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Re: Asking a Direct Question. Tokens and signs
Posted: June 23rd, 2018, 7:17 am
by TrueIntent
Robin Hood wrote: ↑June 23rd, 2018, 1:05 am
TrueIntent wrote: ↑June 22nd, 2018, 6:16 pm
Robin Hood wrote: ↑June 22nd, 2018, 7:24 am
TrueIntent wrote: ↑June 21st, 2018, 11:45 am
So, I believe in tokens and signs. This question is directed at those who have “knowledge” not speculation. I just came across this article as well as pondering the story of Lot.
Please read this article? It’s about sex with Angels and spirits based on a mans post.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/aaronleitc ... irits/amp/
The men banging on lots door want to “know” the spirits.
Now for the counterfeit....is Satan (and his followers) delivering tokens and signs by sex with spirits?
Which is why Lot (receiving messengers prepares a meal without leavin). And they prepare the counterfeit “to know” them.
Does anyone have “knowledge” that this is how the counterfeit is working? BecAuse I think it is. I just had an epiphany.
I read the article you linked to.
Sorry, but it's a pile of the brown stuff.
What specifically is a pile of brown stuff? I’m not vague, direct questions require direct answers so we don’t mislead anyone.
I think you know exactly what I mean.
The article is complete nonsense.... utter garbage.
Once again, I’m not the one being vague. I can’t tell if you are referring to the guy sleeping with a spirit concubine as garbage or my post, which is its opposite.
Re: Asking a Direct Question. Tokens and signs
Posted: June 23rd, 2018, 7:26 am
by TrueIntent
eddie wrote: ↑June 23rd, 2018, 2:08 am
TrueIntent wrote: ↑June 22nd, 2018, 11:11 pm
MMbelieve wrote: ↑June 22nd, 2018, 10:33 pm
This is a weird thread and I have no idea what you guys are talking about, lol.
Lol. Not kidding this makes me smile. No worries. Most people don’t understand what I’m saying. But the people on the forum are the closest I will ever get to understanding me. It’s a good place to start. It’s okay. Read it,,,keep it in your brAin and at some point the pieces start to form into the concept.
I don't quite understand what you are saying, but I understand what you are doing..
If you don’t understand me then you can’t claim to know what I’m doing. I have observed that people on the forum make comments like yours to try and mislead people. If you want to debate me then debate me by being clear. But you will need to attempt to understand the context in scripture. Obviously I am pairing this context with our ordinace and possible spiritual midwifery teachings and polygamy, and receiving messengers. . But of course you understand that. Hence your comment and it’s vagueness. As for the article. I didn’t read the whole thing either, just the part about the guy sleeping with a spirit concubine. Just so you know. Now that Im clear. Let’s have you be. This is my intention in this post. I had an epiphany.
Re: Asking a Direct Question. Tokens and signs
Posted: June 23rd, 2018, 7:30 am
by TrueIntent
Btw. I don’t believe Peter James and John want you to accept a concubine. Just so I’m clear. That would mean you are involved with spiritual adultery. I am insinuating in this article that the messenGers are all spiritual. Other wise why would Jospeh smith tell us how to identify them. And test them. In the endowment and the doctrine and covenants. It’s a great idea. Fits perfectly with our history and Jospeh receiving apostles and prophets peter James and John Elijah to receive keys.
Re: Asking a Direct Question. Tokens and signs
Posted: June 23rd, 2018, 9:11 am
by RTaylor
davedan wrote: ↑June 21st, 2018, 2:30 pm
Satan's counterfeit signs have to do with how to take life (Hugh Nibley): cut throat, heart, bowel etc. These signs were first taught to Cain by Satan and have been passed down through the ages. This is how Cain to murder Abel by Satan.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCVAOqbf3p4
True signs have to do with service in the priesthood: obedience, service, blessing, consecration.
This isn't black and white. True that satan uses them but so does God.
