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Major Renovation Announced for Mesa, Arizona Temple

Posted: May 10th, 2018, 9:38 pm
by Col. Flagg
Looks like the news of this has finally been made public, but the information in this article just scratches the surface - the full scope of the plans are not even remotely addressed in this release as this will easily be a $1-$2 billion project that also includes big money interests...

https://www.mormonnewsroom.org/article/ ... t=c3PrUN3T
Detailed plans of major renovations for the historic Mesa Arizona Temple of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints were released Thursday, May 10, 2018, days before the religious building is scheduled to close for a two-year renovation.

The 75,000-square-foot temple will undergo extensive work, including site improvements, exterior maintenance, interior finishes, and building system maintenance for HVAC systems. The temple grounds will also be renovated and enhanced. The public will be invited to tour the temple before it reopens, which is expected to be in 2020.

“Systems wear out, even in temples,” said Brent Roberts, the Church’s managing director of Special Projects. “We’ll have the opportunity to stabilize the building systems and, at the same time, refresh the building itself.”

As part of the renovation, the visitors’ center will be demolished, and a new center will be rebuilt across the street on the southwest corner of Lesueur and Main Street. It will be home to various interactive exhibits and events, historical information about the temple, and family history research and teaching facilities.

This is the second renovation for the 91-year-old temple. It was rededicated in 1975 by President Spencer W. Kimball following refurbishment. It was originally dedicated by President Heber J. Grant in 1927. It is one of six Latter-day Saint temples in the state of Arizona.

In addition to its longevity, the Mesa Arizona Temple is unique because it was the first Latter-day Saint temple that implemented Spanish services, which benefited Latter-day Saints outside the United States.

“It was at this temple in 1945 that temple [rites] were first completed in a language other than English,” said Emily Utt, historic sites curator for the Church History Department. “Temple workers learned Spanish.”

Roc Arnett, the Church’s local director of public affairs, added, “This temple has served the community, but it has also served many across South America and into Central America.”

The renovation will seek to improve the building and experience for temple patrons while also maintaining the historic feel and character of the original design. Special care will be taken to protect the historic murals throughout the temple, and new murals will be added in some locations to complement the originals.

Additionally, roofing and drainage systems will be replaced, and new windows will be installed to provide better temperature control and conserve energy. Improvements will also be made to make the temple more accessible to people with disabilities.

The temple grounds will also undergo major changes to make them more consistent with the character of the landscape design immediately around the temple. The visitors’ center and the water feature on the temple’s north side will be replaced with a new reflection pool and side gardens, opening a more generous view toward Main Street. The reflection pool at the temple entrance will be repaired and remain in its current location. Workers will make efforts to preserve the existing shade trees while adding new garden areas.

The temple site will also be improved to better accommodate the annual Easter pageant — a tradition in the community since 1928 — and make the area more accessible and enjoyable with new paths and walkways.

Latter-day Saint temples are considered houses of God, where faithful Mormons participate in sacred ceremonies such as marriage and the uniting of families for eternity. Temples differ from meetinghouses or chapels, where all are welcome to meet for Sunday worship services and other activities.

Re: Major Renovation Announced for Mesa, Arizona Temple

Posted: May 10th, 2018, 9:47 pm
by Durzan
sounds like it definitely needs the renovation.

Re: Major Renovation Announced for Mesa, Arizona Temple

Posted: May 10th, 2018, 9:53 pm
by DesertWonderer2
Fantastic! The kingdom rolls forth.

Re: Major Renovation Announced for Mesa, Arizona Temple

Posted: May 10th, 2018, 10:15 pm
by Rose Garden
Mesa temple is one of my favorite. I find it incredibly beautiful, even more than some other more traditionally designed temples. I hope they don't change the look of the building at all. It sounds like they aren't.

Re: Major Renovation Announced for Mesa, Arizona Temple

Posted: May 10th, 2018, 10:30 pm
by Col. Flagg
Mormon 8:

28 Yea, it shall come in a day when the power of God shall be denied, and churches become defiled and be lifted up in the pride of their hearts; yea, even in a day when leaders of churches and teachers shall rise in the pride of their hearts, even to the envying of them who belong to their churches.

