LDS Freedom Forum

President Nelson

My dear young brothers and sisters, these surely are the latter days, and the Lord is hastening His work to gather Israel. That gathering is the most important thing taking place on earth today.

Nothing else compares in magnitude, nothing else compares in importance, nothing else compares in majesty. And if you choose to, if you want to, you can be a big part of it. You can be a big part of something big, something grand, something majestic!

When we speak of the gathering, we are simply saying this fundamental truth: every one of our Heavenly Father’s children, on both sides of the veil, deserves to hear the message of the restored gospel of Jesus Christ. They decide for themselves if they want to know more.

Genuinely interested to hear what you have done or plan on doing to help gather Israel.

drtanner wrote: ↑June 6th, 2018, 11:30 pm President Nelson

My dear young brothers and sisters, these surely are the latter days, and the Lord is hastening His work to gather Israel. That gathering is the most important thing taking place on earth today.

Nothing else compares in magnitude, nothing else compares in importance, nothing else compares in majesty. And if you choose to, if you want to, you can be a big part of it. You can be a big part of something big, something grand, something majestic!

When we speak of the gathering, we are simply saying this fundamental truth: every one of our Heavenly Father’s children, on both sides of the veil, deserves to hear the message of the restored gospel of Jesus Christ. They decide for themselves if they want to know more.

Genuinely interested to hear what you have done or plan on doing to help gather Israel.

The facts are, is that hearing the Gospel of Jesus Christ is one thing. The gathering of Israel is another. But now the gospel may be preached throughout the world. But there is no gathering of Isreal. Converts are told to stay put in their own lands. Whereas In the early days of the church people were seemingly bitten with an urge to gather. To the point of selling what little they had to come to the promise land and partake of the building up of Zion. But it seems now that the dream is faded away.

drtanner wrote: ↑June 6th, 2018, 11:30 pm
Genuinely interested to hear what you have done or plan on doing to help gather Israel.

Raise and gather my children unto Him. Thats my first priority.

President Nelson

Would you like to be a big part of the greatest challenge, the greatest cause, and the greatest work on earth today?

Would you like to help gather Israel during these precious latter days? Would you, who are the elect, be willing to help find the elect who have not heard the message of the restored gospel? Would you like to be among those “swift messengers” of whom the prophet Isaiah spoke?5

Now, participating in the gathering of Israel will require some sacrifice on your part. It may even require some changes in your life. It will definitely take some of your time and energy and your God-given talents. Are you interested?

Just think of the excitement and urgency of it all: every prophet commencing with Adam has seen our day. And every prophet has talked about our day, when Israel would be gathered and the world would be prepared for the Second Coming of the Savior. Think of it! Of all the people who have ever lived on planet earth, we are the ones who get to participate in this final, great gathering event. How exciting is that!

I testify that the gathering is now, and it is real.

Can someone who claims conversion truly be converted without feeding the Lords sheep and helping gathering Israel in some way?

drtanner wrote: ↑June 7th, 2018, 4:21 pm President Nelson

Would you like to be a big part of the greatest challenge, the greatest cause, and the greatest work on earth today?

Would you like to help gather Israel during these precious latter days? Would you, who are the elect, be willing to help find the elect who have not heard the message of the restored gospel? Would you like to be among those “swift messengers” of whom the prophet Isaiah spoke?5

Now, participating in the gathering of Israel will require some sacrifice on your part. It may even require some changes in your life. It will definitely take some of your time and energy and your God-given talents. Are you interested?

Just think of the excitement and urgency of it all: every prophet commencing with Adam has seen our day. And every prophet has talked about our day, when Israel would be gathered and the world would be prepared for the Second Coming of the Savior. Think of it! Of all the people who have ever lived on planet earth, we are the ones who get to participate in this final, great gathering event. How exciting is that!

I testify that the gathering is now, and it is real.

Can someone who claims conversion truly be converted without feeding the Lords sheep and helping gathering Israel in some way?

Pres Nelson sees the big picture as it pertains to the direction of the Kingdom. He knows that the wheat and the tares must continue to grow together in the church until there is a clarion call of separation coming from the Lord. Many on this board inside and outside of the church do not have the vision and the perspective that our Prophet possesses. They get bogged down in questioning or murmuring about this or that insignificant policy or decision made by the Brethren. Whether it be tithing or investments or gays or whatever else gets in their craw ad nauseam. They do not understand what is really happening in the Kingdom. Our Prophet does and he is preparing the Saints for those great and terrible events preceding the Lords coming. Many will not see this vision and they will fall by the wayside as tares when the separation process swings into full gear. Satan desires to sift the Saints and distract them from hopping on board in laboring for Zion. The time to listen to the Prophet and give credence to his revelatory sense is now. Otherwise the sifting will occur in the lives of those who are to stuck on their own stubborn agenda. The Lord directs his Prophet and we best listen closely to his directives or we will end up missing the boat.

