The Creation of our Spirit

[Dusty52]

Has anyone ever wondered at what point were our spirits created?, how is it connected to intelligence which has always existed? Was there a point when we didn't exist and then our heavenly parents did something and we came to be?
It has always intrigued me
Any ideas?

[LukeAir2008]

Has anyone ever wondered at what point were our spirits created?, how is it connected to intelligence which has always existed? Was there a point when we didn't exist and then our heavenly parents did something and we came to be?
It has always intrigued me
Any ideas?

We have always existed as independent intelligences.

D&C 93:29

We were clothed with a spirit body by two Celestial parents in the same way that we were later clothed with a physical body by our earthly parents.

[ElizaRSkousen]

I think our intillegences have always existed but we were 'found' and invited to become children of god and He then organized our spirit bodies for us.

I really like the book "key to the science of theology". By parley p pratt. Lots of good information in there regarding spirit matter.

[Dusty52]

Has anyone ever wondered at what point were our spirits created?, how is it connected to intelligence which has always existed? Was there a point when we didn't exist and then our heavenly parents did something and we came to be?
It has always intrigued me
Any ideas?

We have always existed as independent intelligences.

D&C 93:29

We were clothed with a spirit body by two Celestial parents in the same way that we were later clothed with a physical body by our earthly parents.

In what form did we exist as an independent intelligence?

[Blessed]

Our intelligences are eternal. I do not agree that our spirit bodies were created by celestial parents in the same manner that our physical bodies were created. It certainly is not doctrinal - it's a valid opinion, but one with which I disagree. I'm certainly willing and open to learning about it at whatever point in my eternal progression that it is relevant.

It makes no sense whatsoever to me that a resurrected celestial being with a perfected physical body somehow gives birth to a spirit being. Like produces like. Feel free to disagree, I know most will.

[Dusty52]

I think our intillegences have always existed but we were 'found' and invited to become children of god and He then organized our spirit bodies for us.

I really like the book "key to the science of theology". By parley p pratt. Lots of good information in there regarding spirit matter.

Thanks I'll take a look at that book

[Blessed]

I think our intillegences have always existed but we were 'found' and invited to become children of god and He then organized our spirit bodies for us.

I really like the book "key to the science of theology". By parley p pratt. Lots of good information in there regarding spirit matter.

I agree, my personal belief is that sealed couples are sent to outer darkness on what are essentially missions. I do not know if these couples are resurrected celestial beings or if this is work that is done after death but prior to the resurrection. Well, obviously I don;t even know if this "mission" idea is correct, but it is my belief after years of study and meditation on the subject.

I see these missions being a bit different than we would think of an earthly mission. I suspect these missionaries would draw the attention of intelligences, and that they extend the invitation to the intelligences to become as they are. I believe the intelligences that accept that invitation would then go on to be that couples spirit children in their own round of creation.

I have no idea on the creation of spirit bodies for those intelligences, I just don't conceive (!) that they are created by resurrected celestial beings copulating and producing spirit bodies in that way.

[ElizaRSkousen]

Our intelligences are eternal. I do not agree that our spirit bodies were created by celestial parents in the same manner that our physical bodies were created. It certainly is not doctrinal - it's a valid opinion, but one with which I disagree. I'm certainly willing and open to learning about it at whatever point in my eternal progression that it is relevant.

It makes no sense whatsoever to me that a resurrected celestial being with a perfected physical body somehow gives birth to a spirit being. Like produces like. Feel free to disagree, I know most will.

Many authorities and prophets believed it was that way, then again many probably don't believe it too.

You're right that like produces like, but flesh and bone is different than flesh and blood.

Again I highly recommend "Key to the Science of Theology". It is one of the most inspiring books I've ever read. It is beautifully written as well. Everyone should read it!

[inho]

There are a lot of different opinions on the subject.

Some say that spirits are not created, but they have always existed.

Howbeit that he made the greater star; as, also, if there be two spirits, and one shall be more intelligent than the other, yet these two spirits, notwithstanding one is more intelligent than the other, have no beginning; they existed before, they shall have no end, they shall exist after, for they are gnolaum, or eternal.
Abr. 3:18

Others say that spirit were created, or begotten. Some think that intelligence is the (maybe fluid-like) substance that was used to form the spirit bodies. Others think that an intelligence is some kind of intelligent atom-like entity and spirit is composed of intelligences.

