 1997 of
Pakistani Ramsi Yousef, the mastermind of the attack on the World
Trade Center in 1993....

"[The] U.S. Federal Bureau of Investigation and CIA would have known
about the plan at the latest at this time." [6]

As the Washington DC-based Public Education Center (PEC) observes:
"Federal investigative sources have confirmed that Murad" - who was
"a close confidant and right-hand man to Yousef, who was convicted of
crimes relating to the 1993 bombing of the World Trade Center" -
"detailed an entire plot to dive bomb aircraft in the headquarters of
the Central Intelligence Agency in Langley, Virginia," along with
other U.S. buildings. "Yousef independently boasted of the plot to
U.S. Secret Service agent Brian Parr and FBI agent Charles Stern on
an extradition flight from Pakistan to the United States in February
1995," continues the PEC report. "The agents later testified to that
fact in court... [T]he plan targeted not only the CIA but other U.S.
government buildings in Washington, including the Pentagon." [7]

Rafael M. Garcia III, Chairman/CEO of the Mega Group of Computer
Companies in the Philippines, who often works with the National
Bureau of Investigation (NBI) in his field of expertise, was involved
in the intelligence operation that uncovered Project Bojinka.

[Mark]

I know that this does not fit the standard govt. op false flag event that many here believe in wholeheartedly but I think it is important to follow the trail leading to the truth even if it doesn't fit our own theories. I have always wondered why it is so hard to believe that a well funded group of radical Islamists who had spoken of these plans of using commercial airliners as weapons could not pull off the events of 9-11.

I too thought that the Capitol building was the primary target of this operation so that these terrorists could boast that they attacked our financial center along with our political center and our military center thereby spinning us into chaos as a nation. I still don't get the argument as to why this would not have been possible for this group of radicals. All it took was some prior planning and training along with the cost of some airline tickets.

I know that there has been a healthy dose of CYA among our political elite because they were incompetent in their preparations and procedures for this type of terrorist event but that does not automatically implicate them as the planners of this event. I have said multiple times that there are many combinations that seek to destroy this nation both from within and outside our borders. Why radical Islamists can't be counted as one of these combinations that tried to take us down in this way is a mystery to me. They were just another tool used to inflict grey terror upon this land in preparation for the great war.

[Oldemandalton]

["Why", seems to be an easy thing to answer.

It is clearly evident from the book of mormon that satan would have his followers control government. This is done through secret combinations. When he has his cronies in power...he can deny them of their privileges of worship...and even work to destroy the church of God.

The problem with getting his kings to rule with power supreme in the US is all of those annoying checks and balances that gaurantee various freedoms. People would not give up those freedoms unless they had a pressing need.

History has shown the rise of many a dictator or king who either made events happen (there is a lot of evidence that the reichstag fire was caused by Hitler for example)...or they ride the wave of hard times to come to the people as a savior...who will help them to rebuild and fight an enemy who is wicked and bloodthirsty. This person or people make promises of safety in return for their freedom...but they don't seem to give it up after they get it.

Our people have largely cheered the dissolution of the checks and balances to give to the president...and those that control the government...seen and unseen...unconstitutional power so that we can be "safe". "Git' er done!!" the people cheer! "We can't let the president have his hands tied by having to go to congress"..."They need the power to find the enemy no matter what the cost!.....wiretapping...torture...military tribunals...loss of habeous corpus...etc...etc..all are necessary to get those evil doers". The patriot act is an abomination...as are a host of other legislation that has gone through. The strings that bind gulliver down are holding us down now....and are increasing their stranglehold daily. As J. Reuben Clark has said about our losing these constitutional freedoms..."Only blood will get them back".

We as LDS people believe in secret combinations...not just historically...but now. Secret combinations that don't care whom they have to kill in their lust for power...and desire to reign with blood and horror.]

I agree 100%, Stephen.

