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Spirit of God
Posted: June 18th, 2018, 9:35 am
by Finrock
The spirit of God is not:
* fear
* threats
* intimidation
* bitterness
* hatred
* mean spirited
* haughty
* self-righteous
* unkind
* crude
* harsh
* rude
* exclusive
* tribal
* oppressive
The spirit of God is:
* kind
* gentle
* meek
* humble
* love
* pleasant
* inclusive
* freedom
* liberty
* joy
* happiness
* peace
* hopeful
Take note of how you are feeling. Take note of your words, your thoughts, your deeds. Be introspective and measure your feelings, thoughts, and actions against the attributes of the Holy Spirit so you can know what spirit is influencing you, your thoughts, and your ideas. Evil is not good and good is not evil. An bad tree can't bring forth good fruit and a good tree can't bring forth bad fruit.
-Finrock
Re: Spirit of God
Posted: June 18th, 2018, 4:41 pm
by MMbelieve
Thank you for putting this list together, gave me a nice family home evening idea.
Re: Spirit of God
Posted: June 18th, 2018, 8:46 pm
by jadd
Finrock wrote: ↑June 18th, 2018, 9:35 am
The spirit of God is not:
* fear
* threats
* intimidation
* bitterness
* hatred
* mean spirited
* haughty
* self-righteous
* unkind
* crude
* harsh
* rude
* exclusive
* tribal
* oppressive
The spirit of God is:
* kind
* gentle
* meek
* humble
* love
* pleasant
* inclusive
* freedom
* liberty
* joy
* happiness
* peace
* hopeful
Take note of how you are feeling. Take note of your words, your thoughts, your deeds. Be introspective and measure your feelings, thoughts, and actions against the attributes of the Holy Spirit so you can know what spirit is influencing you, your thoughts, and your ideas. Evil is not good and good is not evil. An bad tree can't bring forth good fruit and a good tree can't bring forth bad fruit.
-Finrock
I would also add, however, that at time it is also sharp and there can be anger associated with the Spirit of God. I have felt righteous anger before and it is very different that "normal anger." That being said, afterwards, I felt and incredible amount of love towards the individuals with whom I was directed to speak with sharpness.
Re: Spirit of God
Posted: June 19th, 2018, 3:57 pm
by investigator
Alma 36: 7 And behold, he spake unto us, as it were the voice of thunder, and the whole earth did tremble beneath our feet; and we all fell to the earth, for the fear of the Lord came upon us.8 But behold, the voice said unto me: Arise. And I arose and stood up, and beheld the angel. 9 And he said unto me: If thou wilt of thyself be destroyed, seek no more to destroy the church of God.
Re: Spirit of God
Posted: June 20th, 2018, 12:43 pm
by Finrock
jadd wrote: ↑June 18th, 2018, 8:46 pm
Finrock wrote: ↑June 18th, 2018, 9:35 am
The spirit of God is not:
* fear
* threats
* intimidation
* bitterness
* hatred
* mean spirited
* haughty
* self-righteous
* unkind
* crude
* harsh
* rude
* exclusive
* tribal
* oppressive
The spirit of God is:
* kind
* gentle
* meek
* humble
* love
* pleasant
* inclusive
* freedom
* liberty
* joy
* happiness
* peace
* hopeful
Take note of how you are feeling. Take note of your words, your thoughts, your deeds. Be introspective and measure your feelings, thoughts, and actions against the attributes of the Holy Spirit so you can know what spirit is influencing you, your thoughts, and your ideas. Evil is not good and good is not evil. An bad tree can't bring forth good fruit and a good tree can't bring forth bad fruit.
-Finrock
I would also add, however, that at time it is also sharp and there can be anger associated with the Spirit of God. I have felt righteous anger before and it is very different that "normal anger." That being said, afterwards, I felt and incredible amount of love towards the individuals with whom I was directed to speak with sharpness.
If by anger you mean "an emotion that results from judging others unrighteously, wanting to control others, or selfishly wanting our own ends met" then God does not get angry. Anger as is commonly used and defined is a "feeling of hostility, resentment, wrath, or ire." God does not possess these attributes. These are attributes and characteristics of sin. God does not sin.
