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Unless the celebrities are apostles. Then its OK to be awestruck, to be giddy, and to hyperventilate. Didn't you get the memo?CelestialAngel wrote: ↑May 14th, 2018, 3:21 pm With the Plan of Salvation we have the ability to become gods and joint heirs with Jesus Christ and possess all that Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ have. So why should we hyperventilate around movie stars or athletes?
I ran into Donovan Mitchell a few weeks agoCelestialAngel wrote: ↑May 14th, 2018, 3:21 pm With the Plan of Salvation we have the ability to become gods and joint heirs with Jesus Christ and possess all that Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ have. So why should we hyperventilate around movie stars or athletes?
He didn't hyperventilate nor did he ask me for my autograph.My post was tongue-in-cheek.CelestialAngel wrote: ↑May 14th, 2018, 3:53 pmEven them. They are just imperfect mortals trying to live each day 1 at a time. Don't make apostles graven idols when Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ are the only ones we should worship. Know where your allegiance really lies in case an apostle ever falls like Paul H Dunn. We are starting to see Mission Presidents and Stake Presidents fall and be seen as sexual abusers. Again, know who to invest in so you won't be let down eventually.Finrock wrote: ↑May 14th, 2018, 3:49 pmUnless the celebrities are apostles. Then its OK to be awestruck, to be giddy, and to hyperventilate. Didn't you get the memo?CelestialAngel wrote: ↑May 14th, 2018, 3:21 pm With the Plan of Salvation we have the ability to become gods and joint heirs with Jesus Christ and possess all that Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ have. So why should we hyperventilate around movie stars or athletes?
-Finrock
I would be excited to have a really deep lesson taught.
People get excited over the unusual. People also get excited over wealth, status, and accomplishment. A chat with a celebrity is unusual and celebrities generally have wealth and status that accompany accomplishment in their field of endeavor.CelestialAngel wrote: ↑May 14th, 2018, 3:21 pm With the Plan of Salvation we have the ability to become gods and joint heirs with Jesus Christ and possess all that Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ have. So why should we hyperventilate around movie stars or athletes?
I most certainly would! I have never knowingly seen an angel, resurrected or in spirit form. But it's not Elijah that I would be excited over; it's a heavenly messenger that would excite me.
Gunny Emery passed away, btw, a couple of weeks ago.Jamescm wrote: ↑May 15th, 2018, 8:41 am "People get excited over the unusual."
This sums it up. I agree with CelestialAngel's assertion, but the fact is that meeting distinguished people is novel and amusing. We are all gods in embryo, but we really don't live up to it-celebrities are amusing here and now.
And who knows, maybe after spending a few hours to get my picture taken with Gunny Emery, he'll approach me in the next life and vulgarly chew me out for ten minutes for not giving him the Gospel, then sit and listen to it all.
Whenever the subject of the celebrity status of the General Authorities comes up, I always think about Jehovah's Witnesses. Their church is similar to ours in several aspects, but not this one. The members of their Governing Body are not household names, and they do not court fame and influence the way our leaders do. I'm not saying they're going about it the right way and we aren't (or vice versa), only that the adulation we tend to heap on our leaders is not inevitable. They could discourage it if they wanted.Finrock wrote: ↑May 14th, 2018, 3:49 pmUnless the celebrities are apostles. Then its OK to be awestruck, to be giddy, and to hyperventilate. Didn't you get the memo?CelestialAngel wrote: ↑May 14th, 2018, 3:21 pm With the Plan of Salvation we have the ability to become gods and joint heirs with Jesus Christ and possess all that Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ have. So why should we hyperventilate around movie stars or athletes?
-Finrock
Robin Hood, you of all people, should understand that your father being honoured by HM Queen Elizabeth II for his service to his community and his country is intended to speak to the gratitude of the United Kingdom of which she, the Queen, is the embodiment of as head of state. Your father is to be commended for his good works and for the contributions he has made to his community.Robin Hood wrote: ↑May 14th, 2018, 4:24 pm I wouldn't cross the street to see any celebrity. I just can't be bothered with them.
Tomorrow my parents are at Buckingham Palace. They have been invited by the Queen to attend her garden party because of my father's voluntary work as a Parish councillor and local school governor over the past 25 years.
It's nice for them to meet the Queen etc, but I can honestly say that if it had been me I wouldn't have accepted the invitation.
I have no time for any kind of so-called celebrities, and that also includes the Mormon kind.
HAHA well that is a given, but it does get me thinking about why certain people are awestruck by authority figures or celebrities. Let's assume we lived in there time period and they showed up. I wonder how many would take for granted what they had experienced and what they were there to teach. Would it be wrong to be awestruck by them? I also think that there is a difference between being awestruck and worshiping and many probably have different definitions of what it means to be awestruck.
drtanner,drtanner wrote: ↑May 15th, 2018, 12:03 pmHAHA well that is a given, but it does get me thinking about why certain people are awestruck by authority figures or celebrities. Let's assume we lived in there time period and they showed up. I wonder how many would take for granted what they had experienced and what they were there to teach. Would it be wrong to be awestruck by them? I also think that there is a difference between being awestruck and worshiping and many probably have different definitions of what it means to be awestruck.
Finrock wrote: ↑May 15th, 2018, 1:49 pmdrtanner,drtanner wrote: ↑May 15th, 2018, 12:03 pmHAHA well that is a given, but it does get me thinking about why certain people are awestruck by authority figures or celebrities. Let's assume we lived in there time period and they showed up. I wonder how many would take for granted what they had experienced and what they were there to teach. Would it be wrong to be awestruck by them? I also think that there is a difference between being awestruck and worshiping and many probably have different definitions of what it means to be awestruck.