Different church leaders have taught different models. Scriptures can be used to give some backing up for all of them. The truth is, we simply don't know.

Jonathan Stapley has written many blog posts related to this topic at bycommonconsent.com:
Plans of Salvation (if you have time to read only one of these, pick this one)
Tripartite existentialism
Elder Christofferson: The ascendance of the tripartite model
A “wildly popular folk belief”

[LukeAir2008]

Has anyone ever wondered at what point were our spirits created?, how is it connected to intelligence which has always existed? Was there a point when we didn't exist and then our heavenly parents did something and we came to be?
It has always intrigued me
Any ideas?

We have always existed as independent intelligences.

D&C 93:29

We were clothed with a spirit body by two Celestial parents in the same way that we were later clothed with a physical body by our earthly parents.

In what form did we exist as an independent intelligence?

When a young W Cleon Skousen asked Elder John Widstoe these same questions, Elder Widstoe asked him why he wanted to know.

Why do you want to know?

[Dusty52]

It is of interest to me, is there a problem in asking?
Why do you feel the to ask of my intention? Why did Elder Widstoe ask the original question?
Are you some sort of gatekeeper to knowledge?
For me it is just another piece of the jigsaw

[Dusty52]

Does anyone know when the decision was made which spirits would be male and which would be female?
Or didnt that come into it?

[ElizaRSkousen]

Does anyone know when the decision was made which spirits would be male and which would be female?
Or didnt that come into it?

My husband and I talk about that sometimes. I think it might depend on what qualities our intelligence has, and probably also our preference is taken into account. That will be something I look forward to learning!

[Dusty52]

Yes I agree there are some things that we won't know until we pass through the veil, but I'm not waiting until then to find out if I can, I ask these questions in this forum to draw upon your collective wisdom and experience.
I must say I haven't been a member long but my experience has been most positive

[inho]

Does anyone know when the decision was made which spirits would be male and which would be female?
Or didnt that come into it?

I think this is the most authoritative statement on the subject:

All human beings—male and female—are created in the image of God. Each is a beloved spirit son or daughter of heavenly parents, and, as such, each has a divine nature and destiny. Gender is an essential characteristic of individual premortal, mortal, and eternal identity and purpose.

Anything beyond that is pure speculation. (It's okay, and even fun, to speculate, but it is still speculation.)

[Dusty52]

Does anyone know when the decision was made which spirits would be male and which would be female?
Or didnt that come into it?

I think this is the most authoritative statement on the subject:

All human beings—male and female—are created in the image of God. Each is a beloved spirit son or daughter of heavenly parents, and, as such, each has a divine nature and destiny. Gender is an essential characteristic of individual premortal, mortal, and eternal identity and purpose.

Anything beyond that is pure speculation. (It's okay, and even fun, to speculate, but it is still speculation.)

That's a great quote thank you for sharing
That's another question put to bed

[Robin Hood]

Has anyone ever wondered at what point were our spirits created?, how is it connected to intelligence which has always existed? Was there a point when we didn't exist and then our heavenly parents did something and we came to be?
It has always intrigued me
Any ideas?

We have always existed as independent intelligences.

D&C 93:29

We were clothed with a spirit body by two Celestial parents in the same way that we were later clothed with a physical body by our earthly parents.

I think this is speculation at best.
That isn't a criticism. One of the problems, and advantages, of being a Mormon is that we get to fill in the blanks any way we choose.

[Robin Hood]

Our intelligences are eternal. I do not agree that our spirit bodies were created by celestial parents in the same manner that our physical bodies were created. It certainly is not doctrinal - it's a valid opinion, but one with which I disagree. I'm certainly willing and open to learning about it at whatever point in my eternal progression that it is relevant.

It makes no sense whatsoever to me that a resurrected celestial being with a perfected physical body somehow gives birth to a spirit being. Like produces like. Feel free to disagree, I know most will.

You make a very good point.
Thank you.

[ParticleMan]

It makes no sense whatsoever to me that a resurrected celestial being with a perfected physical body somehow gives birth to a spirit being. Like produces like. Feel free to disagree, I know most will.

It makes sense to me in light of teachings of Brigham.

A physical body quickened by blood will die; by spirit, it will live forever (unless . . . .), and this is the state of the resurrected. If a resurrected being partakes of food from a Terrestrial world, such as Eden, in the veins will form blood, introducing the seeds of death into the body. Bodies quickened by spirit produce spirit offspring; by blood, mortal offspring. This, of course, is in reference to each Adam and Eve.

