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The Saints are such a small percentage of the world population. What would cause the persecution of the Saints from the adversary?

Linking up with LGBTQ?

Having an opposing stand (with power?) against the world led by the adversary?

Any ideas?

When a people raise up and begin to exhibit the fruits of the spirit, I.E. healing by faith, showing forth mighty miracles, testifying of visions, testifying of meeting with the Lord, calling people to repent and turn to the Lord, prophesying in the name of the Lord. Those people will be persecuted.

Yes, homosexual fanatics have already persecuted many Christians and continue to.

“Speak nothing but the truth and you’ll soon be considered dangerous.” -A Brilliant

Truth is hard to take at first - and ideally we’re always learning new truths.
Yet, the truth sets us free so we feel obligated to share our testimonies, to help free others.
But the truth is hard to take initially - many refuse and shoot the messenger rather than consider truth of the message.

Homosexual fanatics deem their “special” sexual deviation “rights” as more important than the 1st amendment religious rights. https://www.crisismagazine.com/2013/gay ... t-evidence.

investigator wrote: ↑June 25th, 2018, 3:59 pm When a people raise up and begin to exhibit the fruits of the spirit, I.E. healing by faith, showing forth mighty miracles, testifying of visions, testifying of meeting with the Lord, calling people to repent and turn to the Lord, prophesying in the name of the Lord. Those people will be persecuted.

Things turning sour in the spring of 2024 after 7yrs of prosperity may set them off. While that’s based primarily on biblical patterns, the Hancock Prophecy is exclusively ours. Nothing upsets idiots more than the stark realization that they were wrong, and irrational actions should be expected.

There is a haughtiness within the church which may well be key to the outcome.

Ezekiel 16
47 Yet hast thou not walked after their ways, nor done after their abominations: but, as if that were a very little thing, thou wast corrupted more than they in all thy ways.

48 As I live, saith the Lord God, Sodom thy sister hath not done, she nor her daughters, as thou hast done, thou and thy daughters.

49 Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy.

50 And they were haughty, and committed abomination before me: therefore I took them away as I saw good.

Arenera wrote: ↑June 25th, 2018, 3:22 pm The Saints are such a small percentage of the world population. What would cause the persecution of the Saints from the adversary?

It's not just the LDS- saints who are/will be persecuted- it's all who stand for traditional family values. Those who accept the principles found in the Proclamation on the Family are and will continue to be despised. Liberal Mormons already distance themselves from the Proclamation. When the government forces the church to either perform gay weddings or dissolve the church, many LDS's will stand tall like morons and support the government. I have family who can't wait for this day.

Might I give a different perspective?

Perhaps we are being persecuted already, but it is much more subtle. It will grow, of course, but almost everything in the media attacks traditional familes. It attacks good fathers, it attacks good mothers, there are no heroes. It attacks the traditional way of life. It is so constant that we don't realize it. So we are being persecuted by subtle means in order to encourage us to accept this lascivious way of life. Many of us are falling prey to it and have fallen prey to it. How often do we worship the idols of our own hands rather than seek God. If you truly do follow God, then people look at you weird because you are not "normal." To be clear I fail miserably at not following God, but I really think the persecution has already begun - it began about 10 years ago and has increased dramatically and will increase dramatically in the coming years.

The great division or war in heaven was largely over the principle of agency. God gave man his agency, Satan wanted to destroy the agency of man and reign over him, the tyrannical approach if you will.

When you survey the great power struggles taking place in the world today, it's pretty much the same situation. You have the global elite who want to run everyone's show. To get what they want they do all within their powers to create chaos. Their objective being to destroy borders, sovereignty, and nationalism and in America's case, the Constitution.

It's not hard to see that they are becoming more and more belligerent and even violent in some cases. So anyone, who stands for freedom, borders and the rule of law is already experiencing persecution.... I expect it to continue to escalate until it's so bad that the Lord will finally bring the hammer down on them just before he makes his appearance.

Everything the adversary is building towards that have become societal norms underscore persecution against the saints. Gender identity, protecting the unborn, Gay marriage, borders and walls (ZION has a giant wall by the way) - pretty much anything that comes from the left is an extension of the war in heaven as friendsofthe pointed out above. Those who preach "tolerance" for the gay and for the trans are intolerant of those who view such as sin. If this vein continues it will only end in a violent persecution of the saints and those who espouse any of these virtues around which the adversary has carefully crafted his anti-virtue dogma.

The expulsion of Huckabee Sanders, and Maxine Waters weekend tirade are all fruits of the groundwork the adversary has carefully laid out.

This scripture is from another thread but applies:

3 Nephi 21:10 But behold, the life of my servant shall be in my hand; therefore they shall not hurt him, although he shall be marred because of them. Yet I will heal him, for I will show unto them that my wisdom is greater than the cunning of the devil.

