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3 Nephi 10 contains the keys to being spared in the last days and brought to Christ.

How long will we ignore, nor see the pattern?

I believe that along similar lines, or like unto what transpired in third Nephi 10, is going to happen again in our day sometime in the future. And that the more righteous will be spared. And the more righteous that are spared will have the privilege of assisting in various ways the "remnant of Jacob" to build that New Jerusalem in Jackson County, MO. And like unto those that were spared back then because of not having blood upon their hands, those that are left or spared in the near future also will not have blood on their hands. And I believe that having blood on your hands also includes the atrocious act of abortion and anything to do with it. But how glorious it would be, to be privileged to go along with those that are chosen to help redeem Zion. But the requisite is to "Repent and turn unto Christ with full purpose of heart".

12 And it was the more righteous part of the people who were saved, and it was they who received the prophets and stoned them not; and it was they who had not shed the blood of the saints, who were spared--

What does it mean to “receive” the prophets?

drtanner wrote: ↑May 27th, 2018, 11:45 pm 3 Nephi 10 contains the keys to being spared in the last days and brought to Christ.

How long will we ignore, nor see the pattern?

Key part to the pattern more than merely being spared is ones individual recognition to become healed / converted in and through Christ before OUR last day calamities / cleansing begins. More emphasis on the personal relationship with Jesus that leads to redemption before tribulations is one of many reasons why we are privileged to have and benefit from the book of Mormon.. Are we bennefitting?

3nephi 9:
13 O all ye that are spared because ye were more righteous than they, will ye not now return unto me, and repent of your sins, and be converted, that I may heal you?
14 Yea, verily I say unto you, if ye will come unto me ye shall have eternal life. Behold, mine arm of mercy is extended towards you, and whosoever will come, him will I receive; and blessed are those who come unto me.
15 Behold, I am Jesus Christ the Son of God. I created the heavens and the earth, and all things that in them are. I was with the Father from the beginning. I am in the Father, and the Father in me; and in me hath the Father glorified his name.
16 I came unto my own, and my own received me not. And the scriptures concerning my coming are fulfilled.
17 And as many as have received me, to them have I given to become the sons of God; and even so will I to as many as shall believe on my name, for behold, by me redemption cometh, and in me is the law of Moses fulfilled.
18 I am the light and the life of the world. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end.
19 And ye shall offer up unto me no more the shedding of blood; yea, your sacrifices and your burnt offerings shall be done away, for I will accept none of your sacrifices and your burnt offerings.
20 And ye shall offer for a sacrifice unto me a broken heart and a contrite spirit. And whoso cometh unto me with a broken heart and a contrite spirit, him will I baptize with fire and with the Holy Ghost, even as the Lamanites, because of their faith in me at the time of their conversion, were baptized with fire and with the Holy Ghost, and they knew it not.
21 Behold, I have come unto the world to bring redemption unto the world, to save the world from sin.

22 Therefore, whoso repenteth and cometh unto me as a little child, him will I receive, for of such is the kingdom of God. Behold, for such I have laid down my life, and have taken it up again; therefore repent, and come unto me ye ends of the earth, and be saved.

drtanner wrote: ↑May 29th, 2018, 7:44 am

12 And it was the more righteous part of the people who were saved, and it was they who received the prophets and stoned them not; and it was they who had not shed the blood of the saints, who were spared--

What does it mean to “receive” the prophets?

What does it mean to be redeemed by Christ by receiving him? These are great words in conection to 3nephi 9 above quoted scriptures:

John 1:

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
6 ¶ There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.
7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.
8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.
9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

If one is reconciled unto Christ first and foremost than one can truly bennefit from the blessed John the Baptists of world which point to the significance ofl becoming one with Jesus and giving life to the power of this scripture.

2nephi 28:

31 Cursed is he that putteth his trust in man, or maketh flesh his arm, or shall hearken unto the precepts of men, save their precepts shall be given by the power of the Holy Ghost.
32 Wo be unto the Gentiles, saith the Lord God of Hosts! For notwithstanding I shall lengthen out mine arm unto them from day to day, they will deny me; nevertheless, I will be merciful unto them, saith the Lord God, if they will repent and come unto me; for mine arm is lengthened out all the day long, saith the Lord God of Hosts.

