Church Finances

[Thinker]

Part of the LDS Church’s Corporate Empire:
(*Note: Several of the listed corporations have many smaller financial or business branches underneath them.)

Deseret Management Corporation - http://www.deseretmanagement.com/
Beneficial Financial Group - http://www.beneficialfinancialgroup.com/
Bonneville International - http://www.bonnint.com/
Bonneville Communications - http://www.bonneville.com/
Bonneville Interactive Services
Bonneville Satellite - http://www.bonnevillesatellite.com/
35 Radio Stations
1 Television Station (KSL)
Deseret Book - http://deseretbook.com/
Excel Entertainment - http://www.xelent.com/
Deseret Morning News - http://deseretnews.com/dn
Hawaii Reserves - http://www.hawaiireserves.com/
Polynesian Cultural Center (PCC) - http://www.polynesia.com/ and http://www.polynesia.co.jp/
La'ie Shopping Center
La'ie Park
La'ie Cemetary
Hukilau Beach Park
La'ie Water Company
La'ie Treatment Works (sewer)
Mstar.net - http://www.mstar.net/preportal/index.asp
Temple Square Hospitality - http://www.htsc.net/ and http://www.hoteltsc.com/
Weddings (JSMB and Lion House)
The Inn at Temple Square - http://www.diningattemplesquare.com/
Lion House Pantry - http://www.diningattemplesquare.com/
The Roof Restaurant - http://www.diningattemplesquare.com/
The Garden Restaurant - http://www.diningattemplesquare.com/
Passages Restaurant - http://www.diningattemplesquare.com/
Zions Securities Corporation - http://www.zsc.com/

Farm Management Corporation (commericial farms and agricultural properties)
Deseret Land and Livestock
200,000 acres of land in Rich, Morgan and Weber counties (Utah)
Sun Ranch (Martin's Cove)
Deseret Ranches of Florida (Orlando) (largest ranch in Florida)
Deseret Farms of California
Rolling Hills (Idaho)
West Hills Orchards (Elberta, Utah)
Cactus Lane Ranch (Arizona)
(more)

Corporation of the Presiding Bishop of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (CPB)
Corporation of the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints
Deseret Trust Company
LDS Family Services
Property Reserves Inc. (PRI)
Ensign Peak Advisors - http://www.imno.org/articles.asp?qid=123

Deseret Mutual Benefit Administrators (DMBA) - http://www.dmba.com/

Brigham Young University (BYU) - http://home.byu.edu/webapp/home/index.jsp
BYU - Idaho - http://www.byui.edu/
BYU - Hawaii - http://www.byuh.edu/index.jsp
LDS Business College - http://www.ldsbc.edu/

This list is far from complete, and was compiled after the shopping mall in Hawaii but before City Creek shopping mall and the other shopping mall in AZ. I wonder how Jesus would like his name used to make money while denying the poor of their rightful part of tithes (see Deut. 14:28-29 & teachings of Jesus).

[shadow]

Are people of other faiths blessed when they pay tithing?

People are blessed for giving.
Tithing is specific in many ways including who the commandment is given to and who it's paid to. Other faiths aren't commanded to pay tithing, at least that I can see anywhere.

[AI2.0]

Part of the LDS Church’s Corporate Empire:
(*Note: Several of the listed corporations have many smaller financial or business branches underneath them.)

Deseret Management Corporation - http://www.deseretmanagement.com/
Beneficial Financial Group - http://www.beneficialfinancialgroup.com/
Bonneville International - http://www.bonnint.com/
Bonneville Communications - http://www.bonneville.com/
Bonneville Interactive Services
Bonneville Satellite - http://www.bonnevillesatellite.com/
35 Radio Stations
1 Television Station (KSL)
Deseret Book - http://deseretbook.com/
Excel Entertainment - http://www.xelent.com/
Deseret Morning News - http://deseretnews.com/dn
Hawaii Reserves - http://www.hawaiireserves.com/
Polynesian Cultural Center (PCC) - http://www.polynesia.com/ and http://www.polynesia.co.jp/
La'ie Shopping Center
La'ie Park
La'ie Cemetary
Hukilau Beach Park
La'ie Water Company
La'ie Treatment Works (sewer)
Mstar.net - http://www.mstar.net/preportal/index.asp
Temple Square Hospitality - http://www.htsc.net/ and http://www.hoteltsc.com/
Weddings (JSMB and Lion House)
The Inn at Temple Square - http://www.diningattemplesquare.com/
Lion House Pantry - http://www.diningattemplesquare.com/
The Roof Restaurant - http://www.diningattemplesquare.com/
The Garden Restaurant - http://www.diningattemplesquare.com/
Passages Restaurant - http://www.diningattemplesquare.com/
Zions Securities Corporation - http://www.zsc.com/

