Mary Magdalene and her relationship with Jesus

[TrueIntent]

the illuminati believes he has 2 wives

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The two Owls (Wives) of the God Messiah, on either side; with the great Bull`Horns of Power and Fertility. After all, the God of the Bible is in fact El the Bull God.

So it was typed in Moses, who married his two women, and who came from His Mount with the dual Horns of God of fertility and might.

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In regards to the original post, I contend it is doctrinally impossible for Jesus to have been unmarried. I contend that if it weren’t so, not only would it have been impossible for Him to perform the Atonement, but even work the most basic of miracles. Priesthood power - real Priesthood power - has always been achieved through sexuality; hence the all-encompassing importance of the Woman. Hence the jealousy and bitterness of the devil. Hence the hidden nature of Heavenly Mother, and Eve.

This is the great secret of the “fruits” of “Eden”. He with an ear to hear let him hear.

Um.....the fruits were spiritual fruits. Remember god opens the womb of Sarah. God names issac. Abraham names Ishmael. Sarah doesn’t opening it by offering Hagar. It’s a marriage covenant not a polygamy covenant. The serpent on the cross is the serpent raised up around the word (staff or rod). And might the dual horns also be the same symbol of “cloven tongues”?

Fertility is part of all of this. But there is a counterfeit. Was Christ born of a virgin because God needed a man to do it? No . God can raise “seed” up all by himself. I don’t understand how people don’t understand that. We are under a covenant of grace not works.

P.s. the Illuminati also performed cultic sex rituals. The movie eyes wide shut is a spin off of Illuminati practices sensationalized but the reality is....that stuff really happened (and maybe still does). Gross right.

Spiritual fruits?

I say spiritual and physical. Men have some comprehension of what the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil is. They have even less of what the fruit of the tree of life is.

I would wager its impossible to know who Adam is, who Eve is, or the Gods of the Endowment until coming to an understanding of these basic facts.

Horns and cloven tongues? Two symbols of the same person, the TORAH (the TOR of YAH), the Bull of Jehovah.

Claven tongues? Serpent imagery:

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Nuwa and Fuxi of Chinese mythology, twin serpents, the God bearing the Square, the Goddess the Compass, by which they measured and created the uni-verse (one-song, one flesh):

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The twin serpents of Adam & Eve ascending the stairway to heaven, and the righteous of their offspring with them:

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I know that the wicked perform sexual cultic rituals. The greatest lies are formed upon the greatest truths. What they were mimicking will be fulfilled at last in the endtime, and the fiery sword and cherubim who guard the way to the tree of life will be gone, and men may partake freely of that certain fruit, which I solemnly testify is more than merely “spiritual”.

I don’t dispute that it’s not physical, what I dispute is that the lds early saints fulfilled that physical part by practicing polygamy. Where is their physical fruit? I believe we will see fruit in the flesh, I have a hope of that. But absolutely I KNOW it’s spiritual. The physical part I hope I see in my lifetime. So when u testify of this fruit, have you receive some kind of a spiritual witness that it’s comibg? I mean we have the scriptures that point us to men like Christ who are born. But I can testify of the scriptues too (and interpretations). What do you base your testimony on? I have scripture too. I have spiritual witnesses of the fruit of the tree (but nothing in the flesh ..,yet).

[TrueIntent]

"This is another doctrine tainted by polygamy. These roots run deep. Not only have modern prophets and apostles taught he was married, but that he was a polygamist!!!"


Some held to that view but they never really "taught" it. It is clear that such a view never took root in the Church and was spread around much.

The Seer was the Church periodical of the time. The below did not represent fringe thinking. This was mainstream thought.

