The faith to heal yourself??

[Older/wiser?]

Question for Dr Tanner, have you ever in your line of healing ever been so powerfully guided by the hand of the Lord you knew of His divine intervention in your labors. If so what was the difference, between your normal course of action and the “miraculous” situation.. The spirit of discernment is not always given. I have wondered about people with the gift of healing, we have a family member who I named, found out years later the name meant “Healer” then in their p blessing it stated they had the gift of healing, their duty would then be to seek out an understanding of this gift, and how to use it. I find it interesting that the Lords apostles came to Him unable to cast out or heal or discern a particular spirit, His reply “you do not understand this goeth not out but by prayer and fasting” (Mathew 17:21). So healing is not always done just by faith, the spirit of discernment first seems to play a role, then faith, if the apostles who walked with the Lord daily, seeing the miracles, knowing the Lord personally, failed to discern what type of spirit caused the affliction, it seems we have a greater task to understand how (1) to discern the type of healing needed or not, whether caused by evil spirits, which kind, or the power to heal the cells themselves. (2) to live so virtuous that by the faith we seek, all elements obey becoming knowledge. Is it possible for us to become this type of new creature on our own working for perfection? or is becoming this person brought about by the Lords wine press in our lives bringing us to the point of Having His Mind and Will in all things. Just some simply thoughts, I have had different experiences with healings and spirits.

[DesertWonderer2]

Interesting but will have to resaerch it further to see who statistics are correct: https://healthfreedomidaho.org/faith-he ... he-obvious

[Serragon]

Let's use irrigation as an example. When relying on the rain only, the hand of God is more evident. Prayers and acknowledgements of God's hand have more strength and feeling. With irrigation, the result is no less God's, but since it is predictable and managed by man, we tend to separate the results from His hand in a direct way.

When we are healed, regardless of the method, it is still God doing the healing. If instead of relying on divine intervention directly we use medicine or have the ability to more tightly focus and direct the method the brain uses to heal the body, it is still from God.

We just need to be certain we give thanks and credit where it is due and not feel that we are responsible.

Suppose a man walks into a room with a large machine for which he doesn't know the purpose. He spends years studying it and is able to understand a small piece of it and use it to his advantage. He may be tempted in his arrogance to believe he has created this advantage or that he is mightier than the maker of the machine. Yet his advantage was only possible because of the existence of the machine in the first place.

[MMbelieve]

Question for Dr Tanner, have you ever in your line of healing ever been so powerfully guided by the hand of the Lord you knew of His divine intervention in your labors. If so what was the difference, between your normal course of action and the “miraculous” situation.. The spirit of discernment is not always given. I have wondered about people with the gift of healing, we have a family member who I named, found out years later the name meant “Healer” then in their p blessing it stated they had the gift of healing, their duty would then be to seek out an understanding of this gift, and how to use it. I find it interesting that the Lords apostles came to Him unable to cast out or heal or discern a particular spirit, His reply “you do not understand this goeth not out but by prayer and fasting” (Mathew 17:21). So healing is not always done just by faith, the spirit of discernment first seems to play a role, then faith, if the apostles who walked with the Lord daily, seeing the miracles, knowing the Lord personally, failed to discern what type of spirit caused the affliction, it seems we have a greater task to understand how (1) to discern the type of healing needed or not, whether caused by evil spirits, which kind, or the power to heal the cells themselves. (2) to live so virtuous that by the faith we seek, all elements obey becoming knowledge. Is it possible for us to become this type of new creature on our own working for perfection? or is becoming this person brought about by the Lords wine press in our lives bringing us to the point of Having His Mind and Will in all things. Just some simply thoughts, I have had different experiences with healings and spirits.

I do not believe we can do it alone. Afterall, these gifts both discernment and healing come from God.

The other thing about gifts is we have to develop them. If one is given a gift then they have a great advantage but still have much to learn about their gift (s).

The apostles might not have known because they didn't have discernment of spirits or they likely didn't have it developed either. They also lacked experience, maybe?

I like to think of gifts as having degrees or levels. Given the gift to discern is really a wonderful ability but more levels of understanding and abilities will be achieved as the person learns how it operates and how to operate with it.

