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Yes, this is true. This doctrine was basically stated by a member of the temple presidency where I used to be a temple worker.
I remember very strongly feeling that was true a few years ago when I was in the Provo Temple. I feel peace in other temples, but I haven't quite felt that to the same magnitude. That doesn't mean it's not the case, though.
Do you have anything scriptural to back all of that up? Yes Christ can do that as evidenced by “the road to Emmaus”. Not sure What you / your temple prez are saying is doctrinal about resurrected being changing their apperance , withholding their glory...EdGoble wrote: ↑June 2nd, 2018, 8:45 pmYes, this is true. This doctrine was basically stated by a member of the temple presidency where I used to be a temple worker.
Spirits aren't the only people that visit the temple often, but resurrected personages too.
Keep in mind that resurrected personages can either (1) appear in glory, (2) hide their presence by making themselves invisible or not noticeable, or (3) appear as a different person or a generic person by hiding their identity, changing their appearance, like the Savior on the road to Emmaus, or like Peter James and John in the temple films.
Therefore, this member of the temple presidency stated basically that you never really know who it is around you in the temple, even workers or patrons that you see around you may not actually be who you think they appear to be. So you would never know if you had conversed with the Savior in the temple unless he revealed himself to you. You may think he is just a temple worker or a patron.
Similarly, you may have conversed with resurrected angels without knowing. And for all you knew, you thought they were regular mortals in the temple.
And so, this doctrine was particularly interesting to me, that sometimes resurrected personages act as proxies in ordinances, as part of their "playing the part", and you would never know. This was a new doctrine to me at the time, and there is nothing out of order about it. I had assumed that only mortals could participate in ordinances of the temple, but in fact, sometimes they are performed by visiting resurrected personages in disguise a la poor wayfaring man of grief.
Well there is the "Emmaus" story. I don't know if that means he literally looked different or if he did something to the minds of to those in his presence to prevent them from recognizing him.DesertWonderer2 wrote: ↑June 4th, 2018, 2:19 pmDo you have anything scriptural to back all of that up? Yes Christ can do that as evidenced by “the road to Emmaus”. Not sure What you / your temple prez are saying is doctrinal about resurrected being changing their apperance , withholding their glory...EdGoble wrote: ↑June 2nd, 2018, 8:45 pmYes, this is true. This doctrine was basically stated by a member of the temple presidency where I used to be a temple worker.
Spirits aren't the only people that visit the temple often, but resurrected personages too.
Keep in mind that resurrected personages can either (1) appear in glory, (2) hide their presence by making themselves invisible or not noticeable, or (3) appear as a different person or a generic person by hiding their identity, changing their appearance, like the Savior on the road to Emmaus, or like Peter James and John in the temple films.
Therefore, this member of the temple presidency stated basically that you never really know who it is around you in the temple, even workers or patrons that you see around you may not actually be who you think they appear to be. So you would never know if you had conversed with the Savior in the temple unless he revealed himself to you. You may think he is just a temple worker or a patron.
Similarly, you may have conversed with resurrected angels without knowing. And for all you knew, you thought they were regular mortals in the temple.
And so, this doctrine was particularly interesting to me, that sometimes resurrected personages act as proxies in ordinances, as part of their "playing the part", and you would never know. This was a new doctrine to me at the time, and there is nothing out of order about it. I had assumed that only mortals could participate in ordinances of the temple, but in fact, sometimes they are performed by visiting resurrected personages in disguise a la poor wayfaring man of grief.
I don't believe this.EdGoble wrote: ↑June 2nd, 2018, 8:45 pmYes, this is true. This doctrine was basically stated by a member of the temple presidency where I used to be a temple worker.
Spirits aren't the only people that visit the temple often, but resurrected personages too.
Keep in mind that resurrected personages can either (1) appear in glory, (2) hide their presence by making themselves invisible or not noticeable, or (3) appear as a different person or a generic person by hiding their identity, changing their appearance, like the Savior on the road to Emmaus, or like Peter James and John in the temple films.
