As spoken by a man.Arenera wrote: ↑July 13th, 2018, 6:43 pmIf persons are of one heart, they ensure they help with each other. Whether it is one man and one woman, or one man and four women, if they are of one heart they are happy.MMbelieve wrote: ↑July 13th, 2018, 6:29 pmDid Christ have to eat?Arenera wrote: ↑July 13th, 2018, 5:20 pmDid Christ eat after he was resurrected?Durzan wrote: ↑July 13th, 2018, 5:00 pm
Yep, he does. Thats why I was focusing on the logic of why its possible instead of the actual mechanics of it. Cause thats something you can actually have a somewhat meaningful discussion on.
And for the record, I don't believe in having physical sex in heaven.
If there is no sex in heaven, there would be no issue with polygamy.
Keep studying.
Your assumption is stating the only possible issue with polygamy is the sex which is not true, there are more issues than that.
There are no issues. In the Celestial Kingdom there is continuation of seed.
Context of Polygamy in the Book of Mormon
-
MMbelieve
- Level 34 Illuminated
- Posts: 5072
Re: Context of Polygamy in the Book of Mormon
-
simpleton
- captain of 1,000
- Posts: 3084
Re: Context of Polygamy in the Book of Mormon
Benjamin F Johnson
The Ten Talents
In talking with my mother after the revelation [D&C 132] on plural marriage was given, he [Joseph Smith] told her that when the Lord required him to move in plural marriage, that his first thought was to come and ask her for some of her daughters; and I can now understand that the period alluded to was at Kirtland, where she had three unmarried daughters at home, two of whom died there, and Almira, the other, was sealed to him in Nauvoo; the other two, Nancy M. and Susan E., being sealed to him by proxy since his death.
As I have alluded to the law of plural marriage [D&C 132] I will relate the time and manner in which it was taught to me.
About the first of April, 1843, the Prophet with some of the Twelve and others came to Macedonia to hold a meeting, which was to convene in a large cabinet shop owned by Brother Joseph E. and myself, and as usual he put up at my house. Early on Sunday morning he said, "Come Brother Bennie, let us have a walk." I took his arm and he led the way into a by-place in the edge of the woods surrounded by tall brush and trees. Here, as we sat down upon a log he began to tell me that the Lord had revealed to him that plural or patriarchal marriage was according to His law; and that the Lord had not only revealed it to him but had commanded him to obey it; that he was required to take other wives; and that he wanted my Sister Almira for one of them, and wished me to see and talk to her upon the subject. If a thunderbolt had fallen at my feet I could hardly have been more shocked or amazed. He saw the struggle in my mind and went on to explain. But the shock was too great for me to comprehend anything, and in almost an agony of feeling I looked him squarely in the eye, and said, while my heart gushed up before him, "Brother Joseph, this is all new to me; it may all be true—you know, but I do not. To my education it is all wrong, but I am going, with the help of the Lord to do just what you say, with this promise to you—that if ever I know you do this to degrade my sister I will kill you, as the Lord lives." He looked at me, oh, so calmly, and said, "Brother Benjamin, you will never see that day, but you shall see the day you will know it is true, and you will fulfill the law and greatly rejoice in it." And he said, "At this morning's meeting, I will preach you a sermon that no one but you will understand. And furthermore, I will promise you that when you open your mouth to your sister, it shall be filled."
At the meeting he read the parable of the Talents, and showed plainly that to him that hath shall be given more, and from him that had but one should be taken that he seemed to have, and given to him who had ten. This, so far as I could understand, might relate to families, but to me there was a horror in the idea of speaking to my sister upon such a subject, the thought of which made me sick. But I had promised, and it must be done. I did not remember his words, and have faith that light would come, I only thought, "How dark it all looks to me.' But I must do it, and so told my sister I wished to see her in a room by herself, where I soon found her seated. I stood before her trembling, my knees shaking, but I opened my mouth and my heart opened to the light of the Lord, my tongue was loosened and I was filled with the Holy Ghost. I preached a sermon that forever converted me and her also to the principle, even though her heart was not yet won by the Prophet. And so I had great joy after my tribulation.
