San Francisco Gay Men's Chorus performs with Mormon Tabernacle Choir

[Thinker]

I am so sick of their agenda and the way the push it on others.

But, clearly there is a militant and a combative homosexual minority

Dude, it ain't a minority . . .you need to wake up.

Prove it.

-Finrock

Homosexual bullies have become like dress-up kings and queens of America - decreeing - AGAINST THE VOTE OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE - that now all in the land must honor marriage based on “special” types of sexual perversion - homosexuality.

They may be minority but so are tyrants making their own rulings.
What’s so pathetic is that government supports such unconstitutional decrees and homosexual sickness because it helps with their goal of depopulation.

[mgridle1]

I am so sick of their agenda and the way the push it on others.

But, clearly there is a militant and a combative homosexual minority

Dude, it ain't a minority . . .you need to wake up.

Prove it.

-Finrock

Prove it is a minority.

[Jesef]

I think societies/civilizations have the right to determine their own governments. If a group of people want to go off somewhere (it's harder these days due to every parcel of land being claimed already by some nation) and form a society that is based on racial purity and polygamy, for example, I give them that right (as long as they allow people to leave if they please). The U.S. has become a difficult beast - there are 400 Million of us and we've evolved into a Federal overseer government - States' rights have basically disappeared or been swallowed up or trumped by Federal Law and Supreme Court decisions. Our society is no longer local & our state and local governments are no longer diverse. States, originally, were designed to be different, regional, so you could move to a State that suited your particular cultural tastes. That is no longer very true. Everything has become much more homogenous and continues to.

[Crackers]

I still have not really processed this to provide much of an opinion, but one thing is worth mentioning. The members of motab are set apart as missionaries, and that is their main purpose in existing as a choir, I believe. So if we look at this event from the perspective of it occurring to reach out to those who desperately need to hear the gospel, and doing it in a way that has a chance of actually reaching somebody, then it could be seen as reasonable. Perhaps.

[Robin Hood]

I've never been a fan of the Mormon Tabernacle Choir.
Not really sure why. The hair styles, the face paint, the rampant obesity etc.... but now I have a much better reason for disliking them.

[eddie]

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[eddie]

I've never been a fan of the Mormon Tabernacle Choir.
Not really sure why. The hair styles, the face paint, the rampant obesity etc.... but now I have a much better reason for disliking them.

It might be a little different this time...

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[sushi_chef]

a part of ecumenism agenda plan being executed....christians have to be one against ... in ww3??!!

"In this 40th season alone, we will have performed at First Baptist Church, Greeneville, SC., St. Ignatius Catholic Church in SF and now for the Mormons. Building bridges.”
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[eddie]

The San Francisco Gay Men’s Chorus posted photographs of the rehearsal with the Mormon Tabernacle Choir on Facebook.


The San Francisco Gay Men’s Chorus rehearses with the Mormon Tabernacle Choir. (Image via San Francisco Gay Men’s Chorus Facebook page)

“We have no delusions about changing the course of the Mormon religion. Nor does this wipe away the pain inflicted on the LGBTQ community over the years. We are going into this with eyes wide open,” Seeling wrote of tonight’s event. “There may be a young closeted Mormon in the audience or who finds out about tonight’s concert and may see a glimmer of hope."

[Chip]

The San Francisco Gay Men’s Chorus posted photographs of the rehearsal with the Mormon Tabernacle Choir on Facebook.


The San Francisco Gay Men’s Chorus rehearses with the Mormon Tabernacle Choir. (Image via San Francisco Gay Men’s Chorus Facebook page)

“We have no delusions about changing the course of the Mormon religion. Nor does this wipe away the pain inflicted on the LGBTQ community over the years. We are going into this with eyes wide open,” Seeling wrote of tonight’s event. “There may be a young closeted Mormon in the audience or who finds out about tonight’s concert and may see a glimmer of hope."

So, they kind of see it as a missionary opportunity, as well.