33 O ye wicked and perverse and stiffnecked people, why have ye built up churches unto yourselves to get gain? Why have ye transfigured the holy word of God, that ye might bring damnation upon your souls? Behold, look ye unto the revelations of God; for behold, the time cometh at that day when all these things must be fulfilled.

34 Behold, the Lord hath shown unto me great and marvelous things concerning that which must shortly come, at that day when these things shall come forth among you.

35 Behold, I speak unto you as if ye were present, and yet ye are not. But behold, Jesus Christ hath shown you unto me, and I know your doing.

36 And I know that ye do walk in the pride of your hearts; and there are none save a few only who do not lift themselves up in the pride of their hearts, unto the wearing of very fine apparel, unto envying, and strifes, and malice, and persecutions, and all manner of iniquities; and your churches, yea, even every one, have become polluted because of the pride of your hearts.

37 For behold, ye do love money, and your substance, and your fine apparel, and the adorning of your churches, more than ye love the poor and the needy, the sick and the afflicted.

38 O ye pollutions, ye hypocrites, ye teachers, who sell yourselves for that which will canker, why have ye polluted the holy church of God? Why are ye ashamed to take upon you the name of Christ? Why do ye not think that greater is the value of an endless happiness than that misery which never dies—because of the praise of the world?

39 Why do ye adorn yourselves with that which hath no life, and yet suffer the hungry, and the needy, and the naked, and the sick and the afflicted to pass by you, and notice them not?

40 Yea, why do ye build up your secret abominations to get gain, and cause that widows should mourn before the Lord, and also orphans to mourn before the Lord, and also the blood of their fathers and their husbands to cry unto the Lord from the ground, for vengeance upon your heads?

41 Behold, the sword of vengeance hangeth over you; and the time soon cometh that he avengeth the blood of the saints upon you, for he will not suffer their cries any longer.

Matthew 6:24:

No one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and mammon (money).

2 Nephi 28:

11 Yea, they have all gone out of the way; they have become corrupted.

12 Because of pride, and because of false teachers, and false doctrine, their churches have become corrupted, and their churches are lifted up; because of pride they are puffed up.

13 They rob the poor because of their fine sanctuaries; they rob the poor because of their fine clothing; and they persecute the meek and the poor in heart, because in their pride they are puffed up.

14 They wear stiff necks and high heads; yea, and because of pride, and wickedness, and abominations, and whoredoms, they have all gone astray save it be a few, who are the humble followers of Christ; nevertheless, they are led, that in many instances they do err because they are taught by the precepts of men.

Re: Major Renovation Announced for Mesa, Arizona Temple

Posted: May 11th, 2018, 8:25 am
by Mark
Col. Flagg wrote: May 10th, 2018, 10:30 pm Mormon 8:

28 Yea, it shall come in a day when the power of God shall be denied, and churches become defiled and be lifted up in the pride of their hearts; yea, even in a day when leaders of churches and teachers shall rise in the pride of their hearts, even to the envying of them who belong to their churches.

33 O ye wicked and perverse and stiffnecked people, why have ye built up churches unto yourselves to get gain? Why have ye transfigured the holy word of God, that ye might bring damnation upon your souls? Behold, look ye unto the revelations of God; for behold, the time cometh at that day when all these things must be fulfilled.

34 Behold, the Lord hath shown unto me great and marvelous things concerning that which must shortly come, at that day when these things shall come forth among you.

35 Behold, I speak unto you as if ye were present, and yet ye are not. But behold, Jesus Christ hath shown you unto me, and I know your doing.

36 And I know that ye do walk in the pride of your hearts; and there are none save a few only who do not lift themselves up in the pride of their hearts, unto the wearing of very fine apparel, unto envying, and strifes, and malice, and persecutions, and all manner of iniquities; and your churches, yea, even every one, have become polluted because of the pride of your hearts.

37 For behold, ye do love money, and your substance, and your fine apparel, and the adorning of your churches, more than ye love the poor and the needy, the sick and the afflicted.

