ajax wrote: ↑June 28th, 2018, 8:48 pmI often wonder if I'm among adults here or or middle school teenagers.PressingForward wrote: ↑June 28th, 2018, 6:33 pm I’m sure those pics will be in the next issue of LDSLIVING praising building better bridges, or loving harder longer, or whatever the saying is worshiping queers this week
PLEASE let armaggedon happen NOW!eddie wrote: ↑June 29th, 2018, 4:55 pm Oz Haven, a member of the San Francisco Gay Men’s Chorus, sings with the Mormon Tabernacle Choir during sound check at the Shoreline Amphitheatre in Mountain View, California, on Monday, June 25, 2018. Photo by Kristin Murphy, Deseret News.
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The more immediate threat is that of people not needing to join "that backwards, intolerant, church". I haven't seen or heard of a single openly homosexual nonmember with any interest whatsoever in joining a church that doesn't declare their sexual relationships as sacred as a marriage between a man and a woman. Simple as that. Although all I want to say is that maybe, just maybe, you can simply extend some kindness to someone without either condoning or committing the same kind of wrongful behavior. Food for thought.gardener4life wrote: ↑June 26th, 2018, 6:55 pm Eternal progression is based on obedience. It always has been and always will be. All the plan of Salvation and the gospel principles that guide you along it are all pointing to this one idea that being good matters, with obedience, without cheating on the test, without trying to change the test answer key, or switch it with your neighbors' (this is what's happening now). If there is no obedience, faith, repentance, and keeping the commandments in the plan then there is nothing to grade the Plan of Salvation upon. (...for God will not be mocked...this is what that means when we hear that phrase about mocked...)
1 Nephi 3:7 I will go and do. (It doesn't say I will change the rules and then do.)
Mosiah 2:32-33, 37 32 But, O my people, beware lest there shall arise contentions among you, and ye list to cobey the evil spirit, which was spoken of by my father Mosiah. (Notice he reveals that before the test there are deceptions and illusions before hand. How insightful the scriptures are.)
The Book of Mormon introduction; '...a new and additional witness that Jesus Christ is the Son of the living God and that all who will come unto Him and obey the laws and ordinances of His gospel may be saved.'
Jacob 4:6 Wherefore, we search the prophets, and we have many revelations and the spirit of prophecy; and having all these witnesses we obtain a hope, and our faith becometh unshaken, insomuch that we truly can command in the name of Jesus and the very trees obey us, or the mountains, or the waves of the sea. (For emphasis this is what we need to be at; some mistaken it for pride. It isn't pride. We are supposed to pray and believe, and walk with faith and use that faith to commune with God, and to ask him in the name of his son to get to the point where our faith can be unshakable. This is so cool! We can see this as an ideal goal to reach towards in Jacob 4:6. Why don't we all do this more?? We can have the chance to see this as a recipe to build. The recipe is to build up faith and Spirit with God to get to the point where we can pray for Jesus to walk with us in the Spirit forward to the point where we become unshakable!)
(If we're not sure about something, then we have more building up to do to become unshakable. This is an opportunity.)
If you say that you are suddenly going to reverse the rules and the game book for what is 'righteous' then it would end up you could have a temple recommend for anything. Messed up on 'Thou shalt not kill' , well no problem. We can still give you a recommend. You have marital relations with your cousin Fred, who is married to someone else? No problem, then we can still get a recommend. You might pay more tithing though.
So these people shouldn't just change the game book and rules. And they shouldn't let others do so. The changes you see are because nobody is calling them out on it. They are afraid of persecution, particularly in legal forms for saying, 'stop that', 'that's not right'.
I can tell you from my own testimony and experience that some things are not to be allowed in the church and I've had some of my own whispering of the Spirit helping me not be led astray and giving me answers to simple prayers. Sometimes these answers helped me see what's going on in the church.
Part of this reasoning of keeping good and evil separate from each other is because the mortal side of the church is more vulnerable. This was why the Nephites were separated from the Lamanites, why the Canaanites were separated from Israel...why Israel & Moses left Egypt. We can't see who is living right and who isn't. We can't see friend from foe. In WW2, everyone wore a special uniform right? (Mostly...except for Resistance movements.) The new war of our generation though still spiritual is hotly fought for using any means, and not everyone is wearing a uniform. The guy next to you at church might be a Resistance member from the other side, and isn't portraying a Nazi flag. But there's very likely a few of them in each ward. We can't tell who is who. This is part of the war of agency all over again, trying to confuse and deceive.
The War in Heaven, had many of the battles fought with faith and valiant testimonies we know. But I can swear to you on the scriptures that the other side was using deceptions, illusions, and trickery on their end. This is why sometimes people who mean well get tricked, by trusting the arm of the flesh and not leaning on the Holy Ghost. Then they lose a spiritual battle, and try to get into the church.
I can tell you these movements to try to get the wicked into the temples are going to keep picking up steam. They are trying to force themselves into the Temples. They are going to keep pushing and pushing. They are going to try to make it look like they are winning and popular. I received an inspiration from the Holy Ghost once about this a few years ago, and I only recently realized that it was about the gays, and other groups trying to change the rules and change the doctrine. This made it more true because Heavenly Father was warning me before it would happen so I wouldn't be as confused when it happened.
But in the end, this movement to overthrow from within will be stopped. Heavenly Father & Jesus aren't going to allow the wicked to do a hostile takeover / merger scheme. But it's going to be allowed to get to the point of testing peoples' faith. I can promise you that we'll be tested on it. People will have look at and really stick to their guns, and they will be tested to see if they'll stay true to what's right and stand up for what's right. This is the test that the early prophets of this dispensation have talked about. It is upon us. This is also the same test in 4th Nephi.
We can also have faith that we know Jesus' infinite love and mercy will take care of these people and let them go at their own pace in the spirit world, until they can get to the point where they too can receive their rewards. And that faith and knowledge will manifest to us that they really can still progress and we aren't leaving them behind by expecting everyone to have faith and obedience, and that everyone has to keep the rules, not just a few people. Trust the mercy of Jesus that he knows how to help these people and that cheating the system will ruin it for us and them. So they must wait until they are ready to be obedient too.
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God doesn't create each person complete with all their mortal genetic traits. Agency. We've always had agency. We bring a spirit that has used agency for eons, to experience a mortal body in this probation. We bring our character and disposition and desires with us.