[It is beyond the pale...a harder than hard pill to swallow to believe that such an event could have been an "inside job". When I first heard it I thought the friend of mine who told me had lost his mind.]

Ditto.

[Then I took the time to actually look at the evidence. The MOUNTAIN of evidence....and I swallowed that pill and have come to know the "enemies of Christ" in the BOM more fully...and to bring to light the "hidden things of darkness".]

Yes there is a mountain of evidence, for and against the conspiracy theory. We choose to believe one or the other.

[A person who is not intellectually dishonest...could not...I repeat...COULD NOT...watch that video and not say "There was something fishy going on"...by the end.]

I agree with this too.

[ I don't expect someone to buy into every bit of info...but there is way too much evidence to refute it all.]

With your perspective, I can see how it is totally believable.

[....but I believe firmly that the day will come...when the wickedness of men is shouted from the housetops...there will be a multitude of people that will see that they had been deceived...]

I agree 100%.

[This is the one that played on Russian TV.]

Aren’t these guys our enemy and one of the major Secret Combinations? (See Cleon Skousen’s The Naked Communist). As a suggestion, I wouldn’t use Russia to prove a theory. They are the masters at misinformation.

[As for why demolish the buildings in such a horrific manner. Consider how that massive destruction is forever etched in your mind...the minds, hearts and souls of most Americans and citizens of the world who were alive to witness that awful day.]

Yes it was horrific and with massive destruction. Flying 4 planes loaded with fuel into buildings would tend to do that.

[If it's too far of a walk...or if "It doesn't make sense that seantum would ever do such a thing"...or if blood on someones clothes is no indicator of potential guilt...or such an endeavor would just be a "waste of time"...then I understand why you won't go.]

I am sorry, Stephen, could you please enlighten me as to what this is referring to. Thanks.


[Frankly...I don't understand why you feel that question has merit. The more events...the more fear to be bred.]
[Slamming planes into buildings is NOT going to achieve that and it 'allegedly' took them years to plan.]
[The twin towers falling caused TONS more in the way of body count, destruction, impact on the psyche of the public. If they hadn't fallen it would have lessened the anger of the people...perhaps not being that "pearl harbor" that allowed for us to launch our pre-emptive war.]

I strongly disagree with these statements. If all 4 planes were successful, it would have been worse than Pearl Harbor. See below. Read it this time!

This was the GOAL of the 19 terrorist’s and those who planed, trained and funded them.

1. Hijack four airliners and ram them into 4 buildings thus destroying the planes and killing all the passengers and crews. If 100% successful cause a shut down and disruption of the airline and air cargo industry.

2. Strike at the military headquarters of the US military, The Pentagon, by ramming into it and causing severe damage, kill as many military officers and leaders as possible, and interrupt the Command and Control of the US military. This will be the first time that an over seas enemy will strike at a military OR civilian target within the Continental United States in more than a century!

3. Strike at the financial center of our country by ramming a plane into each of the Towers to cause maximum amount of damage and death to those who worked inside.
The Twin Towers was a landmark known around the world and was featured in many movies, magazines, and posters of NY City. Ramming a plane into each of them would tell the world that no one was safe anywhere in our country. In fact, after the attack many people working in other high-rise landmarks feared a similar fate for their buildings, such as the Sears Tower in Chicago. 50,000 people worked in the Twin Towers and another 200,000 visited each day. The goal was to kill as many as possible with the impact of the planes and the fire afterward.

4. Ram a plane into the Capital Building to kill as many Congressmen and Senators, aids and other national leaders as possible. This is the primary target of the attack with the most devastating effect for the US. This portion of the attacked could have wiped out completely or a large majority of 1/3 of the government of the United States. Our government would have come to a standstill! The President would have had to declare a nation emergency and called new elections for all those vacancies. Without the Legislative Branch it would have been so easy to take control of the government with just the Presidency and Judges.