38 O ye pollutions, ye hypocrites, ye teachers, who sell yourselves for that which will canker, why have ye polluted the holy church of God? Why are ye ashamed to take upon you the name of Christ? Why do ye not think that greater is the value of an endless happiness than that misery which never dies—because of the praise of the world?

39 Why do ye adorn yourselves with that which hath no life, and yet suffer the hungry, and the needy, and the naked, and the sick and the afflicted to pass by you, and notice them not?

40 Yea, why do ye build up your secret abominations to get gain, and cause that widows should mourn before the Lord, and also orphans to mourn before the Lord, and also the blood of their fathers and their husbands to cry unto the Lord from the ground, for vengeance upon your heads?

41 Behold, the sword of vengeance hangeth over you; and the time soon cometh that he avengeth the blood of the saints upon you, for he will not suffer their cries any longer.

Matthew 6:24:

No one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and mammon (money).

2 Nephi 28:

11 Yea, they have all gone out of the way; they have become corrupted.

12 Because of pride, and because of false teachers, and false doctrine, their churches have become corrupted, and their churches are lifted up; because of pride they are puffed up.

13 They rob the poor because of their fine sanctuaries; they rob the poor because of their fine clothing; and they persecute the meek and the poor in heart, because in their pride they are puffed up.

14 They wear stiff necks and high heads; yea, and because of pride, and wickedness, and abominations, and whoredoms, they have all gone astray save it be a few, who are the humble followers of Christ; nevertheless, they are led, that in many instances they do err because they are taught by the precepts of men.

Okay Rock since you're into scriptures here's a couple verses for you to chew on.

12 And blessed are the Gentiles, they of whom the prophet has written; for behold, if it so be that they shall repent and fight not against Zion, and do not unite themselves to that great and abominable church, they shall be saved; for the Lord God will fulfil his covenants which he has made unto his children; and for this cause the prophet has written these things.

13 Wherefore, they that fight against Zion and the covenant people of the Lord shall lick up the dust of their feet; and the people of the Lord shall not be ashamed. For the people of the Lord are they who wait for him; for they still wait for the coming of the Messiah.

Re: Major Renovation Announced for Mesa, Arizona Temple

Posted: May 11th, 2018, 8:41 am
by DesertWonderer2
Col. Flagg wrote: May 10th, 2018, 10:30 pm Mormon 8:

28 Yea, it shall come in a day when the power of God shall be denied, and churches become defiled and be lifted up in the pride of their hearts; yea, even in a day when leaders of churches and teachers shall rise in the pride of their hearts, even to the envying of them who belong to their churches.

33 O ye wicked and perverse and stiffnecked people, why have ye built up churches unto yourselves to get gain? Why have ye transfigured the holy word of God, that ye might bring damnation upon your souls? Behold, look ye unto the revelations of God; for behold, the time cometh at that day when all these things must be fulfilled.

34 Behold, the Lord hath shown unto me great and marvelous things concerning that which must shortly come, at that day when these things shall come forth among you.

35 Behold, I speak unto you as if ye were present, and yet ye are not. But behold, Jesus Christ hath shown you unto me, and I know your doing.

36 And I know that ye do walk in the pride of your hearts; and there are none save a few only who do not lift themselves up in the pride of their hearts, unto the wearing of very fine apparel, unto envying, and strifes, and malice, and persecutions, and all manner of iniquities; and your churches, yea, even every one, have become polluted because of the pride of your hearts.

37 For behold, ye do love money, and your substance, and your fine apparel, and the adorning of your churches, more than ye love the poor and the needy, the sick and the afflicted.

38 O ye pollutions, ye hypocrites, ye teachers, who sell yourselves for that which will canker, why have ye polluted the holy church of God? Why are ye ashamed to take upon you the name of Christ? Why do ye not think that greater is the value of an endless happiness than that misery which never dies—because of the praise of the world?

39 Why do ye adorn yourselves with that which hath no life, and yet suffer the hungry, and the needy, and the naked, and the sick and the afflicted to pass by you, and notice them not?

40 Yea, why do ye build up your secret abominations to get gain, and cause that widows should mourn before the Lord, and also orphans to mourn before the Lord, and also the blood of their fathers and their husbands to cry unto the Lord from the ground, for vengeance upon your heads?