So many of the membership are waiting for a call out to gather in the mountains to so called tent cities. They do not realize that the call out has been happening for years, most recently given this past Sunday, with President Nelson and the face to face challenge. The places of refuge are within our homes, wards and stakes. The tribulations are also happening. Tell me someone who is not experiencing trials??. Part of the tribulations include our involvement with screens. This was also addressed by the prophet. Asking us to scale back on screen use.
One thing that stood out to me from this talk, was the prophet saying we do not realize how “latter” we really are, in the latter days.

Mark wrote: ↑June 7th, 2018, 4:47 pm

drtanner wrote: ↑June 7th, 2018, 4:21 pm President Nelson

Would you like to be a big part of the greatest challenge, the greatest cause, and the greatest work on earth today?

Would you like to help gather Israel during these precious latter days? Would you, who are the elect, be willing to help find the elect who have not heard the message of the restored gospel? Would you like to be among those “swift messengers” of whom the prophet Isaiah spoke?5

Now, participating in the gathering of Israel will require some sacrifice on your part. It may even require some changes in your life. It will definitely take some of your time and energy and your God-given talents. Are you interested?

Just think of the excitement and urgency of it all: every prophet commencing with Adam has seen our day. And every prophet has talked about our day, when Israel would be gathered and the world would be prepared for the Second Coming of the Savior. Think of it! Of all the people who have ever lived on planet earth, we are the ones who get to participate in this final, great gathering event. How exciting is that!

I testify that the gathering is now, and it is real.

Can someone who claims conversion truly be converted without feeding the Lords sheep and helping gathering Israel in some way?

Pres Nelson sees the big picture as it pertains to the direction of the Kingdom. He knows that the wheat and the tares must continue to grow together in the church until there is a clarion call of separation coming from the Lord. Many on this board inside and outside of the church do not have the vision and the perspective that our Prophet possesses. They get bogged down in questioning or murmuring about this or that insignificant policy or decision made by the Brethren. Whether it be tithing or investments or gays or whatever else gets in their craw ad nauseam. They do not understand what is really happening in the Kingdom. Our Prophet does and he is preparing the Saints for those great and terrible events preceding the Lords coming. Many will not see this vision and they will fall by the wayside as tares when the separation process swings into full gear. Satan desires to sift the Saints and distract them from hopping on board in laboring for Zion. The time to listen to the Prophet and give credence to his revelatory sense is now. Otherwise the sifting will occur in the lives of those who are to stuck on their own stubborn agenda. The Lord directs his Prophet and we best listen closely to his directives or we will end up missing the boat.

Amen Mark! So many distractions to keep us from the reality of what is actually taking place and the associated blessings. I have no doubt that rolling up our sleeves and participating in this great work is the most important thing we can do, and as was stated by President Nelson the very reason we are all here at this time.

Can we really believe it is consistent with the nature and character of the Benevolent God/Creator/Eternal-Parents of All, that They are just ready and anxious to destroy or disqualify so many of their children who They never even gave the tools or opportunity to succeed - according to the eternal/salvation success criteria being claimed (by us/LDS or anyone else)? I think we're missing a BIG part of the picture if we are actually believing that in any way or to any degree. The work that Joseph Smith engaged in was SO SMALL and SO PROVINCIAL (local), i.e. not universal, and it was after a 1500 year drought? This isn't consistent with the character of God. Think about it. I think I'm moving toward a more UNIVERSAL form of LDS/Mormonism. I think our understanding of a lot of things is inconsistent with the character of God we teach, believe, and even KNOW.

Jesef wrote: ↑June 8th, 2018, 6:55 pm Can we really believe it is consistent with the nature and character of the Benevolent God/Creator/Eternal-Parents of All, that They are just ready and anxious to destroy or disqualify so many of their children who They never even gave the tools or opportunity to succeed - according to the eternal/salvation success criteria being claimed (by us/LDS or anyone else)? I think we're missing a BIG part of the picture if we are actually believing that in any way or to any degree. The work that Joseph Smith engaged in was SO SMALL and SO PROVINCIAL (local), i.e. not universal, and it was after a 1500 year drought? This isn't consistent with the character of God. Think about it. I think I'm moving toward a more UNIVERSAL form of LDS/Mormonism. I think our understanding of a lot of things is inconsistent with the character of God we teach, believe, and even KNOW.

Maybe this is part of it:

Spirit World Part of the Second Estate
Neal A. Maxwell
We tend to overlook the reality that the spirit world and paradise are part, really, of the second estate. The work of the Lord, so far as the second estate is concerned, is completed before the Judgment and the Resurrection.