Most important of all, the sacrifice of his son Jesus Christ. The cross is loaded with symbolism. Abraham and Isaac. The flood, baptism including our own, second coming, baptism by fire. The fact that each of us will die etc.
Just because satan counterfeit's don't be deceived.
As to the OP, have you read the book of Enoch? Study it. But be prayerful and open minded. In short, my opinion, sex with angels is wrong. Sex will always be wrong when not proceeded by marriage covenants and the resulting promises to each other.
Re: Asking a Direct Question. Tokens and signs
Posted: June 23rd, 2018, 9:46 am
by Robin Hood
TrueIntent wrote: ↑June 23rd, 2018, 7:17 am
Robin Hood wrote: ↑June 23rd, 2018, 1:05 am
TrueIntent wrote: ↑June 22nd, 2018, 6:16 pm
Robin Hood wrote: ↑June 22nd, 2018, 7:24 am
I read the article you linked to.
Sorry, but it's a pile of the brown stuff.
What specifically is a pile of brown stuff? I’m not vague, direct questions require direct answers so we don’t mislead anyone.
I think you know exactly what I mean.
The article is complete nonsense.... utter garbage.
Once again, I’m not the one being vague. I can’t tell if you are referring to the guy sleeping with a spirit concubine as garbage or my post, which is its opposite.
Do you understand English grammar?
"I read the article you linked to. Sorry, but it's a pile of the brown stuff."
"It's" is clearly referring to the article, as I'm sure you knew.
I think you were just trying to be vague and indirect.
Re: Asking a Direct Question. Tokens and signs
Posted: June 23rd, 2018, 12:27 pm
by eddie
TrueIntent wrote: ↑June 23rd, 2018, 7:30 am
Btw. I don’t believe Peter James and John want you to accept a concubine. Just so I’m clear. That would mean you are involved with spiritual adultery. I am insinuating in this article that the messenGers are all spiritual. Other wise why would Jospeh smith tell us how to identify them. And test them. In the endowment and the doctrine and covenants. It’s a great idea. Fits perfectly with our history and Jospeh receiving apostles and prophets peter James and John Elijah to receive keys.
For an intelligent and articulated response, posted articles need to make sense.
Re: Asking a Direct Question. Tokens and signs
Posted: June 23rd, 2018, 3:04 pm
by TrueIntent
Robin Hood wrote: ↑June 23rd, 2018, 9:46 am
TrueIntent wrote: ↑June 23rd, 2018, 7:17 am
Robin Hood wrote: ↑June 23rd, 2018, 1:05 am
TrueIntent wrote: ↑June 22nd, 2018, 6:16 pm
What specifically is a pile of brown stuff? I’m not vague, direct questions require direct answers so we don’t mislead anyone.
I think you know exactly what I mean.
The article is complete nonsense.... utter garbage.
Once again, I’m not the one being vague. I can’t tell if you are referring to the guy sleeping with a spirit concubine as garbage or my post, which is its opposite.
Do you understand English grammar?
"I read the article you linked to. Sorry, but it's a pile of the brown stuff."
"It's" is clearly referring to the article, as I'm sure you knew.
I think you were just trying to be vague and indirect.
What part of the article? Do you believe the man taking a spirirual concubine is a “fake” story? Or do you believe it’s a real story? Do you think it’s brown stuff because it’s shocking that a man would do that? Or do you think the whole thing is made up?
I don’t know how to spell it out any cleArer than that. Now? I’ve given you direct questions, I have also clearly defined my intentions in this article. Please answer directly so people can discern your intentions, or don’t answer and let them discern.
Re: Asking a Direct Question. Tokens and signs
Posted: June 23rd, 2018, 3:12 pm
by TrueIntent
eddie wrote: ↑June 23rd, 2018, 12:27 pm
TrueIntent wrote: ↑June 23rd, 2018, 7:30 am
Btw. I don’t believe Peter James and John want you to accept a concubine. Just so I’m clear. That would mean you are involved with spiritual adultery. I am insinuating in this article that the messenGers are all spiritual. Other wise why would Jospeh smith tell us how to identify them. And test them. In the endowment and the doctrine and covenants. It’s a great idea. Fits perfectly with our history and Jospeh receiving apostles and prophets peter James and John Elijah to receive keys.
