Will there be new giants in this era?

[Fiannan]

Shaquille O'Neal is 7 foot 1 and over 300 pounds. Where do you draw the line on giants because there are modern day giants and they are basketball players. Back in Noah's day I bet people were normally shorter than average today and NBA players back then would be the ones described as giants.

Goliath was over 9 feet tall.

Yes. However, I have heard in Church before that Adam and Eve were far taller than people today, taller than that. Size is determined by those making the categorization. If everyone was 9ft tall then that would not be seen as tall.

No, not true. Jesus was not only the perfect man,he had the perfect form of a man. He was the prototype of man in all ways. Adam,Enoch,Noah were not three feet taller than Jesus Christ or Moroni, Peter,John, Nephi and ourselves.

Jesus had the DNA of both God and Mary. he was also in the environment of 2000 years ago.

Of course then we get into the issue of how tall people will be in the resurrection. Will Pygmies still be three to four feet tall while ethnic Dutch will be over six feet tall? Will Goliath or members of his family be 9 feet tall?

[Fiannan]

Whoever these new giants are, I will be their basketball coach.

You might be their dinner if ancient accounts of giants are rooted in any sort of truth. Remember this famous scene?

[jsk]

Whoever these new giants are, I will be their basketball coach.

You might be their dinner if ancient accounts of giants are rooted in any sort of truth. Remember this famous scene?

To Serve Man

I love The Twilight Zone!

[ParticleMan]

[Alaris]

However, I have heard in Church before that Adam and Eve were far taller than people today, taller than that.

I have never heard that before. I wonder what that is based on.

Not sure. Seen some Protestant ministers dealing with the era before the flood and saying that Noah was about 15 feet tall. The Koran states that Adam was 90 feet tall while he was in the Garden of Eden.

Since Adam and Eve were genetically perfect and made in the image of God how tall is God in latter-day visions?

From the Apocalypse of Abraham

35. And I looked into the picture, and my eyes ran to the side of the Garden of Eden, and I saw there a man of imposing height and mighty in stature, incomparable in aspect, and he was embracing a woman, who likewise approximated to the aspect of his size and stature.

[nightlight]

Jesus Christ did not grow an extra five feet after he was resurrected! the environment he lived in have nothing to do with the way his body was formed. Jesus Christ is the Prototype of Man in body ,mind and soul. When he appeared with The Father to Joseph Smith they were the same height. Jesus Christ and Heavenly Father made Adam after their own image, not a 15 foot tall behemoth.

The pre-flood world was no doubt spectacular, but men looked just as they do now... the only difference was there life span which was lengthened. when the city of Enoch returns they're not going to be 15 ft tall human beings walking around with us. Use logic people.

[Fiannan]

Jesus Christ did not grow an extra five feet after he was resurrected! the environment he lived in have nothing to do with the way his body was formed. Jesus Christ is the Prototype of Man in body ,mind and soul. When he appeared with The Father to Joseph Smith they were the same height. Jesus Christ and Heavenly Father made Adam after their own image, not a 15 foot tall behemoth.

The pre-flood world was no doubt spectacular, but men looked just as they do now... the only difference was there life span which was lengthened. when the city of Enoch returns they're not going to be 15 ft tall human beings walking around with us. Use logic people.

I only said what was a possibility. However then, if the people of Noah's time were the same size as us then references to giants trying to assassinate him must mean actual giants trying to kill him.

We also have no idea what sorts of biotechnology were being played with. By the way, in the resurrection will there be Pygmies?

[Alaris]

Jesus Christ did not grow an extra five feet after he was resurrected! the environment he lived in have nothing to do with the way his body was formed. Jesus Christ is the Prototype of Man in body ,mind and soul. When he appeared with The Father to Joseph Smith they were the same height. Jesus Christ and Heavenly Father made Adam after their own image, not a 15 foot tall behemoth.

The pre-flood world was no doubt spectacular, but men looked just as they do now... the only difference was there life span which was lengthened. when the city of Enoch returns they're not going to be 15 ft tall human beings walking around with us. Use logic people.

You seem to be preoccupied with the things the aren't and what isn't possible. Jesus was able to mask His identity after resurrecting. Could He not mask His stature along with His glory and His identity?

We know the bodies pre flood lived for centuries, so their bodies were indeed different. We do not know if they were taller or not.