Since those who go to the celestial kingdom include, as revealed, those who “overcome by faith” (D&C 76:53), the same efforts and triumph would need to occur in the spirit world before they receive resurrection and the entitlement to enter the celestial kingdom. . . .

He gave us our spirit birth, bringing the first estate to all. He gave the gift to us of mortality, or the second estate, where all might be “added upon,” leaving one- third of the host free to be rebels! (Abraham 3:26; Revelation 12:4). He provides in the spirit world a continuum of mortality’s probation, the great opportunity for all. (The Promise of Discipleship, p. 111)

Of course, we still lack many details [about the spirit world] and would like to know more. Even so, we ought to pay closer attention to what has been given about the spirit world so that we can truly “cite [our] minds forward” in appropriate ways (Alma 13:1). [The Promise of Discipleship, p. 105]

Great quote, Arenera! I love it! We should be emphasizing that more.

But, at the same time, you have to ask, why does so little of this essential work get done on this side, during actual physical/mortal life? Why are the opportunities (to receive proper teaching, faith, repentance, and ordinances) that we claim are essential to salvation and ultimate eternal success afforded to SO FEW, like literally less than 0.01% of all humans alive or who have ever lived (while they are alive)?

“Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:

“Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it” (Matt. 7:13–14).

Jesef wrote: ↑June 8th, 2018, 7:33 pm Great quote, Arenera! I love it! We should be emphasizing that more.

But, at the same time, you have to ask, why does so little of this essential work get done on this side, during actual physical/mortal life? Why are the opportunities (to receive proper teaching, faith, repentance, and ordinances) that we claim are essential to salvation and ultimate eternal success afforded to SO FEW, like literally less than 0.01% of all humans alive or who have ever lived (while they are alive)?

Is this the worst earth of all? Maybe that has something to do with it.

I doubt this is the worst earth of all, although that is another model attempting to explain the quality and variability of spiritual life/levels on earth.

I believe the model of multiple mortal probations and soul age makes even more sense. For example, imagine that "mortality" of "mortal probation" is more of a cycle or iteration of lifetimes, rather than one lifetime. You are initially born, your first incarnation, as a baby soul, and with each lifetime, lessons learned, spiritual maturity gained bit by bit, line upon line, etc., your soul ages and matures, perhaps over hundreds of lifetimes. Maybe Jesus was perfect, as we perceive it, because He had much more practice, maybe 1000 lifetimes in his experience - practice makes perfect - or, maybe that is how a soul truly descends below all things - by experiencing every variation - poor, rich, healthy, sickly, long life, short life, high, low, lucky, unlucky, fortunate, unfortunate, every race, loyalty, betrayal, every challenge, every deprivation, every advantage - experiencing the whole spectrum of mortal life. You get the idea. Anyway, young souls may be these people who seem to only learn by screwing up, teenage souls may be all these narcissistic self-centered people, mature souls are family/relationship-oriented, and old souls are like the wisest, the teachers, the deep, deep souls who are almost ready to stop incarnating here and move on to the next realm. It's just an idea, a model - but the scriptures can be read with this interpretation if you don't take them too literally or inerrantly.

drtanner wrote: ↑June 6th, 2018, 11:30 pm President Nelson

My dear young brothers and sisters, these surely are the latter days, and the Lord is hastening His work to gather Israel. That gathering is the most important thing taking place on earth today.

Nothing else compares in magnitude, nothing else compares in importance, nothing else compares in majesty. And if you choose to, if you want to, you can be a big part of it. You can be a big part of something big, something grand, something majestic!

When we speak of the gathering, we are simply saying this fundamental truth: every one of our Heavenly Father’s children, on both sides of the veil, deserves to hear the message of the restored gospel of Jesus Christ. They decide for themselves if they want to know more.

Genuinely interested to hear what you have done or plan on doing to help gather Israel.

Important topic. In the current Islamic teaching and ideologies, God is gathering Jewish people to prepare destroying 'em in last days with the hands of Muslims in the leading of the chosen "The Mahdi".

Who's talking happily about God gathering of Israel is one of the other side, our enemies!

Muslim scholars support their ideologies with holy texts of Quarn and Mohammed the prophet quotes, you know, you choose of texts what's going on with the spirit of the idea you believe in, so you make your idea a holy fact from God, but books like Bible and Mormon make a problem, 'cause it sounds that God the father is like Israel, he loves Israel, so why he intended to destroy it in the end of days. No one knows the complete truth.

I included these ideas to give another vision from another angle of looking to the same topic or idea.

ahmedcrow wrote: ↑June 9th, 2018, 9:35 am

drtanner wrote: ↑June 6th, 2018, 11:30 pm President Nelson

My dear young brothers and sisters, these surely are the latter days, and the Lord is hastening His work to gather Israel. That gathering is the most important thing taking place on earth today.