He had asked me to bring my sister to the city, which I soon did, where he saw her at my sister's, the Widow Sherman, who had already been sealed to him by proxy. His brother, Hyrum, said to me, "Now, Brother Benjamin, you know that Brother Joseph would not sanction this if it was not from the Lord. The Lord revealed this to Brother Joseph long ago, and he put it off until the Angel of the Lord came to him with a drawn sword and told him that he would be slain if he did not go forth and fulfill the law." He told my sister to have no fears, and he there and then sealed my sister, Almira, to the Prophet.
Soon after this he was at my house again, where he occupied my Sister Almira's room and bed, and also asked me for my youngest sister, Esther M. I told him she was promised in marriage to my wife's brother. He said, "Well, let them marry, for it will all come right."
The orphan girl—Mary Ann Hale—that my mother had raised from a child, was now living with us, of nearly the same age as my sister, and I asked him if he would not like her, as well as Almira. He said, "No, but she is for you. You keep her and take her for your wife and you will be blessed." This seemed like hurrying up my blessings pretty fast, but the spirit of it came upon me, and from that hour I thought of her as a wife that the Lord had given me.
In lighting him to bed one night he showed me his garments and explained that they were such as the Lord made for Adam from skins, and gave me such ideas pertaining to endowments as he thought proper. He told me Freemasonry, as at present, was the apostate endowments, as sectarian religion was the apostate religion.
In the evening he called me and my wife to come and sit down, for he wished to marry us according to the Law of the Lord. I thought it a joke, and said I should not marry my wife again, unless she courted me, for I did it all the first time. He chided my levity, told me he was in earnest, and so it proved, for we stood up and were sealed by the Holy Spirit of Promise.
This occurrence is referred to in the life of Joseph Smith as "Spending the evening in giving counsel to Brother Johnson and wife." At this time I knew that the Prophet had as his wives, Louisa Beeman, Eliza R. Snow, Maria and Sarah Lawrence, Sisters Lyon and Dibble, one or two of Bishop Partridge's daughters, and some of C. P. Lott's daughters, together with my own two sisters. And I also knew that Brother J. Bates Noble and others had plural wives, and that the Prophet had sealed to me my first and had given to me a second to be my wife. And I knew of other things in the Prophet's life and teachings that I will not now write, but I do so well remember his declarations in the meetings of the Saints, that the Lord had revealed to him principles, that should he teach and practice them, those who were now his best friends would become his bitterest enemies....
All or most of these stories have a common thread, and that it was just as much "abhorrent" if not even more actually, to almost every single person that this principle was revealed to, men and women alike.
It was this principle that more especially caused some people to "fly apart like glass" as it completely went against their "false traditions" ...
The ones that "hated" that marriage system were pretty much the ones that turned traitor against Joseph.
The evidence is overwhelming that Joseph is the one that instigated celestial plural marriage, and Emma for a season went begrudgingly along and even gave probably at least a half a dozen women to Joseph. Then later she recanted.
But again every single journal, testimony of, that I have ever read about those early day pioneers, ( and I have read hundreds) that were initially intrusted with that knowledge, their initial reaction was horror and dread. But, then after thinking about it in their minds ( at least the honest ones) they decided that the same God that revealed to them that Joseph the Seer was truly a prophet of God, they could approach Him upon that " horrible" subject. But yet they also were willing to possibly believe. And the Marvelous Light that some received was quite astounding. All of you that make light of and mock that principle will one day wake up ashamed. More especially when you all find out that even God Himself is a polygamous. What is so great about our wonderful "monogamous" society today? Between abortion , birth control, LGBTQ/ our children turning into homos and lesbians, which I consider part of the curse of rejecting the truth, limiting our increase, children born out of wedlock, everyone consumed with sexuality, but yet not wanting the responsibilities of being a parent,.....