Let me see if I can say this in a way that makes sense. I appreciate anyone who is speaking by the power of the Holy Ghost. I appreciate anyone's efforts, works, and contributions towards the good. I try not to take anyone for granted.
In the end these men are just men. They are men who we have a record of that describes their experiences with God. If these men are good men its because they decided to listen to God and to obey Him. In return, God made them good and God performed great things through them. As agents of the Good we celebrate all the good and all the works that God has performed, but, we don't look at the man as anything more than just a man. We recognize and remember our own nothingness and the nothingness of man and we acknowledge the good and the greatness of God. All who listen and who obey can have the same experiences, can enjoy the same standing with God, and can obtain the same blessings. One day experiences that these men have experienced will be common and it won't make any sense to esteem one person above another person.
-Finrock
Can you imagine if someone said this about one of the current apostles, I can hear the comments now. However I tend to agree with how how others in the scriptures view righteous men. It has nothing to do with esteeming one person above another. The miracle is that these men (or any righteous man) recognized there nothingness and others were awestruck in there ability to do that and come to know Christ as a result. Its ok to talk highly of others who do this, lets not get this confused with something it isn't.11 And Moroni was a strong and a mighty man; he was a man of a perfect understanding; yea, a man that did not delight in bloodshed; a man whose soul did joy in the liberty and the freedom of his country, and his brethren from bondage and slavery;
12 Yea, a man whose heart did swell with thanksgiving to his God, for the many privileges and blessings which he bestowed upon his people; a man who did labor exceedingly for the welfare and safety of his people.
17 Yea, verily, verily I say unto you, if all men had been, and were, and ever would be, like unto Moroni, behold, the very powers of hell would have been shaken forever; yea, the devil would never have power over the hearts of the children of men.
What you are saying here might not have anything to do with esteeming one person above another, but the way the apostles are treated by members of the Church has everything to do with esteeming one flesh above another. The apostles get treated special. They are venerated, and look upon with adoration. They are fawned over, people have emotional outburst on account of them. People make up attributes or give them credit for doing things that they haven't done, just because they have the title "apostle". Further, when our modern day apostles start matching the works and the greatness found in the scriptures, well, then come back and lets talk (raising the dead, splitting the Red Sea, restoring limbs, causing prisons to break, withstanding a fiery furnace, etc.).drtanner wrote: ↑May 15th, 2018, 2:05 pmFinrock wrote: ↑May 15th, 2018, 1:49 pmdrtanner,drtanner wrote: ↑May 15th, 2018, 12:03 pmHAHA well that is a given, but it does get me thinking about why certain people are awestruck by authority figures or celebrities. Let's assume we lived in there time period and they showed up. I wonder how many would take for granted what they had experienced and what they were there to teach. Would it be wrong to be awestruck by them? I also think that there is a difference between being awestruck and worshiping and many probably have different definitions of what it means to be awestruck.
Let me see if I can say this in a way that makes sense. I appreciate anyone who is speaking by the power of the Holy Ghost. I appreciate anyone's efforts, works, and contributions towards the good. I try not to take anyone for granted.
In the end these men are just men. They are men who we have a record of that describes their experiences with God. If these men are good men its because they decided to listen to God and to obey Him. In return, God made them good and God performed great things through them. As agents of the Good we celebrate all the good and all the works that God has performed, but, we don't look at the man as anything more than just a man. We recognize and remember our own nothingness and the nothingness of man and we acknowledge the good and the greatness of God. All who listen and who obey can have the same experiences, can enjoy the same standing with God, and can obtain the same blessings. One day experiences that these men have experienced will be common and it won't make any sense to esteem one person above another person.
-FinrockCan you imagine if someone said this about one of the current apostles, I can hear the comments now. However I tend to agree with how how others in the scriptures view righteous men. It has nothing to do with esteeming one person above another. The miracle is that these men (or any righteous man) recognized there nothingness and others were awestruck in there ability to do that and come to know Christ as a result. Its ok to talk highly of others who do this, lets not get this confused with something it isn't.11 And Moroni was a strong and a mighty man; he was a man of a perfect understanding; yea, a man that did not delight in bloodshed; a man whose soul did joy in the liberty and the freedom of his country, and his brethren from bondage and slavery;
12 Yea, a man whose heart did swell with thanksgiving to his God, for the many privileges and blessings which he bestowed upon his people; a man who did labor exceedingly for the welfare and safety of his people.
17 Yea, verily, verily I say unto you, if all men had been, and were, and ever would be, like unto Moroni, behold, the very powers of hell would have been shaken forever; yea, the devil would never have power over the hearts of the children of men.
Your post itself isn't whats uncivil; rather its the heated argument that has arisen as a result of similar statements (plus their counter arguments) made by members of LDSFF in the past.
Its a joke...CelestialAngel wrote: ↑May 15th, 2018, 4:25 pm That Jeffrey Holland meme above shows how Mormons worship the Bretheren and I'm worried 1 might eventually fall in the Last Days like Judas and it would create a firestorm throughout the church after how high we esteem them today. Just be careful because you never know who might let you down in the future. Just be careful with whom you put your faith in. Thats all Im saying.
The same way that they believe the Chuck Norris jokes they are based on.CelestialAngel wrote: ↑May 15th, 2018, 5:51 pmYa but a lot of LDS believe it.eddie wrote: ↑May 15th, 2018, 5:21 pmIts a joke...CelestialAngel wrote: ↑May 15th, 2018, 4:25 pm That Jeffrey Holland meme above shows how Mormons worship the Bretheren and I'm worried 1 might eventually fall in the Last Days like Judas and it would create a firestorm throughout the church after how high we esteem them today. Just be careful because you never know who might let you down in the future. Just be careful with whom you put your faith in. Thats all Im saying.