Nothing else compares in magnitude, nothing else compares in importance, nothing else compares in majesty. And if you choose to, if you want to, you can be a big part of it. You can be a big part of something big, something grand, something majestic!

When we speak of the gathering, we are simply saying this fundamental truth: every one of our Heavenly Father’s children, on both sides of the veil, deserves to hear the message of the restored gospel of Jesus Christ. They decide for themselves if they want to know more.

Genuinely interested to hear what you have done or plan on doing to help gather Israel.

Important topic. In the current Islamic teaching and ideologies, God is gathering Jewish people to prepare destroying 'em in last days with the hands of Muslims in the leading of the chosen "The Mahdi".

Who's talking happily about God gathering of Israel is one of the other side, our enemies!

Muslim scholars support their ideologies with holy texts of Quarn and Mohammed the prophet quotes, you know, you choose of texts what's going on with the spirit of the idea you believe in, so you make your idea a holy fact from God, but books like Bible and Mormon make a problem, 'cause it sounds that God the father is like Israel, he loves Israel, so why he intended to destroy it in the end of days. No one knows the complete truth.

I included these ideas to give another vision from another angle of looking to the same topic or idea.

See whats interesting about this is that when you compare the teachings of Christians/Jews with that of Muslims, you see that kind of dichotomy... they believe in the same kind of events, but the perspective and point of view are flipped. Christianity talks about a wicked man ruling over the world (the anti-christ) and see it as evil, while many muslims believe in a righteous man that will do the same and see it as good (I just heard about this once, not familar with the specifics... perhaps you could shed some light on this Ahmed?). Its like the beliefs of both are mirror images of each other. Its Fascinating!

I was trolled flamed and mocked around last September when I said I believed 9/23 was a true sign and one of its indicators was signaling the end of the time of the gentiles and the beginning of the gathering of Israel. Here we are 8 months later....

Alaris wrote: ↑June 9th, 2018, 11:24 am I was trolled flamed and mocked around last September when I said I believed 9/23 was a true sign and one of its indicators was signaling the end of the time of the gentiles and the beginning of the gathering of Israel. Here we are 8 months later....

So in your opinion the gathering has just started?
The mainstream LDS view is that the gathering has been going on for decades:

The coming forth of the Book of Mormon is a sign to the entire world that the Lord has commenced to gather Israel and fulfill covenants He made to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. We not only teach this doctrine, but we participate in it. We do so as we help to gather the elect of the Lord on both sides of the veil.

Russel M. Nelson, GC Oct. 2006

Durzan wrote: ↑June 9th, 2018, 9:46 am

ahmedcrow wrote: ↑June 9th, 2018, 9:35 am

drtanner wrote: ↑June 6th, 2018, 11:30 pm President Nelson

My dear young brothers and sisters, these surely are the latter days, and the Lord is hastening His work to gather Israel. That gathering is the most important thing taking place on earth today.

Nothing else compares in magnitude, nothing else compares in importance, nothing else compares in majesty. And if you choose to, if you want to, you can be a big part of it. You can be a big part of something big, something grand, something majestic!

When we speak of the gathering, we are simply saying this fundamental truth: every one of our Heavenly Father’s children, on both sides of the veil, deserves to hear the message of the restored gospel of Jesus Christ. They decide for themselves if they want to know more.

Genuinely interested to hear what you have done or plan on doing to help gather Israel.

Important topic. In the current Islamic teaching and ideologies, God is gathering Jewish people to prepare destroying 'em in last days with the hands of Muslims in the leading of the chosen "The Mahdi".

Who's talking happily about God gathering of Israel is one of the other side, our enemies!

Muslim scholars support their ideologies with holy texts of Quarn and Mohammed the prophet quotes, you know, you choose of texts what's going on with the spirit of the idea you believe in, so you make your idea a holy fact from God, but books like Bible and Mormon make a problem, 'cause it sounds that God the father is like Israel, he loves Israel, so why he intended to destroy it in the end of days. No one knows the complete truth.

I included these ideas to give another vision from another angle of looking to the same topic or idea.

See whats interesting about this is that when you compare the teachings of Christians/Jews with that of Muslims, you see that kind of dichotomy... they believe in the same kind of events, but the perspective and point of view are flipped. Christianity talks about a wicked man ruling over the world (the anti-christ) and see it as evil, while many muslims believe in a righteous man that will do the same and see it as good (I just heard about this once, not familar with the specifics... perhaps you could shed some light on this Ahmed?). Its like the beliefs of both are mirror images of each other. Its Fascinating!

