Especially for those espousing M.M.P.
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BruceRGilbert
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Jesef
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Re: Especially for those espousing M.M.P.
Do unto others as you would have done unto you (because you are, it's karma). The Divine in me sees the Divine in you (namaste). There's truth in it. I believe MMP makes a lot of sense - not sure the details of that version are accurate, but it's interesting.
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Re: Especially for those espousing M.M.P.
MMP: Multiple Mortal Probations?
It’s hinted at in the NT when Jesus asked, “Whom do men say that I the Son of man am?” and his disciples replied, “Some say that thou art John the Baptist: some, Elias; and others, Jeremias, or one of the prophets.”. That suggests a common belief in reincarnation.
It makes sense though I believe that trying to figure out past or future lives isn’t important. This time is the time to know God.
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Gottfried Leibniz (mathematician and philosopher) hypothesized that monads are indivisible, with no extension ...and they cannot be created nor destroyed from external principles (windows), but only pop into or out of existence by internal principles. It's a detailed description of perception. If you were a brain surgean, you could see my brain externally & maybe see effects of my brain activity on an EEG, but you could not look into my mind to see exactly what I'm thinking. The mind, like monads is unextended but unlike simple monads, is more complex (with feelings and memories, etc.).
Leibniz rejects universal causation, insisting on internal affect rather than external affect... "…nothing ever enters into our mind naturally from the outside; and we have a bad habit of thinking of our soul as if it received certain species as messengers and as if it has doors and windows. We have all these forms in our mind..."
And although unique and far from arrival at potential, there is a sense of harmony because all are from the same source...
"Now this interconnection, relationship, or this adaptation of all things to each particular one, and of each one to all the rest, brings it about that every simple substance has relations which express all the others and that it is consequently a perpetual living mirror of the universe." "If the representation were distinct as to the details of the entire universe, each monad would be a Deity. It is not in the object represented that the monads are limited, but in the modification of their knowledge of the object. In a confused way they reach out to infinity or to the whole, but are limited and differentiated in the degree of their distinct perceptions."
Reality (all perspectives) is made up of all monads and according to Leibniz, God perceives from all perspectives at once.
And of course scriptures state what we all know by experience - that the way we experience God is within us... "The kingdom of God is within you." (Luke 17) and the essence of our experience of this life is based on our own consciousness... I AM THAT I AM.
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I sense that the spirit realm is beyond our understanding of logic, time etc. Eternal means “beyond time.” And I agree with the Op video that the stories we tell ourselves matter greatly. It’s a beautiful story to suggest that basically we each are unique manifestations of the same source - our Heavenly parents. It feels a bit narcissistic to need to consider everyone as me in order to be kind - and I don’t imagine God seeing us that way. Maybe that’s the western individualistic part of me & possibly we are all-one (but feels a-lone).
Who am I? What is the essence of a person? Isn’t free agency the only thing we really have to offer that is not directly given by God? It seems counterintuitive to suggest that I can exercise my free agency in billions of different - often conflicting ways. Still, I can see the path to loving another is by relating and empathizing with them, which involves seeing the humanity in all. “In each of us is a bit of all of us.” I believe that there is a central thread or tie/connection in us all.
It’s hinted at in the NT when Jesus asked, “Whom do men say that I the Son of man am?” and his disciples replied, “Some say that thou art John the Baptist: some, Elias; and others, Jeremias, or one of the prophets.”. That suggests a common belief in reincarnation.
It makes sense though I believe that trying to figure out past or future lives isn’t important. This time is the time to know God.
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Gottfried Leibniz (mathematician and philosopher) hypothesized that monads are indivisible, with no extension ...and they cannot be created nor destroyed from external principles (windows), but only pop into or out of existence by internal principles. It's a detailed description of perception. If you were a brain surgean, you could see my brain externally & maybe see effects of my brain activity on an EEG, but you could not look into my mind to see exactly what I'm thinking. The mind, like monads is unextended but unlike simple monads, is more complex (with feelings and memories, etc.).
Leibniz rejects universal causation, insisting on internal affect rather than external affect... "…nothing ever enters into our mind naturally from the outside; and we have a bad habit of thinking of our soul as if it received certain species as messengers and as if it has doors and windows. We have all these forms in our mind..."
And although unique and far from arrival at potential, there is a sense of harmony because all are from the same source...
"Now this interconnection, relationship, or this adaptation of all things to each particular one, and of each one to all the rest, brings it about that every simple substance has relations which express all the others and that it is consequently a perpetual living mirror of the universe." "If the representation were distinct as to the details of the entire universe, each monad would be a Deity. It is not in the object represented that the monads are limited, but in the modification of their knowledge of the object. In a confused way they reach out to infinity or to the whole, but are limited and differentiated in the degree of their distinct perceptions."
Reality (all perspectives) is made up of all monads and according to Leibniz, God perceives from all perspectives at once.
And of course scriptures state what we all know by experience - that the way we experience God is within us... "The kingdom of God is within you." (Luke 17) and the essence of our experience of this life is based on our own consciousness... I AM THAT I AM.
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I sense that the spirit realm is beyond our understanding of logic, time etc. Eternal means “beyond time.” And I agree with the Op video that the stories we tell ourselves matter greatly. It’s a beautiful story to suggest that basically we each are unique manifestations of the same source - our Heavenly parents. It feels a bit narcissistic to need to consider everyone as me in order to be kind - and I don’t imagine God seeing us that way. Maybe that’s the western individualistic part of me & possibly we are all-one (but feels a-lone).
Who am I? What is the essence of a person? Isn’t free agency the only thing we really have to offer that is not directly given by God? It seems counterintuitive to suggest that I can exercise my free agency in billions of different - often conflicting ways. Still, I can see the path to loving another is by relating and empathizing with them, which involves seeing the humanity in all. “In each of us is a bit of all of us.” I believe that there is a central thread or tie/connection in us all.
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Elizabeth
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Re: Especially for those espousing M.M.P.
Bruce, The video Is nonsense and a waste of time.
I only listened because I thought you would only post something intelligent.
A lot could be said for the concept of multiple mortal probations, but this video most certainly does not contain any credible answers.
I only listened because I thought you would only post something intelligent.
A lot could be said for the concept of multiple mortal probations, but this video most certainly does not contain any credible answers.
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BruceRGilbert
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Re: Especially for those espousing M.M.P.
There is one who wishes to deceive by speculation and creating doubt in the minds of the "uninitiated." By not entering the tunnel of light, one becomes a disembodied spirit trapped in this dimension unable to proceed and progress. Further, in the realm of M.M.P., Alma 37:11 applies. One must proceed on the basis of FAITH and not FEAR, that God does what is best for His children.