Farm Management Corporation (commericial farms and agricultural properties)
Deseret Land and Livestock
200,000 acres of land in Rich, Morgan and Weber counties (Utah)
Sun Ranch (Martin's Cove)
Deseret Ranches of Florida (Orlando) (largest ranch in Florida)
Deseret Farms of California
Rolling Hills (Idaho)
West Hills Orchards (Elberta, Utah)
Cactus Lane Ranch (Arizona)
(more)

Corporation of the Presiding Bishop of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (CPB)
Corporation of the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints
Deseret Trust Company
LDS Family Services
Property Reserves Inc. (PRI)
Ensign Peak Advisors - http://www.imno.org/articles.asp?qid=123

Deseret Mutual Benefit Administrators (DMBA) - http://www.dmba.com/

Brigham Young University (BYU) - http://home.byu.edu/webapp/home/index.jsp
BYU - Idaho - http://www.byui.edu/
BYU - Hawaii - http://www.byuh.edu/index.jsp
LDS Business College - http://www.ldsbc.edu/

This list is far from complete, and was compiled after the shopping mall in Hawaii but before City Creek shopping mall and the other shopping mall in AZ. I wonder how Jesus would like his name used to make money while denying the poor of their rightful part of tithes (see Deut. 14:28-29 & teachings of Jesus).

How does Jesus like how the 'church' is using it's resources?

If you believe that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is guided by living prophets who pray to know the will of the Lord in how to run his church(including financial matters), then the logical assumption is that Jesus is fine with how his servants are allocating church funds.

[ajax]

Are people of other faiths blessed when they pay tithing?

Are people of no faith blessed when they don't pay tithing?

[gardener4life]

Are people of other faiths blessed when they pay tithing?

Are people of no faith blessed when they don't pay tithing?

Good question! Let me just add a bit more to that...

And are people also of no faith, blessed when they don't pay tithing, while at the same time they are criticizing how others are paying tithing? (People who pay it and have a testimony of the blessings from it won't be criticizing it, 'because' of seeing the blessings.) So the people criticizing how others pay, most the time aren't paying themselves...yet get to be critical. Unbelievable...

[EmmaLee]

Are people of other faiths blessed when they pay tithing?

People are blessed for giving.
Tithing is specific in many ways including who the commandment is given to and who it's paid to. Other faiths aren't commanded to pay tithing, at least that I can see anywhere.

Several scriptures in the Bible refer to tithing and the promised blessings. Many faiths read and believe the Bible and try to follow its teachings. I don't see why those faithful people wouldn't be blessed for paying tithes to their respective churches. Why wouldn't they? According to their understanding and faith, just like ours, they will be blessed.

We are good friends with several of our neighbors who belong to different Christian denominations. They pay tithing - they call it tithing - their churches call it tithing - and they do consider themselves blessed for giving these funds to their churches, not unlike members of our own Church. Why would the Lord withhold the promised blessings (Malachi 3:10-11) from these good, faithful people who are trying to obey his commandment on tithing as given in the Bible?

Tithes, Tithing

See also Money; Offering

Abraham gave tithes of all he possessed to Melchizedek, Gen. 14:18–20 (Heb. 7:1–2, 9).

All the tithe is the Lord’s: it is holy unto the Lord, Lev. 27:30–34.

Thou shalt truly tithe all the increase, Deut. 14:22, 28.

The tithe of all things brought they in abundantly, 2 Chr. 31:5.

Will a man rob God? Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings, Mal. 3:8–11

[Thinker]

Are people of other faiths blessed when they pay tithing?

Are people of no faith blessed when they don't pay tithing?

Who said God’s monetary system is the US dollar or other currency?
Considering the more limited nature of an individual’s lifetime, isn’t time more valuable?

[Thinker]

Part of the LDS Church’s Corporate Empire:
(*Note: Several of the listed corporations have many smaller financial or business branches underneath them.)

Deseret Management Corporation - http://www.deseretmanagement.com/
Beneficial Financial Group - http://www.beneficialfinancialgroup.com/
Bonneville International - http://www.bonnint.com/
Bonneville Communications - http://www.bonneville.com/
Bonneville Interactive Services
Bonneville Satellite - http://www.bonnevillesatellite.com/
35 Radio Stations
1 Television Station (KSL)
Deseret Book - http://deseretbook.com/
Excel Entertainment - http://www.xelent.com/
Deseret Morning News - http://deseretnews.com/dn
Hawaii Reserves - http://www.hawaiireserves.com/
Polynesian Cultural Center (PCC) - http://www.polynesia.com/ and http://www.polynesia.co.jp/
La'ie Shopping Center
La'ie Park
La'ie Cemetary
Hukilau Beach Park
La'ie Water Company
La'ie Treatment Works (sewer)
Mstar.net - http://www.mstar.net/preportal/index.asp
Temple Square Hospitality - http://www.htsc.net/ and http://www.hoteltsc.com/
Weddings (JSMB and Lion House)
The Inn at Temple Square - http://www.diningattemplesquare.com/
Lion House Pantry - http://www.diningattemplesquare.com/
The Roof Restaurant - http://www.diningattemplesquare.com/
The Garden Restaurant - http://www.diningattemplesquare.com/
Passages Restaurant - http://www.diningattemplesquare.com/
Zions Securities Corporation - http://www.zsc.com/