Hmm!
Let's take this verse of Quran, "And [for] their saying, "Indeed, we have killed the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, the messenger of God." And they did not kill him, nor did they crucify him; but [another] was made to resemble him to them. And indeed, those who differ over it are in doubt about it. They have no knowledge of it except the following of assumption. And they did not kill him, for certain." - 157 of chapter 4

In Islam the Antichrist will rule or make troubles in world for some time, and he can be called the impostor messiah is Arabic, Jewish people believed in a messiah that will come and refuse Jesus as that messiah, Quran supported that Jesus is a messiah, so there's more than one messiah, one of 'em surely the antichrist oneth.

The word "devil" isn't less than messiah too, the prophet and Quran used it, but devil can refer to Lucifer, can refer to any demon, can refer to another, it's not necessary that devil is always against God, devilism is a level and nature of a creature, but it used mostly to describe an evil creature.

God is another word that can refer to more than one concept, father, son or holy spirit, the son said the he and father are oneth, the son can talk as father instead of him, the father can came in the place of son 'cause he born him, and can come in the place of the holy spirit 'cause he extruded him.

So, in the spirit of the verse, there's there's many characters can come in the place of each others, how to know surely who you're talking about, and who's wrong or right, or who's good or evil, or who's with us or against us.

Back to Barnabas gospel, and see the part of Judas in the form of Jesus on the cross.
Muslims think that Jewish people are wrong, and think that Jewish people are waiting the antichrist the impostor messiah, but they're waiting a messiah that isn't Jesus, is there another good messiah than Jesus ?!

Suppose that there's unknown character that's related to evil too, the antichrist, it's a big game, I'm not with the opinion of trying to destroy the antichrist directly, he has a job and he must do it like the prophet said.
I hope that I added more.

inho wrote: ↑June 9th, 2018, 12:08 pm

Alaris wrote: ↑June 9th, 2018, 11:24 am I was trolled flamed and mocked around last September when I said I believed 9/23 was a true sign and one of its indicators was signaling the end of the time of the gentiles and the beginning of the gathering of Israel. Here we are 8 months later....

So in your opinion the gathering has just started?
The mainstream LDS view is that the gathering has been going on for decades:

The coming forth of the Book of Mormon is a sign to the entire world that the Lord has commenced to gather Israel and fulfill covenants He made to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. We not only teach this doctrine, but we participate in it. We do so as we help to gather the elect of the Lord on both sides of the veil.

Russel M. Nelson, GC Oct. 2006

Well of course the gathering began with the book of Mormon. Not only was it the foundational work but also it was the initial gathering of Ephraim and Manasseh. I'm speaking of the gathering of the rest of the tribes where there are prophecies such as 1 nephi 14:17 that are apparently unfolding before our eyes.

1 Nephi 14:17 And when the day cometh that the wrath of God is poured out upon the mother of harlots, which is the great and abominable church of all the earth, whose founder is the devil, then, at that day, the work of the Father shall commence, in preparing the way for the fulfilling of his covenants, which he hath made to his people who are of the house of Israel.


Moreover the Lord manifests to the gentiles first then Israel. Obviously this has meant to the gentiles by Ephraim and then to Israel when the time of the gentiles is fulfilled.

1 Nephi 13:42 And the time cometh that he shall manifest himself unto all nations, both unto the Jews and also unto the Gentiles; and after he has manifested himself unto the Jews and also unto the Gentiles, then he shall manifest himself unto the Gentiles and also unto the Jews, and the last shall be first, and the first shall be last.


Orson Pratt spoke of this transition

The great object of the angel in restoring the Gospel was, in the first place, to fulfill the times of the Gentiles. Inquires one, "What do you mean by that?" I mean that God will send this Gospel, restored by an angel, to every nations, kindred, people, and tongue in the Gentile world before he will permit his servants to go to the scattered remnants of Israel; and they will labor with, preach to and declare the work of God to the Gentile nations, and seek to bring them to a knowledge of the ancient Gospel, and to organize a Church among them, so far as they will hearken to and receive their testimony. Then, when the Gentile nations shall reject this Gospel and count themselves unworthy of eternal life, as the Jews did before them, the Lord will say, "It is enough, come away from them, my servants, I will give you a new commission, you shall go to the scattered remnants of the house of Israel. I will gather them in from the four quarters of the earth, and bring them again into their own lands. They shall build Jerusalem on its own heap; they shall rear a Temple on the appointed place in Palestine, and they shall be grafted in again." Now that, in short, is the nature of the great latter-day preparatory work for the coming of the Son of Man. (Orson Pratt JD 18:176-77)

Alaris wrote: ↑June 9th, 2018, 1:59 pm

inho wrote: ↑June 9th, 2018, 12:08 pm

Alaris wrote: ↑June 9th, 2018, 11:24 am I was trolled flamed and mocked around last September when I said I believed 9/23 was a true sign and one of its indicators was signaling the end of the time of the gentiles and the beginning of the gathering of Israel. Here we are 8 months later....

