LDS Freedom Forum

Mark wrote: Come on Bro. the sword cuts both ways here.

Stephen wrote:I would suspect a two fold event. Perhaps a weaponized pestilence...with just enough time to get the word out that it exists...then...lights out. Now THAT would cause terror...to have an "unseen" danger in the way of a pestilence...and then slap the media teet from the mouth of America...leaving them in the dark as to where the danger is.

Oldemandalton wrote: I know you guys are well meaning and all but no one has answered the ultimate question, WHY. I can see all of your arguments. There are tons of scientists, engineers and, yes, Thinkers on both sides of the issue. You all will go at it till The 2nd Coming and neither side will be convinced. At least we’ll know the truth then. . . . . I mentioned before, JFK, Moon Landing, and UFOs. They have their science too, we chose whom to believe because of the overlying question, WHY. !

truthseeds wrote:Who really knows!? I agree with the Col. in that it could be a very dynamic attempt to bring us down. I don't think Bush/Cheney were the planners, but there is plenty of reason to suspect that they were complicit and at least had foreknowledge.............. Bush and Cheney pressured the (freshly-anthraxed) leadership of the Congressional opposition into delaying the 9/11 investigation for months..............

Oldemandalton wrote: From the millions of tons of Tower above. The top of the Tower acted like a giant hammer crushing everything beneath.

The Red Pill wrote: I read your posts, you have not proven anything. why do you think I replied to you?

There are dozens of smoking guns related to 911 . . . . .
Your continued use of the word “myth” is astounding. You act as if no hard factual scientific evidence has been presented concerning the 911 inside job/coverup. It’s everywhere you look, it’s as obvious as "who’s buried in Grants tomb?” Look at reality, it is not hard to find, if you are looking for the truth . . . .

Mark wrote:

Rather than accept the harsh reality and its numerous implications on your world view, you will resist the facts. Denial is at the root of it. You’re not the first, nor certainly not the last person I have run into with this condition. It is epidemic.

What kind of condesending tone is that red pill?

Mark Ferran explains this way.” The Truth is that: Glowing HOT STEEL WILL CONTINUE TO UNDERGO EXOTHERMIC OXIDATION REACTIONS WHILE EXPOSED TO AIR, CAUSING IRON TO INCREASE ITS TEMPERATURE UNTIL IT MELTS, FORMING POOLS OF MOLTEN IRON. It is important to understand that general rule in chemistry that most chemical reactions (e.g., oxidation of iron) are accelerated by higher temperatures. This is especially true of iron oxidation. This means, that the hotter iron metal in contact with oxygen is, the faster it will oxidize (burn). For example, it is a familiar sight at iron foundries to see hot iron rust forming instantaneously on red-hot iron beams. This hot rust usually falls off spontaneously (because of the difference in thermal expansion properties between iron and rust). Meaning, a hot iron beam, if combined with a large enough number of other hot iron beams in a confined or semi insulated pile (e.g., covered with cement dust), will burn CONTINUOUSLY until it consumes itself, (and thus will appear to have been "vaporized" to those not looking for the rust residue). It will just thin away (and turn into rust), as illustrated by a photo of burned and thinned I-beam metal recovered from the rubble of the WTC towers. “

There is a lot more out there explaining the molten metal and easy to find if you do a cursory search on google. Basically what you had in the basement of the towers was a furnace that burned for weeks.

"Temperature" inside of a furnace system is solely a function of how much heat enters the system versus how much leaves the system, over time, and not a function of the type of fuel. Insulation, or a large enough mass, slows the exit of heat from the system. (Note: melting things removes energy from a system) A large pile of debris forms an insulating furnace retaining much of the heat of combustion, raising the internal temperature, evidently high enough to melt iron. That is how the ancients used piles to make and refine and melt iron from ore.”


“It is hard to believe that someone would assume that molten iron found weeks or months later in the bowels of a huge pile of continuously burning debris (containing tons of combustible iron and other materials) would have to have been generated at the very beginning of the fire, or even before the pile was formed. It is even more nonsensical for someone to presume that a molten metal supposedly formed before the buildings collapsed would remain molten for months without some subsequent source of heat being applied to it. And, it is totally absurd to presume that a molten (liquid) metal supposedly formed in the top floors before the buildings collapsed (the "thermite" theory) would remain both molten and intact after it fell 70+ stories in a chaotic collapse while even more solid objects (bones, concrete, flesh) were obliterated on the way down. Some also seem to be oblivious that (aircraft) aluminum is itself a high-energy fuel, that would not be found in bright molten form weeks later (because it burns continuously when molten and exposed to air). (They use Aluminum metal as fuel to propel the Space Shuttle into Orbit around the Earth BTW). “

