Will there be new giants in this era?

[nightlight]

These three assertions (first 2 sentences) are simply not correct. These dating methods are used all the time to corroborate historical and pre-historical events and to establish reasonable ages for them. Many, many examples of this . . . too many to really elaborate on.

Because this is the case, it means they are good, practical, logical and scientific methods, not just theory.

But of course, my saying this or even presenting a few of the successful uses of these methods won’t convince you of anything.
Your quote from Joseph Smith is irrelevant to the ‘discussion’ . . . but still a very interesting quote from more than one angle. I have no problem with it.

You said:

"For any reasonable discussion, you will need to cite evidence for your assertion that the earth was made from material from different planets. What is that evidence?"

I give you the quote/evidence from JS on my "assertion" and you say it's not relevant to our discussion???? Lol why's that?

BTW you can't prove not corroborate longer-term radiometric dating. It is a theory........

So we have this...

D&C77
6 Q. What are we to understand by the book which John saw, which was sealed on the back with seven seals?
A. We are to understand that it contains the revealed will, mysteries, and the works of God; the hidden things of his economy concerning this earth during the seven thousand years of its continuance, or its temporal existence.
7 Q. What are we to understand by the seven seals with which it was sealed?
A. We are to understand that the first seal contains the things of the first thousand years, and the second also of the second thousand years, and so on until the seventh.

And this...
Section Six 1843-44, p.350

You ask the learned doctors why they say the world was made out of nothing; and they will answer, "Doesn't the Bible say He created the world?" And they infer, from the word create, that it must have been made out of nothing. Now, the word create came from the baurau which does not mean to create out of nothing; it means to organize; the same as a man would organize materials and build a ship.5 Hence, we infer that God had materials to organize the world out of chaos--chaotic matter, which is element, and in which dwells all the glory. Element had an existence from the time he had. The pure principles of element are principles which can never be destroyed; they may be organized and re-organized, but not destroyed. They had no beginning, and can have no end.6

AND YOU STILL DOUBT???

6k years ago Adam labored on a world that just began its temporal existence.

That could literally mean a couple things besides an overly literal interpretation of the earth being 7000 years old, without having radio carbon dating be false.

First, one possibility is that the Earth was created "as an adult" by the Lord, the same way we assume Adam and Eve were formed as adults. Either that, or the Lord simply used something akin Time Dilation to age the earth up.

Second, another possibility is that the earth is actually ~7000 years old according to God's time, and that humanity as we know it (with human souls) has only been around for about 6 God days. If 1 day of the Lord's Time is literally equal to 1000 earth years, and we assume that God has a Year comparable in length to that of Earth (So 1 God Year has 365 God Days in it), then that means: 1000 earth years (y) * 365 = 365,000 y in a single God Year. If that is the case, then 365000 years *7000 God Years is equal to 2.555 Billion Earth years, which is slightly more than half of the estimated scientific age of Earth. Not exactly within a standard deviation of error, but its within the same ballpark at least. If we factor in that the creation account in Genesis doesn't actually state a specific period of time (The Hebrew words for day, has an alternative meaning in that context that can indicate an indefinite period of time; IE an epoch), then we can safely account for the disparity.

Also worth noting that the oldest bacterial life on earth was thought to have sprung up anywhere from 2 to 3 billion years ago.

Maybe...All I'm saying is we are trying to measure elements that existed before the earth was formed. All we do know is the earth began its temporal existence 6 thousand years ago.

Science dating buildings in Mexico at 12k years old cast doubt on our method of measurements,or sheds light on "secret agendas"

[Fiannan]

Who cares how old the rock is we call earth? It could be a trillion years old but none of that would matter without humans on it. And no, I believe human civilization is far older than 6 thousand years. And Noah lived way further back than 6000 years and I suspect he studied ancient civilizations when he acquired education.

[larsenb]

These three assertions (first 2 sentences) are simply not correct. These dating methods are used all the time to corroborate historical and pre-historical events and to establish reasonable ages for them. Many, many examples of this . . . too many to really elaborate on.