So in your opinion the gathering has just started?
The mainstream LDS view is that the gathering has been going on for decades:

The coming forth of the Book of Mormon is a sign to the entire world that the Lord has commenced to gather Israel and fulfill covenants He made to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. We not only teach this doctrine, but we participate in it. We do so as we help to gather the elect of the Lord on both sides of the veil.

Russel M. Nelson, GC Oct. 2006

Well of course the gathering began with the book of Mormon. Not only was it the foundational work but also it was the initial gathering of Ephraim and Manasseh. I'm speaking of the gathering of the rest of the tribes where there are prophecies such as 1 nephi 14:17 that are apparently unfolding before our eyes.

1 Nephi 14:17 And when the day cometh that the wrath of God is poured out upon the mother of harlots, which is the great and abominable church of all the earth, whose founder is the devil, then, at that day, the work of the Father shall commence, in preparing the way for the fulfilling of his covenants, which he hath made to his people who are of the house of Israel.


Moreover the Lord manifests to the gentiles first then Israel. Obviously this has meant to the gentiles by Ephraim and then to Israel when the time of the gentiles is fulfilled.

1 Nephi 13:42 And the time cometh that he shall manifest himself unto all nations, both unto the Jews and also unto the Gentiles; and after he has manifested himself unto the Jews and also unto the Gentiles, then he shall manifest himself unto the Gentiles and also unto the Jews, and the last shall be first, and the first shall be last.


Orson Pratt spoke of this transition

The great object of the angel in restoring the Gospel was, in the first place, to fulfill the times of the Gentiles. Inquires one, "What do you mean by that?" I mean that God will send this Gospel, restored by an angel, to every nations, kindred, people, and tongue in the Gentile world before he will permit his servants to go to the scattered remnants of Israel; and they will labor with, preach to and declare the work of God to the Gentile nations, and seek to bring them to a knowledge of the ancient Gospel, and to organize a Church among them, so far as they will hearken to and receive their testimony. Then, when the Gentile nations shall reject this Gospel and count themselves unworthy of eternal life, as the Jews did before them, the Lord will say, "It is enough, come away from them, my servants, I will give you a new commission, you shall go to the scattered remnants of the house of Israel. I will gather them in from the four quarters of the earth, and bring them again into their own lands. They shall build Jerusalem on its own heap; they shall rear a Temple on the appointed place in Palestine, and they shall be grafted in again." Now that, in short, is the nature of the great latter-day preparatory work for the coming of the Son of Man. (Orson Pratt JD 18:176-77)

Alaris, where would you consider gentile nations? This is an interesting time

drtanner wrote: ↑June 7th, 2018, 4:21 pm President Nelson

Would you like to be a big part of the greatest challenge, the greatest cause, and the greatest work on earth today?

Would you like to help gather Israel during these precious latter days? Would you, who are the elect, be willing to help find the elect who have not heard the message of the restored gospel? Would you like to be among those “swift messengers” of whom the prophet Isaiah spoke?5

Now, participating in the gathering of Israel will require some sacrifice on your part. It may even require some changes in your life. It will definitely take some of your time and energy and your God-given talents. Are you interested?

Just think of the excitement and urgency of it all: every prophet commencing with Adam has seen our day. And every prophet has talked about our day, when Israel would be gathered and the world would be prepared for the Second Coming of the Savior. Think of it! Of all the people who have ever lived on planet earth, we are the ones who get to participate in this final, great gathering event. How exciting is that!

I testify that the gathering is now, and it is real.

Can someone who claims conversion truly be converted without feeding the Lords sheep and helping gathering Israel in some way?

Peter was given a powerful witness /testimony that Jesus was the Christ-- but at that moment and as grand as the experience was-- he was not yet CONVERTED. Super instructive is it not ---that Christ after his resurrection tells peter to feed his sheep. Can we feed his sheep and help gather Israel as we should unless what happened to Peter and the disciples, shortly after Christ ascends, happens to us?

The Holy Ghost has no other effect than pure intelligence. It is more powerful in expanding the mind, enlightening the understanding, and storing the intellect with present knowledge, of a man who is of the literal seed of Abraham, than one that is a Gentile, though it may not have half as much visible effect upon the body; for as the Holy Ghost falls upon one of the literal seed of Abraham, it is calm and serene; and his whole soul and body are only exercised by the pure spirit of intelligence; while the effect of the Holy Ghost upon a Gentile, is to purge out the old blood, and make him actually of the seed of Abraham. That man that has none of the blood of Abraham (naturally) must have a new creation by the Holy Ghost. In such a case, there may be more of a powerful effect upon the body, and visible to the eye, than upon an Israelite, while the Israelite at first might be far before the Gentile in pure intelligence.