All of the above was actually prophecied/predicted would happen to Mormondom if we rejected Gods Holy law,/laws, well we did reject it and now look at us today. We are a sick society right in the heart of Mormonville.
When God reveals light and we reject it, the rejection of it comes with a price to pay. Goes right along with our rejection of the Law of Consecration/ United Order, we are suffering the consequences of that also, and that is being under bondage, rich and poor, inequality, pride. Etc.
Nobody here hates that marriage system any more than some in the past did when they found out about it. Question is, are you willing to maybe even possibly believe that it was revealed to Joseph? Either way it is your privilege on the one hand or the other.
The Ten Talents
In talking with my mother after the revelation [D&C 132] on plural marriage was given, he [Joseph Smith] told her that when the Lord required him to move in plural marriage, that his first thought was to come and ask her for some of her daughters; and I can now understand that the period alluded to was at Kirtland, where she had three unmarried daughters at home, two of whom died there, and Almira, the other, was sealed to him in Nauvoo; the other two, Nancy M. and Susan E., being sealed to him by proxy since his death.
As I have alluded to the law of plural marriage [D&C 132] I will relate the time and manner in which it was taught to me.
About the first of April, 1843, the Prophet with some of the Twelve and others came to Macedonia to hold a meeting, which was to convene in a large cabinet shop owned by Brother Joseph E. and myself, and as usual he put up at my house. Early on Sunday morning he said, "Come Brother Bennie, let us have a walk." I took his arm and he led the way into a by-place in the edge of the woods surrounded by tall brush and trees. Here, as we sat down upon a log he began to tell me that the Lord had revealed to him that plural or patriarchal marriage was according to His law; and that the Lord had not only revealed it to him but had commanded him to obey it; that he was required to take other wives; and that he wanted my Sister Almira for one of them, and wished me to see and talk to her upon the subject. If a thunderbolt had fallen at my feet I could hardly have been more shocked or amazed. He saw the struggle in my mind and went on to explain. But the shock was too great for me to comprehend anything, and in almost an agony of feeling I looked him squarely in the eye, and said, while my heart gushed up before him, "Brother Joseph, this is all new to me; it may all be true—you know, but I do not. To my education it is all wrong, but I am going, with the help of the Lord to do just what you say, with this promise to you—that if ever I know you do this to degrade my sister I will kill you, as the Lord lives." He looked at me, oh, so calmly, and said, "Brother Benjamin, you will never see that day, but you shall see the day you will know it is true, and you will fulfill the law and greatly rejoice in it." And he said, "At this morning's meeting, I will preach you a sermon that no one but you will understand. And furthermore, I will promise you that when you open your mouth to your sister, it shall be filled."
At the meeting he read the parable of the Talents, and showed plainly that to him that hath shall be given more, and from him that had but one should be taken that he seemed to have, and given to him who had ten. This, so far as I could understand, might relate to families, but to me there was a horror in the idea of speaking to my sister upon such a subject, the thought of which made me sick. But I had promised, and it must be done. I did not remember his words, and have faith that light would come, I only thought, "How dark it all looks to me.' But I must do it, and so told my sister I wished to see her in a room by herself, where I soon found her seated. I stood before her trembling, my knees shaking, but I opened my mouth and my heart opened to the light of the Lord, my tongue was loosened and I was filled with the Holy Ghost. I preached a sermon that forever converted me and her also to the principle, even though her heart was not yet won by the Prophet. And so I had great joy after my tribulation.
He had asked me to bring my sister to the city, which I soon did, where he saw her at my sister's, the Widow Sherman, who had already been sealed to him by proxy. His brother, Hyrum, said to me, "Now, Brother Benjamin, you know that Brother Joseph would not sanction this if it was not from the Lord. The Lord revealed this to Brother Joseph long ago, and he put it off until the Angel of the Lord came to him with a drawn sword and told him that he would be slain if he did not go forth and fulfill the law." He told my sister to have no fears, and he there and then sealed my sister, Almira, to the Prophet.