Because this is the case, it means they are good, practical, logical and scientific methods, not just theory.

But of course, my saying this or even presenting a few of the successful uses of these methods won’t convince you of anything.
Your quote from Joseph Smith is irrelevant to the ‘discussion’ . . . but still a very interesting quote from more than one angle. I have no problem with it.

You said:

"For any reasonable discussion, you will need to cite evidence for your assertion that the earth was made from material from different planets. What is that evidence?"

I give you the quote/evidence from JS on my "assertion" and you say it's not relevant to our discussion???? Lol why's that?

BTW you can't prove not corroborate longer-term radiometric dating. It is a theory........but that is not the point of our discussion. . . . . .

AND YOU STILL DOUBT???

6k years ago Adam labored on a world that just began its temporal existence.

The passage from JS that you quote says nothing about the materials used by God to create this world came from other worlds. That was your original assertion.

JS simply said that element is eternal; it isn’t created out of nothing. I have no problem w/that.

Once again radiometric dating is not just a theory. It is used all the time to determine dates of certain rock minerals (i.e., when the minerals were formed or when more recent organisms died (RC dating). The mineral dates are normally substantiated by using concordant methods and by how they fit into stratigraphic successions and crosscutting.

You’re simply talking to the wrong guy when you say these methods are strictly theory. I’ve worked w/RC dating and have worked w/two separate people running their own radiometric dating labs.

When I was at BYU many years ago, we were given a quote from Joseph Smith, saying it would not surprise him that the earth was at least 63 million years old. He probably made this comment in response to hearing about some of the first attempts to date the age of the earth. He was a very open minded guy; as was Brigham Young, who called geology a true science (probably prompted by his meeting w/John Wesley Powell during Powell’s 1869 Colorado River expedition).

[larsenb]

. . . . . Maybe...All I'm saying is we are trying to measure elements that existed before the earth was formed. All we do know is the earth began its temporal existence 6 thousand years ago.

Science dating buildings in Mexico at 12k years old cast doubt on our method of measurements,or sheds light on "secret agendas"

OK. You've illuminated the problem. It's based on a misunderstanding of what is being dated.

When geologists date rocks using radiometric methods, they are basically dating mineral formation, not any age of the elements, per se . . . . except they are workng w/radionuclides that decay into different elements, so in a sense they are dating the beginning of when a particular 'daughter' element started forming.

Regarding your comments about "Science dating buildings in Mexico", you would have to supply the original paper presenting this data and methods used before I could comment on it. It also shows more confusion. Science doesn't date anything; individuals do. Which raises the questions: What method did they use? Have they used the method accurately? Did they account for contamination? etc., etc.

[nightlight]

These three assertions (first 2 sentences) are simply not correct. These dating methods are used all the time to corroborate historical and pre-historical events and to establish reasonable ages for them. Many, many examples of this . . . too many to really elaborate on.

Because this is the case, it means they are good, practical, logical and scientific methods, not just theory.

But of course, my saying this or even presenting a few of the successful uses of these methods won’t convince you of anything.
Your quote from Joseph Smith is irrelevant to the ‘discussion’ . . . but still a very interesting quote from more than one angle. I have no problem with it.

You said:

"For any reasonable discussion, you will need to cite evidence for your assertion that the earth was made from material from different planets. What is that evidence?"

I give you the quote/evidence from JS on my "assertion" and you say it's not relevant to our discussion???? Lol why's that?

BTW you can't prove not corroborate longer-term radiometric dating. It is a theory........but that is not the point of our discussion. . . . . .

AND YOU STILL DOUBT???

6k years ago Adam labored on a world that just began its temporal existence.

The passage from JS that you quote says nothing about the materials used by God to create this world came from other worlds. That was your original assertion.

JS simply said that element is eternal; it isn’t created out of nothing. I have no problem w/that.