For an intelligent and articulated response, posted articles need to make sense.
My post or the article? Because the article is being used as documentation to present a truth that people can take “spiritual concubines” and interact this way through the veil. Btw, it’s not just the article, there are books from the 1800s that detail people taking spiritual spouses. Stuff is found with catholic nuns and immaculate conception taking “husbands” Christ....etc. It’s been done. I’m not sure what you want from me. I’m making a point. What’s yours? Ask a question and I’ll clarify. Don’t give me some generic statement that I can’t respond to. Have you received the endowment and have you read church history, have you studied polygamy and spiritual midwifery? If not, this post probably won’t make sense to you
Re: Asking a Direct Question. Tokens and signs
Posted: June 23rd, 2018, 3:44 pm
by TrueIntent
MMbelieve wrote: ↑June 22nd, 2018, 11:47 pm
TrueIntent wrote: ↑June 22nd, 2018, 11:13 pm
TrueIntent wrote: ↑June 22nd, 2018, 11:11 pm
MMbelieve wrote: ↑June 22nd, 2018, 10:33 pm
This is a weird thread and I have no idea what you guys are talking about, lol.
Lol. Not kidding this makes me smile. No worries. Most people don’t understand what I’m saying. But the people on the forum are the closest I will ever get to understanding me. It’s a good place to start. It’s okay. Read it,,,keep it in your brAin and at some point the pieces start to form into the concept.
MMbelieve, don’t know if you are endowed but being endowed helps with the concept. Otherwise, having knowledge of rituals in general even Jewish culture/ordinances helps.
I am but you lost me pretty early on, granted I haven't given much thought to it yet.
Your endowment teachings you how to test and receive messengers so that you can reveive keys to the melkezedek priesthood. That’s what your doing. It’s an ordinance, which is just a pattern. It doesn’t mean you are actually “endowed with power”. You’ve just received the pattern. I am posting this article to reveal what I believe is a “false” messenger type experience Everything must be received within the “bounds” the Lord has set. Spiritual adultery breaks the boundary. I think I’m helping people out by sharing this. Basically, once you get on the “priesthood” path it’s about discerning good from evil.
Just so you know.,,,people who “get on the priesthood path” begin piercing the veil. They begin having visions, spiritual experiences, etc. messengers want something from you and. You want something from them. You exchange tokens and signs or, “knowledge”. Hopefully you want God to send you help for righteous purposes. Right?
Meaning, this guy’s marriage was bad, he prayed for a concubine he got one. But if he had asked instead how to fix his marriage and possibly offered up repentance, I guarantee his experience would have been different. He would have got his wife and his marriage
Obviously I’m speculating on his situation. But I’m not on my own personal. What I realized, after having a spiritual experience, there is this whole secret world going on behind the scenes with the priesthood and people in the church although I’m pretty confident it’s mostly in the leadership positions these conversations go down.
Here’s the deal, one of the signs is what goes down at Morley Farm. You get to meet the “man of sin” so that you know how to identify him. Read those stories. It’s scary. The path is not for everyone. Listen. I don’t KNOW anything, but I’m not talking out of my butt. I’ve got more “knowledge” than I let on. Assuming this isn’t all a bunch of hocus pocus. Right.
Read about Morley farm and the brethren in the early church receiving their endowment. Has anyone told you this is part of your endowment?
Re: Asking a Direct Question. Tokens and signs
Posted: June 23rd, 2018, 3:47 pm
by TrueIntent
RTaylor wrote: ↑June 23rd, 2018, 9:11 am
davedan wrote: ↑June 21st, 2018, 2:30 pm
Satan's counterfeit signs have to do with how to take life (Hugh Nibley): cut throat, heart, bowel etc. These signs were first taught to Cain by Satan and have been passed down through the ages. This is how Cain to murder Abel by Satan.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCVAOqbf3p4
True signs have to do with service in the priesthood: obedience, service, blessing, consecration.