41 Behold, the sword of vengeance hangeth over you; and the time soon cometh that he avengeth the blood of the saints upon you, for he will not suffer their cries any longer.

Matthew 6:24:

No one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and mammon (money).

2 Nephi 28:

11 Yea, they have all gone out of the way; they have become corrupted.

12 Because of pride, and because of false teachers, and false doctrine, their churches have become corrupted, and their churches are lifted up; because of pride they are puffed up.

13 They rob the poor because of their fine sanctuaries; they rob the poor because of their fine clothing; and they persecute the meek and the poor in heart, because in their pride they are puffed up.

14 They wear stiff necks and high heads; yea, and because of pride, and wickedness, and abominations, and whoredoms, they have all gone astray save it be a few, who are the humble followers of Christ; nevertheless, they are led, that in many instances they do err because they are taught by the precepts of men.
Great verses—so what’s your point?

Re: Major Renovation Announced for Mesa, Arizona Temple

Posted: May 11th, 2018, 8:58 am
by Col. Flagg
Mark, DW2, those scriptures were meant for us for our day. You can't and don't see that? :(

Re: Major Renovation Announced for Mesa, Arizona Temple

Posted: May 11th, 2018, 9:11 am
by Arenera
Col. Flagg wrote: May 11th, 2018, 8:58 am Mark, DW2, those scriptures were meant for us for our day. You can't and don't see that? :(
When the Book of Mormon was published, we didn't have any temples. So it was for pre-Book of Mormon. You are trying to use it against the Church today.

Nephi built a temple in his day, you might call it expensive. That is the way temples are.

2 Nephi 5
16 And I, Nephi, did build a temple; and I did construct it after the manner of the temple of Solomon save it were not built of so many precious things; for they were not to be found upon the land, wherefore, it could not be built like unto Solomon’s temple. But the manner of the construction was like unto the temple of Solomon; and the workmanship thereof was exceedingly fine.

Re: Major Renovation Announced for Mesa, Arizona Temple

Posted: May 11th, 2018, 9:34 am
by Lizzy60
The workmanship of the Church Mall is also exceedingly fine. It also keeps the riffraff away. Those pesky beggars. They are all just con men.

Alas, all the warnings in the Book of Mormon can't possible be for our day, because All is Well in Zion after all. #sarcasm

Re: Major Renovation Announced for Mesa, Arizona Temple

Posted: May 11th, 2018, 9:36 am
by drtanner
Col. Flagg wrote: May 10th, 2018, 10:30 pm Mormon 8:

28 Yea, it shall come in a day when the power of God shall be denied, and churches become defiled and be lifted up in the pride of their hearts; yea, even in a day when leaders of churches and teachers shall rise in the pride of their hearts, even to the envying of them who belong to their churches.

33 O ye wicked and perverse and stiffnecked people, why have ye built up churches unto yourselves to get gain? Why have ye transfigured the holy word of God, that ye might bring damnation upon your souls? Behold, look ye unto the revelations of God; for behold, the time cometh at that day when all these things must be fulfilled.

34 Behold, the Lord hath shown unto me great and marvelous things concerning that which must shortly come, at that day when these things shall come forth among you.

35 Behold, I speak unto you as if ye were present, and yet ye are not. But behold, Jesus Christ hath shown you unto me, and I know your doing.

36 And I know that ye do walk in the pride of your hearts; and there are none save a few only who do not lift themselves up in the pride of their hearts, unto the wearing of very fine apparel, unto envying, and strifes, and malice, and persecutions, and all manner of iniquities; and your churches, yea, even every one, have become polluted because of the pride of your hearts.

37 For behold, ye do love money, and your substance, and your fine apparel, and the adorning of your churches, more than ye love the poor and the needy, the sick and the afflicted.

38 O ye pollutions, ye hypocrites, ye teachers, who sell yourselves for that which will canker, why have ye polluted the holy church of God? Why are ye ashamed to take upon you the name of Christ? Why do ye not think that greater is the value of an endless happiness than that misery which never dies—because of the praise of the world?