Once again radiometric dating is not just a theory. It is used all the time to determine dates of certain rock minerals (i.e., when the minerals were formed or when more recent organisms died (RC dating). The mineral dates are normally substantiated by using concordant methods and by how they fit into stratigraphic successions and crosscutting.

You’re simply talking to the wrong guy when you say these methods are strictly theory. I’ve worked w/RC dating and have worked w/two separate people running their own radiometric dating labs.

When I was at BYU many years ago, we were given a quote from Joseph Smith, saying it would not surprise him that the earth was at least 63 million years old. He probably made this comment in response to hearing about some of the first attempts to date the age of the earth. He was a very open minded guy; as was Brigham Young, who called geology a true science (probably prompted by his meeting w/John Wesley Powell during Powell’s 1869 Colorado River expedition).

Come on dude, reread the quote... Yes elements are eternal... Meaning you are measuring elements( material from different planets) that existed before the earth was formed. You are not measuring when the earth was formed. I don't understand how you cannot see this. The Earth wasn't even formed in this solar system, there's so many variables that you cannot account for. Therefore your long-term measurement are just theories. And once again even if they're semiaccurate you're not measuring when the Earth was created your measuring pre-existing elements.

As for the different methods of short-term measurement:
What do you think about buildings that they date to be 12000 years old? What do you think about them saying men have been walking around for hundreds of thousands of years? What is more likely, the wisdom of men is wrong or the word of God is wrong/misleading?

[larsenb]

. . . . Come on dude, reread the quote... Yes elements are eternal... Meaning you are measuring elements( material from different planets) that existed before the earth was formed. You are not measuring when the earth was formed. I don't understand how you cannot see this. The Earth wasn't even formed in this solar system, there's so many variables that you cannot account for. Therefore your long-term measurement are just theories. And once again even if they're semiaccurate you're not measuring when the Earth was created your measuring pre-existing elements.

As for the different methods of short-term measurement:
What do you think about buildings that they date to be 12000 years old? What do you think about them saying men have been walking around for hundreds of thousands of years? What is more likely, the wisdom of men is wrong or the word of God is wrong/misleading?

Various elements, according to cosmological theory, are produced in suns via fusion. There may be several iterations of this.

Do you know the difference between an element and a mineral? You seem to be confusing the two.

Also, show me where JS’s passage says elements were material from different planets. Waiting.

Maybe this will help: What the longer-term radiometric dating measures is the 'age' of mineral formation, not the age of elements that make up a mineral (except for the age of daughter product elements produced by radioactive decay). Minerals are forming all the time. An example would be the calcium carbonate mineral that forms rings in your toilet bowel, which you can't remove unless you use something like muriatic acid to disolve it.

[nightlight]

. . . . Come on dude, reread the quote... Yes elements are eternal... Meaning you are measuring elements( material from different planets) that existed before the earth was formed. You are not measuring when the earth was formed. I don't understand how you cannot see this. The Earth wasn't even formed in this solar system, there's so many variables that you cannot account for. Therefore your long-term measurement are just theories. And once again even if they're semiaccurate you're not measuring when the Earth was created your measuring pre-existing elements.

As for the different methods of short-term measurement:
What do you think about buildings that they date to be 12000 years old? What do you think about them saying men have been walking around for hundreds of thousands of years? What is more likely, the wisdom of men is wrong or the word of God is wrong/misleading?

So, I’m a dude, eh? Does that make you a dudette?

Various elements, according to cosmological theory, are produces in suns via fusion. There may be several iterations of this.

Do you know the difference between an element and a mineral? You seem to be confusing the two.

Also, show me where JS’s passage says elements were material from different planets. Waiting.

Sorry Mrs

Aren't minerals made up of elements? Even if that's only half right... that's not my point. Even if the material didn't come from an actual planet, it is a pre-existing material that was used to make the Earth, whether it was floating around in chaos or from the glory of eastern Kolob therefore you're measuring pre-existing material not the organization of the Earth.

How long do you believe man has been walking planet Earth?