Therefore, this member of the temple presidency stated basically that you never really know who it is around you in the temple, even workers or patrons that you see around you may not actually be who you think they appear to be. So you would never know if you had conversed with the Savior in the temple unless he revealed himself to you. You may think he is just a temple worker or a patron.
Similarly, you may have conversed with resurrected angels without knowing. And for all you knew, you thought they were regular mortals in the temple.
And so, this doctrine was particularly interesting to me, that sometimes resurrected personages act as proxies in ordinances, as part of their "playing the part", and you would never know. This was a new doctrine to me at the time, and there is nothing out of order about it. I had assumed that only mortals could participate in ordinances of the temple, but in fact, sometimes they are performed by visiting resurrected personages in disguise a la poor wayfaring man of grief.
I can add something, I was in a meeting once where the speaker had been to a fireside given by one of the Jordan River Temple Presidency. She was a friend of mine as well. She said this Temple Presidency member said that one morning he came to the J.R. Temple very early, before the doors open to Temple Workers, and the Lord permitted him to get a peak thru the veil, and see the Temple rooms and halls filled with angels who were there.
That is much more believable.kirtland r.m. wrote: ↑June 4th, 2018, 7:14 pmI can add something, I was in a meeting once where the speaker had been to a fireside given by one of the Jordan River Temple Presidency. She was a friend of mine as well. She said this Temple Presidency member said that one morning he came to the J.R. Temple very early, before the doors open to Temple Workers, and the Lord permitted him to get a peak thru the veil, and see the Temple rooms and halls filled with angels who were here.
I don't know why you think it needs scriptural backup. You can take it or leave it. I didn't claim it as Church doctrine, so therefore it isn't "doctrinal." It's something that this temple presidency member seems to have known by experience or something. It's not my invention for sure. You can do with it what you want.DesertWonderer2 wrote: ↑June 4th, 2018, 2:19 pmDo you have anything scriptural to back all of that up? Yes Christ can do that as evidenced by “the road to Emmaus”. Not sure What you / your temple prez are saying is doctrinal about resurrected being changing their apperance , withholding their glory...EdGoble wrote: ↑June 2nd, 2018, 8:45 pmYes, this is true. This doctrine was basically stated by a member of the temple presidency where I used to be a temple worker.
Spirits aren't the only people that visit the temple often, but resurrected personages too.
Keep in mind that resurrected personages can either (1) appear in glory, (2) hide their presence by making themselves invisible or not noticeable, or (3) appear as a different person or a generic person by hiding their identity, changing their appearance, like the Savior on the road to Emmaus, or like Peter James and John in the temple films.
Therefore, this member of the temple presidency stated basically that you never really know who it is around you in the temple, even workers or patrons that you see around you may not actually be who you think they appear to be. So you would never know if you had conversed with the Savior in the temple unless he revealed himself to you. You may think he is just a temple worker or a patron.
Similarly, you may have conversed with resurrected angels without knowing. And for all you knew, you thought they were regular mortals in the temple.
And so, this doctrine was particularly interesting to me, that sometimes resurrected personages act as proxies in ordinances, as part of their "playing the part", and you would never know. This was a new doctrine to me at the time, and there is nothing out of order about it. I had assumed that only mortals could participate in ordinances of the temple, but in fact, sometimes they are performed by visiting resurrected personages in disguise a la poor wayfaring man of grief.
You have your agency to believe what you want. We actually do live in something like that.Robin Hood wrote: ↑June 4th, 2018, 3:07 pmI don't believe this.EdGoble wrote: ↑June 2nd, 2018, 8:45 pmYes, this is true. This doctrine was basically stated by a member of the temple presidency where I used to be a temple worker.
Spirits aren't the only people that visit the temple often, but resurrected personages too.
Keep in mind that resurrected personages can either (1) appear in glory, (2) hide their presence by making themselves invisible or not noticeable, or (3) appear as a different person or a generic person by hiding their identity, changing their appearance, like the Savior on the road to Emmaus, or like Peter James and John in the temple films.