This attack would have been greater than Pearl Harbor! These 4 goals reached would have certainly have brought us, “the wars, the Patriot Act, the torture, the Military Commissions Act, The John Warner Defense Authorization act, loss of posse comitatus, loss of habeas corpus, loss of freedoms, wiretapping, etc.” if not more!!

Only a fool would risk exposure to their secrete combination to bring down the Towers when they would have been severely damaged by fire and water as a result if the impact of the planes. The Twin Towers was not the Main Objective of the terrorists, it was the Capital!

[Old Man Dalton... have you been to this site yet? It's the best as far as science and physics destroying the Feds' official story...]
[I don't know how anyone with a brain can watch those towers disintegrate and turn to powder, peeling like bananas, at free fall speed, with 20 floors going right through 90 as if they weren't even there and think to themselves 'I guess that's what happens when a plane hits a building and it smolders for 50 minutes'. ]

Two people watching the same event can see two entirely different things. When you see it you see a demolition of a building. All of your experts have proven it and explained it to you. I (I do believe there is a brain in my head somewhere ) see a building that a plane full of jet fuel crashed into. This fuel and the contents of the area hit, burn (Not smolder)for an hour thus weakening the steel supports, building falls. Those are the two view points we see.

[To buy up armies, and to reign with blood and horror upon the earth is the motive...and to get our people scared enough to give up their liberties is the motive.]

I agree 1000%!

[I don't think that the 9/11 event was calculated to bring us to our knees....and spin us off into anarchy etc... It's goal was accomplished. The people are afraid...and the executive has the reigns. Police state and communism...here we come!]

Exactly! See the above 4 goals.

[I have had many of the same thoughts as Bro. Dalton on this question about using these planes to attack America. This possibility of doing so had been made public for almost a decade before 9-11.]

Mark, I see that the lone missionary finally found his companion at the JW Convention.

There were 4 planes, 19 men & three targets;
1. Us Economy, Twin Towers
2. US Military, The Pentagon.
3. US Government, US Capital Building.

Question;
Can you think of 3 better targets?

Has this ever happened before in our history? Besides the British in 1812. (They were 1000s and invaded our country)

Please explain in detail how these three targets being hit, was not enough damage to our country and a demolition job was needed on top of the horrific damage of said 4 planes.

[Col. Flagg]

I know that this does not fit the standard govt. op false flag event that many here believe in wholeheartedly but I think it is important to follow the trail leading to the truth even if it doesn't fit our own theories. I have always wondered why it is so hard to believe that a well funded group of radical Islamists who had spoken of these plans of using commercial airliners as weapons could not pull off the events of 9-11.

There were far too many coincidences on 9/11 for what happened to be anything but complicity or involvement on the part of our government and/or domestic/foreign intelligence agencies and/or military-industrial complex. From the wargame simulations that took place that morning within the FAA and NORAD to passports amazingly being discovered in the WTC dust when rescuers couldn't even find so much as a chair, table or computer in the rubble because everything had been turned to dust, the coincidences just piled up. Mark, science and physics has exposed the official story as a giant lie and fairy tale. A first year physics student knows all about the law of conservation of momentum, which basically equates to the fact that it is physically impossible for 20 floors to completely (and symmetrically no less) disintegrate and pulverize 90 that are perfectly in-tact below at free fall speed without any resistance from the the lower floors without some other form of energy helping to get rid of the resistance. Did the fire do this? Think about it. Have you looked at http://www.ae911truth.org ? I'm curious to get your opinion and comment about the science and physics presented on the site and how it proves 9/11 was an inside job. 9/11 'changed everything', including the laws of physics... http://911research.wtc7.net/disinfo/dec ... apses.html

I too thought that the Capitol building was the primary target of this operation so that these terrorists could boast that they attacked our financial center along with our political center and our military center thereby spinning us into chaos as a nation. I still don't get the argument as to why this would not have been possible for this group of radicals.