I had a brief glimpse once myself and was astonished at how the more advanced beings were taller and the Lord was taller than them all by the height of His head.

I shared a partial account of this experience in the thread Rahab and the Dragon.

[LukeAir2008]

Well I'm 6 foot 5 am I close?

That’s normal for an Angel

[Fiannan]

What one must keep in mind is that once computers are able to determine exactly how to mix DNA from specie to specie the sky will be the limit at what we can create. Yes, all the ancient myths (?) of half-human hybrids (humans mixed with reptilian, or horses or pigs) will be possible if we can arrange such things as circulation, balance and so forth. A mix of reptile and human of course would be pretty easy from a structural standpoint. However, again, will such a creature have a human soul, even if its brain structure is mostly human?

[DesertWonderer2]

There was not a race of giants in the past. The use of the word giant in the OT was symbilic in nature.

There will not be a face of giants in the future.

And yet Church publications state that giants were out to kill Noah.

I’m not sure to what publications you are refereeing, but assuming they do, they are simplly replicating the use of the word used in the KJV. The term “giants” as used in the early sections of genesis are referring to rulers, warlords, big-shots...not a race of people of abnormal height.

[DesertWonderer2]

The same way we are doing it today.

Dinosaurs died out millions of years before Noah. I doubt the giants trying to assassinate him were Tyrannosaurs.

I was intrigued by this topic when I heard someone translate the term "pure" from Hebrew and it was not so much in reference to Noah's morality but to a more genetic context. Were there only a few people alive in Noah's day who were not altered? How much animal or synthetic DNA put into a developing human embryo before it ceases to be a human in "the image of God?" If the creation were polluted by such tampering then it puts the need for God to kill hundreds of millions of people as well as the animals inhabiting the region they lived in a more understandable context.

BUT some people think that Dinosaurs are not that old. The world is not that old and the Grand Canyon could have been formed during the flood. I don't know.

The earth is 4 billion yrs old and the dinosaurs are MANY millions of years old just as the scientists say. The relgious ideas that the earth is 6 days or 6K yrs old is what BRM would call “old sectarian notions”. Its good that these ideas are slowing being purged from the church.

The fact that the earth is that old in no way casts doubt on the gospel.

Wrong...The materials used to make the Earth come from different planets, that is where the confusion comes(IMO). IPlease don’t tell me that you are referring to that silliness about that dinosaurs / other fosillized life that we find in the geologic record lived on other planets, and that God took that material and mashed it up to form the earth then it is you that are wrong. Please clarify what you mean by your statement above.

And how long do believe man has been walking the Earth?????? I’m assuming that you believe that man has lived on the earth for 6K yrs? I’m quite certain it is MUCH longer than that. No one knows for sure. Here’s one example of an advanced temple complex 12K years old. [https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=M7Ybp9nQJaA. It’s quite fascinating—well worth learning about. In fact the more I research this site and what is known about it, the more parallels I see between it and a true temple./color]

Modern scientists pay homage to the Prince of the world. Don't believe Babylonians. I suppose some do but on it’s face, that is a blatantly false statement. Ask E Eyrimg’s father or Talmadge or any of the BYU scientists that teach what I’ve said above.

[Fiannan]

There was not a race of giants in the past. The use of the word giant in the OT was symbilic in nature.

There will not be a face of giants in the future.

And yet Church publications state that giants were out to kill Noah.

I’m not sure to what publications you are refereeing, but assuming they do, they are simplly replicating the use of the word used in the KJV. The term “giants” as used in the early sections of genesis are referring to rulers, warlords, big-shots...not a race of people of abnormal height.

So just regular half-human, half-exalted beings of regular size?

For one hundred twenty years Noah tried to convince the people to repent. At that time many men who lived on the earth were so tall and powerful that they were called giants. They and others tried to kill Noah, but the Lord was with him and protected him.

https://www.lds.org/friend/1994/06/noah?lang=eng

Also:

The idea of intercourse between heavenly and earthly beings was widespread in ancient times. Thus, in the newly discovered Genesis Apocryphon, when Lamech’s wife bears him a superchild (Noah), he assumes almost as a matter of course that the father is “one of the angels” and accuses her of faithlessness until his grandfather, Enoch, whose “lot is with the Holy Ones” and who lives far away, clears up the misunderstanding. Significantly, the name of the child’s mother is Bit-enosh, i.e., she is one of the “daughters of men.”309 The Cedrenus fragment avoids the problem of heavenly origin by identifying the sons of God and the daughters of men with the descendants of Seth and Cain respectively, and he specifically designates the sons of God as the Watchers.310 Recently M. Emanueli has suggested that the various terms are merely “a figure of speech in order to express the depth of the deterioration of that generation.”

https://www.lds.org/ensign/1976/12/a-st ... 8?lang=eng

[Durzan]

There was not a race of giants in the past. The use of the word giant in the OT was symbilic in nature.