[Finrock]

This experience was very educational to me. I learned some very important things about healing, faith, and priesthood:

This last Sunday my 5 month old son was sick. He had a stuffy nose and had a low fever (99 - 100). I gave him a blessing anointing him with oil and then sealing the anointing myself and pronouncing the blessing. I don't recall every word but in the blessing I promised that my son would start feeling better and be healed. After the blessing my son was still looking sick and acting uncomfortable. Nonetheless, we took our son to church with the rest of the family. As church progressed on my son started acting more and more sick. We had brought our second vehicle just in case and so my wife decided to go home early so she could take care of our son.

Up to this point my son has never had any medicine. Because our son was starting to become more sick and cranky my wife wanted to give him some Tylenol. To be honest I was a bit resistant to giving Tylenol at that very moment because I believe God is stronger than Tylenol. But, I agreed that if the fever reached 102 to give him some Tylenol. We checked his temperature and it was 103. My wife then gave him an infant dose of Tylenol.

About 30 minutes later our son started feeling better. We checked his temperature after giving the Tylenol and it was 99 - 100. This lasted about four and a half hours. After this point the medicine wore off and our son (right at bedtime) started getting cranky and feeling sick again. My wife checked his temperature and she measured almost 103 again (102.5). I was cradling my son. I know that 103 is not a time to get worried yet, however, clearly my son was uncomfortable and in pain. I wanted him to be better. I felt impressed to get a cloth and to wet it. I wet the cloth and put it on his forehead and took my son downstairs where it was dark, quiet, and where I had some machines that make a noise that is soothing to my son. As I was holding my crying son, with this cloth draping over his head, I began to "pray over him". My state of mind was one of a desire to end suffering. I felt empathy for my son. I also felt a little bit confused why the blessing doesn't work but the Tylenol does. I began to explain to my son, that I'm not quiet sure about everything. However, I do know that God has power to heal. I began a process of speaking to my son while at the same time praying to God. In this prayer/blessing I relayed to my son that God has healed me before. Mentally I returned back to the experience I had when God healed me of my mental anguish and depression. This gave me confidence that God could heal my son because I knew He had healed me. At the same time, I felt resigned that God is in control but I knew God loved my son. I knew that He loved my son more that I did. I knew that God has even more empathy and compassion for my son than I do, and so I did not doubt that God could heal my son nor did I doubt that He wanted to, but I left in God's hands. This prayer/blessing/talk/plead with my son and God ended in the name of Jesus Christ.

I prayed over my son with sincerity, with intensity, and with humility for about 3-5 minutes. After I ended my prayer, almost immediately, I felt my sons arms and they were now very cold. I felt my sons head and it felt much cooler. Further, my son was now asleep, peacefully. His mouth was wide open because his nose was still stuffed (he looked very cute), so I asked Heavenly Father and Jesus if they would allow him to start breathing easier. Almost immediately, my son kinda shifted, closed his mouth and started breathing clearly through his nose. Excitedly I asked my wife to bring the thermometer so we could check his temperature and confirm what I thought was happening. I removed the wet cloth from my sons forehead while my wife got the thermometer. We measured his temperature on his forehead and beneath his forehead. Where his head touched my arm it measured 99 - 100. On the forehead, the temperature was 98.7. The fever was essentially gone. Our sons temperature hovered around 99 for the rest of the night. His fever did not return and he slept comfortably all night long. The next day, my son was still completely healed.

-Finrock

[MMbelieve]

This experience was very educational to me. I learned some very important things about healing, faith, and priesthood:

This last Sunday my 5 month old son was sick. He had a stuffy nose and had a low fever (99 - 100). I gave him a blessing anointing him with oil and then sealing the anointing myself and pronouncing the blessing. I don't recall every word but in the blessing I promised that my son would start feeling better and be healed. After the blessing my son was still looking sick and acting uncomfortable. Nonetheless, we took our son to church with the rest of the family. As church progressed on my son started acting more and more sick. We had brought our second vehicle just in case and so my wife decided to go home early so she could take care of our son.

Up to this point my son has never had any medicine. Because our son was starting to become more sick and cranky my wife wanted to give him some Tylenol. To be honest I was a bit resistant to giving Tylenol at that very moment because I believe God is stronger than Tylenol. But, I agreed that if the fever reached 102 to give him some Tylenol. We checked his temperature and it was 103. My wife then gave him an infant dose of Tylenol.