“... it will be seen that the great Messiah who was the founder of the Christian religion was a polygamist... the Messiah chose... by marrying many honorable wives himself, to show to all future generations that he approbated the plurality of wives under the Christian dispensation in which His polygamist ancestors lived.
“We have clearly show that God the Father had a plurality of wives, one or more being in eternity, by whom He begat our spirits as well as the spirit of Jesus His First Born, and another being upon the earth by whom He begat the tabernacle of Jesus, as his only begotten in this world. We have also proved most clearly that the Son followed the example of his Father, and became the great Bridegroom to whom Kings' daughters and many honorable wives were to be married. We have also proved that both God the Father and our Lord Jesus Christ inherit their wives in eternity as well as in time... And then it would be so shocking to the modesty of the very pious ladies of Christendom to see Abraham and his wives, Jacob and his wives, Jesus and his honorable wives, all eating occasionally at the same table, and visiting one another, and conversing about their numerous children and their kingdoms. Oh, ye delicate ladies of Christendom, how can you endure such a scene as this?... If you do not want your morals corrupted, and your delicate ears shocked, and your pious modesty put to the blush by the society of Polygamists and their wives, do not venture near the New Earth; for polygamists will be honored there, and will be among the chief rules in that Kingdom.”

- Apostle Orson Pratt, The Seer, p. 172

Proved????? Did he really use that word. He proves nothing. Perfect example of wresting scriptures. Thank you for sharing his mentality. Did Sarah not receive a name change the same as Abraham? Maybe Orson Pratt wasn’t one of His children they were conversing about. These guys were also obsessed teaching from Islam. Brigham was called the Mohammad of the West by them.

The scriptures are written in layers like Isaiah. There are name changes. It’s a total joke to me when people quote early LDS leaders saying Mary and Martha were Jesus s wives. Maybe Mary and Martha are the same person. Just opposites of each other. Maybe Sarah was the opposite of Hagar. Name changes, paths. Abram was also Abraham. That’s the first place I would go with my thinking. Why do people go with polygamy. We are not save by works. It’s faith, grace, mercy......what we do (like taking a bunch of wives) does not save us. It’s acts of repentance that connect us back to God. These are offerings with the works of our hands.....like Cain.

[Hie'ing to Kolob]

"This is another doctrine tainted by polygamy. These roots run deep. Not only have modern prophets and apostles taught he was married, but that he was a polygamist!!!"


Some held to that view but they never really "taught" it. It is clear that such a view never took root in the Church and was spread around much.

The Seer was the Church periodical of the time. The below did not represent fringe thinking. This was mainstream thought.

“... it will be seen that the great Messiah who was the founder of the Christian religion was a polygamist... the Messiah chose... by marrying many honorable wives himself, to show to all future generations that he approbated the plurality of wives under the Christian dispensation in which His polygamist ancestors lived.
“We have clearly show that God the Father had a plurality of wives, one or more being in eternity, by whom He begat our spirits as well as the spirit of Jesus His First Born, and another being upon the earth by whom He begat the tabernacle of Jesus, as his only begotten in this world. We have also proved most clearly that the Son followed the example of his Father, and became the great Bridegroom to whom Kings' daughters and many honorable wives were to be married. We have also proved that both God the Father and our Lord Jesus Christ inherit their wives in eternity as well as in time... And then it would be so shocking to the modesty of the very pious ladies of Christendom to see Abraham and his wives, Jacob and his wives, Jesus and his honorable wives, all eating occasionally at the same table, and visiting one another, and conversing about their numerous children and their kingdoms. Oh, ye delicate ladies of Christendom, how can you endure such a scene as this?... If you do not want your morals corrupted, and your delicate ears shocked, and your pious modesty put to the blush by the society of Polygamists and their wives, do not venture near the New Earth; for polygamists will be honored there, and will be among the chief rules in that Kingdom.”

- Apostle Orson Pratt, The Seer, p. 172

Proved????? Did he really use that word. He proves nothing. Perfect example of wresting scriptures. Thank you for sharing his mentality. Did Sarah not receive a name change the same as Abraham? Maybe Orson Pratt wasn’t one of His children they were conversing about. These guys were also obsessed teaching from Islam. Brigham was called the Mohammad of the West by them.