Therefore, this member of the temple presidency stated basically that you never really know who it is around you in the temple, even workers or patrons that you see around you may not actually be who you think they appear to be. So you would never know if you had conversed with the Savior in the temple unless he revealed himself to you. You may think he is just a temple worker or a patron.
Similarly, you may have conversed with resurrected angels without knowing. And for all you knew, you thought they were regular mortals in the temple.
And so, this doctrine was particularly interesting to me, that sometimes resurrected personages act as proxies in ordinances, as part of their "playing the part", and you would never know. This was a new doctrine to me at the time, and there is nothing out of order about it. I had assumed that only mortals could participate in ordinances of the temple, but in fact, sometimes they are performed by visiting resurrected personages in disguise a la poor wayfaring man of grief.
Sounds like a scene from The Matrix.
I think we can agree on that.EdGoble wrote: ↑June 6th, 2018, 6:03 amYou have your agency to believe what you want. We actually do live in something like that.Robin Hood wrote: ↑June 4th, 2018, 3:07 pmI don't believe this.EdGoble wrote: ↑June 2nd, 2018, 8:45 pmYes, this is true. This doctrine was basically stated by a member of the temple presidency where I used to be a temple worker.
Spirits aren't the only people that visit the temple often, but resurrected personages too.
Keep in mind that resurrected personages can either (1) appear in glory, (2) hide their presence by making themselves invisible or not noticeable, or (3) appear as a different person or a generic person by hiding their identity, changing their appearance, like the Savior on the road to Emmaus, or like Peter James and John in the temple films.
Therefore, this member of the temple presidency stated basically that you never really know who it is around you in the temple, even workers or patrons that you see around you may not actually be who you think they appear to be. So you would never know if you had conversed with the Savior in the temple unless he revealed himself to you. You may think he is just a temple worker or a patron.
Similarly, you may have conversed with resurrected angels without knowing. And for all you knew, you thought they were regular mortals in the temple.
And so, this doctrine was particularly interesting to me, that sometimes resurrected personages act as proxies in ordinances, as part of their "playing the part", and you would never know. This was a new doctrine to me at the time, and there is nothing out of order about it. I had assumed that only mortals could participate in ordinances of the temple, but in fact, sometimes they are performed by visiting resurrected personages in disguise a la poor wayfaring man of grief.
Sounds like a scene from The Matrix.
This was my first thought too!
You can be sure of that, just look at His earthly ministry.
DesertWonderer2 wrote: ↑June 4th, 2018, 2:19 pmDo you have anything scriptural to back all of that up? Yes Christ can do that as evidenced by “the road to Emmaus”. Not sure What you / your temple prez are saying is doctrinal about resurrected being changing their apperance , withholding their glory...EdGoble wrote: ↑June 2nd, 2018, 8:45 pmYes, this is true. This doctrine was basically stated by a member of the temple presidency where I used to be a temple worker.
Spirits aren't the only people that visit the temple often, but resurrected personages too.
Keep in mind that resurrected personages can either (1) appear in glory, (2) hide their presence by making themselves invisible or not noticeable, or (3) appear as a different person or a generic person by hiding their identity, changing their appearance, like the Savior on the road to Emmaus, or like Peter James and John in the temple films.
Therefore, this member of the temple presidency stated basically that you never really know who it is around you in the temple, even workers or patrons that you see around you may not actually be who you think they appear to be. So you would never know if you had conversed with the Savior in the temple unless he revealed himself to you. You may think he is just a temple worker or a patron.
Similarly, you may have conversed with resurrected angels without knowing. And for all you knew, you thought they were regular mortals in the temple.
And so, this doctrine was particularly interesting to me, that sometimes resurrected personages act as proxies in ordinances, as part of their "playing the part", and you would never know. This was a new doctrine to me at the time, and there is nothing out of order about it. I had assumed that only mortals could participate in ordinances of the temple, but in fact, sometimes they are performed by visiting resurrected personages in disguise a la poor wayfaring man of grief.