About 30 minutes later our son started feeling better. We checked his temperature after giving the Tylenol and it was 99 - 100. This lasted about four and a half hours. After this point the medicine wore off and our son (right at bedtime) started getting cranky and feeling sick again. My wife checked his temperature and she measured almost 103 again (102.5). I was cradling my son. I know that 103 is not a time to get worried yet, however, clearly my son was uncomfortable and in pain. I wanted him to be better. I felt impressed to get a cloth and to wet it. I wet the cloth and put it on his forehead and took my son downstairs where it was dark, quiet, and where I had some machines that make a noise that is soothing to my son. As I was holding my crying son, with this cloth draping over his head, I began to "pray over him". My state of mind was one of a desire to end suffering. I felt empathy for my son. I also felt a little bit confused why the blessing doesn't work but the Tylenol does. I began to explain to my son, that I'm not quiet sure about everything. However, I do know that God has power to heal. I began a process of speaking to my son while at the same time praying to God. In this prayer/blessing I relayed to my son that God has healed me before. Mentally I returned back to the experience I had when God healed me of my mental anguish and depression. This gave me confidence that God could heal my son because I knew He had healed me. At the same time, I felt resigned that God is in control but I knew God loved my son. I knew that He loved my son more that I did. I knew that God has even more empathy and compassion for my son than I do, and so I did not doubt that God could heal my son nor did I doubt that He wanted to, but I left in God's hands. This prayer/blessing/talk/plead with my son and God ended in the name of Jesus Christ.

I prayed over my son with sincerity, with intensity, and with humility for about 3-5 minutes. After I ended my prayer, almost immediately, I felt my sons arms and they were now very cold. I felt my sons head and it felt much cooler. Further, my son was now asleep, peacefully. His mouth was wide open because his nose was still stuffed (he looked very cute), so I asked Heavenly Father and Jesus if they would allow him to start breathing easier. Almost immediately, my son kinda shifted, closed his mouth and started breathing clearly through his nose. Excitedly I asked my wife to bring the thermometer so we could check his temperature and confirm what I thought was happening. I removed the wet cloth from my sons forehead while my wife got the thermometer. We measured his temperature on his forehead and beneath his forehead. Where his head touched my arm it measured 99 - 100. On the forehead, the temperature was 98.7. The fever was essentially gone. Our sons temperature hovered around 99 for the rest of the night. His fever did not return and he slept comfortably all night long. The next day, my son was still completely healed.

-Finrock

I have a similar experience with my son. It's an absolutely beautiful learning experience as we acknowledge our children as God's children as well and involve God in our parenting. It's a submissive stance to take and beyond powerful in what can happen. My experience was while I was alone with my sick son and I did a lot of talking and praying, much like you described, and I asked for some medicine I did not have. When the conversations were complete I turned around and saw the medicine I needed sitting on the stool.

I gave myself to the service of God in caring for his child, my son. It was beautiful, and he gave me what was needed.

[righteousrepublic]

Please explain why this does not delve into a form of priestcraft.

2 Ne. 26:29
29 He commandeth that there shall be no priestcrafts; for, behold, priestcrafts are that men preach and set themselves up for a light unto the world, that they may get gain and praise of the world; but they seek not the welfare of Zion.

3 Ne. 16:10
10 And thus commandeth the Father that I should say unto you: At that day when the Gentiles shall sin against my gospel, and shall reject the fulness of my gospel, and shall be lifted up in the pride of their hearts above all nations, and above all the people of the whole earth, and shall be filled with all manner of lyings, and of deceits, and of mischiefs, and all manner of hypocrisy, and murders, and priestcrafts, and whoredoms, and of secret abominations; and if they shall do all those things, and shall reject the fulness of my gospel, behold, saith the Father, I will bring the fulness of my gospel from among them.

[MMbelieve]

Please explain why this does not delve into a form of priestcraft.

2 Ne. 26:29
29 He commandeth that there shall be no priestcrafts; for, behold, priestcrafts are that men preach and set themselves up for a light unto the world, that they may get gain and praise of the world; but they seek not the welfare of Zion.

