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Remnant movement scriptures, guiding principles, and Zion?

Posted: July 2nd, 2018, 6:59 pm
by inquirringmind
Does anyone know if the Boise Mormons ever agreed on a guide and standard, or excommunicated Jared (log), or unanimously agreed to accept his proposed guide and standard?

And did they just have another conference?

Have they published their scriptures with some agreed upon guide and standard,--or are their various fellowships still printing their own individual statements and pasting them into their scriptures because they can't agree on one?

And have they successfully established any kind of religious commune that could conceivably be approaching the ideal of Zion anywhere?

It seems they've disappeared from the blogosphere.

Does anyone know what's going on with them?

Are they all so embarrassed by their disagreements, and lack of progress, that they've all gone into hiding (and only have their discussions in secret)?

Could someone please give us some kind of update?

Re: Remnant movement scriptures, guiding principles, and Zion?

Posted: July 2nd, 2018, 7:39 pm
by inquirringmind
Are there any Boise covenant participants here?

How would I order a paper and ink copy of your scriptures?

And would there be any statement of guiding principles attached?

Re: Remnant movement scriptures, guiding principles, and Zion?

Posted: July 3rd, 2018, 8:03 am
by jdt
inquirringmind wrote: July 2nd, 2018, 6:59 pm Does anyone know if the Boise Mormons ever agreed on a guide and standard, or excommunicated Jared (log), or unanimously agreed to accept his proposed guide and standard?
Basically no, no, and no. Log took the position that he would only accept his own document, that others found unacceptable. And long timers here know he can be extremely vocal and persistent.
And did they just have another conference?
We have been having general (everyone in the world invited) conferences every spring and fall. Regional and local conferences can be called whenever, by whomever (so I don't know the frequency). There was a conference held recently in Boise that was a gathering of many sects of the restoration (like Church of Christ-Temple Lot and Remnant Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints) where different presentations were given about what people are doing and thinking.
Have they published their scriptures with some agreed upon guide and standard,--or are their various fellowships still printing their own individual statements and pasting them into their scriptures because they can't agree on one?
There is no guide and standard published with the scriptures at this point.
And have they successfully established any kind of religious commune that could conceivably be approaching the ideal of Zion anywhere?
To the best of my knowledge, no. Also to the best of my knowledge, this is something that angels will gather and not man. This is not something you can just decide to take upon you. That said, we should all be preparing to be a people worth gathering.
It seems they've disappeared from the blogosphere.
Maybe? There was a central blog for spearheading the guide and standard efforts, but it was taken down. Rumor I heard was that the person who ran the server received inspiration that it served its purpose and should be taken down. From my observation, no progress had been made for quite a while and people were largely talking past one another. I don't know about any other blogs.
Does anyone know what's going on with them?
I don't know that anyone can really represent what is going on with the movement as a whole, it is just far too wide reaching. From my perspective, life is going on. We continue to meet as a fellowship and study the scriptures. I am still trying to understand how to make myself more tolerable to be around for the day of Zion and be more tolerant of others.
Are they all so embarrassed by their disagreements, and lack of progress, that they've all gone into hiding (and only have their discussions in secret)?
Again, maybe. I can't say why others do what they do, I can only speculate. and I can only speculate as to why the Lord asked for the guide and standard in the first place. I think it was for a wise purpose far beyond merely having a list of things to hand over to investigators. By asking us to come together and remove the one unifying thing (Denver) people got to put their hearts on display. Sometimes it was amazing, sometimes disgusting. Some tell me that it was/is a failure, but I think it was a moment of expensive tuition. One of those opportunities, that if taken, made many of us just a little more prepared for Zion. But that is only my opinion.
Ultimately keep in mind as well that 5 people in a group of 500 in an online forum or at a conference can make things seem really contentious. Even when there is broad agreement or unity, it only takes a couple to change the mood of the room/forum.
Could someone please give us some kind of update?
Any other questions?

Re: Remnant movement scriptures, guiding principles, and Zion?

Posted: July 3rd, 2018, 8:07 am
by jdt
inquirringmind wrote: July 2nd, 2018, 7:39 pm Are there any Boise covenant participants here?

How would I order a paper and ink copy of your scriptures?

And would there be any statement of guiding principles attached?
There may be others, but I still visit (mostly lurk).

There is not a guide and standard printed in the scriptures for now.

https://www.amazon.com/Old-Covenants-Re ... _3?ie=UTF8
https://www.amazon.com/New-Covenants-Re ... _1?ie=UTF8
https://www.amazon.com/Teachings-Comman ... _2?ie=UTF8

If you are genuinely interested in the printed scriptures but can't afford, send me a PM and I will see if I can make arrangements.

There is also the online version (I prefer print):
http://scriptures.info/