The spirit can be sharp, or, direct, but that isn't anger neither is it motivated by anger nor does it come from a place of anger. There is no such thing as "righteous anger". Children perceive sharp direction as anger. Quite often God's actions get interpreted by people who are living in sin as anger because they don't like the consequences, but, that is a state of mind of individuals, not God's character or attribute.
-Finrock
Source for quotes:
https://www.lds.org/ensign/1980/02/the- ... r?lang=eng
Re: Spirit of God
Posted: June 20th, 2018, 4:00 pm
by jadd
Finrock wrote: ↑June 20th, 2018, 12:43 pm
jadd wrote: ↑June 18th, 2018, 8:46 pm
Finrock wrote: ↑June 18th, 2018, 9:35 am
The spirit of God is not:
* fear
* threats
* intimidation
* bitterness
* hatred
* mean spirited
* haughty
* self-righteous
* unkind
* crude
* harsh
* rude
* exclusive
* tribal
* oppressive
The spirit of God is:
* kind
* gentle
* meek
* humble
* love
* pleasant
* inclusive
* freedom
* liberty
* joy
* happiness
* peace
* hopeful
Take note of how you are feeling. Take note of your words, your thoughts, your deeds. Be introspective and measure your feelings, thoughts, and actions against the attributes of the Holy Spirit so you can know what spirit is influencing you, your thoughts, and your ideas. Evil is not good and good is not evil. An bad tree can't bring forth good fruit and a good tree can't bring forth bad fruit.
-Finrock
I would also add, however, that at time it is also sharp and there can be anger associated with the Spirit of God. I have felt righteous anger before and it is very different that "normal anger." That being said, afterwards, I felt and incredible amount of love towards the individuals with whom I was directed to speak with sharpness.
If by anger you mean "an emotion that results from judging others unrighteously, wanting to control others, or selfishly wanting our own ends met" then God does not get angry. Anger as is commonly used and defined is a "feeling of hostility, resentment, wrath, or ire." God does not possess these attributes. These are attributes and characteristics of sin. God does not sin.
The spirit can be sharp, or, direct, but that isn't anger neither is it motivated by anger nor does it come from a place of anger. There is no such thing as "righteous anger". Children perceive sharp direction as anger. Quite often God's actions get interpreted by people who are living in sin as anger because they don't like the consequences, but, that is a state of mind of individuals, not God's character or attribute.
-Finrock
Source for quotes:
https://www.lds.org/ensign/1980/02/the- ... r?lang=eng
Did it honestly sound like I meant the first type of anger? Did you read what I wrote? Did I not differentiate it from "normal anger"?
"It is true that there is a rare time and place for the expression of righteous anger—the Lord himself has expressed indignation and anger when the circumstances warranted such reactions. Righteous anger is a controlled response to an unrighteous situation, however, not the kind of emotional outbursts most of us are all too familiar with. It is this uncontrolled, emotion-charged anger—and the attendant contention that arises out of it—that is referred to in this article." - Found in the Handbook for Families and the Ensign article below.
Source for quote
https://www.lds.org/ensign/1988/09/deal ... n?lang=eng
Re: Spirit of God
Posted: June 20th, 2018, 4:14 pm
by Finrock
jadd wrote: ↑June 20th, 2018, 4:00 pm
Finrock wrote: ↑June 20th, 2018, 12:43 pm
jadd wrote: ↑June 18th, 2018, 8:46 pm
Finrock wrote: ↑June 18th, 2018, 9:35 am
The spirit of God is not:
* fear
* threats
* intimidation
* bitterness
* hatred
* mean spirited
* haughty
* self-righteous
* unkind
* crude
* harsh
* rude
* exclusive
* tribal
* oppressive
The spirit of God is:
* kind
* gentle
* meek
* humble
* love
* pleasant
* inclusive
* freedom
* liberty
* joy
* happiness
* peace
* hopeful
Take note of how you are feeling. Take note of your words, your thoughts, your deeds. Be introspective and measure your feelings, thoughts, and actions against the attributes of the Holy Spirit so you can know what spirit is influencing you, your thoughts, and your ideas. Evil is not good and good is not evil. An bad tree can't bring forth good fruit and a good tree can't bring forth bad fruit.