39 Why do ye adorn yourselves with that which hath no life, and yet suffer the hungry, and the needy, and the naked, and the sick and the afflicted to pass by you, and notice them not?

40 Yea, why do ye build up your secret abominations to get gain, and cause that widows should mourn before the Lord, and also orphans to mourn before the Lord, and also the blood of their fathers and their husbands to cry unto the Lord from the ground, for vengeance upon your heads?

41 Behold, the sword of vengeance hangeth over you; and the time soon cometh that he avengeth the blood of the saints upon you, for he will not suffer their cries any longer.

Matthew 6:24:

No one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and mammon (money).

2 Nephi 28:

11 Yea, they have all gone out of the way; they have become corrupted.

12 Because of pride, and because of false teachers, and false doctrine, their churches have become corrupted, and their churches are lifted up; because of pride they are puffed up.

13 They rob the poor because of their fine sanctuaries; they rob the poor because of their fine clothing; and they persecute the meek and the poor in heart, because in their pride they are puffed up.

14 They wear stiff necks and high heads; yea, and because of pride, and wickedness, and abominations, and whoredoms, they have all gone astray save it be a few, who are the humble followers of Christ; nevertheless, they are led, that in many instances they do err because they are taught by the precepts of men.
How odd that you would equate the renovation of the house of the Lord to these scriptures. Sadly you do not have a witness of what takes place in his house and of his approval of what takes place. My witness is that sacred undeniable experiences await those who enter his holy house worthily, with an eye single to his glory manifest by a genuine motive for the souls of others. Until you experience your own witness you will mis-understand the concept of building a house unto the Lord and the worth of souls.

Re: Major Renovation Announced for Mesa, Arizona Temple

Posted: May 11th, 2018, 10:13 am
by Mark
Col. Flagg wrote: May 11th, 2018, 8:58 am Mark, DW2, those scriptures were meant for us for our day. You can't and don't see that? :(
Whats sad here is that you are implicating those honorable men that I sustain as Prophets Seers and Revelators as prideful charlatan hypocrites. If YOU cant see that you are just a thick mick as we used to say in London..

Re: Major Renovation Announced for Mesa, Arizona Temple

Posted: May 11th, 2018, 12:15 pm
by Col. Flagg
Arenera wrote: May 11th, 2018, 9:11 am
Col. Flagg wrote: May 11th, 2018, 8:58 am Mark, DW2, those scriptures were meant for us for our day. You can't and don't see that? :(
When the Book of Mormon was published, we didn't have any temples. So it was for pre-Book of Mormon. You are trying to use it against the Church today.

Nephi built a temple in his day, you might call it expensive. That is the way temples are.

2 Nephi 5
16 And I, Nephi, did build a temple; and I did construct it after the manner of the temple of Solomon save it were not built of so many precious things; for they were not to be found upon the land, wherefore, it could not be built like unto Solomon’s temple. But the manner of the construction was like unto the temple of Solomon; and the workmanship thereof was exceedingly fine.
There's a pretty big difference between 'quality of work' and 'cost'. And doesn't the Lord know the past, present and future?

Re: Major Renovation Announced for Mesa, Arizona Temple

Posted: May 11th, 2018, 12:19 pm
by Col. Flagg
Mark wrote: May 11th, 2018, 10:13 am
Col. Flagg wrote: May 11th, 2018, 8:58 am Mark, DW2, those scriptures were meant for us for our day. You can't and don't see that? :(
Whats sad here is that you are implicating those honorable men that I sustain as Prophets Seers and Revelators as prideful charlatan hypocrites. If YOU cant see that you are just a thick mick as we used to say in London..
Yep, I'm implicating the brethren because we all know I am out to get them and to attack the church every chance I get even though I've been a member my whole life, have served in almost every calling you can think of over the last 35 years and have my testimony rooted firmly in the gospel, but darn, since it isn't in the arm of the flesh, how dare I question the use of sacred funds for big corporate interests that have to do more with money than Zion. :lol:

Re: Major Renovation Announced for Mesa, Arizona Temple

Posted: May 11th, 2018, 12:32 pm
by drtanner
Col. Flagg wrote: May 11th, 2018, 12:19 pm
Mark wrote: May 11th, 2018, 10:13 am
Col. Flagg wrote: May 11th, 2018, 8:58 am Mark, DW2, those scriptures were meant for us for our day. You can't and don't see that? :(
Whats sad here is that you are implicating those honorable men that I sustain as Prophets Seers and Revelators as prideful charlatan hypocrites. If YOU cant see that you are just a thick mick as we used to say in London..
Yep, I'm implicating the brethren because we all know I am out to get them and to attack the church every chance I get even though I've been a member my whole life, have served in almost every calling you can think of over the last 35 years and have my testimony rooted firmly in the gospel, but darn, since it isn't in the arm of the flesh, how dare I question the use of sacred funds for big corporate interests that have to do more with money than Zion. :lol:
With love and concern: I’m afraid the only thing that has to do with money is the excuse you are using to create a wedge between you and something you do not understand. The mis- interpretation of the scriptures you quote are evidence of this. That being said if you are still active in the church as you say I’m grateful and I hope you will gain a witness of the temple and it’s importance.

Re: Major Renovation Announced for Mesa, Arizona Temple

Posted: May 11th, 2018, 12:39 pm
by EmmaLee
Meili wrote: May 10th, 2018, 10:15 pm Mesa temple is one of my favorite. I find it incredibly beautiful, even more than some other more traditionally designed temples. I hope they don't change the look of the building at all. It sounds like they aren't.
I agree! Having grown up in Phoenix, and the Mesa temple being the only temple in the whole state at that time - it is one of my favorites, too. It's where I did baptisms as a youth, got my endowment, and got sealed to my husband. Sure holds a special place in my heart! By these renderings (see link below), it doesn't look like the outside structure of the building will change, thankfully - just some new landscaping, and interior work - and the new visitor's center, etc.

https://www.mormonnewsroom.org/article/ ... ona-temple

Re: Major Renovation Announced for Mesa, Arizona Temple

Posted: May 11th, 2018, 12:45 pm
by Lizzy60
My great-grandmother lived within walking distance of the Mesa temple until she died at 98. I also did baptisms there as a youth while visiting her.

With the new development, only the wealthy will be able to live as near to the temple as she did.

The same thing is happening in New Zealand. Low-to-middle class homes near the temple are razed to make room for expensive condos and retail.

Isaiah 5:8

Re: Major Renovation Announced for Mesa, Arizona Temple

Posted: May 11th, 2018, 12:47 pm
by Lizzy60
Also, it's possible to have a testimony of the restored gospel and temple work, yet also believe that these ultra-expensive building projects (condos and shopping centers) are not inspired by the Lord.

Re: Major Renovation Announced for Mesa, Arizona Temple

Posted: May 11th, 2018, 1:29 pm
by Col. Flagg
Lizzy60 wrote: May 11th, 2018, 12:47 pm Also, it's possible to have a testimony of the restored gospel and temple work, yet also believe that these ultra-expensive building projects (condos and shopping centers) are not inspired by the Lord.
Thank you and amen!!!

Re: Major Renovation Announced for Mesa, Arizona Temple

Posted: May 11th, 2018, 2:24 pm
by drtanner
Lizzy60 wrote: May 11th, 2018, 12:47 pm Also, it's possible to have a testimony of the restored gospel and temple work, yet also believe that these ultra-expensive building projects (condos and shopping centers) are not inspired by the Lord.
Does this project include condos and shopping centers?

Re: Major Renovation Announced for Mesa, Arizona Temple

Posted: May 11th, 2018, 2:35 pm
by Mark
Lizzy60 wrote: May 11th, 2018, 9:34 am The workmanship of the Church Mall is also exceedingly fine. It also keeps the riffraff away. Those pesky beggars. They are all just con men.

Alas, all the warnings in the Book of Mormon can't possible be for our day, because All is Well in Zion after all. #sarcasm
I work in large cities like San Fran and LA and Orange County and San Diego and have been approached all the time by homeless beggars And poor unfortunates. I lived downtown in SLC right near the homeless shelters and know what goes on in that world. It ain't pretty. Most of these folks living on the streets in these big cities I do business in are druggies and addicts and alchoholics and participate in all assortment of lewdness and criminal behavior. You would be concerned for your safety and would be out of there the first chance you could Sister. Please don't preach to everyone and get all high and mighty about how the church is rejecting them. You would be avoiding those types of areas yourself if you spent any time in them.

