Eternal Weight of Glory

[righteousrepublic]

Anyone wondered about this

What is the connection between suffering and receiving a higher weight of glory? Everyone suffers in one way or another. Some are racked with pain every day, some are riddled with the pain of arthritis, rheumatism, cancer, tumors, etc.
But for those who bear pain and suffering well, it is said they gain more glory. Why is this
Conversely, when someone complains incessantly, yells and screams in self pity, they get condemnation. Why

Doctrine and Covenants 63:66
66 These things remain to overcome through patience, that such may receive a more exceeding and eternal weight of glory, otherwise, a greater condemnation. Amen.

[The Airbender]

Didn't Christ receive the greatest glory after experiencing the greatest suffering?

[righteousrepublic]

Didn't Christ receive the greatest glory after experiencing the greatest suffering?

Yes, but what is the connection? I'm not asking how much pain a person can handle. I'm asking why there must be a higher level of suffering in order to obtain a higher glory? There must be a connection. What is it?

[TrueIntent]

It’s not physical suffering. It’s mental. It’s the great disparity and finding the center at which we find rest which is peace. Jacob wrestles this angel, and calls this place pineal. Physical suffering is nothing compared to this. It’s why he swear great drops of blood (soldiers did this on the battlefield before wAr....it’s a true condition). It’s the mental suffering he endures in the garden to remain “awake” while others slept.

[righteousrepublic]

It’s not physical suffering. It’s mental. It’s the great disparity and finding the center at which we find rest which is peace. Jacob wrestles this angel, and calls this place pineal. Physical suffering is nothing compared to this. It’s why he swear great drops of blood (soldiers did this on the battlefield before wAr....it’s a true condition). It’s the mental suffering he endures in the garden to remain “awake” while others slept.

I'll attempt to pose the question a different way. If a parson lives to be 100 having had no pain, no sickness, no broken bones, no bodily aches and pains, no ear aches, no bad teeth pulled, no scraps and bruises, no headaches, no skin problems, I mean nothing by way of pain, would that person gain a weighty level of glory?
What makes having pain the factor in gaining higher glory?

[TrueIntent]

It’s not physical suffering. It’s mental. It’s the great disparity and finding the center at which we find rest which is peace. Jacob wrestles this angel, and calls this place pineal. Physical suffering is nothing compared to this. It’s why he swear great drops of blood (soldiers did this on the battlefield before wAr....it’s a true condition). It’s the mental suffering he endures in the garden to remain “awake” while others slept.

I'll attempt to pose the question a different way. If a parson lives to be 100 having had no pain, no sickness, no broken bones, no bodily aches and pains, no ear aches, no bad teeth pulled, no scraps and bruises, no headaches, no skin problems, I mean nothing by way of pain, would that person gain a weighty level of glory?
What makes having pain the factor in gaining higher glory?

I don’t think you have to have pain. But there are certain people who overcome to show others the way back. So pain, in my book, is not required. But in Satan’s world, there is suffering. It’s overcoming Satan’s world with Satan’s lies. Also, Christ was fulfilling everything the prophets prophesied in scripture. They prophesied crucidixrion and suffering. So he fulfilled just that. More glory is more love. To love more, we overcome more. But I don’t believe pain is required. Or suffering. Christ says he desires mercy.

If the prophets had prophesied something different, maybe he would have fulfilled that. He suffered so that he could succor us, and be acquainted with grief.

[The Airbender]

Didn't Christ receive the greatest glory after experiencing the greatest suffering?

Yes, but what is the connection? I'm not asking how much pain a person can handle. I'm asking why there must be a higher level of suffering in order to obtain a higher glory? There must be a connection. What is it?

My understanding is that proxy salvation is how you bless others. The more suffering, the more power you have to save others. By suffering to the degree he did, he was allowed to save as many as he did.

Having power in the priesthood means having others who obey you. This includes all matter in the universe, it obeys the Gods. I believe it is by raising gods who can command the elements that other Gods are glorified. Therefore, by saving us, Christ is given more power and glory. He redeemed all things on this planet from the fall.

That's how I think of it, anyway. We suffer and by so doing, we are given power to save others.

[Lyster]

A baby that passes receives the greatest glory with the least suffering.

[righteousrepublic]

A baby that passes receives the greatest glory with the least suffering.

So what makes suffering so important for those that continue to live in mortality? It appears that some souls do not have to suffer, while others do.