You might be interested in reading the account of the Nemenhah people found in the Mentinah Archive. Few know that we already have some of the records that are to come forth and these are some of them.

Here is the account of the Savior's visit to the Nemenhah people, who were all spared at his death and resurrection.

https://zionspath.com/?p=262

They were spared because they left the land of Zarahemla after the wars of Captain Moroni when Hagoth began building boats. These are the people who went northward because they knew the ultimate fate of the Nephites and did not want to be a part of their wickedness. They changed their government so that the women had a voice and this helped keep them righteous and peaceful. Among these people were the descendents of the Ammonites or Anti-Nephi-Lehis. Some of these still continue today as they Hopi Indians.

11 And thus far were the scriptures fulfilled which had been spoken by the prophets.

12 And it was the more righteous part of the people who were saved, and it was they who received the prophets and stoned them not; and it was they who had not shed the blood of the saints, who were spared—

13 And they were spared and were not sunk and buried up in the earth; and they were not drowned in the depths of the sea; and they were not burned by fire, neither were they fallen upon and crushed to death; and they were not carried away in the whirlwind; neither were they overpowered by the vapor of smoke and of darkness.

Why were the prophets being stoned? Could it have something to do with the Law of Moses? Is there much more going on here than meets the eye? How could you tell a true prophet from a false one? Did prophets in the Book of Mormon reveal their authority? I mean did they show those who they were speaking to that they came with authority? What would that look like? There's much to consider here.

drtanner wrote: ↑May 29th, 2018, 7:44 am

12 And it was the more righteous part of the people who were saved, and it was they who received the prophets and stoned them not; and it was they who had not shed the blood of the saints, who were spared--

What does it mean to “receive” the prophets?

Define prophet or what do you mean with the word "prophets"?

-Finrock

drtanner wrote: ↑May 29th, 2018, 7:44 am

12 And it was the more righteous part of the people who were saved, and it was they who received the prophets and stoned them not; and it was they who had not shed the blood of the saints, who were spared--

What does it mean to “receive” the prophets?

As a church we have continually turned a deaf ear to their counsel and as a result lost the blessings of living a higher law.

Many fools fault the prophet and apostles for the stagnation. We the members are to blame.

Baloney!

RTaylor wrote: ↑June 17th, 2018, 5:55 pm

drtanner wrote: ↑May 29th, 2018, 7:44 am

12 And it was the more righteous part of the people who were saved, and it was they who received the prophets and stoned them not; and it was they who had not shed the blood of the saints, who were spared--

What does it mean to “receive” the prophets?

As a church we have continually turned a deaf ear to their counsel and as a result lost the blessings of living a higher law.

Many fools fault the prophet and apostles for the stagnation. We the members are to blame.

The whole Church is to blame for any blessing not received or fulfilled that applies to the Church. In fact, if anything the leaders have the greatest responsibility. Why? Because they are the leaders! The buck stops here, right? A good leader doesn't blame his followers for failure. He takes responsibility. That is what an honorable leader does. Your post represents a cult like mentality. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is NOT A CULT. Stop treating it like a cult. Stop thinking like its a cult. Drop the cult mentality and embrace the reality that we are not a cult.

Prophets, apostles, leaders are ALL members of this Church. So, if by "members" you actually mean "members" then I agree. If by "members" you mean everyone except the leaders, then like Jesef said, "baloney"!

-Finrock

Finrock wrote: ↑June 18th, 2018, 8:23 am

RTaylor wrote: ↑June 17th, 2018, 5:55 pm

drtanner wrote: ↑May 29th, 2018, 7:44 am

12 And it was the more righteous part of the people who were saved, and it was they who received the prophets and stoned them not; and it was they who had not shed the blood of the saints, who were spared--

What does it mean to “receive” the prophets?

As a church we have continually turned a deaf ear to their counsel and as a result lost the blessings of living a higher law.

Many fools fault the prophet and apostles for the stagnation. We the members are to blame.