Joseph Smith

drtanner wrote: ↑June 6th, 2018, 11:30 pm Genuinely interested to hear what you have done or plan on doing to help gather Israel.

Advocate for OTEC (Ocean Thermal Energy Conversion), especially in Florida where the CotCoJCoLDS owns large tracts of land, recognizing the validity of the “Yellow Dog” prophecy, and the reality of roving gangs making much of the US mainland inhospitable.

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"Serving as Kings and Queens of the Gentiles"
Avraham Gileadi

http://www.josephandjudah.com/2016/05/s ... dah%29&m=1

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B90mWN ... ZmaFU/view

drtanner wrote: ↑June 9th, 2018, 3:14 pm

Alaris wrote: ↑June 9th, 2018, 1:59 pm

inho wrote: ↑June 9th, 2018, 12:08 pm

Alaris wrote: ↑June 9th, 2018, 11:24 am I was trolled flamed and mocked around last September when I said I believed 9/23 was a true sign and one of its indicators was signaling the end of the time of the gentiles and the beginning of the gathering of Israel. Here we are 8 months later....

So in your opinion the gathering has just started?
The mainstream LDS view is that the gathering has been going on for decades:

The coming forth of the Book of Mormon is a sign to the entire world that the Lord has commenced to gather Israel and fulfill covenants He made to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. We not only teach this doctrine, but we participate in it. We do so as we help to gather the elect of the Lord on both sides of the veil.

Russel M. Nelson, GC Oct. 2006

Well of course the gathering began with the book of Mormon. Not only was it the foundational work but also it was the initial gathering of Ephraim and Manasseh. I'm speaking of the gathering of the rest of the tribes where there are prophecies such as 1 nephi 14:17 that are apparently unfolding before our eyes.

1 Nephi 14:17 And when the day cometh that the wrath of God is poured out upon the mother of harlots, which is the great and abominable church of all the earth, whose founder is the devil, then, at that day, the work of the Father shall commence, in preparing the way for the fulfilling of his covenants, which he hath made to his people who are of the house of Israel.


Moreover the Lord manifests to the gentiles first then Israel. Obviously this has meant to the gentiles by Ephraim and then to Israel when the time of the gentiles is fulfilled.

1 Nephi 13:42 And the time cometh that he shall manifest himself unto all nations, both unto the Jews and also unto the Gentiles; and after he has manifested himself unto the Jews and also unto the Gentiles, then he shall manifest himself unto the Gentiles and also unto the Jews, and the last shall be first, and the first shall be last.


Orson Pratt spoke of this transition

The great object of the angel in restoring the Gospel was, in the first place, to fulfill the times of the Gentiles. Inquires one, "What do you mean by that?" I mean that God will send this Gospel, restored by an angel, to every nations, kindred, people, and tongue in the Gentile world before he will permit his servants to go to the scattered remnants of Israel; and they will labor with, preach to and declare the work of God to the Gentile nations, and seek to bring them to a knowledge of the ancient Gospel, and to organize a Church among them, so far as they will hearken to and receive their testimony. Then, when the Gentile nations shall reject this Gospel and count themselves unworthy of eternal life, as the Jews did before them, the Lord will say, "It is enough, come away from them, my servants, I will give you a new commission, you shall go to the scattered remnants of the house of Israel. I will gather them in from the four quarters of the earth, and bring them again into their own lands. They shall build Jerusalem on its own heap; they shall rear a Temple on the appointed place in Palestine, and they shall be grafted in again." Now that, in short, is the nature of the great latter-day preparatory work for the coming of the Son of Man. (Orson Pratt JD 18:176-77)

Alaris, where would you consider gentile nations? This is an interesting time

I would consider the great Satan (USA) and the little Satan (Israel) the only two nations that are clearly not gentile nations. Even though they have gentiles within the boundaries, the context of Orson Pratts quote is what happens after the time of the gentiles is fulfilled where the lands of New Jerusalem and Jerusalem are central to the gathering efforts.

That said we do not know where the 10 tribes are, so perhaps some of these gentile nations remain relevant.

Orson Pratts quote makes me wonder if there will be a clear rejection that marks the event or if God's timer just runs out and he says, "enough."

drtanner wrote: ↑June 6th, 2018, 11:30 pm President Nelson

My dear young brothers and sisters, these surely are the latter days, and the Lord is hastening His work to gather Israel. That gathering is the most important thing taking place on earth today.