This isn't black and white. True that satan uses them but so does God.
Most important of all, the sacrifice of his son Jesus Christ. The cross is loaded with symbolism. Abraham and Isaac. The flood, baptism including our own, second coming, baptism by fire. The fact that each of us will die etc.
Just because satan counterfeit's don't be deceived.
As to the OP, have you read the book of Enoch? Study it. But be prayerful and open minded. In short, my opinion, sex with angels is wrong. Sex will always be wrong when not proceeded by marriage covenants and the resulting promises to each other.
I know about the book of Enoch. It absolutely matches the pattern as I understand it, anyway, when it comes to the sons of god part. But I haven’t read it in it’s entirety. It’s easy to take patterns literally. It’s better to apply them spiritually first. It will keep you from getting of the path you want to be on. One you get sealed as one guy’s servant, and the other, you get sealed as HIS. I’d rather be His.
Re: Asking a Direct Question. Tokens and signs
Posted: June 23rd, 2018, 4:24 pm
by TrueIntent
TrueIntent wrote: ↑June 23rd, 2018, 3:44 pm
MMbelieve wrote: ↑June 22nd, 2018, 11:47 pm
TrueIntent wrote: ↑June 22nd, 2018, 11:13 pm
TrueIntent wrote: ↑June 22nd, 2018, 11:11 pm
Lol. Not kidding this makes me smile. No worries. Most people don’t understand what I’m saying. But the people on the forum are the closest I will ever get to understanding me. It’s a good place to start. It’s okay. Read it,,,keep it in your brAin and at some point the pieces start to form into the concept.
MMbelieve, don’t know if you are endowed but being endowed helps with the concept. Otherwise, having knowledge of rituals in general even Jewish culture/ordinances helps.
I am but you lost me pretty early on, granted I haven't given much thought to it yet.
Your endowment teachings you how to test and receive messengers so that you can reveive keys to the melkezedek priesthood. That’s what your doing. It’s an ordinance, which is just a pattern. It doesn’t mean you are actually “endowed with power”. You’ve just received the pattern. I am posting this article to reveal what I believe is a “false” messenger type experience Everything must be received within the “bounds” the Lord has set. Spiritual adultery breaks the boundary. I think I’m helping people out by sharing this. Basically, once you get on the “priesthood” path it’s about discerning good from evil.
Just so you know.,,,people who “get on the priesthood path” begin piercing the veil. They begin having visions, spiritual experiences, etc. messengers want something from you and. You want something from them. You exchange tokens and signs or, “knowledge”. Hopefully you want God to send you help for righteous purposes. Right?
Meaning, this guy’s marriage was bad, he prayed for a concubine he got one. But if he had asked instead how to fix his marriage and possibly offered up repentance, I guarantee his experience would have been different. He would have got his wife and his marriage
Obviously I’m speculating on his situation. But I’m not on my own personal. What I realized, after having a spiritual experience, there is this whole secret world going on behind the scenes with the priesthood and people in the church although I’m pretty confident it’s mostly in the leadership positions these conversations go down.
Here’s the deal, one of the signs is what goes down at Morley Farm. You get to meet the “man of sin” so that you know how to identify him. Read those stories. It’s scary. The path is not for everyone. Listen. I don’t KNOW anything, but I’m not talking out of my butt. I’ve got more “knowledge” than I let on. Assuming this isn’t all a bunch of hocus pocus. Right.
Read about Morley farm and the brethren in the early church receiving their endowment. Has anyone told you this is part of your endowment?
So I’m going to be blunt. Satan is the one who comes to sift you and see if you have kept your covenants. See the journal entries from Morley Farm here...he will also set himself up as an “Antichrist”, one who will mock god and “copy “ his signs. Lyman Wright says the heavens opened during his experience however, after now reading the entries, I’m pretty sure that the Antichrist set himself up within Lyman. He’s described as a bossy dictator type spirit that possess him in some of the entries. Lyman and Brigham are two of the people who left with the temple ordinances. Lyman established his own church, and you can read about their endowments compared with Brigham’s. Things have been altered, but not enough so you can’t see what’s happening.