The whole Church is to blame for any blessing not received or fulfilled that applies to the Church. In fact, if anything the leaders have the greatest responsibility. Why? Because they are the leaders! The buck stops here, right? A good leader doesn't blame his followers for failure. He takes responsibility. That is what an honorable leader does. Your post represents a cult like mentality. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is NOT A CULT. Stop treating it like a cult. Stop thinking like its a cult. Drop the cult mentality and embrace the reality that we are not a cult.

Prophets, apostles, leaders are ALL members of this Church. So, if by "members" you actually mean "members" then I agree. If by "members" you mean everyone except the leaders, then like Jesef said, "baloney"!

-Finrock

Read the Exodus, Leviticus, etc? In the end Moses was translated and all those who rebelled received not the promised land.

Go ahead and worship your golden calf and idols, and continue to speak against God's anointed. I know how that works out, do you?

Numbers 11-17 this is what you risk rebelling against the prophet and apostles. With tribulations and God's judgment coming I'd be extremely careful not to be in opposition to the leadership. But what do I know, I'm just your average guy, nothing extraordinary here.

RTaylor wrote: ↑June 18th, 2018, 9:08 am

Finrock wrote: ↑June 18th, 2018, 8:23 am

RTaylor wrote: ↑June 17th, 2018, 5:55 pm

drtanner wrote: ↑May 29th, 2018, 7:44 am

What does it mean to “receive” the prophets?

As a church we have continually turned a deaf ear to their counsel and as a result lost the blessings of living a higher law.

Many fools fault the prophet and apostles for the stagnation. We the members are to blame.

The whole Church is to blame for any blessing not received or fulfilled that applies to the Church. In fact, if anything the leaders have the greatest responsibility. Why? Because they are the leaders! The buck stops here, right? A good leader doesn't blame his followers for failure. He takes responsibility. That is what an honorable leader does. Your post represents a cult like mentality. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is NOT A CULT. Stop treating it like a cult. Stop thinking like its a cult. Drop the cult mentality and embrace the reality that we are not a cult.

Prophets, apostles, leaders are ALL members of this Church. So, if by "members" you actually mean "members" then I agree. If by "members" you mean everyone except the leaders, then like Jesef said, "baloney"!

-Finrock

Read the Exodus, Leviticus, etc? In the end Moses was translated and all those who rebelled received not the promised land.

Go ahead and worship your golden calf and idols, and continue to speak against God's anointed. I know how that works out, do you?

The whole Church is to blame for any blessing not received or fulfilled that applies to the Church. In fact, if anything the leaders have the greatest responsibility. Why? Because they are the leaders! The buck stops here, right? A good leader doesn't blame his followers for failure. He takes responsibility. That is what an honorable leader does. Your post represents a cult like mentality. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is NOT A CULT. Stop treating it like a cult. Stop thinking like its a cult. Drop the cult mentality and embrace the reality that we are not a cult.

Prophets, apostles, leaders are ALL members of this Church. So, if by "members" you actually mean "members" then I agree. If by "members" you mean everyone except the leaders, then like Jesef said, "baloney"!

-Finrock

Finrock wrote: ↑June 18th, 2018, 9:12 am

RTaylor wrote: ↑June 18th, 2018, 9:08 am

Finrock wrote: ↑June 18th, 2018, 8:23 am

RTaylor wrote: ↑June 17th, 2018, 5:55 pm

As a church we have continually turned a deaf ear to their counsel and as a result lost the blessings of living a higher law.

Many fools fault the prophet and apostles for the stagnation. We the members are to blame.

The whole Church is to blame for any blessing not received or fulfilled that applies to the Church. In fact, if anything the leaders have the greatest responsibility. Why? Because they are the leaders! The buck stops here, right? A good leader doesn't blame his followers for failure. He takes responsibility. That is what an honorable leader does. Your post represents a cult like mentality. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is NOT A CULT. Stop treating it like a cult. Stop thinking like its a cult. Drop the cult mentality and embrace the reality that we are not a cult.

Prophets, apostles, leaders are ALL members of this Church. So, if by "members" you actually mean "members" then I agree. If by "members" you mean everyone except the leaders, then like Jesef said, "baloney"!

-Finrock

Read the Exodus, Leviticus, etc? In the end Moses was translated and all those who rebelled received not the promised land.

Go ahead and worship your golden calf and idols, and continue to speak against God's anointed. I know how that works out, do you?