Farm Management Corporation (commericial farms and agricultural properties)
Deseret Land and Livestock
200,000 acres of land in Rich, Morgan and Weber counties (Utah)
Sun Ranch (Martin's Cove)
Deseret Ranches of Florida (Orlando) (largest ranch in Florida)
Deseret Farms of California
Rolling Hills (Idaho)
West Hills Orchards (Elberta, Utah)
Cactus Lane Ranch (Arizona)
(more)

Corporation of the Presiding Bishop of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (CPB)
Corporation of the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints
Deseret Trust Company
LDS Family Services
Property Reserves Inc. (PRI)
Ensign Peak Advisors - http://www.imno.org/articles.asp?qid=123

Deseret Mutual Benefit Administrators (DMBA) - http://www.dmba.com/

Brigham Young University (BYU) - http://home.byu.edu/webapp/home/index.jsp
BYU - Idaho - http://www.byui.edu/
BYU - Hawaii - http://www.byuh.edu/index.jsp
LDS Business College - http://www.ldsbc.edu/

This list is far from complete, and was compiled after the shopping mall in Hawaii but before City Creek shopping mall and the other shopping mall in AZ. I wonder how Jesus would like his name used to make money while denying the poor of their rightful part of tithes (see Deut. 14:28-29 & teachings of Jesus).

How does Jesus like how the 'church' is using it's resources?

If you believe that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is guided by living prophets who pray to know the will of the Lord in how to run his church(including financial matters), then the logical assumption is that Jesus is fine with how his servants are allocating church funds.

I don’t believe they are prophets (where’s the desperately needed prophecy and leadership - especially for young men who are leaving the church in mass?). And although I appreciate good of the church and leaders, I don’t believe they do God’s will nor follow Christ in how they handle finances.

Almost 1,000,000,000 of our brothers and sisters are starving. Many die every day of related causes. The lower TITHING law in Deut. 14:28-29 states that tithing collectors are supposed to give 1/3 of TITHES. Jesus trusted us not needing to be commanded in all things but repeatedly asked to give much more to those in need - the higher law.

[Thinker]

Are people of other faiths blessed when they pay tithing?

People are blessed for giving.
Tithing is specific in many ways including who the commandment is given to and who it's paid to. Other faiths aren't commanded to pay tithing, at least that I can see anywhere.

Yeah, our church is unique in commanding tithing and following up with tithing settlements.
No other churches I know charge for celestial/temple worthiness.
No other churches I know refuse to allow parents, who don’t pay 10% to the church, to see their own child get married.

There may be a few other churches who also have changed scripture from tithing based on increase to tithing based on income.
There are other churches that exploit the idea of tithing, curses or blessings.

As far as where or to whom we give our tithes...God looks on the heart, but God also expects us to think and study things out, and to prioritize the greatest commandments above all the laws and prophets.

[shadow]

Are people of other faiths blessed when they pay tithing?

People are blessed for giving.
Tithing is specific in many ways including who the commandment is given to and who it's paid to. Other faiths aren't commanded to pay tithing, at least that I can see anywhere.

Several scriptures in the Bible refer to tithing and the promised blessings. Many faiths read and believe the Bible and try to follow its teachings. I don't see why those faithful people wouldn't be blessed for paying tithes to their respective churches. Why wouldn't they? According to their understanding and faith, just like ours, they will be blessed.

We are good friends with several of our neighbors who belong to different Christian denominations. They pay tithing - they call it tithing - their churches call it tithing - and they do consider themselves blessed for giving these funds to their churches, not unlike members of our own Church. Why would the Lord withhold the promised blessings (Malachi 3:10-11) from these good, faithful people who are trying to obey his commandment on tithing as given in the Bible?

Tithes, Tithing

See also Money; Offering

Abraham gave tithes of all he possessed to Melchizedek, Gen. 14:18–20 (Heb. 7:1–2, 9).

All the tithe is the Lord’s: it is holy unto the Lord, Lev. 27:30–34.

Thou shalt truly tithe all the increase, Deut. 14:22, 28.

The tithe of all things brought they in abundantly, 2 Chr. 31:5.

Will a man rob God? Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings, Mal. 3:8–11

I think God blesses a giver.

Do you agree that one can be a giver of 10% and still not be a tithe payer?
What makes tithing different than an offering?

Your broad interpretation means that you can give 10% to wherever you feel is right and call it a tithe. Scripturally, tithing is separate from offerings and tithing is paid to the person who has stewardship for it. There are peeps on this site who claim to be active LDS and full tithe payers but they don't pay the tithe to the one with the stewardship over it. If you pay your tax bill to a project of your choice you really didn't pay your taxes. Tithing is the same. If you don't pay it to God's representative then you didn't tithe. You're a giver, but not a tithe payer.
Abraham didn't pay tithing to just anyone. He paid it to Melchizedek. Melchizedek then disbursed the funds. Abraham wasn't called to decide what to do with tithing. His job, like ours, is to pay it to the proper person. If paid to someone other than Gods authorized representative it's just an offering and NOT a tithe.