[David13]

I think societies/civilizations have the right to determine their own governments. If a group of people want to go off somewhere (it's harder these days due to every parcel of land being claimed already by some nation) and form a society that is based on racial purity and polygamy, for example, I give them that right (as long as they allow people to leave if they please). The U.S. has become a difficult beast - there are 400 Million of us and we've evolved into a Federal overseer government - States' rights have basically disappeared or been swallowed up or trumped by Federal Law and Supreme Court decisions. Our society is no longer local & our state and local governments are no longer diverse. States, originally, were designed to be different, regional, so you could move to a State that suited your particular cultural tastes. That is no longer very true. Everything has become much more homogenous and continues to.

And that's the danger of one worldism. One size fits all, and if yuu don't fit, you are chopped smaller, until you do, no matter if it kills you. You just must conform.
dc

[Robin Hood]

“Nor does this wipe away the pain inflicted on the LGBTQ community over the years”

What a load of codswollop.
These people are delusional.

[David13]

The San Francisco Gay Men’s Chorus posted photographs of the rehearsal with the Mormon Tabernacle Choir on Facebook.


The San Francisco Gay Men’s Chorus rehearses with the Mormon Tabernacle Choir. (Image via San Francisco Gay Men’s Chorus Facebook page)

“We have no delusions about changing the course of the Mormon religion. Nor does this wipe away the pain inflicted on the LGBTQ community over the years. We are going into this with eyes wide open,” Seeling wrote of tonight’s event. “There may be a young closeted Mormon in the audience or who finds out about tonight’s concert and may see a glimmer of hope."

The pain inflicted was by their own doing.
The sad thing about that confused young Mormon is that now he will be encouraged to answer his confusion by going in the wrong direction. The direction of living in sin, making wrong life decisions, and trying to pretend it is ... o k, when it's not.
dc

[David13]

The San Francisco Gay Men’s Chorus posted photographs of the rehearsal with the Mormon Tabernacle Choir on Facebook.


The San Francisco Gay Men’s Chorus rehearses with the Mormon Tabernacle Choir. (Image via San Francisco Gay Men’s Chorus Facebook page)

“We have no delusions about changing the course of the Mormon religion. Nor does this wipe away the pain inflicted on the LGBTQ community over the years. We are going into this with eyes wide open,” Seeling wrote of tonight’s event. “There may be a young closeted Mormon in the audience or who finds out about tonight’s concert and may see a glimmer of hope."

The choir should be outreach. Outreach to repentance, not to acceptance of sin and sinful behavior.
dc

[Robin Hood]

... trying to pretend it is ... o k, when it's not.

You've hit the nail on the head there dc.
They know deep down they are wrong and are living contrary to God and natural law.
That is why they shout so loud... to try to drown out their own conscience.

[eddie]

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[eddie]

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[Chip]

... trying to pretend it is ... o k, when it's not.

You've hit the nail on the head there dc.
They know deep down they are wrong and are living contrary to God and natural law.
That is why they shout so loud... to try to drown out their own conscience.

Yes, exactly. And homosexuality must be a pretty encompassing bind.

I remember reading 35 years ago that many homosexuals were self-loathing and ashamed, really not liking the trap of being so, wishing they could change. Now, they are trying to make themselves feel okay about it, but there are internal spiritual reactions to sexual sin which cannot be fully muted and it drives them crazy. Insisting on ignoring such things will drive people insane.

[Finrock]

But, clearly there is a militant and a combative homosexual minority

Dude, it ain't a minority . . .you need to wake up.

Prove it.

-Finrock

Prove it is a minority.

You are the one challenging my statement. You said I need to wake up. Wake me up with facts, please.