The whole Church is to blame for any blessing not received or fulfilled that applies to the Church. In fact, if anything the leaders have the greatest responsibility. Why? Because they are the leaders! The buck stops here, right? A good leader doesn't blame his followers for failure. He takes responsibility. That is what an honorable leader does. Your post represents a cult like mentality. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is NOT A CULT. Stop treating it like a cult. Stop thinking like its a cult. Drop the cult mentality and embrace the reality that we are not a cult.

Prophets, apostles, leaders are ALL members of this Church. So, if by "members" you actually mean "members" then I agree. If by "members" you mean everyone except the leaders, then like Jesef said, "baloney"!

-Finrock

Numbers 11-17 this is what you risk rebelling against the prophet and apostles. With tribulations and God's judgment coming I'd be extremely careful not to be in opposition to the leadership. But what do I know, I'm just your average guy, nothing extraordinary here.

RTaylor wrote: ↑June 18th, 2018, 9:34 am

Finrock wrote: ↑June 18th, 2018, 9:12 am

RTaylor wrote: ↑June 18th, 2018, 9:08 am

Finrock wrote: ↑June 18th, 2018, 8:23 am

The whole Church is to blame for any blessing not received or fulfilled that applies to the Church. In fact, if anything the leaders have the greatest responsibility. Why? Because they are the leaders! The buck stops here, right? A good leader doesn't blame his followers for failure. He takes responsibility. That is what an honorable leader does. Your post represents a cult like mentality. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is NOT A CULT. Stop treating it like a cult. Stop thinking like its a cult. Drop the cult mentality and embrace the reality that we are not a cult.

Prophets, apostles, leaders are ALL members of this Church. So, if by "members" you actually mean "members" then I agree. If by "members" you mean everyone except the leaders, then like Jesef said, "baloney"!

-Finrock

Read the Exodus, Leviticus, etc? In the end Moses was translated and all those who rebelled received not the promised land.

Go ahead and worship your golden calf and idols, and continue to speak against God's anointed. I know how that works out, do you?

The whole Church is to blame for any blessing not received or fulfilled that applies to the Church. In fact, if anything the leaders have the greatest responsibility. Why? Because they are the leaders! The buck stops here, right? A good leader doesn't blame his followers for failure. He takes responsibility. That is what an honorable leader does. Your post represents a cult like mentality. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is NOT A CULT. Stop treating it like a cult. Stop thinking like its a cult. Drop the cult mentality and embrace the reality that we are not a cult.

Prophets, apostles, leaders are ALL members of this Church. So, if by "members" you actually mean "members" then I agree. If by "members" you mean everyone except the leaders, then like Jesef said, "baloney"!

-Finrock

Numbers 11-17 this is what you risk rebelling against the prophet and apostles. With tribulations and God's judgment coming I'd be extremely careful not to be in opposition to the leadership. But what do I know, I'm just your average guy, nothing extraordinary here.

You are no less than anyone else. God is not a respector of persons and He doesn't esteem one flesh above another. In God's eyes you are awesome.

Your quote from Numbers doesn't apply, not even in the least. That is my whole point. Saying that prophets and apostles are fallible and they have a responsibility to bear for the state of the Church is not rebelling. If you think so its because you have a cult like mentality about the Church. The Church is not a cult.

-Finrock

Finrock wrote: ↑June 18th, 2018, 9:38 am

RTaylor wrote: ↑June 18th, 2018, 9:34 am

Finrock wrote: ↑June 18th, 2018, 9:12 am

RTaylor wrote: ↑June 18th, 2018, 9:08 am

Read the Exodus, Leviticus, etc? In the end Moses was translated and all those who rebelled received not the promised land.

Go ahead and worship your golden calf and idols, and continue to speak against God's anointed. I know how that works out, do you?

The whole Church is to blame for any blessing not received or fulfilled that applies to the Church. In fact, if anything the leaders have the greatest responsibility. Why? Because they are the leaders! The buck stops here, right? A good leader doesn't blame his followers for failure. He takes responsibility. That is what an honorable leader does. Your post represents a cult like mentality. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is NOT A CULT. Stop treating it like a cult. Stop thinking like its a cult. Drop the cult mentality and embrace the reality that we are not a cult.