-Finrock
I would also add, however, that at time it is also sharp and there can be anger associated with the Spirit of God. I have felt righteous anger before and it is very different that "normal anger." That being said, afterwards, I felt and incredible amount of love towards the individuals with whom I was directed to speak with sharpness.
If by anger you mean "an emotion that results from judging others unrighteously, wanting to control others, or selfishly wanting our own ends met" then God does not get angry. Anger as is commonly used and defined is a "feeling of hostility, resentment, wrath, or ire." God does not possess these attributes. These are attributes and characteristics of sin. God does not sin.
The spirit can be sharp, or, direct, but that isn't anger neither is it motivated by anger nor does it come from a place of anger. There is no such thing as "righteous anger". Children perceive sharp direction as anger. Quite often God's actions get interpreted by people who are living in sin as anger because they don't like the consequences, but, that is a state of mind of individuals, not God's character or attribute.
-Finrock
Source for quotes:
https://www.lds.org/ensign/1980/02/the- ... r?lang=eng
Did it honestly sound like I meant the first type of anger? Did you read what I wrote? Did I not differentiate it from "normal anger"?
I have no idea what you think and what you mean by words until you clarify or say so. Yes, I read what you wrote. It is common for people to use the scripture in D&C to justify angry outburst by saying they were just being "sharp" and then following up with an increase in "love". That to me, describes someone who is being abusive and manipulative and unstable. I don't/didn't know how you understood or used these words. The word "sharpness" as used in D&C simply means being direct, not angry, etc.
The reason why people communicate is so they can attempt to understand one another. Did my post offend you some how?
-Finrock
Re: Spirit of God
Posted: June 20th, 2018, 5:37 pm
by jadd
Finrock wrote: ↑June 20th, 2018, 4:14 pm
jadd wrote: ↑June 20th, 2018, 4:00 pm
Finrock wrote: ↑June 20th, 2018, 12:43 pm
jadd wrote: ↑June 18th, 2018, 8:46 pm
I would also add, however, that at time it is also sharp and there can be anger associated with the Spirit of God. I have felt righteous anger before and it is very different that "normal anger." That being said, afterwards, I felt and incredible amount of love towards the individuals with whom I was directed to speak with sharpness.
If by anger you mean "an emotion that results from judging others unrighteously, wanting to control others, or selfishly wanting our own ends met" then God does not get angry. Anger as is commonly used and defined is a "feeling of hostility, resentment, wrath, or ire." God does not possess these attributes. These are attributes and characteristics of sin. God does not sin.
The spirit can be sharp, or, direct, but that isn't anger neither is it motivated by anger nor does it come from a place of anger. There is no such thing as "righteous anger". Children perceive sharp direction as anger. Quite often God's actions get interpreted by people who are living in sin as anger because they don't like the consequences, but, that is a state of mind of individuals, not God's character or attribute.
-Finrock
Source for quotes:
https://www.lds.org/ensign/1980/02/the- ... r?lang=eng
Did it honestly sound like I meant the first type of anger? Did you read what I wrote? Did I not differentiate it from "normal anger"?
I have no idea what you think and what you mean by words until you clarify or say so. Yes, I read what you wrote. It is common for people to use the scripture in D&C to justify angry outburst by saying they were just being "sharp" and then following up with an increase in "love". That to me, describes someone who is being abusive and manipulative and unstable. I don't/didn't know how you understood or used these words. The word "sharpness" as used in D&C simply means being direct, not angry, etc.
The reason why people communicate is so they can attempt to understand one another. Did my post offend you some how?