-Finrock

[JLCgm3]

The vitriol of these posts is staggering. This is under "Gospel topics"? According to some posts here the gospel just can no longer true because MoTab sang with GAYS! The picture of Christ with arms outstretched with a quote alluding we are teaching our children to stray from Him if we SING WITH GAYS??
I'm going to admit - this invitation by the choir seemed to be a bit "PR'ish" but in reality we need a little bit of positive PR to show the members of the church - not the general public - that we are a Church of love and acceptance of all children of God. Stop using the phrase "love the sinner hate the sin" to justify your prejudices and intolerance. How about we practice the love part and let the other person be responsible for their own sin? As an active temple recommend holding member and a parent of two gay children with one gay sibling, I can tell you that when I focused on the "loving the sinner hating the sin" mantra I wasn't truly loving and my own heart and testimony was conflicted. When I remembered who I am - a Child of God - remembered who my children and my sister are - Children of God - and just started loving them - my heart was more at ease and my relationships have dramatically changed. I still don't "get it". I don't understand the attraction - and guess what? I don't have to because I'm not the judge! I set the standard for my home, for my behavior, and that's it.
If you look behind the language and tone of the posts here you will likely find some high-horse sitters who bring a plate of cookies to the gay neighbor and bash them all the way home - or worse the parents who kicked their children out of the house at age 15 when the child confided in the parent who always said "you can tell me anything"... Who left their missionary at the airport stranded when they came home early because they couldn't live through the conflict of actions and feelings. Who looked away when one son beat the living daylights out of his sibling who revealed his sexuality. As prophets have taught (see Dallin H Oaks Balancing Truth and Tolerance) "tolerance can be dominant where the behavior does not involve us personally." Your child's feelings about who they are attracted to is theirs. Your neighbors that are gay - that's their feelings - their behavior, not yours. These people are singing folks. Their "gay behavior" doesn't affect you personally. Elder Oaks "In all of this we should not presume to judge our neighbors or associates on the ultimate effect of their behaviors. That judgment is the Lord’s, not ours."

[BlindmanCC]

It should have never been billed as the Mormon Tab with Gay choir.....How about a choir from San Fransisco?

Though I know we want to reach out to all of Gods children, and we should. Do we want to be part in the fall of some youth into sin? A youth who is confused and yet see's what appears to be our faith pandering to the title "Gay?" Indeed we promote the lifestyle every time we use the word in article and in speech.
The term itself is an expression of a sexual behavior, not a race or acceptable creed.
To add to that, are we not also saying to those who are struggling with the issue, look see it's okay to one degree to another? I know what we say from the pulpit and in doctrine, but if you don't think this is not being seen as a victory by the adversary, then I think more prayer and contemplation is needed.
To be delicate, Gay has become a descriptive word for a group who accepts particular acts in their relationship; do we want to wave that flag?
I tried to share this opinion with Desert News when they ran the article; but I guess it was not what they wanted to hear or share anything other then acceptance. .

[AI2.0]

Homosexuals ARE in the minority, there's no question. But, there is also no question this tiny minority has the Federal Government and the majority of society firmly supporting them and promoting their interests.

Look at what has happened to those who've come in the cross hairs of an 'offended' protected minority? Cake bakers, photographers, florists etc. Frankly, I'm surprised the church hasn't already been singled out because of our refusal to embrace gay marriage--I believe it's the Lord's protection which has shielded us so far.

Does anyone remember what happened the last time the church took a defiant stand against the federal government? Maybe we can learn some lessons from history and not be doomed to repeat it.

It was about 150 years ago when the church continued in a practice for decades which the Government opposed--polygamy. The govt. did not back down, they ginned up their attacks and pressure. The church was being crushed if it would not submit. Pres. Woodruff said that the Lord showed him what would happen if they continued to fight against the government--the whole mission of the church would be frustrated and halted. With the mood of the country today, I'd say we are at a crossroads--we can be defiant, as many of you seem to want, but I believe we'll pay a heavy price and personally, I don't believe that's what our Lord wants, just as he didn't want that back in 1890.