Prophets, apostles, leaders are ALL members of this Church. So, if by "members" you actually mean "members" then I agree. If by "members" you mean everyone except the leaders, then like Jesef said, "baloney"!

-Finrock

Numbers 11-17 this is what you risk rebelling against the prophet and apostles. With tribulations and God's judgment coming I'd be extremely careful not to be in opposition to the leadership. But what do I know, I'm just your average guy, nothing extraordinary here.

You are no less than anyone else. God is not a respector of persons and He doesn't esteem one flesh above another. In God's eyes you are awesome.

Your quote from Numbers doesn't apply, not even in the least. That is my whole point. Saying that prophets and apostles are fallible and they have a responsibility to bear for the state of the Church is not rebelling. If you think so its because you have a cult like mentality about the Church. The Church is not a cult.

-Finrock

It directly applies. While they go to converse on mount Sanai we metaphorically worshiped the golden calf, received the lesser portion, and now some of you want to point the finger at them.

I'm sure Moses, like our General Authorities, also had flaws nonetheless the Lord expected the people to receive the law through him. And they were reprimanded when they murmured.

"And Joshua said unto all the people [of Israel], … choose you this day whom ye will serve; … but as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord" (Josh. 24:2, 15) By heading the words of his prophets i.e. the word of God.

RTaylor wrote: ↑June 18th, 2018, 3:09 pm

Finrock wrote: ↑June 18th, 2018, 9:38 am

RTaylor wrote: ↑June 18th, 2018, 9:34 am

Finrock wrote: ↑June 18th, 2018, 9:12 am

The whole Church is to blame for any blessing not received or fulfilled that applies to the Church. In fact, if anything the leaders have the greatest responsibility. Why? Because they are the leaders! The buck stops here, right? A good leader doesn't blame his followers for failure. He takes responsibility. That is what an honorable leader does. Your post represents a cult like mentality. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is NOT A CULT. Stop treating it like a cult. Stop thinking like its a cult. Drop the cult mentality and embrace the reality that we are not a cult.

Prophets, apostles, leaders are ALL members of this Church. So, if by "members" you actually mean "members" then I agree. If by "members" you mean everyone except the leaders, then like Jesef said, "baloney"!

-Finrock

Numbers 11-17 this is what you risk rebelling against the prophet and apostles. With tribulations and God's judgment coming I'd be extremely careful not to be in opposition to the leadership. But what do I know, I'm just your average guy, nothing extraordinary here.

You are no less than anyone else. God is not a respector of persons and He doesn't esteem one flesh above another. In God's eyes you are awesome.

Your quote from Numbers doesn't apply, not even in the least. That is my whole point. Saying that prophets and apostles are fallible and they have a responsibility to bear for the state of the Church is not rebelling. If you think so its because you have a cult like mentality about the Church. The Church is not a cult.

-Finrock

It directly applies. While they go to converse on mount Sanai we metaphorically worshiped the golden calf, received the lesser portion, and now some of you want to point the finger at them.

I'm sure Moses, like our General Authorities, also had flaws nonetheless the Lord expected the people to receive the law through him. And they were reprimanded when they murmured.

"And Joshua said unto all the people [of Israel], … choose you this day whom ye will serve; … but as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord" (Josh. 24:2, 15) By heading the words of his prophets i.e. the word of God.

That is what happened in those scriptures. I've read them too. Its not rebellious to point out that a good leader takes responsibility for the success and the failure of their stewardship. A good leader doesn't go around blaming their followers. Some leaders do and its lame and shallow. But, good leaders don't. Also, in cults, you are never allowed to suggest that the leaders made a mistake or the reason why things aren't working out is because the leaders are responsible or that they even have any responsibility. In our Church, which is NOT a cult, we don't have to worry about that. We don't have to just blame ourselves, as lay members, for all the failures of the Church. We can be objective, honest, truthful, and speak to reality as it really is. Its OK. That doesn't make a person rebellious or apostate. Having unquestioning loyalty to mortals isn't a virtue, its a vice. Damnable one. We don't have to live in fear thinking that if we ever question our leaders we are now bad Mormons and bad people and we are on the "high road to apostasy". That's rubbish.