[larsenb]

. . . . Come on dude, reread the quote... Yes elements are eternal... Meaning you are measuring elements( material from different planets) that existed before the earth was formed. You are not measuring when the earth was formed. I don't understand how you cannot see this. The Earth wasn't even formed in this solar system, there's so many variables that you cannot account for. Therefore your long-term measurement are just theories. And once again even if they're semiaccurate you're not measuring when the Earth was created your measuring pre-existing elements.

As for the different methods of short-term measurement:
What do you think about buildings that they date to be 12000 years old? What do you think about them saying men have been walking around for hundreds of thousands of years? What is more likely, the wisdom of men is wrong or the word of God is wrong/misleading?

Various elements, according to cosmological theory, are produces in suns via fusion. There may be several iterations of this.

Do you know the difference between an element and a mineral? You seem to be confusing the two.

Also, show me where JS’s passage says elements were material from different planets. Waiting.

Sorry Mrs

Aren't minerals made up of elements? Even if that's only half right... that's not my point. Even if the material didn't come from an actual planet, it is a pre-existing material that was used to make the Earth, whether it was floating around in chaos or from the glory of eastern Kolob therefore you're measuring pre-existing material not the organization of the Earth.

How long do you believe man has been walking planet Earth?

Yes, minerals are made up of elements. The age of the mineral (when the mineral was formed) is what is being measured using radiometric methods, NOT the age of the elements that make up the mineral (except for the 'daughter' products within the mineral resulting from radioactive decay).

So, no. The method is NOT measuring age/dates of pre-existing elements, even though those elements may be incorporated into a mineral on the earth. The method is measuring the age of when the mineral came into existence. Minerals can come and go all through the earth's existence.

Also, it may be that some of the elements may have come from destroyed/disintegrated planets, but there's really no way to determine that.

I rather leave questions about how long man has walked the planet Earth, alone. You should understand, though, that I believe that with the fall of Adam and his injection into the lone and dreary world, he brought death to himself, Eve and his progeny . . . not necessarily to all organisms already existing in this lone and dreary world. You have to ask yourself, what made this world lone and dreary?

[nightlight]

. . . . Come on dude, reread the quote... Yes elements are eternal... Meaning you are measuring elements( material from different planets) that existed before the earth was formed. You are not measuring when the earth was formed. I don't understand how you cannot see this. The Earth wasn't even formed in this solar system, there's so many variables that you cannot account for. Therefore your long-term measurement are just theories. And once again even if they're semiaccurate you're not measuring when the Earth was created your measuring pre-existing elements.

As for the different methods of short-term measurement:
What do you think about buildings that they date to be 12000 years old? What do you think about them saying men have been walking around for hundreds of thousands of years? What is more likely, the wisdom of men is wrong or the word of God is wrong/misleading?

Various elements, according to cosmological theory, are produces in suns via fusion. There may be several iterations of this.

Do you know the difference between an element and a mineral? You seem to be confusing the two.

Also, show me where JS’s passage says elements were material from different planets. Waiting.

Sorry Mrs

Aren't minerals made up of elements? Even if that's only half right... that's not my point. Even if the material didn't come from an actual planet, it is a pre-existing material that was used to make the Earth, whether it was floating around in chaos or from the glory of eastern Kolob therefore you're measuring pre-existing material not the organization of the Earth.

How long do you believe man has been walking planet Earth?

Yes, minerals are made up of elements. The age of the mineral (when the mineral is formed) is what is being measured using radiometric methods, NOT the age of the elements that make up the mineral (except for the 'daughter' products within the mineral resulting from radioactive decay).

So, no. The method is NOT measuring age/dates of pre-existing elements, even though those elements may be incorporated into a mineral on the earth. The method is measuring the age of when the mineral came into existence. Minerals can come and go all through the earth's existence.

Also, it may be that some of the elements may have come from destroyed/disintegrated planets, but there's really no way to determine that.