[EmmaLee]

Are people of other faiths blessed when they pay tithing?

People are blessed for giving.
Tithing is specific in many ways including who the commandment is given to and who it's paid to. Other faiths aren't commanded to pay tithing, at least that I can see anywhere.

Several scriptures in the Bible refer to tithing and the promised blessings. Many faiths read and believe the Bible and try to follow its teachings. I don't see why those faithful people wouldn't be blessed for paying tithes to their respective churches. Why wouldn't they? According to their understanding and faith, just like ours, they will be blessed.

We are good friends with several of our neighbors who belong to different Christian denominations. They pay tithing - they call it tithing - their churches call it tithing - and they do consider themselves blessed for giving these funds to their churches, not unlike members of our own Church. Why would the Lord withhold the promised blessings (Malachi 3:10-11) from these good, faithful people who are trying to obey his commandment on tithing as given in the Bible?

Tithes, Tithing

See also Money; Offering

Abraham gave tithes of all he possessed to Melchizedek, Gen. 14:18–20 (Heb. 7:1–2, 9).

All the tithe is the Lord’s: it is holy unto the Lord, Lev. 27:30–34.

Thou shalt truly tithe all the increase, Deut. 14:22, 28.

The tithe of all things brought they in abundantly, 2 Chr. 31:5.

Will a man rob God? Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings, Mal. 3:8–11

I think God blesses a giver.

Do you agree that one can be a giver of 10% and still not be a tithe payer?
What makes tithing different than an offering?

Your broad interpretation means that you can give 10% to wherever you feel is right and call it a tithe. Scripturally, tithing is separate from offerings and tithing is paid to the person who has stewardship for it. There are peeps on this site who claim to be active LDS and full tithe payers but they don't pay the tithe to the one with the stewardship over it. If you pay your tax bill to a project of your choice you really didn't pay your taxes. Tithing is the same. If you don't pay it to God's representative then you didn't tithe. You're a giver, but not a tithe payer.
Abraham didn't pay tithing to just anyone. He paid it to Melchizedek. Melchizedek then disbursed the funds. Abraham wasn't called to decide what to do with tithing. His job, like ours, is to pay it to the proper person. If paid to someone other than Gods authorized representative it's just an offering and NOT a tithe.

Gee whiz, shadow; whatever you say. Stupid non-Mormon Christians - how dare they call what they're giving to their churches "tithing", just cause the Bible calls it that - and how dare God bless them for what they do according to their understanding and faith. If you need to change the scriptures and call what these good people give to their churches as not tithing, go right ahead. "They" believe they are paying "tithing", and it's up to God to figure out the rest. drtanner asked if those of other faiths who pay tithing receive blessings - I went with how he worded his question and gave my opinion - yes, of course they will receive blessings for paying what they perceive as "tithing". I'll go flog myself now for daring to think that God might actually bless someone who isn't a Utah Mormon.

[Thinker]

Good points, EmmaLee.
Consider the Widow giving the little “mite” that she had and to those religious leaders who were set on torturing and killing Jesus! Yet, Jesus saw her heart - that it was good.

[shadow]

People are blessed for giving.
Tithing is specific in many ways including who the commandment is given to and who it's paid to. Other faiths aren't commanded to pay tithing, at least that I can see anywhere.

Several scriptures in the Bible refer to tithing and the promised blessings. Many faiths read and believe the Bible and try to follow its teachings. I don't see why those faithful people wouldn't be blessed for paying tithes to their respective churches. Why wouldn't they? According to their understanding and faith, just like ours, they will be blessed.

We are good friends with several of our neighbors who belong to different Christian denominations. They pay tithing - they call it tithing - their churches call it tithing - and they do consider themselves blessed for giving these funds to their churches, not unlike members of our own Church. Why would the Lord withhold the promised blessings (Malachi 3:10-11) from these good, faithful people who are trying to obey his commandment on tithing as given in the Bible?

Tithes, Tithing

See also Money; Offering

Abraham gave tithes of all he possessed to Melchizedek, Gen. 14:18–20 (Heb. 7:1–2, 9).

All the tithe is the Lord’s: it is holy unto the Lord, Lev. 27:30–34.

Thou shalt truly tithe all the increase, Deut. 14:22, 28.

The tithe of all things brought they in abundantly, 2 Chr. 31:5.

Will a man rob God? Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings, Mal. 3:8–11

I think God blesses a giver.

Do you agree that one can be a giver of 10% and still not be a tithe payer?
What makes tithing different than an offering?