-Finrock
No, I think it was a mix of a few things first being miscommunication, beginning on my part with what I wrote causing you to react in the way you did. First I felt like you didn't even want to understand what I was saying, it felt like you just immediately wanted to "correct" me with an ensign article assuming you knew what I was saying rather than asking me a question. 2. I assumed (which I admit that I shouldn't have), from that response that you were replying in a somewhat prideful manner because you didin't like me adding something to your post). Taking a step back, I realize that I also assumed that I had written more in my original post than I thought I had (when I see certain words I don't just see a word I also associate experiences with those words which turns into a paragraph - If you follow philosophy, sometimes I see words mythically rather than definitionally. So I responded with an ensign article (and Handbook for Families of how righteous anger does exist and asked the questions I asked. I felt that when I differentiated "normal anger" form "righteous anger" that there should have been an attempt to seek out what I meant rather than to (in my mind immediately assume I am conflating the terms) as you have experienced and seen others do in your own life. That being said I could have been more clear. Nonetheless we are all a sum of our experiences and so we responded to one another in different ways which caused likely miscommunication.
Re: Spirit of God
Posted: June 20th, 2018, 5:48 pm
by Jesef
I think the scriptures basically misrepresent God when they use the terms "fear" and "angry", etc. I don't believe it one bit after the experiences I've had. God is LOVE/LIGHT, pure, infinite. I think we, humans (& prophets) and cultures, have projected our emotions onto God. The scriptures aren't 100% objectively/universally/eternally true in all their representations, words, translations, etc. I haven't met a soul yet that responds better to anger or sharpness than to love & acceptance & compassion - not one. A lot of scriptures over the years have been used to justify abuse, slavery, bigotry, war, even genocide. That's not God. That's us/humans. I think D&C 121 doesn't mean what a lot of people think or interpret it to mean - & I even think it could be imperfect coming through the Joseph Smith filter, too. Scripture doesn't trump Conscience or Spirit or Light - it's an imperfect handbook of other people's inspiration & revelation.
Re: Spirit of God
Posted: June 20th, 2018, 8:41 pm
by I AM
jadd wrote: ↑June 18th, 2018, 8:46 pm
Finrock wrote: ↑June 18th, 2018, 9:35 am
The spirit of God is not:
* fear
* threats
* intimidation
* bitterness
* hatred
* mean spirited
* haughty
* self-righteous
* unkind
* crude
* harsh
* rude
* exclusive
* tribal
* oppressive
The spirit of God is:
* justice
* kind
* gentle
* meek
* humble
* love
* pleasant
* inclusive
* freedom
* liberty
* joy
* happiness
* peace
* hopeful
Take note of how you are feeling. Take note of your words, your thoughts, your deeds. Be introspective and measure your feelings, thoughts, and actions against the attributes of the Holy Spirit so you can know what spirit is influencing you, your thoughts, and your ideas. Evil is not good and good is not evil. An bad tree can't bring forth good fruit and a good tree can't bring forth bad fruit.
-Finrock
I would also add, however, that at time it is also sharp and there can be anger associated with the Spirit of God. I have felt righteous anger before and it is very different that "normal anger." That being said, afterwards, I felt and incredible amount of love towards the individuals with whom I was directed to speak with sharpness.
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I know you said spirit of God , but I think that one of the most important attributes that
we need to add to the list is
The spirit of God is:
* justice
We tend to view God as a loving one, one that loves and accepts everyone, (which is true)
and everything (which is not true but some would have us think so)
yes, He loves us beyond what we could ever comprehend,
but what about as our righteous father, who is a just and true God.
So many, especially in our church, seem to think that God is some sort of Celestial Santa Claus
where you sit on His lap and He pats you on the head and gives you what you want because
He loves you so much. THAT'S NOT WHO GOD IS.
There has to be right and wrong, so how will He teach us when we're in the wrong, and won't change.
There's only so far you can go without having to disipline a child.
I don't know that God gets angry, but we did see what Christ did in the temple.
So how does He show justice as well as mercy.
And how can we do the same.
Re: Spirit of God
Posted: June 20th, 2018, 8:46 pm
by Jesef
There's a bunch of made up stuff in the books that reflect the Catholic Angry Sky God version of Deity. It didn't really happen. Don't think just because it's perpetuated or referred to in other books that that makes it true/real either. Everything has gone through the spiritual filter of the translators/receivers, including Joseph. There are (I believe) many errors in the D&C and BoM, even.