I reminded you all(and do so again) of when the Lord counseled the Prophet Joseph to 'make unto yourselves friends with the mammon of unrighteousness, and they will not destroy you.' If we go up against the federal government, that's a very real possibility. Some of you also need to heed the Lord's counsel to 'leave judgement alone with me for it is mine and I will repay.' Some need to 'Be Still', and know that the Lord Jesus Christ leads this church through his prophet, Pres. Nelson.

If you have had a testimony, but it is shaken lately, then don't undermine it further with questioning and demands that he do what YOU think is right--this is the quintessential 'ark steadying' we are warned to avoid. Instead, go to the Lord in humility and faith to have answers come to you as to why Pres. Nelson is doing the things he is doing. This IS his doing--the Tabernacle Choir doesn't do anything which is not approved by the first Presidency. If you are really upset, then fast and pray for answers as well--sometimes just 'asking' is not enough. Ponder and Pray for an understanding of the Lord's plan and for a testimony that Pres. Nelson is his prophet and is leading the church as the Lord would have him. I'm certain that if you will do this, peace will come and eventually answers as well. We learn to humbly 'wait upon the Lord', by stripping pride from our hearts.

Pres. Nelson's efforts are to keep us on the covenant path--we can't do that if we lose access to our temples. He wants us to 'minister' to others--not just the members of our wards, and you must ask yourselves; How do we as individuals and collectively as a church-- 'minister' to Gay people? We ARE expected to minister to them as well, so we'd better figure out how this is done. I think that Pres. Nelson's vision and the direction the church is taking at this time is HOW we do this.

We live in a wicked world where Satan rages in the hearts of men--the antidote is to not give into the 'raging' but fight it by cultivating a spirit of charity.
"Charity suffereth long, and is kind, and envieth not, and is not puffed up, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil, and rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth, beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things' and if we don't have Charity, then we are told we are 'nothing. (Moroni 7:45)

If you personally find it hard to 'minister' or have charity for some in our society--in this instance those who identify as 'gay', then follow Mormon's counsel;

"Wherefore, my beloved brethren, pray unto the Father with all the energy of heart, that ye may be filled with this love, which he hath bestowed upon all who are true followers of his Son, Jesus Christ, that ye may become the sons of God; that when he shall appear we shall be like him," Moroni 7:47-48

[Robin Hood]

I believe we are being protected by the Catholic Church.
What I mean by this is that as long as the RC church refuses to permit or recognize same-sex marriage, we are safe. They can't come after us and not them. They can't defeat the Catholics right now as they are too big, strong, powerful and politically savvy.
However, if the Catholics ever cave in, we're toast.

[eddie]

The vitriol of these posts is staggering. This is under "Gospel topics"? According to some posts here the gospel just can no longer true because MoTab sang with GAYS! The picture of Christ with arms outstretched with a quote alluding we are teaching our children to stray from Him if we SING WITH GAYS?? When the director said there might be a mormon young man in the audience who wants to come out, that did it for me. Come sing and keep your opinions to yourself! And yes, we will need to tech our children to folow Christ, or school teachers among some teach them differently.
I'm going to admit - this invitation by the choir seemed to be a bit "PR'ish" but in reality we need a little bit of positive PR to show the members of the church - not the general public - that we are a Church of love and acceptance of all children of God. Stop using the phrase "love the sinner hate the sin" to justify your prejudices and intolerance. " Love the sinner, hate the sin." How about we practice the love part and let the other person be responsible for their own sin? As an active temple recommend holding member and a parent of two gay children with one gay sibling, I can tell you that when I focused on the "loving the sinner hating the sin" mantra I wasn't truly loving and my own heart and testimony was conflicted. When I remembered who I am - a Child of God - remembered who my children and my sister are - Children of God - and just started loving them - my heart was more at ease and my relationships have dramatically changed. I still don't "get it". I don't understand the attraction - and guess what? I don't have to because I'm not the judge! I set the standard for my home, for my behavior, and that's it. The Lord sets the standard for all of us, its our choice to follow or not. My children' behavior does affect me personally and deeply, anyone who says it doesn't is not being honest.
If you look behind the language and tone of the posts here you will likely find some high-horse sitters who bring a plate of cookies to the gay neighbor and bash them all the way home - or worse the parents who kicked their children out of the house at age 15 when the child confided in the parent who always said "you can tell me anything"... Who left their missionary at the airport stranded when they came home early because they couldn't live through the conflict of actions and feelings. Who looked away when one son beat the living daylights out of his sibling who revealed his sexuality. As prophets have taught (see Dallin H Oaks Balancing Truth and Tolerance) "tolerance can be dominant where the behavior does not involve us personally." Your child's feelings about who they are attracted to is theirs. Your neighbors that are gay - that's their feelings - their behavior, not yours. These people are singing folks. Their "gay behavior" doesn't affect you personally. Elder Oaks "In all of this we should not presume to judge our neighbors or associates on the ultimate effect of their behaviors. That judgment is the Lord’s, not ours."