I rather leave questions about how long man has walked the planet Earth, alone. You should understand, though, that I believe that with the fall of Adam and his injection into the lone and dreary world, he brought death to himself, Eve and his progeny . . . not necessarily to all organisms already existing in this lone and dreary world. You have to ask yourself, what made this world lone and dreary?

IMO,the fall Man/earth/animal was all encompassing. What causes our dreary/lonely disposition is the literal separation from God. After the fall, the earth was moved, I do not think anything on it could retain its immortal state in the separation.

No, I said they are measuring preexisting materials. Whatever materials that are used to date the age of the Earth are materials that existed before the Earth was.... You cannot refute this with fact, only worldly precepts.

don't leave it alone...please answer the question on how long do you think man has been walking the Earth?

What is more likely, that the Prince of the World(satan) has dominion over the methods and conclusions of the modern wise/learned men of the world? Or that Adam wasn't the first man , that the temporal existence of our Earth did not began 6000 years ago, D&C 77 and all other scriptures on the Family of Adam and our time on earth are wrong?

What are the spiritual fruits of modern science? The spiritual fruit of modern science is apostasy. It has caused the average man to disregard Adam and worship evolution. If one comes to conclusion that the beginning is false, then everything is false.

How do you reconcile your Babylonian views of the world with the word of God? What rationalizations do you make to compensate for your perceived religious lack of information? Elaborate. ..

The Mysteries of the world are not revealed through the telescope/ microscope.
Stephen Hawking and his ilk are Antichrist. All knowledge that is in this world either comes from Satan or God.


61 If thou shalt ask, thou shalt receive revelation upon revelation, knowledge upon knowledge, that thou mayest know the mysteries and peaceable things—that which bringeth joy, that which bringeth life eternal.

62 Thou shalt ask, and it shall be revealed unto you in mine own due time where the New Jerusalem shall be built.

63 And behold, it shall come to pass that my servants shall be sent forth to the east and to the west, to the north and to the south.

64 And even now, let him that goeth to the east teach them that shall be converted to flee to the awest, and this in consequence of that which is coming on the earth, and of secret combinations.

65 Behold, thou shalt observe all these things, and great shall be thy reward; for unto you it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom, but unto the world it is not given to know them.



12As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths.

13The LORD standeth up to plead, and standeth to judge the people.

14The LORD will enter into judgment with the ancients of his people, and the princes thereof: for ye have eaten up the vineyard; the spoil of the poor is in your houses.

[larsenb]

IMO,the fall Man/earth/animal was all encompassing. What causes our dreary/lonely disposition is the literal separation from God. After the fall, the earth was moved, I do not think anything on it could retain its immortal state in the separation.

No, I said they are measuring preexisting materials. Whatever materials that are used to date the age of the Earth are materials that existed before the Earth was.... You cannot refute this with fact, only worldly precepts.

don't leave it alone...please answer the question on how long do you think man has been walking the Earth?

What is more likely, that the Prince of the World(satan) has dominion over the methods and conclusions of the modern wise/learned men of the world? Or that Adam wasn't the first man , that the temporal existence of our Earth did not began 6000 years ago, D&C 77 and all other scriptures on the Family of Adam and our time on earth are wrong?

What are the spiritual fruits of modern science? The spiritual fruit of modern science is apostasy. It has caused the average man to disregard Adam and worship evolution. If one comes to conclusion that the beginning is false, then everything is false.

How do you reconcile your Babylonian views of the world with the word of God? What rationalizations do you make to compensate for your perceived religious lack of information? Elaborate. ..

The Mysteries of the world are not revealed through the telescope/ microscope.
Stephen Hawking and his ilk are Antichrist. All knowledge that is in this world either comes from Satan or God. . . . . .

For a brief moment, I thot you understood what I was saying. Apparently not. The minerals that are being dated did NOT exist prior to the earth’s creation/formation. However, the elements making up the minerals do have a pre-earth history. So let’s just leave that issue.

My view is that the lone and dreary world was in full operation before Adam entered it. You have a very either/or attitude regarding these issues. I don’t. Babylon has nothing to do with it. Having intimate association w/hundreds and hundreds of pounds of rocks full of thanatoptic (death) fossil assemblages does.