[The Airbender]

Has anyone ever wondered at what point were our spirits created?, how is it connected to intelligence which has always existed? Was there a point when we didn't exist and then our heavenly parents did something and we came to be?
It has always intrigued me
Any ideas?

Intelligence, or the light of truth was not created and neither can it be.

I believe we each are at our core and center a little I AM. That intelligence grows by connecting with more light and truth. Once we have gathered enough, and I don't know how it is done, we are organized into a spirit body. It is a wonderful topic to discuss with the Lord.

[LukeAir2008]

It is of interest to me, is there a problem in asking?
Why do you feel the to ask of my intention? Why did Elder Widstoe ask the original question?
Are you some sort of gatekeeper to knowledge?
For me it is just another piece of the jigsaw

No, I’m just curious. I’m not a gatekeeper for anything. But I do know that a lot of people on this forum play games. And when they’re presented with what’s been revealed on a particular subject, they throw it back in your face.

Pearls and swine...that sort of thing.

[LukeAir2008]

Has anyone ever wondered at what point were our spirits created?, how is it connected to intelligence which has always existed? Was there a point when we didn't exist and then our heavenly parents did something and we came to be?
It has always intrigued me
Any ideas?

We have always existed as independent intelligences.

D&C 93:29

We were clothed with a spirit body by two Celestial parents in the same way that we were later clothed with a physical body by our earthly parents.

I think this is speculation at best.
That isn't a criticism. One of the problems, and advantages, of being a Mormon is that we get to fill in the blanks any way we choose.

I’m not speculating on anything.

There is a difference between making up your own doctrine, as many seem to do on this forum, and accepting the teachings of those who you consider to be inspired.

[Durzan]

Has anyone ever wondered at what point were our spirits created?, how is it connected to intelligence which has always existed? Was there a point when we didn't exist and then our heavenly parents did something and we came to be?
It has always intrigued me
Any ideas?

Our Spirits are formed up of countless intelligence that were bonded together when our spirits were formed. Upon creation, our spirits were a blank slate, influenced only slightly by whatever thoughts and expressions and experiences our intelligence may or may not have had. A spirit is greater than the sum of its parts, extremely durable, usually immortal, and non-coporeal with regards to atomic-based matter.

Interestingly enough, we can learn a lot about heaven by studying what we see here on earth. For the physical is likened unto the spiritual to increase our understanding. Everything on Earth is in the symbolic similitude of what happens in Heaven, although the concepts of mortality don't always translate exactly to Heaven.

In the case of Spirit Birth, the process by when a god and goddess work together to create a single spirit is symbolized on earth by sex. That doesn't mean however, that it functions exactly like sex.

[Robin Hood]

Has anyone ever wondered at what point were our spirits created?, how is it connected to intelligence which has always existed? Was there a point when we didn't exist and then our heavenly parents did something and we came to be?
It has always intrigued me
Any ideas?

We have always existed as independent intelligences.

D&C 93:29

We were clothed with a spirit body by two Celestial parents in the same way that we were later clothed with a physical body by our earthly parents.

I think this is speculation at best.
That isn't a criticism. One of the problems, and advantages, of being a Mormon is that we get to fill in the blanks any way we choose.

I’m not speculating on anything.

There is a difference between making up your own doctrine, as many seem to do on this forum, and accepting the teachings of those who you consider to be inspired.

True, but what you advocate is not scriptural.
Latter-day Saints are under no obligation to accept any teaching that is not contained in the standard works. We are bound only by those things which the Lord has seen fit to reveal to us in that way.
Inspired or otherwise, teachings which go beyond the revealed work are likely to be faulty, incomplete, inadequate, or worse.

So your statement regarding the formation of spirit bodies is speculation.... just not your speculation.

[MMbelieve]

It makes no sense whatsoever to me that a resurrected celestial being with a perfected physical body somehow gives birth to a spirit being. Like produces like. Feel free to disagree, I know most will.

It makes sense to me in light of teachings of Brigham.

A physical body quickened by blood will die; by spirit, it will live forever (unless . . . .), and this is the state of the resurrected. If a resurrected being partakes of food from a Terrestrial world, such as Eden, in the veins will form blood, introducing the seeds of death into the body. Bodies quickened by spirit produce spirit offspring; by blood, mortal offspring.

Christ must have ate celestial food then. Cool. I hope everyone that was with him got to have the same.