Your broad interpretation means that you can give 10% to wherever you feel is right and call it a tithe. Scripturally, tithing is separate from offerings and tithing is paid to the person who has stewardship for it. There are peeps on this site who claim to be active LDS and full tithe payers but they don't pay the tithe to the one with the stewardship over it. If you pay your tax bill to a project of your choice you really didn't pay your taxes. Tithing is the same. If you don't pay it to God's representative then you didn't tithe. You're a giver, but not a tithe payer.
Abraham didn't pay tithing to just anyone. He paid it to Melchizedek. Melchizedek then disbursed the funds. Abraham wasn't called to decide what to do with tithing. His job, like ours, is to pay it to the proper person. If paid to someone other than Gods authorized representative it's just an offering and NOT a tithe.

Gee whiz, shadow; whatever you say. Stupid non-Mormon Christians - how dare they call what they're giving to their churches "tithing", just cause the Bible calls it that - and how dare God bless them for what they do according to their understanding and faith. If you need to change the scriptures and call what these good people give to their churches as not tithing, go right ahead. "They" believe they are paying "tithing", and it's up to God to figure out the rest. drtanner asked if those of other faiths who pay tithing receive blessings - I went with how he worded his question and gave my opinion - yes, of course they will receive blessings for paying what they perceive as "tithing". I'll go flog myself now for daring to think that God might actually bless someone who isn't a Utah Mormon.

My answer to the question of people of other faiths being blessed for paying tithing was that they are blessed for giving (maybe you missed that??) but they aren't tithe payers. They can call it what they want, stupid or not, but it isn't tithing.
Maybe you also believe their baptisms are valid??
Aren't you also one who claims Snufferism is false?? Geez, how dare you claim that someone who is following their own belief system is apostate.

[Hie'ing to Kolob]

Are people of other faiths blessed when they pay tithing?

Are people of no faith blessed when they don't pay tithing?

Of course they are! Rain falls on the just and the unjust.

[EmmaLee]

Several scriptures in the Bible refer to tithing and the promised blessings. Many faiths read and believe the Bible and try to follow its teachings. I don't see why those faithful people wouldn't be blessed for paying tithes to their respective churches. Why wouldn't they? According to their understanding and faith, just like ours, they will be blessed.

We are good friends with several of our neighbors who belong to different Christian denominations. They pay tithing - they call it tithing - their churches call it tithing - and they do consider themselves blessed for giving these funds to their churches, not unlike members of our own Church. Why would the Lord withhold the promised blessings (Malachi 3:10-11) from these good, faithful people who are trying to obey his commandment on tithing as given in the Bible?

Tithes, Tithing

See also Money; Offering

Abraham gave tithes of all he possessed to Melchizedek, Gen. 14:18–20 (Heb. 7:1–2, 9).

All the tithe is the Lord’s: it is holy unto the Lord, Lev. 27:30–34.

Thou shalt truly tithe all the increase, Deut. 14:22, 28.

The tithe of all things brought they in abundantly, 2 Chr. 31:5.

Will a man rob God? Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings, Mal. 3:8–11

I think God blesses a giver.

Do you agree that one can be a giver of 10% and still not be a tithe payer?
What makes tithing different than an offering?

Your broad interpretation means that you can give 10% to wherever you feel is right and call it a tithe. Scripturally, tithing is separate from offerings and tithing is paid to the person who has stewardship for it. There are peeps on this site who claim to be active LDS and full tithe payers but they don't pay the tithe to the one with the stewardship over it. If you pay your tax bill to a project of your choice you really didn't pay your taxes. Tithing is the same. If you don't pay it to God's representative then you didn't tithe. You're a giver, but not a tithe payer.
Abraham didn't pay tithing to just anyone. He paid it to Melchizedek. Melchizedek then disbursed the funds. Abraham wasn't called to decide what to do with tithing. His job, like ours, is to pay it to the proper person. If paid to someone other than Gods authorized representative it's just an offering and NOT a tithe.

Gee whiz, shadow; whatever you say. Stupid non-Mormon Christians - how dare they call what they're giving to their churches "tithing", just cause the Bible calls it that - and how dare God bless them for what they do according to their understanding and faith. If you need to change the scriptures and call what these good people give to their churches as not tithing, go right ahead. "They" believe they are paying "tithing", and it's up to God to figure out the rest. drtanner asked if those of other faiths who pay tithing receive blessings - I went with how he worded his question and gave my opinion - yes, of course they will receive blessings for paying what they perceive as "tithing". I'll go flog myself now for daring to think that God might actually bless someone who isn't a Utah Mormon.

My answer to the question of people of other faiths being blessed for paying tithing was that they are blessed for giving (maybe you missed that??) but they aren't tithe payers. They can call it what they want, stupid or not, but it isn't tithing.

drtanner used the word "tithing" in his question about other faiths - so I was following his lead on the "word", since I was answering his question. Let's hope God isn't quite so pedantic as some posters on LDSFF.

Maybe you also believe their baptisms are valid??

I believe the faithful and good hearted people of other churches will need to be baptized by priesthood authority one day - same as what our church teaches.

Aren't you also one who claims Snufferism is false?? Geez, how dare you claim that someone who is following their own belief system is apostate.