[Lyster]

Perhaps "suffering" isn't the goal. Perhaps the word "endure" in "endure to the end" means more along the lines of an endurance race.

In an endurance race, one can't simply suffer through the whole thing. One has to be strong through the entire thing.

So, too, we come to learn to be empowered from on high, rather than suffer to earn an opposing reward.

[Rand]

We learn through our experiences. The more intense the experience, the more lesson able it is. Those who delve deeper in the depths of experience, seem to have an advantage in the learning category, both now and in the world to come. But, just because we suffer, doesn't mean we get to learn. But, learning seems to be deeper in the depths of experience.

[righteousrepublic]

We learn through our experiences. The more intense the experience, the more lesson able it is. Those who delve deeper in the depths of experience, seem to have an advantage in the learning category, both now and in the world to come. But, just because we suffer, doesn't mean we get to learn. But, learning seems to be deeper in the depths of experience.

Here is something to think about.

1 Peter 4
1 Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin;
15 But let none of you suffer as a murderer, or as a thief, or as an evildoer, or as a busybody in other men’s matters.
16 Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf.
19 Wherefore let them that suffer according to the will of God commit the keeping of their souls to him in well doing, as unto a faithful Creator.

[Lyster]

If we do suffer for Christ's sake, He will have mercy upon us and make it right. But, if we never do, that doesn't mean you're "less rewarded" or anything like that. Are you trying to figure out how much to suffer to gain the greatest reward?

[righteousrepublic]

If we do suffer for Christ's sake, He will have mercy upon us and make it right. But, if we never do, that doesn't mean you're "less rewarded" or anything like that. Are you trying to figure out how much to suffer to gain the greatest reward?

Nope. I'm trying to figure out why obtaining a weightier glory requires suffering.
I do know that God will push us to our limits in many ways, but why so much suffering just to gain glory.

Acts 14:22
22 Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God.

John 16:33
33 These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.

2 Ne. 2:2
2 Nevertheless, Jacob, my firstborn in the wilderness, thou knowest the greatness of God; and he shall consecrate thine afflictions for thy gain.

But what is the connection?

[BackBlast]

A baby that passes receives the greatest glory with the least suffering.

A baby that passes ultimately goes to the celestial kingdom. That does not necessarily mean they will also receive the greatest glory. There are multiple subdivisions within the celestial kingdom itself and their end destination isn't known, if it is even the same. I don't think we have very clear answers on this point.

My best guess is that most of those who chose this route have settled upon their reward, offered and accepted in premortality. Subsequently they need not be tried here in a possible roll of the dice for something potentially greater.

[BackBlast]

What is the connection between suffering and receiving a higher weight of glory?

Suffering is a characteristic of those who posses charity. Without the capacity one will have little ability to help other agents to become better.

[righteousrepublic]

What is the connection between suffering and receiving a higher weight of glory?

Suffering is a characteristic of those who posses charity. Without the capacity one will have little ability to help other agents to become better.

Is there a scripture to back this up?

We have scriptures telling us that God tsts the reins and heart of the righteous, but for what reason?

Psalm 26:2
2 Examine me, O Lord, and prove me; try my reins and my heart.

Psalm 7:9
9 Oh let the wickedness of the wicked come to an end; but establish the just: for the righteous God trieth the hearts and reins.

Jeremiah 11:20
20 But, O Lord of hosts, that judgest righteously, that triest the reins and the heart, let me see thy vengeance on them: for unto thee have I revealed my cause.

Revelation 2:23
23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.

Prov. 17:3
3 The fining pot is for silver, and the furnace for gold: but the Lord trieth the hearts.

And maybe the meaning of these verses have nothing to do with suffering.

Jer. 17:10
10 I the Lord search the heart, I try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings.

[BackBlast]

Suffering is a characteristic of those who posses charity. Without the capacity one will have little ability to help other agents to become better.

Is there a scripture to back this up?

1 Corinthians 13:4

4 Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,

Moroni 7:45

45 And charity suffereth long, and is kind, and envieth not, and is not puffed up, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil, and rejoiceth not in iniquity but rejoiceth in the truth, beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.

We have scriptures telling us that God tsts the reins and heart of the righteous, but for what reason?

If you look at what Christ has done for us, and he told us to do as he does. I interpret this more broadly in that the life of a celestial being involves some levels of sacrifice and suffering to help the rising children to be better. Much as we do in this life.