If the towers were still standing, the 'governments' story would be slightly more believable, however, there are still hundreds of other pieces of information that shed an entirely different light on what happened and why.

All it took was some prior planning and training along with the cost of some airline tickets.

And some help from the CIA, who knew darn well these guys were training in American flight schools, but were allowed to progress unimpeded, not to mention the fact that the CIA met up with bin Laden in a Pakistan hospital in July of 2001 when he was on dialysis for kidney failure. If he was this evil master-mind in charge of a terror network, why did our CIA meet with him and then not take him into custody???

I know that there has been a healthy dose of CYA among our political elite because they were incompetent in their preparations and procedures for this type of terrorist event but that does not automatically implicate them as the planners of this event.

They want us to believe incompetence played a big role in what happened because it allows for a nice alibi, but the fact is that there was complicity and involvement. The Bush administration rec'd dozens of warnings about what was planned and completely ignored them. I find it highly peculiar that many in charge of our defenses that day (both military and political) who were supposed to have failed miserably with gross incompetence were actually promoted with the medal of freedom, with absolutely no consequence for their alleged negligence.

I have said multiple times that there are many combinations that seek to destroy this nation both from within and outside our borders. Why radical Islamists can't be counted as one of these combinations that tried to take us down in this way is a mystery to me.

There is no doubt there are real terrorists out there who want to harm us, however, on 9/11, they had a lot of help and it wasn't from bin Laden or al Qaida.

They were just another tool used to inflict grey terror upon this land in preparation for the great war.

bin Laden, al Qaida and the 19 alleged terrorists (many of whom are still alive by the way... amazing isn't it) were used as the patsies in a sinister operation that finally saw the demolition of the twin towers because of the fact that they were HUGE financial liabilities and the destruction of building 7, which housed the records of thousands of investigative files pertaining to Wall Street fraud, the Enron debacle and over $2 trillion in missing government funds. These criminals will stop at nothing to hide their tracks. Look at the financial mess we're in... look at these criminal bail-outs... look at the $50 billion in fraud and the ponzi scheme that this Madoff character pulled off... how many more examples do we need???

Here's a great, short synopsis of 9/11 from a website devoted to the top 10 false flag ops of all-time...

#1. The September 11, 2001 Attacks

Like many buildings built in the 1970s, the twin towers were constructed with vast quantities of cancer-causing asbestos. The cost of removing the Twin Tower asbestos? A year's worth of revenues at a minimum; possibly as much as the value of the buildings themselves. The cost to disassemble the Twin Towers floor by floor would have run into the double-digit billions. In addition, the Port Authority was prohibited from demolishing the towers because the resulting asbestos dust would cover the entire city, which it did when they collapsed, resulting in many cancers with a confirmed link to the WTC dust.

Despite its questionable status, in January of 2001, Larry Silverstein made a $3.2 billion bid for the World Trade Center. On July 24, the Port Authority accepted the offer. Silverstein then took out an insurance policy that, understandably, covered terrorist attacks, which happened seven weeks later. To date, Silverstein has been awarded almost $5 billion from nine different insurance companies. What was an asbestos nightmare turned into a $1.8 billion profit within seven weeks.

Donald Rumsfeld said about the Pentagon on the morning of September 10, 2001: "According to some estimates we cannot track $2.3 trillion in transactions." That bombshell was pretty much forgotten by the next morning. So, as a reward for losing $8,000 for every man, woman, and child in America, taxpayers patriotically forked over another $370 billion and counting to invade Iraq. True to form, the Pentagon promptly lost $9 billion of that money, too.

Eight days after the attacks, the 342-page Patriot Act was given to Congress. That same week, letters armed with anthrax from a US military lab entered the mail. Subsequently, while Congressional offices were evacuated, examined, cleaned and nasal cavities swabbed, the Patriot Act remained largely unread. Then, with little debate, the Patriot Act became law, giving the Bush administration unprecedented power to access people's medical records, tax records, information about the books they bought or borrowed and the power to conduct secret residential searches without notifying owners that their homes had been searched.