[Alaris]

Are we still talking about giants or does this have something to do with giants that I'm missing? Perhaps there is a thread on how old the earth is, etc

[Durzan]

Are we still talking about giants or does this have something to do with giants that I'm missing? Perhaps there is a thread on how old the earth is, etc

Well, its a related tanget. Most threads usually go off the rails or on a tangent sometime after the first two pages. I suppose I can call everyone to loop it around to the original topic again.

Mod Hat: Alright, lets tie any tangent discussions back into the main topic please. Its just courtesy to the OP. If you want to continue discussing the age of the Earth itself, then there are other threads where that is the intended topic.

[Alaris]

Are we still talking about giants or does this have something to do with giants that I'm missing? Perhaps there is a thread on how old the earth is, etc

Well, its a related tanget. Most threads usually go off the rails or on a tangent sometime after the first two pages. I suppose I can call everyone to loop it around to the original topic again.

Mod Hat: Alright, lets tie any tangent discussions back into the main topic please. Its just courtesy to the OP. If you want to continue discussing the age of the Earth itself, then there are other threads where that is the intended topic.

I could see that - if we had some good, documented data on fossilized giant skeletons then one could argue that it has as much to do with the human race as a neanderthal or that it came from the elements that were taken and organized. I'm not saying I agree with one or the other. I'm open on this one.

[Fiannan]

Okay, two questions:

Is there a spiritual element to our DNA?

Do you believe in the future the Church will make a statement in regards to creating hybrids?

[nightlight]

Who cares how old the rock is we call earth? It could be a trillion years old but none of that would matter without humans on it. And no, I believe human civilization is far older than 6 thousand years. And Noah lived way further back than 6000 years and I suspect he studied ancient civilizations when he acquired education.

Really??? Cuz men with lab coats said so?Because school of men taught you so? Will you teach me these Mysteries of the Kingdom that only come through revelation??? Or is Revelation no longer required because we are so Advanced!!! Because we are such learned men!!! I'm so glad Revelation spills through microscopes today!!!! what would we do without these instruments!!!

23 And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli,

24 Which was the son of Matthat, which was the son of Levi, which was the son of Melchi, which was the son of Janna, which was the son of Joseph,

25 Which was the son of Mattathias, which was the son of Amos, which was the son of Naum, which was the son of Esli, which was the son of Nagge,

26 Which was the son of Maath, which was the son of Mattathias, which was the son of Semei, which was the son of Joseph, which was the son of Juda,

27 Which was the son of Joanna, which was the son of Rhesa, which was the son of Zorobabel, which was the son of Salathiel, which was the son of Neri,

28 Which was the son of Melchi, which was the son of Addi, which was the son of Cosam, which was the son of Elmodam, which was the son of Er,

29 Which was the son of Jose, which was the son of Eliezer, which was the son of Jorim, which was the son of Matthat, which was the son of Levi,

30 Which was the son of Simeon, which was the son of Juda, which was the son of Joseph, which was the son of Jonan, which was the son of Eliakim,

31 Which was the son of Melea, which was the son of Menan, which was the son of Mattatha, which was the son of Nathan, which was the son of David,

32 Which was the son of Jesse, which was the son of Obed, which was the son of Booz, which was the son of Salmon, which was the son of Naasson,

33 Which was the son of Aminadab, which was the son of Aram, which was the son of Esrom, which was the son of Phares, which was the son of Juda,

34 Which was the son of Jacob, which was the son of Isaac, which was the son of Abraham, which was the son of Thara, which was the son of Nachor,

35 Which was the son of Saruch, which was the son of Ragau, which was the son of Phalec, which was the son of Heber, which was the son of Sala,

36 Which was the son of Cainan, which was the son of Arphaxad, which was the son of Sem, which was the son of Noe, which was the son of Lamech,

37 Which was the son of Mathusala, which was the son of Enoch, which was the son of Jared, which was the son of Maleleel, which was the son of Cainan,

38 Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.

