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It is my understanding that with the suffering in the world, the Lord does not intervene because that would establish a precedent, he cannot intervene in some suffering and not others, is this view correct, is it tied into our free-agency?
I would like to understand this better!
Can anyone enlighten?

Yes I think that's right, I also think he often just lets things happen as they will, (like a gardener) and that is how we receive our testing here. I don't think he plans every single thing that happens to us.

What a gift it is to know / acknowledge our weaknesses which are debilitating etc. To know is to suffer. To suffer in a state of enlightenment is to cast our burdens at the feet of Christ and be healed.

Ether 12:

27 And if men come unto me I will show unto them their weakness. I give unto men weakness that they may be humble; and my grace is sufficient for all men that humble themselves before me; for if they humble themselves before me, and have faith in me, then will I make weak things become strong unto them.


Hebrews 5:

8Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered.




Show us the proper application of these truths Nephi.


2nephi 4:



17 Nevertheless, notwithstanding the great goodness of the Lord, in showing me his great and marvelous works, my heart exclaimeth: O wretched man that I am! Yea, my heart sorroweth because of my flesh; my soul grieveth because of mine iniquities.
18 I am encompassed about, because of the temptations and the sins which do so easily beset me.
19 And when I desire to rejoice, my heart groaneth because of my sins; nevertheless, I know in whom I have trusted.
20 My God hath been my support; he hath led me through mine afflictions in the wilderness; and he hath preserved me upon the waters of the great deep.
21 He hath filled me with his love, even unto the consuming of my flesh.
22 He hath confounded mine enemies, unto the causing of them to quake before me.
23 Behold, he hath heard my cry by day, and he hath given me knowledge by visions in the night-time.
24 And by day have I waxed bold in mighty prayer before him; yea, my voice have I sent up on high; and angels came down and ministered unto me.
25 And upon the wings of his Spirit hath my body been carried away upon exceedingly high mountains. And mine eyes have beheld great things, yea, even too great for man; therefore I was bidden that I should not write them.
26 O then, if I have seen so great things, if the Lord in his condescension unto the children of men hath visited men in so much mercy, why should my heart weep and my soul linger in the valley of sorrow, and my flesh waste away, and my strength slacken, because of mine afflictions?
27 And why should I yield to sin, because of my flesh? Yea, why should I give way to temptations, that the evil one have place in my heart to destroy my peace and afflict my soul? Why am I angry because of mine enemy?
28 Awake, my soul! No longer droop in sin. Rejoice, O my heart, and give place no more for the enemy of my soul.
29 Do not anger again because of mine enemies. Do not slacken my strength because of mine afflictions.
30 Rejoice, O my heart, and cry unto the Lord, and say: O Lord, I will praise thee forever; yea, my soul will rejoice in thee, my God, and the rock of my salvation.
31 O Lord, wilt thou redeem my soul? Wilt thou deliver me out of the hands of mine enemies? Wilt thou make me that I may shake at the appearance of sin?
32 May the gates of hell be shut continually before me, because that my heart is broken and my spirit is contrite! O Lord, wilt thou not shut the gates of thy righteousness before me, that I may walk in the path of the low valley, that I may be strict in the plain road!
33 O Lord, wilt thou encircle me around in the robe of thy righteousness! O Lord, wilt thou make a way for mine escape before mine enemies! Wilt thou make my path straight before me! Wilt thou not place a stumbling block in my way—but that thou wouldst clear my way before me, and hedge not up my way, but the ways of mine enemy.
34 O Lord, I have trusted in thee, and I will trust in thee forever. I will not put my trust in the arm of flesh; for I know that cursed is he that putteth his trust in the arm of flesh. Yea, cursed is he that putteth his trust in man or maketh flesh his arm.
35 Yea, I know that God will give liberally to him that asketh. Yea, my God will give me, if I ask not amiss; therefore I will lift up my voice unto thee; yea, I will cry unto thee, my God, the rock of my righteousness. Behold, my voice shall forever ascend up unto thee, my rock and mine everlasting God. Amen.


Praise be to our most great King and perfect MOST loving Advocate Jesus the Christ. He is our all in all!

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I have a friend whose ancestor was a stonemason born in England he converted to the church ended up helping to build the Salt Lake Temple
He died at work!
If anyone would be protected or looked after you would of thought he might have been? but no
Nobody is , not even missionaries!

Dusty52 wrote: ↑July 13th, 2018, 11:16 am I have a friend whose ancestor was a stonemason born in England he converted to the church ended up helping to build the Salt Lake Temple
He died at work!
If anyone would be protected or looked after you would of thought he might have been? but no
Nobody is , not even missionaries!

What's important is we are in lock step with God's will for us. In such cases irregardless of what might appear as an untimely / inappropriate death we can be rest assured it was not.
D&C 122:

9...thy days are known, and thy years shall not be numbered less; therefore, fear not what man can do, for God shall be with you forever and ever.

JaredBees wrote: ↑July 13th, 2018, 11:26 am

Dusty52 wrote: ↑July 13th, 2018, 11:16 am I have a friend whose ancestor was a stonemason born in England he converted to the church ended up helping to build the Salt Lake Temple
He died at work!
If anyone would be protected or looked after you would of thought he might have been? but no
Nobody is , not even missionaries!

What's important is we are in lock step with God's will for us. In such cases irregardless of what might appear as an untimely / inappropriate death we can be rest assured it was not.
D&C 122:

9...thy days are known, and thy years shall not be numbered less; therefore, fear not what man can do, for God shall be with you forever and ever.

What a lovely response

Dusty52 wrote: ↑July 13th, 2018, 11:28 am

JaredBees wrote: ↑July 13th, 2018, 11:26 am

Dusty52 wrote: ↑July 13th, 2018, 11:16 am I have a friend whose ancestor was a stonemason born in England he converted to the church ended up helping to build the Salt Lake Temple
He died at work!
If anyone would be protected or looked after you would of thought he might have been? but no
Nobody is , not even missionaries!

What's important is we are in lock step with God's will for us. In such cases irregardless of what might appear as an untimely / inappropriate death we can be rest assured it was not.
D&C 122:

9...thy days are known, and thy years shall not be numbered less; therefore, fear not what man can do, for God shall be with you forever and ever.

What a lovely response