In early 2001, executives from Shell, BP, and Exxon met with Dick Cheney's Energy Task Force while it was developing its new national energy policy. Later, the companies freely admitted interest in profiting from Iraq's oil fields, even before the US invaded Iraq. And now? A new Iraq hydrocarbon law expected to pass in March 2007 will open the door for international investors, led by BP, Exxon and Shell, to siphon off 75 percent of Iraq oil wealth for the next thirty years.

According to statements by Lt. Col. Anthony Shaffer, a Bronze Star recipient with 22 years of experience in intelligence operations, a classified intelligence program codenamed Able Danger had uncovered two of the three 9/11 terrorist cells a year before the attacks and had identified four of the hijackers. Shaffer alerted the FBI in September of 2000, but the meetings he tried to set up with bureau officials were repeatedly blocked by military lawyers. Four credible witnesses have come forward to verify Shaffer's claims.

In August 2001, a Pan Am International Flight Academy instructor warned the FBI that a student (Zacarias Moussaoui) might use a commercial plane loaded with fuel as a weapon. The instructor asked "Do you realize that a 747 loaded with fuel can be used as a bomb?" Moussaoui was then arrested on immigration charges, but despite the repeated urging of the school and local agents, FBI headquarters refused a deeper investigation. The US also received dozens of detailed warnings (names, locations, dates) from the intelligence agencies of Indonesia, Great Britain, Germany, Italy, Egypt, Jordan, India, Argentina, Morocco, Russia, Israel, France and even the Taliban. It would seem that the entire world was onto the bungling Saudi hijackers and somewhat perplexed that the US wasn't taking preventative actions. But in each case the US, as if by design, chose not to investigate. Instead. Condoleezza Rice, on May 16, 2002, stated: "I don't think anybody could have predicted that these people would take an airplane and slam it into the World Trade Center, take another one and slam it into the Pentagon."

We also know that on the morning of 9/11, multiple Air Force war games and drills were in progress. The hijackers would have never made it to their targets without these war games: Operation Northern Vigilance ensured that many jet fighters that would have normally been patrolling the east coast were flying over Alaska and northern Canada in a drill that simulated a Russian air attack, complete with false radar blips.

Remarkably, operation Vigilant Guardian simulated hijacked planes in the north eastern sector, while real hijackers were in the same airspace. This drill had NORAD and the Air Force reacting to false blips on FAA radar screens. Some of these blips corresponded to real military aircraft in the air posing as hijacked aircraft. That's why when NORAD's airborne control officer, Lt. Col. Dawne Deskins, heard Boston claim it had a hijacked airliner, her first words were, "It must be part of the exercise."

Changing colours

If you follow the money, you can see that the people with the most to gain occupied the key military and civilian positions to help 9/11 happen, as well as to cover up the crime. Such is the hallmark of false flag operations throughout history. But the incredible scale of the 9/11 sham, and the sheer number of people who still refuse to see the mountain of truth in front of their eyes...that's what makes the September 11, 2001 attacks the greatest false flag operation of all time.

Hermann Göring stated: "Naturally the common people don't want war; neither in Russia, nor in England, nor in America, nor in Germany. That is understood. But after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. ...Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country."

Adolf Hitler in Mein Kampf, a book still forbidden in some countries (such as France), wrote: "In the size of the lie there is always contained a certain factor of credibility, since the great masses of the people...will more easily fall victim to a great lie than to a small one."

One last comment... if these bail-outs of greedy, speculative crooks on Wall Street and in the banks at taxpayer expense aren't proof that we've got a criminal syndicate in Washington, DC, nothing will convince you.

[Mark]

Mark, I see that the lone missionary finally found his companion at the JW Convention.