Re: Major Renovation Announced for Mesa, Arizona Temple

Posted: May 11th, 2018, 3:08 pm
by shadow
Col. Flagg wrote: May 11th, 2018, 12:15 pm
Arenera wrote: May 11th, 2018, 9:11 am
Col. Flagg wrote: May 11th, 2018, 8:58 am Mark, DW2, those scriptures were meant for us for our day. You can't and don't see that? :(
When the Book of Mormon was published, we didn't have any temples. So it was for pre-Book of Mormon. You are trying to use it against the Church today.

Nephi built a temple in his day, you might call it expensive. That is the way temples are.

2 Nephi 5
16 And I, Nephi, did build a temple; and I did construct it after the manner of the temple of Solomon save it were not built of so many precious things; for they were not to be found upon the land, wherefore, it could not be built like unto Solomon’s temple. But the manner of the construction was like unto the temple of Solomon; and the workmanship thereof was exceedingly fine.
There's a pretty big difference between 'quality of work' and 'cost'. And doesn't the Lord know the past, present and future?
The Temple Nephi built was "exceedingly fine" and Nephi lamented that it couldn't be like Solomon's Temple. The reason it couldn't be like that Temple was because Nephi didn't have all those precious things, but had he had those precious things, you can bet your bottom dollar that Nephi would've incorporated them into the Temple.
As it was, Nephi's Temple was no shack. In fact, it was probably not much different than our Temples today. Today's temples aren't found with precious stones. The only gold you'll find is a bit of dust in the gold leaf paint. Today's Temples are built just like Nephi's, with fine workmanship.

Re: Major Renovation Announced for Mesa, Arizona Temple

Posted: May 11th, 2018, 3:34 pm
by Col. Flagg
drtanner wrote: May 11th, 2018, 2:24 pm
Lizzy60 wrote: May 11th, 2018, 12:47 pm Also, it's possible to have a testimony of the restored gospel and temple work, yet also believe that these ultra-expensive building projects (condos and shopping centers) are not inspired by the Lord.
Does this project include condos and shopping centers?
I don’t think it’s going to be exactly like City Creek was, but I do know it is going to cost $1-2 billion and involve real estate projects, for-profit entities and other restoration work that is supposed to revive business around the temple.

Re: Major Renovation Announced for Mesa, Arizona Temple

Posted: May 11th, 2018, 3:35 pm
by True
Lizzy60 wrote: May 11th, 2018, 12:45 pm My great-grandmother lived within walking distance of the Mesa temple until she died at 98. I also did baptisms there as a youth while visiting her.

With the new development, only the wealthy will be able to live as near to the temple as she did.

The same thing is happening in New Zealand. Low-to-middle class homes near the temple are razed to make room for expensive condos and retail.

Isaiah 5:8
It doesn’t matter what they do. It will still be in a bad area of town and there will be plenty of low cost housing but I would not suggest living near there because of the crime.

Re: Major Renovation Announced for Mesa, Arizona Temple

Posted: May 11th, 2018, 3:43 pm
by David13
Yesterday I did happen to see the 'after renovation' photos, or 'artists rendition' of what it will look like. Nice.
But not as nice as Manti and Salt Lake, and also no live sessions, like Manti and Salt Lake (that God Almighty for those live sessions).

I had heard that when the Cedar Temple was done they were going to close and redo St George. St George is much older and I'm sure wood frame inside. Wood does not last as long as steel, and seldom much more than 100 years. And I had heard it needs it.

I know in Logan? they rebuilt and took out the wood and put in steel frame. Now good for 200 or more years. Unless they want to redo the decor.

Then later I heard that when Cedar was done they would redo Mesa.

Oh well, I think Cedar will be my 10th Temple to visit (in a session, I mean). Remember I'm now 3 years in the church, and 2 years in the Temple.
dc