3 Ne. 16:10
10 And thus commandeth the Father that I should say unto you: At that day when the Gentiles shall sin against my gospel, and shall reject the fulness of my gospel, and shall be lifted up in the pride of their hearts above all nations, and above all the people of the whole earth, and shall be filled with all manner of lyings, and of deceits, and of mischiefs, and all manner of hypocrisy, and murders, and priestcrafts, and whoredoms, and of secret abominations; and if they shall do all those things, and shall reject the fulness of my gospel, behold, saith the Father, I will bring the fulness of my gospel from among them.

I'm not sure what your referring to. Can you explain how it is priestcraft, or what here you think is priestcraft.

[righteousrepublic]

Please explain why this does not delve into a form of priestcraft.

2 Ne. 26:29
29 He commandeth that there shall be no priestcrafts; for, behold, priestcrafts are that men preach and set themselves up for a light unto the world, that they may get gain and praise of the world; but they seek not the welfare of Zion.

3 Ne. 16:10
10 And thus commandeth the Father that I should say unto you: At that day when the Gentiles shall sin against my gospel, and shall reject the fulness of my gospel, and shall be lifted up in the pride of their hearts above all nations, and above all the people of the whole earth, and shall be filled with all manner of lyings, and of deceits, and of mischiefs, and all manner of hypocrisy, and murders, and priestcrafts, and whoredoms, and of secret abominations; and if they shall do all those things, and shall reject the fulness of my gospel, behold, saith the Father, I will bring the fulness of my gospel from among them.

I'm not sure what your referring to. Can you explain how it is priestcraft, or what here you think is priestcraft.

Well, healing normally involves two members of the priesthood and the use of consecrated oil for the purpose of anointing the individual desiring a healing.
It also involves performing the healing in the name of Jesus Christ and by the power of the Holy Priesthood.

Are all these things done in this self healing technique?

And just because it is said that many members of the church do it, doesn't make it sanctioned by God.

Why would anyone want to be healed without involving Christ in the process?

Faith is also required.

For example,
Matthew 8
6 And saying, Lord, my servant lieth at home sick of the palsy, grievously tormented.
7 And Jesus saith unto him, I will come and heal him.
8 The centurion answered and said, Lord, I am not worthy that thou shouldest come under my roof: but speak the word only, and my servant shall be healed.
9 For I am a man under authority, having soldiers under me: and I say to this man, Go, and he goeth; and to another, Come, and he cometh; and to my servant, Do this, and he doeth it.
10 When Jesus heard it, he marvelled, and said to them that followed, Verily I say unto you, I have not found so great faith, no, not in Israel.
13 And Jesus said unto the centurion, Go thy way; and as thou hast believed, so be it done unto thee. And his servant was healed in the selfsame hour.

[MMbelieve]

Please explain why this does not delve into a form of priestcraft.

2 Ne. 26:29
29 He commandeth that there shall be no priestcrafts; for, behold, priestcrafts are that men preach and set themselves up for a light unto the world, that they may get gain and praise of the world; but they seek not the welfare of Zion.

3 Ne. 16:10
10 And thus commandeth the Father that I should say unto you: At that day when the Gentiles shall sin against my gospel, and shall reject the fulness of my gospel, and shall be lifted up in the pride of their hearts above all nations, and above all the people of the whole earth, and shall be filled with all manner of lyings, and of deceits, and of mischiefs, and all manner of hypocrisy, and murders, and priestcrafts, and whoredoms, and of secret abominations; and if they shall do all those things, and shall reject the fulness of my gospel, behold, saith the Father, I will bring the fulness of my gospel from among them.

I'm not sure what your referring to. Can you explain how it is priestcraft, or what here you think is priestcraft.

Well, healing normally involves two members of the priesthood and the use of consecrated oil for the purpose of anointing the individual desiring a healing.
It also involves performing the healing in the name of Jesus Christ and by the power of the Holy Priesthood.

Are all these things done in this self healing technique?

And just because it is said that many members of the church do it, doesn't make it sanctioned by God.

Why would anyone want to be healed without involving Christ in the process?

Faith is also required.