Some other faiths use the word "tithing" (taken from the Bible) for what they pay to their churches, and THEY consider it as such - that is a fact; look it up if you don't believe me. If what they pay as "tithing" isn't considered the same as what we (because we're so special, aren't we?) pay as "tithing", that's not my call (nor is it yours) - that's up to God. Yes, I believe God blesses them for their unselfish giving, even if they use the word "tithing" (which I guess is just a Mormon word now, even though it comes from the Bible, which billions believe in?) - my opinion, which you are free to argue with all you like, but I'm sticking with it and I'd be shocked if President Nelson or God himself have a different opinion.

Snuffer - knows better; was endowed; made covenants with God; held God's priesthood - continues to harm = apostate.
People of other churches who believe they are faithfully (according to their understanding of the Bible) paying tithing - polar opposite of Snuffer in every way (but then, you knew that) = not apostate (simple, really).

[shadow]

My comments in black.

drtanner used the word "tithing" in his question about other faiths - so I was following his lead on the "word", since I was answering his question. Let's hope God isn't quite so pedantic as some posters on LDSFF.

Unless one is a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, they have no commandment to pay tithing. Tho they call it tithing it isn't, but it is a charitable offering which ain't half bad.



I believe the faithful and good hearted people of other churches will need to be baptized by priesthood authority one day - same as what our church teaches.
So even tho they think their baptism is valid, you say it isn't, and they have to still get baptized? What was that statement you made?? Oh yeah- "Let's hope God isn't quite so pedantic as some posters on LDSFF" Interesting.



Some other faiths use the word "tithing" (taken from the Bible) for what they pay to their churches, and THEY consider it as such - that is a fact; look it up if you don't believe me. I absolutely believe you. If what they pay as "tithing" isn't considered the same as what we (because we're so special, aren't we? (Have you not read the D&C much??) pay as "tithing", that's not my call (nor is it yours) - that's up to God. Yep, it's up to God and He already spoke on the subject. He even told us what tithing is for and no other church has the instructions other than the LDS church. He even has a council for the disposition of tithes. No other church does. Do you have a reference where God commanded other church's to pay tithing?? Yes, I believe God blesses them for their unselfish giving, even if they use the word "tithing" (which I guess is just a Mormon word now, even though it comes from the Bible, which billions believe in?) - my opinion, which you are free to argue with all you like, but I'm sticking with it and I'd be shocked if President Nelson or God himself have a different opinion. Actually, Prophets have already spoken about what tithing is and isn't. Your opinion is contrary to theirs.

Snuffer - knows better; was endowed; made covenants with God; held God's priesthood - continues to harm = apostate.
People of other churches who believe they are faithfully (according to their understanding of the Bible) paying tithing - polar opposite of Snuffer in every way (but then, you knew that) = not apostate (simple, really). Not really because those who follow Snuffer are also doing the best they can, same as your neighbors who are also apostate while giving 10% offerings to their respective apostate church. It really brings to life the scripture that says 30 He that is not with me is against me doesn't it?

[Craig Johnson]

Just wondering if we are a church masquerading as a corporation or a corporation masquerading as a church? So you have no concern whatsoever if a $30 billion+ corporation exhibits no financial transparency to the very members who are expected to give 10% of their income to it who are then asked to give an accounting of those donations during tithing settlement at the end of the year? Matthew 6:24 my friend. And D&C 26.
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Who is "we"? Matthew 6:24 (?), that is like saying, "Yeah man, the Apostle Peter, man, he like killed those people, he serves mammon, man." And D&C 26(?), do you actually think the Lord needs YOU to vote on every expenditure?
I think there is a masquerade going on here, it is being done by you and your choir.

[Craig Johnson]

The only way I would not pay my tithes is if I had nothing and technically I would still be paying my tithes.

[EmmaLee]

My comments in black.

drtanner used the word "tithing" in his question about other faiths - so I was following his lead on the "word", since I was answering his question. Let's hope God isn't quite so pedantic as some posters on LDSFF.

Unless one is a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, they have no commandment to pay tithing. Tho they call it tithing it isn't, but it is a charitable offering which ain't half bad.

I believe the faithful and good hearted people of other churches will need to be baptized by priesthood authority one day - same as what our church teaches.
So even tho they think their baptism is valid, you say it isn't, and they have to still get baptized? What was that statement you made?? Oh yeah- "Let's hope God isn't quite so pedantic as some posters on LDSFF" Interesting.

Some other faiths use the word "tithing" (taken from the Bible) for what they pay to their churches, and THEY consider it as such - that is a fact; look it up if you don't believe me. I absolutely believe you. If what they pay as "tithing" isn't considered the same as what we (because we're so special, aren't we? (Have you not read the D&C much??) pay as "tithing", that's not my call (nor is it yours) - that's up to God. Yep, it's up to God and He already spoke on the subject. He even told us what tithing is for and no other church has the instructions other than the LDS church. He even has a council for the disposition of tithes. No other church does. Do you have a reference where God commanded other church's to pay tithing?? Yes, I believe God blesses them for their unselfish giving, even if they use the word "tithing" (which I guess is just a Mormon word now, even though it comes from the Bible, which billions believe in?) - my opinion, which you are free to argue with all you like, but I'm sticking with it and I'd be shocked if President Nelson or God himself have a different opinion. Actually, Prophets have already spoken about what tithing is and isn't. Your opinion is contrary to theirs.