D&C77
What are we to understand by the book which John saw, which was asealed on the back with seven seals?
A. We are to understand that it contains the revealed will, mysteries, and the works of God; the hidden things of his economy concerning this earth during the seven thousand years of its continuance, or its temporal existence.

7
Q. What are we to understand by the seven aseals with which it was sealed?
A. We are to understand that the first seal contains the things of the bfirst thousand years, and the csecond also of the second thousand years, and so on until the seventh.

[nightlight]

Are we still talking about giants or does this have something to do with giants that I'm missing? Perhaps there is a thread on how old the earth is, etc

Sorry, just noticed this. I'll stop.

[larsenb]

Oddly enough, Barry Chamish (RIP), wrote a book called Return of the Giants, in which he documented cases from Israel of people seeing and having interactions w/giants. He didnt' take a position of believing the stories necessarily, but was simply documenting the experiences people were having. And the facts seemed to add up that those seeing giants were telling the truth.

[Alaris]

Are we still talking about giants or does this have something to do with giants that I'm missing? Perhaps there is a thread on how old the earth is, etc

Sorry, just noticed this. I'll stop.

Maybe there's another thread on what you guys are discussing, but every time I see an update to this thread I get all excited, "Ohhh giants!" and pop in and ... awww.

With that in mind, I should probably post something about giants.

The Book of Enoch has been central to many of my studies - the later chapters of 1 Enoch align to my studies with the Davidic Servant beautifully and reinforce many things I have learned through study, prayer, and well, personal revelation. As such, I am convinced 1 Enoch absolutely has truth in it. Within the same scripture is a story of the watchers and further expounds on the Nephilim and why God wanted them destroyed. I have not studies these chapters in depth, but since they are a part of the same work where I have found so much light and illumination, I can't help but wonder if these elements are also true. Here is an article with an overview of 1 Enoch and why it resonates.

http://www.beliefnet.com/faiths/judaism ... enoch.aspx

[Fiannan]

If the genealogies are complete, and the flood occurred about 4 - 5 thousand years ago, then one would think the Chinese would have made note of it in their records dating back then, or the Sumerians, etc.

Note: When one says that Obama is descended from King Henry, as is Bush, as is Clinton, as is....does one list every ancestor all the way back? No, just the important ones.

[Finrock]

Are we still talking about giants or does this have something to do with giants that I'm missing? Perhaps there is a thread on how old the earth is, etc

Sorry, just noticed this. I'll stop.

Maybe there's another thread on what you guys are discussing, but every time I see an update to this thread I get all excited, "Ohhh giants!" and pop in and ... awww.

With that in mind, I should probably post something about giants.

The Book of Enoch has been central to many of my studies - the later chapters of 1 Enoch align to my studies with the Davidic Servant beautifully and reinforce many things I have learned through study, prayer, and well, personal revelation. As such, I am convinced 1 Enoch absolutely has truth in it. Within the same scripture is a story of the watchers and further expounds on the Nephilim and why God wanted them destroyed. I have not studies these chapters in depth, but since they are a part of the same work where I have found so much light and illumination, I can't help but wonder if these elements are also true. Here is an article with an overview of 1 Enoch and why it resonates.

http://www.beliefnet.com/faiths/judaism ... enoch.aspx

Genetic testing demonstrates that 93% of genes of modern Lebanese came from the Canaanites.

Source: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/27/scie ... pe=article

The biblical history has become increasingly problematic as the archaeological and textual evidence supports the idea that the early Israelites were in fact themselves Canaanites.

Source: https://books.google.com/books?id=VtAmm ... &q&f=false

-Finrock

[larsenb]

Okay, two questions:

Is there a spiritual element to our DNA?

Do you believe in the future the Church will make a statement in regards to creating hybrids?

There is some research indicating that cell membranes have receptors for electro-magnetic radiation of certain frequencies, even of the light spectrum. LIght, of course, is intimately involved w/quantum phenomenon, which carries the 'baggage' of being susceptible to the spooky characteristics of the quantum realm.