Mark wrote:Let me repost what Dalton posted earlier from Mark Ferran. For every "smoking gun" accusation of planted explosives and thermite having been used to bring down the towers that has been brought forward publicly there have been numerous articles written with alternative reasonable explanations of how the towers could have come down by experts in the field of civil engineering and structural science who frankly were much more qualified than Dr. Jones to render said opinions and explanations. Dalton has posted some of those numerous explanations to the repeated thermite accusations on various posts here. Yet those explanations just fall on deaf ears with most and are basically ignored and pushed aside because they don't substanciate the premise of the conspiracy that explosives were used by insiders to fell the towers. Is that really an honest and objective way to find the truth about this issue guys?]

I have a differing opinion on 9/11. It was, planed, funded and carried out by Al Queda, Bin Laden et al. I don’t think the US military, CIA, or Mossad were involved. I do believe that the “Latter Day Gadiantons” had a hand in it though. I am sure they knew something was going to happen, helped to fund it and helped the “patsies” to be successful in their endeavor. (Oldmandalton

Fourteen Points of Agreement with Official Government Reports on the World Trade Center Destruction
Authors: Steven E. Jones, Frank M. Legge, Kevin R. Ryan, Anthony F. Szamboti, James R. Gourley
The Open Civil Engineering Journal, pp.35-40, Vol 2
http://www.bentham-open.org/pages/conte ... TOCIEJ.SGM

For every "smoking gun" accusation of planted explosives and thermite having been used to bring down the towers that has been brought forward publicly there have been numerous articles written with alternative reasonable explanations of how the towers could have come down by experts in the field of civil engineering and structural science who frankly were much more qualified than Dr. Jones to render said opinions and explanations.

Mark wrote:Let me repost what Dalton posted earlier from Mark Ferran. . . . . . .

How do we go about firing the NIST for such incompetence?

pritchet1 wrote:And we have already reported ad nasuem, of those who reported from first-hand accounts, the explosions in the buildings prior to the planes hitting the buildings.

It doesn't take rocket science to understand what occurred.

Let him who has eyes to see and ears to hear, do so.

Stumpjumper wrote:

pritchet1 wrote:And we have already reported ad nasuem, of those who reported from first-hand accounts, the explosions in the buildings prior to the planes hitting the buildings.

It doesn't take rocket science to understand what occurred.

Let him who has eyes to see and ears to hear, do so.

Where are the links of these first hand accounts? I want to see some Youtube interviews and that kind of stuff.
Concrete proof of explosions should at least make FoxNews. Maybe not CNN or MSNBC. If this is all true then why hasn't the lid been completely blown off the story????? Lets get congress in on this.

Sincerely Stump

Oldemandalton wrote: Now I've got to jump into a discussion I wanted no part of ........ they are about the only ones with enough manhood to stand up with us to fight one of the modern threats of today, Islamic Jihadists, who are the more dangerous because small minded sheeple believe they are no threat. ........ We may be known as the Worst Generation if we don’t fight the LDGs AND their creation, the Jihadists. Keep throwing the hate of Bush/Chaney/CIA/US Military around and we will all fall into the hands of the LDGs. We have way too many dangers in this world that are more important than to go around blaming every odd event on the boogie men of today; Bush, Chaney, CIA, Military Industrial Complex, blah, blah, blah. While you waste your time with your myths, the real Gadiantons are laughing at you guys and doing their work without opposition. Stop wasting your time on Conspiracies Myths. There are other gospel subjects besides the Secret Combinations and Gadiantons. We know they exist, got it. Where has it gotten us but closer to the NWO? Ever see a magic show? The trick is to distract the audience and use smoke and mirrors. This way they won’t know how the beautiful assistant disappears and then re-appears. CIA, Illuminati, Bohemian grove, Skull & Bones, 1001 Club, Le Cercle, Pilgrims Society, Bilderberg Group, CFR, etc, they are the distraction while the REAL Master Mahan is doing his work and laughing at us.

larsenb wrote:Marc, OMD,

You're both on deck. Dr. Jones has an invitation for you on his new thread: 9/11 Evidence: starting with peer-reviewed "Fourteen Points".

If you join in with enthusiasm, it may shed some light on the whole controversy opened up in this thread. It's your chance to participate in a scientific discussion. Go for it.

I'm certainly looking forward to the exchange.