Snuffer - knows better; was endowed; made covenants with God; held God's priesthood - continues to harm = apostate.
People of other churches who believe they are faithfully (according to their understanding of the Bible) paying tithing - polar opposite of Snuffer in every way (but then, you knew that) = not apostate (simple, really). Not really because those who follow Snuffer are also doing the best they can, same as your neighbors who are also apostate while giving 10% offerings to their respective apostate church. It really brings to life the scripture that says 30 He that is not with me is against me doesn't it?

Honestly don't know whether to or . Or maybe it's just a really sad case of intentionally not understanding what I'm trying to say - or maybe I don't word things well. At any rate, I had a wonderful dream about my grandson last night, which of course I won't share here - it will cause much pondering in my heart... Now my husband is making us delicious omelets for breakfast; he's a great cook! Then we'll head outside to mow our property and tend to the flower beds. I love working beside my husband in the garden. After that, clean up and get coiffed, then we're off to two different graduation open houses of a couple of fine young men - sons of friends of ours. Then home to change - and out to dinner with another couple. After dinner, the four of us will attend the wedding reception of the daughter of our stake president. Should be a fun, enjoyable day with loved ones! You should go have a fun, enjoyable day with loved ones, too, shadow.

[shadow]

Honestly don't know whether to or . Or maybe it's just a really sad case of intentionally not understanding what I'm trying to say - or maybe I don't word things well. At any rate, I had a wonderful dream about my grandson last night, which of course I won't share here - it will cause much pondering in my heart... Now my husband is making us delicious omelets for breakfast; he's a great cook! Then we'll head outside to mow our property and tend to the flower beds. I love working beside my husband in the garden. After that, clean up and get coiffed, then we're off to two different graduation open houses of a couple of fine young men - sons of friends of ours. Then home to change - and out to dinner with another couple. After dinner, the four of us will attend the wedding reception of the daughter of our stake president. Should be a fun, enjoyable day with loved ones! You should go have a fun, enjoyable day with loved ones, too, shadow.

Maybe we're not understanding each other. I've never been in a disagreement with you and was a bit surprised you posed a challenge regarding tithing. Tithing isn't a simple commandment to give a tenth to whatever you feel is right or to any church you want. It's not black and white like other commandments such as not stealing. It's similar to baptism. There are specific blessings that only come from baptism. But one doesn't just get some dude off the street or some religious officer from any church to perform the baptism. To make it effective, meaning to realize the blessings, one has to be baptized properly. Tithing isn't much different. A person paying 10% to his church will probably be blessed for giving, but unless it's paid to the correct steward it's not a tithe, it's an offering. And there is a HUGE difference between a tithe and an offering. They are not the same and pretending they are won't change that fact.

As to the other portion of your post- I don't spend my time worrying about this. It sounds like you had a great day. I did too! I got up early Saturday morning and took my 3 boys to one of their soccer tournaments an hour away. On the way I just missed an airplane landing on the freeway https://www.ksl.com/?sid=46328150&nid=148. We made it to the game and my son's team handily won. Then we drove an hour back home so I could get some work done around the house. My daughter had a basketball tourney at Weber State so my wife was with her. I dropped off my 2 youngest boys at my moms house for the rest of the day and drove my son back to the soccer tournament for his 2nd game. I didn't get to watch the game because I had to get back home but I arranged a ride for my son. They won that game too which means I'll be back down Monday for the championship game. Honestly I was hoping they'd lose a game. Anyway, I drove an hour back home so I could change and get my daughter off to her first school dance. Unfortunately she's 16 and can date. Then my wife and I drove down to Salt Lake (90 minutes away) for a Celtic Woman concert. We ate at PF Changs (chinese) and then off to the concert. It was amazing! We had awesome seats. I love their version of Amazing Grace https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZ6pNioV10g
We made it back home just before my daughter did. My Mom had already brought the boys home and they were all sleeping on my bed. They'd been watching CHiPs re-runs. So yep, other than 7 hours of driving, it was a great day!

[EmmaLee]

Maybe we're not understanding each other. I've never been in a disagreement with you and was a bit surprised you posed a challenge regarding tithing. Tithing isn't a simple commandment to give a tenth to whatever you feel is right or to any church you want. It's not black and white like other commandments such as not stealing. It's similar to baptism. There are specific blessings that only come from baptism. But one doesn't just get some dude off the street or some religious officer from any church to perform the baptism. To make it effective, meaning to realize the blessings, one has to be baptized properly. Tithing isn't much different. A person paying 10% to his church will probably be blessed for giving, but unless it's paid to the correct steward it's not a tithe, it's an offering. And there is a HUGE difference between a tithe and an offering. They are not the same and pretending they are won't change that fact.