There were 4 planes, 19 men & three targets;
1. Us Economy, Twin Towers
2. US Military, The Pentagon.
3. US Government, US Capital Building.

Question;
Can you think of 3 better targets?

Has this ever happened before in our history? Besides the British in 1812. (They were 1000s and invaded our country)

Please explain in detail how these three targets being hit, was not enough damage to our country and a demolition job was needed on top of the horrific damage of said 4 planes.

I have to agree with you here Bro. I know this will not enamore me with all my false flag conspiracy friends but I really think that the evidence points to this attack coming from the Islamic Jihadist movement. These people hate the United States govt. more than I hate kidney stones. This was a perfect oportunity for them to stick it to us. I have said for months that these terrorists were state sponsored with head honcho Al Zawahiri being trained by KGB/FSB operatives. I am sure we will find that Hussein and Sons had their bloody hands on this as well when the truth is all laid out. The enemy of my enemy is my friend. This all fits into the grey terror agenda of those who want to take the West down for the count. I anticipate the next attack to involve something much more devastating as far as casualties go. Phase 2 is coming soon.

[Col. Flagg]

Mark, I see that the lone missionary finally found his companion at the JW Convention.

There were 4 planes, 19 men & three targets;
1. Us Economy, Twin Towers
2. US Military, The Pentagon.
3. US Government, US Capital Building.

Question;
Can you think of 3 better targets?

Has this ever happened before in our history? Besides the British in 1812. (They were 1000s and invaded our country)

Please explain in detail how these three targets being hit, was not enough damage to our country and a demolition job was needed on top of the horrific damage of said 4 planes.

I have to agree with you here Bro. I know this will not enamore me with all my false flag conspiracy friends but I really think that the evidence points to this attack coming from the Islamic Jihadist movement. These people hate the United States govt. more than I hate kidney stones. This was a perfect oportunity for them to stick it to us. I have said for months that these terrorists were state sponsored with head honcho Al Zawahiri being trained by KGB/FSB operatives. I am sure we will find that Hussein and Sons had their bloody hands on this as well when the truth is all laid out. The enemy of my enemy is my friend. This all fits into the grey terror agenda of those who want to take the West down for the count. I anticipate the next attack to involve something much more devastating as far as casualties go. Phase 2 is coming soon.

Mark, ignoring and discounting the mounds and piles of physical and scientific evidence indicating 9/11 was an inside job is like discounting a DNA test. It's also the same as a jury knowing someone is guilty because of the piles of evidence against them and then the jury simply acquitting them and saying 'we just didn't believe or think he was capable of doing it'.

Speaking of DNA...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... rss_nation

[Oldemandalton]

[ignoring and discounting the mounds and piles of physical and scientific evidence indicating 9/11 was an inside job is like discounting a DNA test.]

First the logic, then the evidence. Global Warming is illogical to me, therefore I don’t bother watching Al Gore’s movie and all the other video presentations you can find on the internet to “prove” global warming. It is illogical to me for the LDGs to risk exposure by demoing the Towers instead of just letting them burn.

Try explaining it to me this way since I have a thick skull and no one has answered my other questions.

Pretend you are Master Mahan discussing with Bin Laden an attack on the US using 4 hijacked planes.

First, explain why these 4 buildings would be chosen and what the maximum damage could be caused by 4 planes to the buildings AND how the country would have been harmed by this max damage.

Second, explain how a secondary plan to demo the Towers is worth the risk of discovery of the LDGs.

Third, explain how the demolition of the Twin Towers could be done. What type of explosives would you use (Thermite, FAE, or I have even heard of nuclear), the number and type of experts, how to do it undiscovered in an occupied building. Please explain here and not refer me to another site. Use your own words and be as precise as possible. I have no brain, remember. Don’t forget the first two, I know you guys can do this one in your sleep. It’s the first two that are more important to me at this point. Remember, convince me of the logic first. Then the evidence will make sense.

Thanks