And yet this post is one of the most judgemental I've read in a long time! In all sincerety I would suggest you get some counseling.

[AI2.0]

The vitriol of these posts is staggering. This is under "Gospel topics"? According to some posts here the gospel just can no longer true because MoTab sang with GAYS! The picture of Christ with arms outstretched with a quote alluding we are teaching our children to stray from Him if we SING WITH GAYS?? When the director said there might be a mormon young man in the audience who wants to come out, that did it for me. Come sing and keep your opinions to yourself! And yes, we will need to tech our children to folow Christ, or school teachers among some teach them differently.
I'm going to admit - this invitation by the choir seemed to be a bit "PR'ish" but in reality we need a little bit of positive PR to show the members of the church - not the general public - that we are a Church of love and acceptance of all children of God. Stop using the phrase "love the sinner hate the sin" to justify your prejudices and intolerance. " Love the sinner, hate the sin." How about we practice the love part and let the other person be responsible for their own sin? As an active temple recommend holding member and a parent of two gay children with one gay sibling, I can tell you that when I focused on the "loving the sinner hating the sin" mantra I wasn't truly loving and my own heart and testimony was conflicted. When I remembered who I am - a Child of God - remembered who my children and my sister are - Children of God - and just started loving them - my heart was more at ease and my relationships have dramatically changed. I still don't "get it". I don't understand the attraction - and guess what? I don't have to because I'm not the judge! I set the standard for my home, for my behavior, and that's it. The Lord sets the standard for all of us, its our choice to follow or not. My children' behavior does affect me personally and deeply, anyone who says it doesn't is not being honest.
If you look behind the language and tone of the posts here you will likely find some high-horse sitters who bring a plate of cookies to the gay neighbor and bash them all the way home - or worse the parents who kicked their children out of the house at age 15 when the child confided in the parent who always said "you can tell me anything"... Who left their missionary at the airport stranded when they came home early because they couldn't live through the conflict of actions and feelings. Who looked away when one son beat the living daylights out of his sibling who revealed his sexuality. As prophets have taught (see Dallin H Oaks Balancing Truth and Tolerance) "tolerance can be dominant where the behavior does not involve us personally." Your child's feelings about who they are attracted to is theirs. Your neighbors that are gay - that's their feelings - their behavior, not yours. These people are singing folks. Their "gay behavior" doesn't affect you personally. Elder Oaks "In all of this we should not presume to judge our neighbors or associates on the ultimate effect of their behaviors. That judgment is the Lord’s, not ours."

And yet this post is one of the most judgemental I've read in a long time! In all sincerety I would suggest you get some counseling.

Seriously? Is that what you got from that post?

Did you even read it to know that this is something they deal with on a day to day basis with their loved ones? Did you consider that it might be more emotional and difficult for them, than for someone who can look at this from an 'outsiders' view point?

Eddie, I'd suggest you not tell other people to 'get some counseling'. That is judgmental and inappropriate advice to be offered in such an unloving manner.