I agree that we are not understanding each other, shadow; and it's likely my fault for not explaining my thoughts more clearly. We are not in disagreement on the subject of tithing, I didn't pose a challenge about it, and I'm not pretending anything. It's hard to have an adequate conversation via typed word only - pitfalls aplenty. I understand tithing and I pay tithing as described by the LDS Church, to the LDS Church. This all started because I was attempting (in my poor way, apparently) to answer drtanner's question. His question was, quote - "Are people of other faiths blessed when they pay tithing?" As I said before, I went with his wording when attempting to answer his question - so maybe your disagreement is with drtanner, as you have stated that people of other faiths do not pay tithing, so therefore, they cannot be blessed for it. I don't have anything else to say on the subject, but feel free to correct drtanner's mistaken belief. Thanks.

[The Airbender]

So what is the point of these posts? That the First Presidency and 12 Apostles are corrupt? Give me a break already! I have infinitely more faith that those men are led by the Lord concerning the affairs of his Kingdom than I do in some faithless Monday Morning Quarterbacks. And if they are wrong in some things they can take it up with the Lord. My job is to pay my tithing and fast offering and beyond that I really don't care...it isn't my stewardship.

Well I, at least, am mostly referring to the underleaders of the church. Not the top 15 men of the church, but those who actually deal in the day-to-day financial affairs. There is a huge level of corruption in the church and if you deny that you deny the scriptures and words of the top 15 men.

[jsk]

What in the world are you talking about???

[Thinker]

So what is the point of these posts? That the First Presidency and 12 Apostles are corrupt? Give me a break already! I have infinitely more faith that those men are led by the Lord concerning the affairs of his Kingdom than I do in some faithless Monday Morning Quarterbacks. And if they are wrong in some things they can take it up with the Lord. My job is to pay my tithing and fast offering and beyond that I really don't care...it isn't my stewardship.

Well I, at least, am mostly referring to the underleaders of the church. Not the top 15 men of the church, but those who actually deal in the day-to-day financial affairs. There is a huge level of corruption in the church and if you deny that you deny the scriptures and words of the top 15 men.

I love the good things the leaders say and do. Still as mentioned, some things are undeniable... like the lack of financial transparency. God is not about hiding money dealings, nor is Christ. In fact, the one time Jesus expressed violent anger was in whipping people out of the temple because they were misusing it to make money. We are asked to be honest and open in our dealings with men - it is realistic to expect the same of those we’re asked to follow.

Let’s imagine the church leaders were fallible human beings like other church leaders. Imagine you joined a different church and the preacher came up to you saying this: “To be considered worthy and to be able to attend your family’s weddings, you need to give me 10% of your income - based on gross if you want the full blessings. I know scriptures say tithing is supposed to be on increase, but it’s now on income - so even if you have no increase, you still pay. Don’t worry, your family not having food is worth the blessings afterlife. You will report annually to see how well you’ve paid, but I don’t have to show you anything. Never mind that I live a rich lifestyle and am helping build a corporate empire. Don’t pay attention to Deut. 14:28-29 about my duty to share TITHES with the poor (I hid that from you) or Jesus teachings in prioritizing the poor- I now declare that tithing no longer is for the poor but for what I want. Just bow your head to me and pay so God will bless you and so you don’t burn in hell. This is spiritual fire insurance - you must obey! Your eternal salvation is at stake!”

Even if a preacher asked for $5, most members would be skeptical. Yet they blindly obey other fallible human beings because they trust in them as if THEY were God. They blindly trust men even above Christ who warned not to worship or hold anyone up as God, except God.

I keep hearing, “I pay money to the church and if they mishandle it, that’s not my problem. I did my part.” But if I KNOW they are mishandling it by keeping finances dark and secret and denying the poor TITHES, then it is on me. Then, I would be prioritizing blind obedience to men for social honor, over the greatest commandments, “which hang all the law and the prophets.”

I don’t mean to give guilt trips. For most of my life, I prioritized men and appearing as a “member in good standing” over studying and praying to know what is of God and following that. I didn’t know better. Live and learn.

[Finrock]

Disclaimer: I'm saying the following to make a point, not to make any accusations about any institution, organization, etc.

If you know that an organization that you are contributing money to is mismanaging the funds and if you continue to contribute you will be partially responsible for that mismanagement.

Or worse, if you know that an organization is using funds for immoral activities and if you continue to contribute, you will be partially responsible for the advancement of these immoral activities.

If you suspect that an organization is using money incorrectly then you do have a moral obligation to make sure that things are "kosher".

My point is that we are responsible for the money or the resources that we contribute and whether that money is being used in a good or in an evil way. We can't just give and then not worry about it or act like it isn't our problem what is done with the money. It is our problem and we are responsible for making sure that we aren't contributing to the advancement of wickedness.

-Finrock