The scriptures are written in layers like Isaiah. There are name changes. It’s a total joke to me when people quote early LDS leaders saying Mary and Martha were Jesus s wives. Maybe Mary and Martha are the same person. Just opposites of each other. Maybe Sarah was the opposite of Hagar. Name changes, paths. Abram was also Abraham. That’s the first place I would go with my thinking. Why do people go with polygamy. We are not save by works. It’s faith, grace, mercy......what we do (like taking a bunch of wives) does not save us. It’s acts of repentance that connect us back to God. These are offerings with the works of our hands.....like Cain.

Yes he did say proved. The Utah church believed that the Prophet and apostles were Prophets, Seers, and Revelators. They believed that God pronounced his will through them. It is a blatant lie to excuse these types of doctrines as, "Just opinions", "never taught", "only a small fraction", this stuff was what the Church was all about.

Saying that Abraham and Jacob were polygamists, only get you so far... If polygamy was the central doctrine of the Church (yes, it absolutely was), how better to get everyone onboard than to say God himself is a polygamist? To say Jesus was a polygamist? The more I learn about the topic of polygamy the more I find our mainstay doctrines interwoven with polygamy.

Jesus was not a polygamist. The evidence we have suggests he was not married. If he was married and had children, there is a host of complex theological issues that need to be wrestled with.

[Chip]

"This is another doctrine tainted by polygamy. These roots run deep. Not only have modern prophets and apostles taught he was married, but that he was a polygamist!!!"


Some held to that view but they never really "taught" it. It is clear that such a view never took root in the Church and was spread around much.

The Seer was the Church periodical of the time. The below did not represent fringe thinking. This was mainstream thought.

“... it will be seen that the great Messiah who was the founder of the Christian religion was a polygamist... the Messiah chose... by marrying many honorable wives himself, to show to all future generations that he approbated the plurality of wives under the Christian dispensation in which His polygamist ancestors lived.
“We have clearly show that God the Father had a plurality of wives, one or more being in eternity, by whom He begat our spirits as well as the spirit of Jesus His First Born, and another being upon the earth by whom He begat the tabernacle of Jesus, as his only begotten in this world. We have also proved most clearly that the Son followed the example of his Father, and became the great Bridegroom to whom Kings' daughters and many honorable wives were to be married. We have also proved that both God the Father and our Lord Jesus Christ inherit their wives in eternity as well as in time... And then it would be so shocking to the modesty of the very pious ladies of Christendom to see Abraham and his wives, Jacob and his wives, Jesus and his honorable wives, all eating occasionally at the same table, and visiting one another, and conversing about their numerous children and their kingdoms. Oh, ye delicate ladies of Christendom, how can you endure such a scene as this?... If you do not want your morals corrupted, and your delicate ears shocked, and your pious modesty put to the blush by the society of Polygamists and their wives, do not venture near the New Earth; for polygamists will be honored there, and will be among the chief rules in that Kingdom.”

- Apostle Orson Pratt, The Seer, p. 172

Proved????? Did he really use that word. He proves nothing. Perfect example of wresting scriptures. Thank you for sharing his mentality. Did Sarah not receive a name change the same as Abraham? Maybe Orson Pratt wasn’t one of His children they were conversing about. These guys were also obsessed teaching from Islam. Brigham was called the Mohammad of the West by them.

The scriptures are written in layers like Isaiah. There are name changes. It’s a total joke to me when people quote early LDS leaders saying Mary and Martha were Jesus s wives. Maybe Mary and Martha are the same person. Just opposites of each other. Maybe Sarah was the opposite of Hagar. Name changes, paths. Abram was also Abraham. That’s the first place I would go with my thinking. Why do people go with polygamy. We are not save by works. It’s faith, grace, mercy......what we do (like taking a bunch of wives) does not save us. It’s acts of repentance that connect us back to God. These are offerings with the works of our hands.....like Cain.

Yes he did say proved. The Utah church believed that the Prophet and apostles were Prophets, Seers, and Revelators. They believed that God pronounced his will through them. It is a blatant lie to excuse these types of doctrines as, "Just opinions", "never taught", "only a small fraction", this stuff was what the Church was all about.