For example,
Matthew 8
6 And saying, Lord, my servant lieth at home sick of the palsy, grievously tormented.
7 And Jesus saith unto him, I will come and heal him.
8 The centurion answered and said, Lord, I am not worthy that thou shouldest come under my roof: but speak the word only, and my servant shall be healed.
9 For I am a man under authority, having soldiers under me: and I say to this man, Go, and he goeth; and to another, Come, and he cometh; and to my servant, Do this, and he doeth it.
10 When Jesus heard it, he marvelled, and said to them that followed, Verily I say unto you, I have not found so great faith, no, not in Israel.
13 And Jesus said unto the centurion, Go thy way; and as thou hast believed, so be it done unto thee. And his servant was healed in the selfsame hour.

In the strict sense yes, to do a proper healing you would get two elders and they would anoint and pronounce a blessing upon you.

Do you know how many lds members on in the world? Do you honestly believe that no other people can receive any healing or do any healing than the lds?

If I had positive thoughts, spent time in nature, had healthy conversations with friends and family, adopted a healthy diet and exercised I could heal myself of many probems. Is this priestcraft? I don't think so. This is how I view the OP

This is not necessarily a typical "energy healing" thread.

[righteousrepublic]

Please explain why this does not delve into a form of priestcraft.

2 Ne. 26:29
29 He commandeth that there shall be no priestcrafts; for, behold, priestcrafts are that men preach and set themselves up for a light unto the world, that they may get gain and praise of the world; but they seek not the welfare of Zion.

3 Ne. 16:10
10 And thus commandeth the Father that I should say unto you: At that day when the Gentiles shall sin against my gospel, and shall reject the fulness of my gospel, and shall be lifted up in the pride of their hearts above all nations, and above all the people of the whole earth, and shall be filled with all manner of lyings, and of deceits, and of mischiefs, and all manner of hypocrisy, and murders, and priestcrafts, and whoredoms, and of secret abominations; and if they shall do all those things, and shall reject the fulness of my gospel, behold, saith the Father, I will bring the fulness of my gospel from among them.

I'm not sure what your referring to. Can you explain how it is priestcraft, or what here you think is priestcraft.

Well, healing normally involves two members of the priesthood and the use of consecrated oil for the purpose of anointing the individual desiring a healing.
It also involves performing the healing in the name of Jesus Christ and by the power of the Holy Priesthood.

Are all these things done in this self healing technique?

And just because it is said that many members of the church do it, doesn't make it sanctioned by God.

Why would anyone want to be healed without involving Christ in the process?

Faith is also required.

For example,
Matthew 8
6 And saying, Lord, my servant lieth at home sick of the palsy, grievously tormented.
7 And Jesus saith unto him, I will come and heal him.
8 The centurion answered and said, Lord, I am not worthy that thou shouldest come under my roof: but speak the word only, and my servant shall be healed.
9 For I am a man under authority, having soldiers under me: and I say to this man, Go, and he goeth; and to another, Come, and he cometh; and to my servant, Do this, and he doeth it.
10 When Jesus heard it, he marvelled, and said to them that followed, Verily I say unto you, I have not found so great faith, no, not in Israel.
13 And Jesus said unto the centurion, Go thy way; and as thou hast believed, so be it done unto thee. And his servant was healed in the selfsame hour.

In the strict sense yes, to do a proper healing you would get two elders and they would anoint and pronounce a blessing upon you.

Do you know how many lds members on in the world? Do you honestly believe that no other people can receive any healing or do any healing than the lds?

If I had positive thoughts, spent time in nature, had healthy conversations with friends and family, adopted a healthy diet and exercised I could heal myself of many probems. Is this priestcraft? I don't think so. This is how I view the OP

This is not necessarily a typical "energy healing" thread.

Just asking. I would, however, consult with God and ask if the decision to go that route is right. If members of the church don't want to do this, then I think a red flag would go up. Not wanting approval from God could be problematic.
Lots of people in and out of the church go about exercising their own will and leave God out.

What does Prov 3:5,6 say?

BTW, isn't the word "IF" the biggest word in the dictionary? If

[MMbelieve]

I'm not sure what your referring to. Can you explain how it is priestcraft, or what here you think is priestcraft.