This is why the Family Proclamation was .. proclaimed .. when it was - prophetic timing.

Arenera wrote: ↑June 25th, 2018, 3:22 pm The Saints are such a small percentage of the world population. What would cause the persecution of the Saints from the adversary?

Linking up with LGBTQ?

Having an opposing stand (with power?) against the world led by the adversary?

Any ideas?

Persecution is already here and yes it has to do with LGBTQ.

Mozilla CEO fired over supported traditional marriage. Don't you dare use your real name on Twitter and stand against transgenders, or homosexuals, or in support of traditional families. Benjamin Owen (a comic) was banned from twitter. Jame Demore was fired from Google. The executive from Crossfit USA-fired. There are tons and tons of real-world examples of people who have lost their jobs, have had death threats against them, had to move, etc. simply for standing up.

When someone can get a mob together and force a business to fire you simply b/c of something you said (not advocating violence, just for an opinion!), they doxx you post your home address, e-mail address, spam your inbox, etc. that IS PERSECUTION!!!

Of course you as a homosexual ally, you don't see the persecution. But it is all around and ever-present in today's world.

It hasn't gotten violent . . . yet! I suspect that will change in the near future . . .just wait if Trump get elected to a 2nd term-it will be bad, real bad.

Alaris wrote: ↑June 26th, 2018, 5:40 pm This is why the Family Proclamation was .. proclaimed .. when it was - prophetic timing.

They should have made that Proclamation and the one about Christ a part of the scriptures. But b/c they didn't it will probably be forgotten in 50-75 years.

jadd wrote: ↑June 26th, 2018, 3:30 pm Might I give a different perspective?

Perhaps we are being persecuted already, but it is much more subtle. It will grow, of course, but almost everything in the media attacks traditional familes. It attacks good fathers, it attacks good mothers, there are no heroes. It attacks the traditional way of life. It is so constant that we don't realize it. So we are being persecuted by subtle means in order to encourage us to accept this lascivious way of life. Many of us are falling prey to it and have fallen prey to it. How often do we worship the idols of our own hands rather than seek God. If you truly do follow God, then people look at you weird because you are not "normal." To be clear I fail miserably at not following God, but I really think the persecution has already begun - it began about 10 years ago and has increased dramatically and will increase dramatically in the coming years.

Even more is the presentation of men as incompetent fools in mainstream films. It's reached the point where I honestly just don't care about films nowadays and actually go back to watching old things. Even then, the creativity is so low that they do gender swapped remakes of older films. I mean, it's laziness if anything.

Looking into the Norton guy on the other thread had given me a shocking and unnerving insight into those people against the church. I believe this is the persecution or at least a very large part of what we can expect to experience. He is a wolf in sheep clothing if there ever was one. And it's not just him, he says that if he speaks to 100 mormons, he has a 75% success rate and getting them to leave the church. And he has other members doing his inside jobs.

There is an unsettling movement to "convert" mormons and it's not just from prior members but general christianity. The stuff that will bring the persecution is our practices and our beliefs. We are kind of bizarre and have many cultists characteristics about us.

There are many issues in our church history and that sure doesn't help to bring credibility to the church. So, I don't think the main persecution will be anything but a simple discrediting and outing of Mormonism.

If this guy can do what he's doing and deceive as much as he has, there is a problem. Why didn't anyone know? Well, he's very very good and convincing and actually appears to still have faith and say all the right things until you hear his wolf side. And he does have a bit of a point, where is the discernment among our members? Perhaps we all should heed the counsel to obtain this gift to protect our wards and families. Their arguments can very easily take many members into inactivity. I can see this as a bigger threat and bigger danger which I believe makes all the other "problems" such as WOW, pornography, femanism, pale in comparison.

The weapons of the adversary are out in force, and it's bad. It's real, it's tangible, it's truth mixed with lies, it's convincing, it's interesting, it's beyond damaging because it does work. Like he said 75/100 leave the church after talking to him. There are many others.

I know someone who happened to be an old friend that gathers a few others and they take special trips "missions" to places where you find mormons and try to tell them they are Devils and want to save them. I thought that was disturbing but had no idea how big of a movement it has become.

Summary, I think the persecution will come simply because of our beliefs.

Arenera wrote: ↑June 25th, 2018, 3:22 pm The Saints are such a small percentage of the world population. What would cause the persecution of the Saints from the adversary?

Linking up with LGBTQ?

Having an opposing stand (with power?) against the world led by the adversary?

Any ideas?