Soon after this he was at my house again, where he occupied my Sister Almira's room and bed, and also asked me for my youngest sister, Esther M. I told him she was promised in marriage to my wife's brother. He said, "Well, let them marry, for it will all come right."
The orphan girl—Mary Ann Hale—that my mother had raised from a child, was now living with us, of nearly the same age as my sister, and I asked him if he would not like her, as well as Almira. He said, "No, but she is for you. You keep her and take her for your wife and you will be blessed." This seemed like hurrying up my blessings pretty fast, but the spirit of it came upon me, and from that hour I thought of her as a wife that the Lord had given me.
In lighting him to bed one night he showed me his garments and explained that they were such as the Lord made for Adam from skins, and gave me such ideas pertaining to endowments as he thought proper. He told me Freemasonry, as at present, was the apostate endowments, as sectarian religion was the apostate religion.
In the evening he called me and my wife to come and sit down, for he wished to marry us according to the Law of the Lord. I thought it a joke, and said I should not marry my wife again, unless she courted me, for I did it all the first time. He chided my levity, told me he was in earnest, and so it proved, for we stood up and were sealed by the Holy Spirit of Promise.
This occurrence is referred to in the life of Joseph Smith as "Spending the evening in giving counsel to Brother Johnson and wife." At this time I knew that the Prophet had as his wives, Louisa Beeman, Eliza R. Snow, Maria and Sarah Lawrence, Sisters Lyon and Dibble, one or two of Bishop Partridge's daughters, and some of C. P. Lott's daughters, together with my own two sisters. And I also knew that Brother J. Bates Noble and others had plural wives, and that the Prophet had sealed to me my first and had given to me a second to be my wife. And I knew of other things in the Prophet's life and teachings that I will not now write, but I do so well remember his declarations in the meetings of the Saints, that the Lord had revealed to him principles, that should he teach and practice them, those who were now his best friends would become his bitterest enemies....
All or most of these stories have a common thread, and that it was just as much "abhorrent" if not even more actually, to almost every single person that this principle was revealed to, men and women alike.
It was this principle that more especially caused some people to "fly apart like glass" as it completely went against their "false traditions" ...
The ones that "hated" that marriage system were pretty much the ones that turned traitor against Joseph.
The evidence is overwhelming that Joseph is the one that instigated celestial plural marriage, and Emma for a season went begrudgingly along and even gave probably at least a half a dozen women to Joseph. Then later she recanted.
But again every single journal, testimony of, that I have ever read about those early day pioneers, ( and I have read hundreds) that were initially intrusted with that knowledge, their initial reaction was horror and dread. But, then after thinking about it in their minds ( at least the honest ones) they decided that the same God that revealed to them that Joseph the Seer was truly a prophet of God, they could approach Him upon that " horrible" subject. But yet they also were willing to possibly believe. And the Marvelous Light that some received was quite astounding. All of you that make light of and mock that principle will one day wake up ashamed. More especially when you all find out that even God Himself is a polygamous. What is so great about our wonderful "monogamous" society today? Between abortion , birth control, LGBTQ/ our children turning into homos and lesbians, which I consider part of the curse of rejecting the truth, limiting our increase, children born out of wedlock, everyone consumed with sexuality, but yet not wanting the responsibilities of being a parent,.....
All of the above was actually prophecied/predicted would happen to Mormondom if we rejected Gods Holy law,/laws, well we did reject it and now look at us today. We are a sick society right in the heart of Mormonville.
When God reveals light and we reject it, the rejection of it comes with a price to pay. Goes right along with our rejection of the Law of Consecration/ United Order, we are suffering the consequences of that also, and that is being under bondage, rich and poor, inequality, pride. Etc.
Nobody here hates that marriage system any more than some in the past did when they found out about it. Question is, are you willing to maybe even possibly believe that it was revealed to Joseph? Either way it is your privilege on the one hand or the other.