There will not be a face of giants in the future.

And yet Church publications state that giants were out to kill Noah.

I’m not sure to what publications you are refereeing, but assuming they do, they are simplly replicating the use of the word used in the KJV. The term “giants” as used in the early sections of genesis are referring to rulers, warlords, big-shots...not a race of people of abnormal height.

So just regular half-human, half-exalted beings of regular size?

For one hundred twenty years Noah tried to convince the people to repent. At that time many men who lived on the earth were so tall and powerful that they were called giants. They and others tried to kill Noah, but the Lord was with him and protected him.

https://www.lds.org/friend/1994/06/noah?lang=eng

Also:

The idea of intercourse between heavenly and earthly beings was widespread in ancient times. Thus, in the newly discovered Genesis Apocryphon, when Lamech’s wife bears him a superchild (Noah), he assumes almost as a matter of course that the father is “one of the angels” and accuses her of faithlessness until his grandfather, Enoch, whose “lot is with the Holy Ones” and who lives far away, clears up the misunderstanding. Significantly, the name of the child’s mother is Bit-enosh, i.e., she is one of the “daughters of men.”309 The Cedrenus fragment avoids the problem of heavenly origin by identifying the sons of God and the daughters of men with the descendants of Seth and Cain respectively, and he specifically designates the sons of God as the Watchers.310 Recently M. Emanueli has suggested that the various terms are merely “a figure of speech in order to express the depth of the deterioration of that generation.”

https://www.lds.org/ensign/1976/12/a-st ... 8?lang=eng

Half-exalted beings as you describe don't exist as a concept as far as I know.

[nightlight]

BUT some people think that Dinosaurs are not that old. The world is not that old and the Grand Canyon could have been formed during the flood. I don't know.

The earth is 4 billion yrs old and the dinosaurs are MANY millions of years old just as the scientists say. The relgious ideas that the earth is 6 days or 6K yrs old is what BRM would call “old sectarian notions”. Its good that these ideas are slowing being purged from the church.

The fact that the earth is that old in no way casts doubt on the gospel.

Wrong...The materials used to make the Earth come from different planets, that is where the confusion comes(IMO). IPlease don’t tell me that you are referring to that silliness about that dinosaurs / other fosillized life that we find in the geologic record lived on other planets, and that God took that material and mashed it up to form the earth then it is you that are wrong. Please clarify what you mean by your statement above.

And how long do believe man has been walking the Earth?????? I’m assuming that you believe that man has lived on the earth for 6K yrs? I’m quite certain it is MUCH longer than that. No one knows for sure. Here’s one example of an advanced temple complex 12K years old. [https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=M7Ybp9nQJaA. It’s quite fascinating—well worth learning about. In fact the more I research this site and what is known about it, the more parallels I see between it and a true temple./color]

Modern scientists pay homage to the Prince of the world. Don't believe Babylonians. I suppose some do but on it’s face, that is a blatantly false statement. Ask E Eyrimg’s father or Talmadge or any of the BYU scientists that teach what I’ve said above.

I will answer your above questions, but first...How long ago do you believe Adam was made?

[Fiannan]

Half-exalted beings as you describe don't exist as a concept as far as I know.

Why did Noah's father suspect his wife had had intercourse with such a being?

[Durzan]

Half-exalted beings as you describe don't exist as a concept as far as I know.

Why did Noah's father suspect his wife had had intercourse with such a being?

Wut? I don't recall reading anything that implied that in the standard works...

But to answer your question... its called superstition based on old corrupted legends.

[Juliet]

I have to admit I have been a Steve Quayle fan for several years. Anything we hear about on the media is going to be 100 years behind the times. They cloned a sheep in 1989, at least that is when they admitted it. So, that tells me they figured out cloning probably closer to 1950s. And I don't know why they wouldn't clone humans.