To receive persecution like unto them of old or even like unto the early saints would come about by the saints to stand resolutely upon the principles of truth/righteousness. I do not even begin to consider that persecution is happening now for the above named reasons of LGBT or other "family" matters. The disappointing facts are, is that we have caved into the pressures/persecutions from Babylon for the last 120 plus years in regards the gospel, the family, the truth and principle etc. And we are continuing to cave to popular prejudices. If you want persecution, or, not necessarily want it, but would make an unsolicited invitation, just live truly the fullness of the everlasting gospel, and actively seek to bring about Zion instead of the Babylonian system that we put the name of "Zion" on.
If the church would truly unite upon the principles of Zion you would see not just this nation rise up against it but all of the nations of Babylon. But instead we go out of our way to hold hands with the society of Babylon.

BeNotDeceived wrote: ↑June 26th, 2018, 8:23 am

investigator wrote: ↑June 25th, 2018, 3:59 pm When a people raise up and begin to exhibit the fruits of the spirit, I.E. healing by faith, showing forth mighty miracles, testifying of visions, testifying of meeting with the Lord, calling people to repent and turn to the Lord, prophesying in the name of the Lord. Those people will be persecuted.

Things turning sour in the spring of 2024 after 7yrs of prosperity may set them off. While that’s based primarily on biblical patterns, the Hancock Prophecy is exclusively ours. Nothing upsets idiots more than the stark realization that they were wrong, and irrational actions should be expected.

Do you mind repeating/quoting or linking to this Hancock Prophecy please? Thanks.

Yeah all christians are being persecuted, just its very subtle here right now. All we need is a match to light the fire and we're gonna be roasting real quick.

Opposition of the gospel of Jesus Christ, testifies of its truthfulness.

For one thing;

" One doctrine presents a particular challenge. It is our firm conviction that The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is, as the revelations state, “the only true and living church upon the face of the whole earth.” (D&C 1:30.)

This doctrine often generates resistance and repels the casual investigator.

Some have said, “We want nothing to do with anyone who makes so presumptuous a claim as that.”

The early Latter-day Saints were bitterly persecuted for holding to this doctrine. They were the butt of many clever stories. We, of course, are not free from that today." Boyd K. Packer

And;

Prophets through the ages have always come under attack because according to the scriptures,“The guilty taketh the truth to be hard, for it cutteth them to the very center” (1 Nephi 16:2)

AND, the LGBTQ taketh the truth to be hard because;


God is the judge for sin, not them. They do not dictate God's standards, sin is defined by God. "God is the same yesterday, today, and forever."

Durzan wrote: ↑July 1st, 2018, 5:15 pm Yeah all christians are being persecuted, just its very subtle here right now. All we need is a match to light the fire and we're gonna be roasting real quick.

Tell Bill Whatcott that it is "subtle".

https://thefederalist.com/2018/06/28/ca ... sexuality/

Jesef wrote: ↑July 1st, 2018, 12:29 pm

BeNotDeceived wrote: ↑June 26th, 2018, 8:23 am

investigator wrote: ↑June 25th, 2018, 3:59 pm When a people raise up and begin to exhibit the fruits of the spirit, I.E. healing by faith, showing forth mighty miracles, testifying of visions, testifying of meeting with the Lord, calling people to repent and turn to the Lord, prophesying in the name of the Lord. Those people will be persecuted.

Things turning sour in the spring of 2024 after 7yrs of prosperity may set them off. While that’s based primarily on biblical patterns, the Hancock Prophecy is exclusively ours. Nothing upsets idiots more than the stark realization that they were wrong, and irrational actions should be expected.

Do you mind repeating/quoting or linking to this Hancock Prophecy please? Thanks.

An excerpt from one of my favorite books.

"Mosiah Hancock, son of a close friend and bodyguard of Joseph Smith, recorded an important prophecy as having been made by the Prophet.

According to his diary, this prophecy was made the day after Joseph made his final speech to the Nauvoo Legion (Wednesday, June 19, 1844; eight days before his martyrdom).

After telling how the Prophet discussed a map of the West and foretold the route the Saints would follow in their western exodus, Hancock records Joseph Smith statement to him that,

"There will be two great political parties in this country. One will be called the Republicans* and the other the Democrat party. These two parties will go to war, and out of these two parties will spring another party which will be the … https://books.google.com/books?id=3Rc47 ... on&f=false

The republican Party originated in Ripon Wis. in early 1854 and was formalized on July 4, 1854 in Jackson, Michigan. The first national convention was held in Philadelphia, PA., on June 17, 1856.

Ten years after this prophecy was made!

AMAZING that these remain the dominant parties, to the current day.

Arenera wrote: ↑June 25th, 2018, 3:22 pm The Saints are such a small percentage of the world population. What would cause the persecution of the Saints from the adversary?

Linking up with LGBTQ?

Having an opposing stand (with power?) against the world led by the adversary?

Any ideas?

I think "linking up" with the LGBTQ movement would garner the praise of the World rather than persecution.