{This scripture clearly makes the case for angels witholding their glory --another example of angels who appear like regular people are those who came to Abraham and other examples from the Old Testament. }' Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have entertained angels unawares'.
{The 3 Nephites are translated beings who can apparently blend in enough that they minister without being identified, but do show themselves when they choose to.}'But behold I have seen them and they have ministered unto me. And behold they will be among the Gentiles, and the Gentiles shall know them not. They will also be among the Jews, and the Jews shall know them not.
And if shall come to pass, when the Lord seeth fit in his wisdom that they shall minister unto all the scattered tribes of Israel, and unto all nations, kindreds, tongues and people, and shall bring out of them unto Jesus many souls, that their desire may be fulfilled, and also because of the convincing power of God which is in them.
And they are as the angels of God, and if they shall pray unto the Father in the name of Jesus they can show themselves unto whatsoever man it seemeth them good.'
Emma Smith – On her way from Harmony to Fayette, in the company of Joseph Smith, Oliver Cowdery, and David Whitmer, Emma saw Moroni. The company while riding in a horse drawn wagon came upon an old man walking along the road. David looked to Joseph for instruction and Joseph told David to offer the old man a ride. The old man declined the offer and stated that he was heading to Cumorah. The name Cumorah was not known to David, so he turned to Joseph for an explanation. Suddenly the man disappeared. Joseph identified the old man as Moroni and Joseph told the others that Moroni was safely transporting the plates to the Whitmer Farm and would return the plates to Joseph once they arrived.
http://www.livingheritagetours.com/moro ... nt-people/Mary Whitmer – When entering the barn early one morning to milk the cows, Mary encountered an old man who identified himself as Moroni. He appeared as a traveling old man, just as described by her son David as the man who he had earlier encountered along the road from Harmony. He testified of the work Joseph was involved with, which was occurring in her home, and “then untied his knapsack and showed her a bundle of plates, which corresponded with the description given by the witnesses of the Book of Mormon”. After showing her the plates, Moroni told Mary “to be patient and faithful in bearing her burden a little longer, promising that if she would do so, she should be blessed; and her reward would be sure, if she proved faithful to the end”.
Just for clarification. It wasn't THE temple President. It was one of the temple presidency (i.e. a counselor).AI2.0 wrote: ↑June 6th, 2018, 10:01 am Notice that in the first incident, Joseph Smith jr. identified the old man as Moroni, therefore Joseph's assertion supports the Temple President's claim that resurrected beings have the power to change their appearance and withhold their glory if they so choose.
It is supporting the idea that the Lord walks the halls of all LDS temples in the world, at least I think. I don't think that there was a notion here that he walks all halls of all Temples no matter what religion.Dusty52 wrote: ↑June 6th, 2018, 12:18 pm Am I missing the point here, the Lord walks along the halls of the temples of the world, this thread is pointing and supporting this idea, my thought is with the millions of children dying etc, why isn't he walking along their halls? How can he walk along the halls of the temple knowing about the suffering and death of these children, I don't get it?
Maybe he isn't as interested in the temporal suffering and death of children as you are.Dusty52 wrote: ↑June 6th, 2018, 12:18 pm Am I missing the point here, the Lord walks along the halls of the temples of the world, this thread is pointing and supporting this idea, my thought is with the millions of children dying etc, why isn't he walking along their halls? How can he walk along the halls of the temple knowing about the suffering and death of these children, I don't get it?
There are a number of things that come to mind.Dusty52 wrote: ↑June 6th, 2018, 12:18 pm Am I missing the point here, the Lord walks along the halls of the temples of the world, this thread is pointing and supporting this idea, my thought is with the millions of children dying etc, why isn't he walking along their halls? How can he walk along the halls of the temple knowing about the suffering and death of these children, I don't get it?
IMO, it's not his job. It's your job, and mine. We should be begotten, sanctified, reborn Children of Christ who do the same works he would do. Easier said than done, I know. I fail, you fail, we all fail.