This is the same story in the New Testament as the apostle that withholds the “tithe” or property and is struck dead. It does you no good to seek after the priesthood power if you haven’t fully repented or lived a righteous life (which is different that completing a checklist). But, for me, faithfully doing my checklist lead to asking questions. It’s all part of the path.
Re: Asking a Direct Question. Tokens and signs
Posted: June 23rd, 2018, 4:28 pm
by TrueIntent
Here are the Morley farm documents, it’s all about posterity.
https://web.archive.org/web/20120219062 ... 6_x4.phtml
Re: Asking a Direct Question. Tokens and signs
Posted: June 23rd, 2018, 4:28 pm
by MMbelieve
TrueIntent wrote: ↑June 23rd, 2018, 3:44 pm
MMbelieve wrote: ↑June 22nd, 2018, 11:47 pm
TrueIntent wrote: ↑June 22nd, 2018, 11:13 pm
TrueIntent wrote: ↑June 22nd, 2018, 11:11 pm
Lol. Not kidding this makes me smile. No worries. Most people don’t understand what I’m saying. But the people on the forum are the closest I will ever get to understanding me. It’s a good place to start. It’s okay. Read it,,,keep it in your brAin and at some point the pieces start to form into the concept.
MMbelieve, don’t know if you are endowed but being endowed helps with the concept. Otherwise, having knowledge of rituals in general even Jewish culture/ordinances helps.
I am but you lost me pretty early on, granted I haven't given much thought to it yet.
Your endowment teachings you how to test and receive messengers so that you can reveive keys to the melkezedek priesthood. That’s what your doing. It’s an ordinance, which is just a pattern. It doesn’t mean you are actually “endowed with power”. You’ve just received the pattern. I am posting this article to reveal what I believe is a “false” messenger type experience Everything must be received within the “bounds” the Lord has set. Spiritual adultery breaks the boundary. I think I’m helping people out by sharing this. Basically, once you get on the “priesthood” path it’s about discerning good from evil.
Just so you know.,,,people who “get on the priesthood path” begin piercing the veil. They begin having visions, spiritual experiences, etc. messengers want something from you and. You want something from them. You exchange tokens and signs or, “knowledge”. Hopefully you want God to send you help for righteous purposes. Right?
Meaning, this guy’s marriage was bad, he prayed for a concubine he got one. But if he had asked instead how to fix his marriage and possibly offered up repentance, I guarantee his experience would have been different. He would have got his wife and his marriage
Obviously I’m speculating on his situation. But I’m not on my own personal. What I realized, after having a spiritual experience, there is this whole secret world going on behind the scenes with the priesthood and people in the church although I’m pretty confident it’s mostly in the leadership positions these conversations go down.
Here’s the deal, one of the signs is what goes down at Morley Farm. You get to meet the “man of sin” so that you know how to identify him. Read those stories. It’s scary. The path is not for everyone. Listen. I don’t KNOW anything, but I’m not talking out of my butt. I’ve got more “knowledge” than I let on. Assuming this isn’t all a bunch of hocus pocus. Right.
Read about Morley farm and the brethren in the early church receiving their endowment. Has anyone told you this is part of your endowment?
I understand quite a bit and am aware of there being "behind" the scenes activities and meanings. We see very little of everything that does happen and we understand little of what there is to eventually understand.
Perhaps your losing me on wording. People have their own ways of speaking and relaying those thoughts to others. I think you have a curious mind, haha. Would take time to understand your way of speaking. Principles can be the same but lost in how someone relays it. I will think on it more.