Lets be honest, mapping the human genome wasn't just a scrapbooking project. There were reasons for that.

Matthew 24:21

For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

[Fiannan]

Half-exalted beings as you describe don't exist as a concept as far as I know.

Why did Noah's father suspect his wife had had intercourse with such a being?

Wut? I don't recall reading anything that implied that in the standard works...

But to answer your question... its called superstition based on old corrupted legends.

And yet it was in an Ensign article when the Ensign carried really deep and intellectual articles.

[Juliet]

So for the giant question, its very possible giants came from genetic tampering in the pre-flood cultures. Some sources claim that this is one of their sins. Also genetic tampering is being done and is warned about in Isaiah.

Right now we have the enviro-pig. The enviropig is tampered genetics with mixing genes from mice, pig, and e-coli. It's all been done already. No doubt other experiments like the person above commented are being done here and in other cultures.

Isaiah 66:17 King James Bible
They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one tree in the midst, eating swine's flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith the LORD.

How do you think they would have done genetic tampering back in Noah's day? I just watched a you tube video where he felt that they created giants and Dinosaurs in that time. I think it says somewhere that some of the animals were evil.

The same way we are doing it today.

Dinosaurs died out millions of years before Noah. I doubt the giants trying to assassinate him were Tyrannosaurs.

I was intrigued by this topic when I heard someone translate the term "pure" from Hebrew and it was not so much in reference to Noah's morality but to a more genetic context. Were there only a few people alive in Noah's day who were not altered? How much animal or synthetic DNA put into a developing human embryo before it ceases to be a human in "the image of God?" If the creation were polluted by such tampering then it puts the need for God to kill hundreds of millions of people as well as the animals inhabiting the region they lived in a more understandable context.

If you believe in aliens, Simon Parkes said the greys lost their god given image by merging with non-biological resources. Doing so trapped them in 4d which is essentially spirit prison.

It kind of makes taking the mark of the beast to a new level. Can accepting a computer implant have a biological impact that literally cuts you off from connecting your dna back to heaven and home? I imagine if our ability to hear the holy spirit is anything like a computer transmitter, then by accepting a 3d communication device into our body might mess up our wifi with God.

As far as animal-human hybrids, I can't imagine what hasn't been done in deep underground military bases. We are just too curious to know what is good for us. I hope that spirits put into such biological conditions can be redeemed and that God stops these abominations as soon as possible.

One thing we know for sure, they are messing with the dna of the food we eat. Such as genetically modified organisms that are spliced with dna from viruses! How can that be a good idea??? If the food we eat has dna sliced by viruses, won't that change our dna if we eat it?

[DesertWonderer2]

The earth is 4 billion yrs old and the dinosaurs are MANY millions of years old just as the scientists say. The relgious ideas that the earth is 6 days or 6K yrs old is what BRM would call “old sectarian notions”. Its good that these ideas are slowing being purged from the church.

The fact that the earth is that old in no way casts doubt on the gospel.

Wrong...The materials used to make the Earth come from different planets, that is where the confusion comes(IMO). IPlease don’t tell me that you are referring to that silliness about that dinosaurs / other fosillized life that we find in the geologic record lived on other planets, and that God took that material and mashed it up to form the earth then it is you that are wrong. Please clarify what you mean by your statement above.

And how long do believe man has been walking the Earth?????? I’m assuming that you believe that man has lived on the earth for 6K yrs? I’m quite certain it is MUCH longer than that. No one knows for sure. Here’s one example of an advanced temple complex 12K years old. [https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=M7Ybp9nQJaA. It’s quite fascinating—well worth learning about. In fact the more I research this site and what is known about it, the more parallels I see between it and a true temple./color]

Modern scientists pay homage to the Prince of the world. Don't believe Babylonians. I suppose some do but on it’s face, that is a blatantly false statement. Ask E Eyrimg’s father or Talmadge or any of the BYU scientists that teach what I’ve said above.

I will answer your above questions, but first...How long ago do you believe Adam was made?

I really don’t know. Modern humans , homo sapiens, have been on the earth FAR longer than 6K years. That I am very sure of.

[DesertWonderer2]

There was not a race of giants in the past. The use of the word giant in the OT was symbilic in nature.

There will not be a face of giants in the future.

And yet Church publications state that giants were out to kill Noah.