Well, healing normally involves two members of the priesthood and the use of consecrated oil for the purpose of anointing the individual desiring a healing.
It also involves performing the healing in the name of Jesus Christ and by the power of the Holy Priesthood.

Are all these things done in this self healing technique?

And just because it is said that many members of the church do it, doesn't make it sanctioned by God.

Why would anyone want to be healed without involving Christ in the process?

Faith is also required.

For example,
Matthew 8
6 And saying, Lord, my servant lieth at home sick of the palsy, grievously tormented.
7 And Jesus saith unto him, I will come and heal him.
8 The centurion answered and said, Lord, I am not worthy that thou shouldest come under my roof: but speak the word only, and my servant shall be healed.
9 For I am a man under authority, having soldiers under me: and I say to this man, Go, and he goeth; and to another, Come, and he cometh; and to my servant, Do this, and he doeth it.
10 When Jesus heard it, he marvelled, and said to them that followed, Verily I say unto you, I have not found so great faith, no, not in Israel.
13 And Jesus said unto the centurion, Go thy way; and as thou hast believed, so be it done unto thee. And his servant was healed in the selfsame hour.

In the strict sense yes, to do a proper healing you would get two elders and they would anoint and pronounce a blessing upon you.

Do you know how many lds members on in the world? Do you honestly believe that no other people can receive any healing or do any healing than the lds?

If I had positive thoughts, spent time in nature, had healthy conversations with friends and family, adopted a healthy diet and exercised I could heal myself of many probems. Is this priestcraft? I don't think so. This is how I view the OP

This is not necessarily a typical "energy healing" thread.

Just asking. I would, however, consult with God and ask if the decision to go that route is right. If members of the church don't want to do this, then I think a red flag would go up. Not wanting approval from God could be problematic.
Lots of people in and out of the church go about exercising their own will and leave God out.

What does Prov 3:5,6 say?

I believe that we can act on those things that are good without kneeling in prayer waiting for an answer.
I can tell you right now that I do not need to ask God if eating healthy is a change I should make.

God doesn't want us to be instructed in all things but to learn to think and act for ourselves based on what is good and right and true. I believe there is much more to healing than the act of annointing. So much is going on behind the scenes and it's that stuff I'm talking about.

Anytime we harness the life giving power of Christ on this earth, we are accessing healing. Standing in the mountains in peace and fresh air is healing! Actively pursuing healthy and healing things and attitudes is divine in my opinion.

Caring for self and others is a good thing.

[righteousrepublic]

Anytime we harness the life giving power of Christ on this earth, we are accessing healing. Standing in the mountains in peace and fresh air is healing! Actively pursuing healthy and healing things and attitudes is divine in my opinion.

Okay. But I ask again what does Prov 3:5,6 say?

[MMbelieve]

Anytime we harness the life giving power of Christ on this earth, we are accessing healing. Standing in the mountains in peace and fresh air is healing! Actively pursuing healthy and healing things and attitudes is divine in my opinion.

Okay. But I ask again what does Prov 3:5,6 say?

Prov.3 Verses 5 to 6. [5] Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. [6] In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.

You could have just linked it or told me what it said.

I have no issue and see no conflict with my mentality and this scripture. In fact, it strengthen's me.

When you are in tune to the spirit and to God's truth, you walk with a level of discernment and this allows you to know what is right for you and you can adjust and move accordingly. The spirit does guide and it should guide.

Remember if anything is good it is from god. We are told to seek after truth and goodness wherever it might be found.

I would think one having the spirit as their guide can be warned if something is not good, at least it does for me.

[LdsMarco]

I didn't watch the video because I imagine how far they can go. But the truth is that I do believe people can actually heal themselves with faith. It is your body and you can command your body to be healed. That's all I can say about that.

[MMbelieve]

I didn't watch the video because I imagine how far they can go. But the truth is that I do believe people can actually heal themselves with faith. It is your body and you can command your body to be healed. That's all I can say about that.

This a very simple way to put it. And as long as your righteous and pursuing those things of God (which means your operating yourself under his ways) then you can do and act on those things that bring healing to any soul. It's all the power of God if you break it down because all good things are from Him.

[Red]

Please explain why this does not delve into a form of priestcraft.