Re: Asking a Direct Question. Tokens and signs
Posted: June 23rd, 2018, 5:23 pm
by TrueIntent
Sorry. I probably am. When I speak I combine scripture church history and ordinances. There are a handful of people who understand all this because to understand a lot of what I am saying, you would have to be very familiar with all of this in context. It’s kind of like understanding Isaiah. Basically if someone wants to know more they need to study Morley farm journal entries, the New Testament example I gave above, the story of Jacob that wrestled with the angel, and also the 3 temptations of Christ where Satan comes. As well as the story of korihor. As well as the visions where Joseph Smith is bound by Satan. There are four first visions for a reason.,,,in my opinion. Then go ask God.
Re: Asking a Direct Question. Tokens and signs
Posted: June 24th, 2018, 1:44 am
by inho
I don't believe in "spiritual concubines".
Re: Asking a Direct Question. Tokens and signs
Posted: June 24th, 2018, 10:23 am
by SwissMrs&Pitchfire
Hate to participate, but just to be clear the signs, tokens, and keywords are all on Youtube. Anyone that relies on some magical spell that keeps satanic messengers from being able to replicate these things is foolish to say the least.
The temple experience is largely preparatory in my opinion and most of what we recieve there (aside from checking boxes by participating in our own endowment etc...) is figurative and a type of things to come in the spirit world. Our new name is not our final new name, it is just some randomly mass asigned name that is far more drivers training simulator than Indy 500. The key words, signs, and tokens (available anywhere "The God Makers" is sold) are likewise placeholders for a time and place where the veil is less 300 thread count Eqyptian cotton sheet and more actual veil.
Just because a "messenger" knows what is on Youtube does not mean that anything thereafter (or before) is Godly!!! Why we would not trust living members who know the same signs, tokens, and key words (who despite that may yet molest children, abuse spouses etc...) and yet trust without reserve the disembodied spirtits for knowing the exact same things is beyond me!!!
Oh yeah, Joseph Smith said... Nevermind...
Re: Asking a Direct Question. Tokens and signs
Posted: June 24th, 2018, 11:39 am
by TrueIntent
SwissMrs&Pitchfire wrote: ↑June 24th, 2018, 10:23 am
Hate to participate, but just to be clear the signs, tokens, and keywords are all on Youtube. Anyone that relies on some magical spell that keeps satanic messengers from being able to replicate these things is foolish to say the least.
The temple experience is largely preparatory in my opinion and most of what we recieve there (aside from checking boxes by participating in our own endowment etc...) is figurative and a type of things to come in the spirit world. Our new name is not our final new name, it is just some randomly mass asigned name that is far more drivers training simulator than Indy 500. The key words, signs, and tokens (available anywhere "The God Makers" is sold) are likewise placeholders for a time and place where the veil is less 300 thread count Eqyptian cotton sheet and more actual veil.
Just because a "messenger" knows what is on Youtube does not mean that anything thereafter (or before) is Godly!!! Why we would not trust living members who know the same signs, tokens, and key words (who despite that may yet molest children, abuse spouses etc...) and yet trust without reserve the disembodied spirtits for knowing the exact same things is beyond me!!!
Oh yeah, Joseph Smith said... Nevermind...
I 100 percent agree with you. Ordinances are patterns. They are just symbols. We must allow the spirit to teach us how to apply these symbols. That’s the path of learning about God. There are lots of groups of people “interpreting” the symbols, only the spirit can interpret them. God wants us to know who He is from his spirit.
I think it’s beautiful that Joseph used masonry symbols to lay out the pattern of Gods symbols (obvious that’s part of the pattern). God has dual nature. He wants us to discern why Joseph smith said masonry was a pagan practice, and yet he used their symbols to help us find God. It’s like coming down from the mount and finding Gods children worshiping a golden calf.
The most ancient symbol we have of gods name in Hebrew is a pictograph. It’s Arms raised, as if praying toward heaven, two people joined with a “peg or nail” connecting them. With an arm coming down from heaven. This IS God. It mirrors something we do in the temple with arms raised and a sure nail. It’s story of Jael in the Bible. It’s more than a name, it’s a title, it’s a description.