Your scripture that you used to imply that I'm being rebellious doesn't apply to me, not even in the slightest. Saying that prophets and apostles are fallible and they have a responsibility to bear for the state of the Church is not rebelling. If you think so its because you have a cult like mentality about the Church. The Church is not a cult.

You are a member of this body and you are just as important and needed as the head. We all play a role and we all have our functions.

-Finrock

RTaylor wrote: ↑June 18th, 2018, 3:09 pm "And Joshua said unto all the people [of Israel], … choose you this day whom ye will serve; … but as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord" (Josh. 24:2, 15) By heading the words of his prophets i.e. the word of God.

By-the-way, that was a nifty little trick there that you did. See, the scriptures said, "but as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord".

In cults the leaders are regarded as "God". Thank God the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is not a cult and we don't regard our leaders as God. They are servants, not our masters. They serve to help us come to Jesus Christ.

-Finrock

Finrock wrote: ↑June 18th, 2018, 3:28 pm

RTaylor wrote: ↑June 18th, 2018, 3:09 pm "And Joshua said unto all the people [of Israel], … choose you this day whom ye will serve; … but as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord" (Josh. 24:2, 15) By heading the words of his prophets i.e. the word of God.

By-the-way, that was a nifty little trick there that you did. See, the scriptures said, "but as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord".

In cults the leaders are regarded as "God". Thank God the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is not a cult and we don't regard our leaders as God. They are servants, not our masters. They serve to help us come to Jesus Christ.

-Finrock

By-the-way, that was a nifty little trick there that you did.
Call those who follow the prophets cultish. If only I was enlightened and could murmur, I mean, complain, um disagree with them, THEN I'll be hip and cool. AND an open minded free thinker. That about cover it?

RTaylor wrote: ↑June 18th, 2018, 4:44 pm

Finrock wrote: ↑June 18th, 2018, 3:28 pm

RTaylor wrote: ↑June 18th, 2018, 3:09 pm "And Joshua said unto all the people [of Israel], … choose you this day whom ye will serve; … but as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord" (Josh. 24:2, 15) By heading the words of his prophets i.e. the word of God.

By-the-way, that was a nifty little trick there that you did. See, the scriptures said, "but as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord".

In cults the leaders are regarded as "God". Thank God the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is not a cult and we don't regard our leaders as God. They are servants, not our masters. They serve to help us come to Jesus Christ.

-Finrock

By-the-way, that was a nifty little trick there that you did.
Call those who follow the prophets cultish. If only I was enlightened and could murmur, I mean, complain, um disagree with them, THEN I'll be hip and cool. AND an open minded free thinker. That about cover it?

What part about cults do you disagree with?

Do cults believe that their leaders are God? Yes.

Do cults believe that you can't ever question your leaders? Yes.

Do cults believe that disagreeing with a leader is an act of rebellion? Yes.

Do cult leaders ever take blame for mistakes? No.

Do people in cults ever blame their leaders for anything bad? No.

Do good leaders take responsibility for their stewardship, good or bad? Yes.

Are cult leaders above reproach to their followers? Yes.

Are cult members punished socially or otherwise for disagreeing with cult leaders or assigning any blame for negative things to them? Yes.

Are cult leaders venerated and placed on a pedestal by their followers? Yes.

Do those who follow the cult leader lash out, accuse, and attempt to punish anyone who dare assign anything negative to the cult leader? Yes.

The fact that you are implying that I'm rebellious, murmuring, and complaining because of anything that I've said in this thread is evidence that you are operating under a cult mentality. Only someone operating from a cult mentality would think what I've said constitutes rebellion, murmuring, or complaining.

NEW FLASH: The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is not a cult even though some members of the Church treat it that way.

-Finrock

A mormon? Envious of religions were the members make the decisions...

I personally am very glad we're led by prophets and not "logic and reason", words often uttered by those who have neither. Or even worse the voice of the members.

“Nobody’s very clever, nobody’s very brave, nobody’s very strong, nobody’s very wise, we’re all pretty stupid. That’s why we’re not tested in those things.” What we are tested on our what Hugh considers to be the two most important “moral qualities”: “We can forgive and we can repent, so three cheers. Let’s start repenting as of now.”
- Hugh Nibley