Nothing else compares in magnitude, nothing else compares in importance, nothing else compares in majesty. And if you choose to, if you want to, you can be a big part of it. You can be a big part of something big, something grand, something majestic!

When we speak of the gathering, we are simply saying this fundamental truth: every one of our Heavenly Father’s children, on both sides of the veil, deserves to hear the message of the restored gospel of Jesus Christ. They decide for themselves if they want to know more.

Genuinely interested to hear what you have done or plan on doing to help gather Israel.

I truly hope your thread doesn't get derailed as mine did wherein I asked people to share what they were doing to follow the Prophet, but alas I can see it already happening. Everyone quibbling over semantics of what the "gathering" is, or discussing the merits of it is even appropriate to "follow" a Prophet of God, and little or no sharing of what they are actually and actively doing to participate in this latter-day work. Such a lost opportunity.

Now, to answer your question and try to do my part to keep this thread on topic. I do not share these things for purposes of self-aggrandizement. Rather, I do so to let my light shine forth and to encourage others in doing the same, as Jesus Christ himself has asked us to do (Matthew 5:16; 3 Nephi 12:16). For what it's worth, since I started my thread, I have been pressing forward, putting my shoulder to the wheel, lengthening my stride, and engaging more fully in the cause of Zion.

I went through the temple for the first time for my own endowment last month. In the couple of months before that, in preparation for this great event, I have gathered just over 100 names and with the help of a few friends have done all of their baptisms and confirmations in the temples of God. Since my endowment I have shifted gears and am now doing the other ordinances for these individuals, but I have also continued to find and gather more names. I have spent hours and hours in the temples doing this work - it has become my priority, my great love, and my passion. I have been serving in the temples not only for my own family names but I've been helping complete strangers (though they're not really strangers as we're all family) and others do sealings and initiatories. I have just now written a letter to the First Presidency to try getting a restoration of temple blessings for my deceased and excommunicated father.

I have continually been reading the scriptures, studying and listening to the Prophets, Apostles, and other General Authorities, from past General Conferences. And I regularly revisit this most recent General Conference as our Prophet has counseled us to. I have lived for every word that has proceeded forth from the mouth of God through His chosen servant, President Russell M. Nelson, and have strived to be strictly and quickly obedient. When he first issued his invitation a month ago for the youth to prepare for the youth fireside in June by daily reading the Book of Mormon and to pray for our hearts and minds to be prepared to receive his teachings at that time - I took up the challenge and did so as well, in spite of the fact that I'm no longer one of the "youth." And when he and his wife spoke at the youth fireside I immediately and wholeheartedly took up their challenge and invitation then as well.

I have been cutting back on "screen time" and social media in general, even before President Nelson's challenge was issued. And when I do post things to facebook I try and share only things that will help advance the cause of Zion and strengthen her stakes. If there is a bunch of garbage in my newsfeed I quickly pass by and move on to other things. If a friend posts "anything virtuous, lovely, or of good report or praiseworthy" then I will "like" it and try posting my support of it. I have tried to encourage my friends to be better and do better, without trying to be condescending or patronizing.

I have been praying for the missionaries, and specific missionaries I am acquainted with. I have been trying to mail them, email them, and in general support, strengthen, and encourage them. I have been trying to do missionary work myself - first by example, but also by opening my mouth and sharing my faith and testimony. Most especially I have tried to reach out to family who have left the Church and share with them. Without really planning to I rather suddenly took two weeks off from work and drove to Texas and Colorado to visit with these family members with the hopes of perhaps somehow reaching out to them and to invite them back into the fold. Unexpectedly I had the opportunity of visiting with a cousin and sharing with her non-member husband more about the gospel and our faith. I have reached out to an old friend and potential investigator via email to try getting back in touch and continuing my missionary efforts with them (I don't know that they'll ever receive it or respond as it's an old and possibly discarded email address, but still). I have tried to be a better example to my coworkers of what it means to be a disciple of Christ. I am trying to learn another language or two with the goal and hopes of being able to share the gospel and my testimony with people of other cultures.

I have been trying to be of more service and open to opportunities to serve. Sometimes at great personal sacrifice. I have tried to be more loving, more kind, more forgiving, more patient, more disciplined - in short: more Christ-like. I have done a lot of soul searching and evaluating my life, my heart, mind, desires, motives, and the path of my feet. I have tried to make course corrections as needed, and embrace changes, even hard changes, that will sanctify and simplify my life. I have been drinking deeply from the fountain of all righteousness and I'm loving it!

Truly did President Nelson speak when he said that we can each be a "part of something big, something grand, something majestic!" The latter-day work and kingdom of God is rolling forth in power and great glory preparatory to Jesus Christ's second coming. Are you sleeping through the Restoration?