2 Ne. 26:29
29 He commandeth that there shall be no priestcrafts; for, behold, priestcrafts are that men preach and set themselves up for a light unto the world, that they may get gain and praise of the world; but they seek not the welfare of Zion.

3 Ne. 16:10
10 And thus commandeth the Father that I should say unto you: At that day when the Gentiles shall sin against my gospel, and shall reject the fulness of my gospel, and shall be lifted up in the pride of their hearts above all nations, and above all the people of the whole earth, and shall be filled with all manner of lyings, and of deceits, and of mischiefs, and all manner of hypocrisy, and murders, and priestcrafts, and whoredoms, and of secret abominations; and if they shall do all those things, and shall reject the fulness of my gospel, behold, saith the Father, I will bring the fulness of my gospel from among them.

The indication of priestcraft is if they set themselves up as lights to the world. That is Christ’s role, not man’s. In todays time, i figure if they ask for money to share their knowledge, it’s priestcraft. God’s mercy is free. His will is free. Faith is free.

Ultimately it boils down to how much faith you have and if it’s God’s will. Even the priesthood still works by faith, which is why you’ve heard stories of pioneer women who gave blessings. It’s ALL faith based.

[JohnnyL]

Hmm... For those who profess all healing to be a miracle of Jesus: Do atheists heal?

[Durzan]

Hmm... For those who profess all healing to be a miracle of Jesus: Do atheists heal?

Do they have faith in Jesus Christ?

[JohnnyL]

Hmm... For those who profess all healing to be a miracle of Jesus: Do atheists heal?

Do they have faith in Jesus Christ?

Do atheists have faith in Jesus Christ?

[Durzan]

Hmm... For those who profess all healing to be a miracle of Jesus: Do atheists heal?

Do they have faith in Jesus Christ?

Of course not: "atheist".

Then the only healing they can do involves getting a medical degree.

[JohnnyL]

Hmm... For those who profess all healing to be a miracle of Jesus: Do atheists heal?

Do they have faith in Jesus Christ?

Of course not: "atheist".

Then the only healing they can do involves getting a medical degree.

Not sure how anyone could make that connection. Anyone? Because I see all kinds of healing going on, but not people jumping up and down saying "Jesus did it, it's a miracle."

[drtanner]

It will be an interesting experience when we get to the other side and recognize all of blessings that came from God but that we attributed to ourselves or other things

[XEmilyX]

Satan can heal too. So lets not think that only healing can come from God.
That being said,
Usually it just takes discernment to know if the healing is from God or from the adversary.

I still have to think about this one, that's all I have for this post.

[The Airbender]

Many in the world are teaching a principle these days that if you focus on the "present" (tuning in with the divine, inner energy of the universe, or light of Christ) you can actually heal yourself. "the power that made the body can heal the body" There is a popular documentary now that teaches this and many in the church are ascribing miracles to this principle:

My question is this. Does this jive with gospel teachings or does it go against them? If so how? If not why? Would love to know your thoughts. Another interesting question to think about:

If you can "heal" yourself, how does God's will fit into that equation. What about the faith "not to be healed?" (is this still a miracle and submission requires greater faith?)

One of my thoughts: Probably the greatest example is when the savior asked that the "cup" be taken from him nevertheless was willing to submit to the will of the father. In this instance he had the faith not to be healed so his life could benefit others and the greatest gift in the universe was manifest. What does this say of healing and faith in general?

Please share your thoughts, opinions, and of course if you can back it up with scriptures and words of the prophets even better. If you can't I still would love to hear your opinion and am interested in what everyone on the forum has to say regardless.

PS: even if I have disagreed with you on other threads don't let it keep you from sharing I still am trying to learn to love everyone and want to learn with you.

We are given priesthood over our own bodies. Priesthood is the obedience of those under us. In our case, we can command our body to do things that are against God's will. Therefore, our body obeys us rather than God. All healing is on account of the atonement, meaning it is because of the grace of Christ that we are even able to think happy thoughts and feel good at all.. But we are authorized to use that power that he gives us and I believe that is why we are able to heal our own bodies. We cannot do it without Christ, but it can be done whether or not we know it is because of Christ.The people who don't will one day understand that it was because of Him.