I’m not sure to what publications you are refereeing, but assuming they do, they are simplly replicating the use of the word used in the KJV. The term “giants” as used in the early sections of genesis are referring to rulers, warlords, big-shots...not a race of people of abnormal height.

So just regular half-human, half-exalted beings of regular size? Wrong again

For one hundred twenty years Noah tried to convince the people to repent. At that time many men who lived on the earth were so tall and powerful that they were called giants. They and others tried to kill Noah, but the Lord was with him and protected him.

https://www.lds.org/friend/1994/06/noah?lang=eng

Also:

The idea of intercourse between heavenly and earthly beings was widespread in ancient times. Thus, in the newly discovered Genesis Apocryphon, when Lamech’s wife bears him a superchild (Noah), he assumes almost as a matter of course that the father is “one of the angels” and accuses her of faithlessness until his grandfather, Enoch, whose “lot is with the Holy Ones” and who lives far away, clears up the misunderstanding. Significantly, the name of the child’s mother is Bit-enosh, i.e., she is one of the “daughters of men.”309 The Cedrenus fragment avoids the problem of heavenly origin by identifying the sons of God and the daughters of men with the descendants of Seth and Cain respectively, and he specifically designates the sons of God as the Watchers.310 Recently M. Emanueli has suggested that the various terms are merely “a figure of speech in order to express the depth of the deterioration of that generation.”

https://www.lds.org/ensign/1976/12/a-st ... 8?lang=eng

[nightlight]

Wrong...The materials used to make the Earth come from different planets, that is where the confusion comes(IMO). IPlease don’t tell me that you are referring to that silliness about that dinosaurs / other fosillized life that we find in the geologic record lived on other planets, and that God took that material and mashed it up to form the earth then it is you that are wrong. Please clarify what you mean by your statement above.

And how long do believe man has been walking the Earth?????? I’m assuming that you believe that man has lived on the earth for 6K yrs? I’m quite certain it is MUCH longer than that. No one knows for sure. Here’s one example of an advanced temple complex 12K years old. [https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=M7Ybp9nQJaA. It’s quite fascinating—well worth learning about. In fact the more I research this site and what is known about it, the more parallels I see between it and a true temple./color]

Modern scientists pay homage to the Prince of the world. Don't believe Babylonians. I suppose some do but on it’s face, that is a blatantly false statement. Ask E Eyrimg’s father or Talmadge or any of the BYU scientists that teach what I’ve said above.

I will answer your above questions, but first...How long ago do you believe Adam was made?

I really don’t know. Modern humans , homo sapiens, have been on the earth FAR longer than 6K years. That I am very sure of.

Our Earth was made from material from different planets. When you try to measure the rocks and minerals to determine the age of our Earth you're measuring material that existed before earth was formed. You made a loaf of bread yesterday but the flour in the bread was made weeks ago, scientists are measuring the flour and saying the bread was made weeks ago when in reality the bread was made yesterday.

Radiocarbon dating doesn't work beyond a few thousand years and with people and animals there's so many different variables that is useless. What human or an animal spent its life eating can affect its radiocarbon date of its Bones by thousands of years.

So now you have radioisotope dating.... or dating the half-life of certain elements. Once again glaring hole and unaccounted variables.

We have to remember that the Earth was moved after the Adam and Eve were evicted from the garden of Eden... do we understand what that did to the carbon effect and the radioactive decay of the elements of the Earth..??? Satan is smarter than anybody who walks this Earth. He's the father of evolution he is the father of the way are scientists view/measure of the world. By their fruits you shall know them... the fruits of modern science view of the world are by-and-large apostasy. Our scientist are retarded children throwing ice cubes at the Sun.

D&C77
6 Q. What are we to understand by the book which John saw, which was sealed on the back with seven seals?
A. We are to understand that it contains the revealed will, mysteries, and the works of God; the hidden things of his economy concerning this earth during the seven thousand years of its continuance, or its temporal existence.
7 Q. What are we to understand by the seven seals with which it was sealed?
A. We are to understand that the first seal contains the things of the first thousand years, and the second also of the second thousand years, and so on until the seventh.

[nightlight]

I don't know why my comments are red???

[Thinker]

Well, according to the link below, giant emotions come out when we act like brats.

So, I hereby dedicate this song to the moments of anger that causes us all (from time to time and to various degrees) to build things up to giant proportions...

https://youtu.be/G5o62nNrmKI