My suspicion is that quantum phenomena (instantaneous communication over distances, collapse phenomenon, non-localized space, etc.) is the bridge between our world and the unseen world. This is where our DNA may very well be susceptible to this kind of interaction.

[Alaris]

Genetic testing demonstrates that 93% of genes of modern Lebanese came from the Canaanites.

Source: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/27/scie ... pe=article

The biblical history has become increasingly problematic as the archaeological and textual evidence supports the idea that the early Israelites were in fact themselves Canaanites.

Source: https://books.google.com/books?id=VtAmm ... &q&f=false

-Finrock

Do you mind expounding on that a bit?

[nightlight]

Are we still talking about giants or does this have something to do with giants that I'm missing? Perhaps there is a thread on how old the earth is, etc

Sorry, just noticed this. I'll stop.

Maybe there's another thread on what you guys are discussing, but every time I see an update to this thread I get all excited, "Ohhh giants!" and pop in and ... awww.

With that in mind, I should probably post something about giants.

The Book of Enoch has been central to many of my studies - the later chapters of 1 Enoch align to my studies with the Davidic Servant beautifully and reinforce many things I have learned through study, prayer, and well, personal revelation. As such, I am convinced 1 Enoch absolutely has truth in it. Within the same scripture is a story of the watchers and further expounds on the Nephilim and why God wanted them destroyed. I have not studies these chapters in depth, but since they are a part of the same work where I have found so much light and illumination, I can't help but wonder if these elements are also true. Here is an article with an overview of 1 Enoch and why it resonates.

http://www.beliefnet.com/faiths/judaism ... enoch.aspx

I also believe that the book of Enoch has truth in it and the Watchers are real.

Satan is Bound for the millennium, after he's let out he gathers his armies and the last battle commences. How could the last battle take place between Michael and other resurrected beings and Satan and his army who are just as spirits??? That's where I believe all this might lead with Watchers and Nephilim... Satan has a plan, and I believe that plan involves creating some sort of body.

Just a theory, obviously.

[Fiannan]

Okay, two questions:

Is there a spiritual element to our DNA?

Do you believe in the future the Church will make a statement in regards to creating hybrids?

There is some research indicating that cell membranes have receptors for electro-magnetic radiation of certain frequencies, even of the light spectrum. LIght, of course, is intimately involved w/quantum phenomenon, which carries the 'baggage' of being susceptible to the spooky characteristics of the quantum realm.

My suspicion is that quantum phenomena (instantaneous communication over distances, collapse phenomenon, non-localized space, etc.) is the bridge between our world and the unseen world. This is where our DNA may very well be susceptible to this kind of interaction.

One wonders if the Nazi communications with outside entities (i.e. The Vril Damen) and many of our tech wizards using LSD and other mind altering drugs to help them connect to other dimensions are related. I have heard the idea that if one's brain is compromised it can lead to a near-death experience so as long as you don't use too much then you do not die, but can meet entities for inspiration. Maybe since God told Satan his DNA could not reproduce with Eve then there are ways that synthetic DNA could allow for him to enter this dimension.

[nightlight]

If the genealogies are complete, and the flood occurred about 4 - 5 thousand years ago, then one would think the Chinese would have made note of it in their records dating back then, or the Sumerians, etc.

Note: When one says that Obama is descended from King Henry, as is Bush, as is Clinton, as is....does one list every ancestor all the way back? No, just the important ones.

The Sumerians and their history is all but lost we have barely anything from them. Their language is very interesting though, I believe Satan gave it to them.

The Chinese(IMO) didn't come about until the Tower of Babel, when God changed the languages. Like you mentioned, genetic research and manipulation is our modern Tower of Babel. I believe Satan heads genetic research for his purposes in bringing about his tabernacle of Flesh. I mean that's what everybody comes here for, that's why everybody came to Earth, that's what the whole thing is about... getting a body.