Saying that Abraham and Jacob were polygamists, only get you so far... If polygamy was the central doctrine of the Church (yes, it absolutely was), how better to get everyone onboard than to say God himself is a polygamist? To say Jesus was a polygamist? The more I learn about the topic of polygamy the more I find our mainstay doctrines interwoven with polygamy.

Jesus was not a polygamist. The evidence we have suggests he was not married. If he was married and had children, there is a host of complex theological issues that need to be wrestled with.

Right on!

Polygamy absolutely WAS the mainstay doctrine of the church during Brigham Young's time. This fact is hugely understated. There are a lot of these lies.

It's amazing how members, especially church-broke leaders, are utterly oblivious to all this stuff. They can't see it because they made a subconscious contract long ago to never look, in exchange for supposing their position is sound and all is well. They absolutely cannot relate to why somebody would leave the church over these things. As someone said, though, it's not just the history. The ongoing cover up by the church is a far greater crime. It just makes the church look like it's been committed to lying the whole time.

[abijah]

I don’t dispute that it’s not physical, what I dispute is that the lds early saints fulfilled that physical part by practicing polygamy. Where is their physical fruit? I believe we will see fruit in the flesh, I have a hope of that. But absolutely I KNOW it’s spiritual. The physical part I hope I see in my lifetime. So when u testify of this fruit, have you receive some kind of a spiritual witness that it’s comibg? I mean we have the scriptures that point us to men like Christ who are born. But I can testify of the scriptues too (and interpretations). What do you base your testimony on? I have scripture too. I have spiritual witnesses of the fruit of the tree (but nothing in the flesh ..,yet).

Likewise, I don't at all dispute that they are not also spiritual. It bothers me, when I hear people arguing about things in the Gospel being "spiritual or physical". They need to grow up and realise that everything has it's physical and spiritual counterpart.

I have had personal experiences regarding this subject. I'm reluctant to share these pearls however, due to my only-budding understanding on it, as well as the doctrine being very tender. If you'd like I'd be willing to share my thoughts via pm.

I contend it is impossible for a man to comprehend the fruit of the tree of life, until he comprehends the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good & evil, and how this fruit is a stepping-stone to the greater. I also contend it is impossible for man to comprehend either of these fruits until they comprehend the people to whom they were given, and for what purpose.

[TrueIntent]

I don’t dispute that it’s not physical, what I dispute is that the lds early saints fulfilled that physical part by practicing polygamy. Where is their physical fruit? I believe we will see fruit in the flesh, I have a hope of that. But absolutely I KNOW it’s spiritual. The physical part I hope I see in my lifetime. So when u testify of this fruit, have you receive some kind of a spiritual witness that it’s comibg? I mean we have the scriptures that point us to men like Christ who are born. But I can testify of the scriptues too (and interpretations). What do you base your testimony on? I have scripture too. I have spiritual witnesses of the fruit of the tree (but nothing in the flesh ..,yet).

Likewise, I don't at all dispute that they are not also spiritual. It bothers me, when I hear people arguing about things in the Gospel being "spiritual or physical". They need to grow up and realise that everything has it's physical and spiritual counterpart.

I have had personal experiences regarding this subject. I'm reluctant to share these pearls however, due to my only-budding understanding on it, as well as the doctrine being very tender. If you'd like I'd be willing to share my thoughts via pm.

I contend it is impossible for a man to comprehend the fruit of the tree of life, until he comprehends the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good & evil, and how this fruit is a stepping-stone to the greater. I also contend it is impossible for man to comprehend either of these fruits until they comprehend the people to whom they were given, and for what purpose.

Touché! I will submit u are on to something. I will share a tidbit..... I didn’t even understand that I had received a fruit until I paired it with scripture, I might have just called it supernatural or cool. I had no knowledge, that came later. PM me. I’d love for you to share your witnesses with me. I appreciate the offer. Maybe we can teach each other something. I’m off for the night if you message tonight but i will be in touch. Thank u!