Re: Elder Holland Testifies of the prophetic mantle of President Nelson
Posted: June 14th, 2018, 9:39 am
Jesef wrote: ↑June 13th, 2018, 4:09 pmYeah, Isaiah's stuff is always being used (in every generation, going back literally hundreds of years) as support for or explanation of current events. Maybe it's because every generation since like A.D. 300 has believed they were "the last days". Maybe "the last days" is personal, like the the last days of your life. Are we really at the end of the world now, or in 20 years, or is it another 100 or even 1000 years away? Who knows. Every generation has thought it was them. Reality will tell the truth. Interpretations of scripture & prophecy have failed over and over and over again.Lizzy60 wrote: ↑June 13th, 2018, 12:25 pmUmmmmm, God talked to Isaiah about our day, and then had the Book of Mormon writers include much of Isaiah so that we, today, could have a second witness that Isaiah was prophesying for our time. That is, if you believe we are in the Last Days.Jesef wrote: ↑June 13th, 2018, 11:43 am Why would God talk to Ezekiel about us in 622BC? That's like (2018+622) 2600+ years in advance. Stop and consider how ridiculous that is. Wouldn't God talk to people about things relevant to them. Is the Lord talking to us right now about events 2000-3000 years in the future? Uh, no, because that is utterly impractical, even nonsensical, and certainly irrelevant. This is what is called parallelomania - in which spiritual extremists "liken" everything to their present circumstances and try to make everything fit somehow into their worldview - it's also chalk full of confirmation bias - everything points to "Yes" (confirming your chosen paradigm/belief-system). Onsdag, apparently you are a Snuffer believer/follower - I'm guessing - since so many of you employ that set of verses to condemn the LDS Church/Brethren as the errant elders of Israel - is that true? "If you will but hear it" - are you actually trying to sound prophetic, authoritative, and scripture-like?
There are three pivotal events in the history of this Earth. The Fall of Adam and Eve, the Ministry and Atonement and Resurrection of Christ, and the Second Coming of Christ. Just as there are prophecies of Christ's mortal ministry in the Old Testament, which prophecies Christ declared He had fulfilled, there are also prophecies of His Second Coming in both the Old and New Testament. I would also add the creation.
This is the reason why Avraham Gileadi, the leading mind in the world on the writings of Isaiah labeled one of his books, "The End From the Beginning." Isaiah tells us about the end by describing what happened in the beginning in the very same way John the revelator does. Isaiah, Nephi, John the Revelator, Ezekiel, Daniel, Moroni, and Joseph Smith to name a few who all understood the past, and thus drew on past historical events to describe the future.And now, behold, I say unto you, that ye ought to search these things. Yea, a commandment I give unto you that ye search these things diligently; for great are the words of Isaiah. For surely he spake as touching all things concerning my people which are of the house of Israel; therefore it must needs be that he must speak also to the Gentiles. And all things that he spake have been and shall be, even according to the words which he spake. -Jesus Christ, 3 Nephi 23
"The Prophecy of Isaiah, encoded by literary devices, reveals a vision of the end of the world and brings to light parts of Hebrew religion that were lost. The Book of Isaiah shows that the end is foretold by events that occurred in the beginning, the future mirroring the past." -Avraham Gileadi
"Showing how Isaiah predicts the end from the beginning by prophesying new versions of ancient events. Uncovering an implicit sequence or chronology of end-time events that becomes apparent when linking together new versions of ancient events, domino fashion, throughout the text. Determining that the end of the world is contained in Israel's past, in a repetition of ancient events within it's own sequence called the "Day of Jehovah." -Avraham Gileadi
"As Isaiah informs us, God, "foretells the end from the beginning, from ancient times things yet not done." (Isa. 46:10) That may seem an obvious statement, coming from a prophet. But we already know it doesn't just mean that God predicts the future in plain terms. God's revelation is multi-dimensional. He also foretells the end by orchestrating history itself, so that what happened in the beginning will happen again at the end. The "end" - that is, the end of the world-is thus foretold "from the beginning" in Israel's own history." -Avraham Gileadi
As it is with Isaiah, so it is with all the prophets of old."This linking together of past events to create a sequence of end-time events tell us what Isaiah means by the "Day of Jehovah." That day consists of a cycle of new events patterned after the old that comprehends the past and the future in one. Isaiah's domino structure interconnects and accounts for all parts of the Book of Isaiah. It outlines a single end-time scenario. Indeed, once set in motion, the entire sequence of new events unfolds in rapid succession like a domino effect." -Avraham Gileadi
"Truth is Knowledge of things as they are, and as they were, and as they are to come: Whatsoever is more or less than this is the spirit of that wicked one who was a liar from the beginning." (D&C 93:24,25)