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Re: Major Renovation Announced for Mesa, Arizona Temple

Posted: May 11th, 2018, 3:47 pm
by Mark
Col. Flagg wrote: May 11th, 2018, 3:34 pm
drtanner wrote: May 11th, 2018, 2:24 pm
Lizzy60 wrote: May 11th, 2018, 12:47 pm Also, it's possible to have a testimony of the restored gospel and temple work, yet also believe that these ultra-expensive building projects (condos and shopping centers) are not inspired by the Lord.
Does this project include condos and shopping centers?
I don’t think it’s going to be exactly like City Creek was, but I do know it is going to cost $1-2 billion and involve real estate projects, for-profit entities and other restoration work that is supposed to revive business around the temple.
Ewwww. For profit entities?? For the love of Pete! Are you a communist son? Your mother always knew you were a bit off but we thought it would eventually pass. Obviously not. We should have homeschooled you.

Re: Major Renovation Announced for Mesa, Arizona Temple

Posted: May 11th, 2018, 4:02 pm
by drtanner
Col. Flagg wrote: May 11th, 2018, 3:34 pm
drtanner wrote: May 11th, 2018, 2:24 pm
Lizzy60 wrote: May 11th, 2018, 12:47 pm Also, it's possible to have a testimony of the restored gospel and temple work, yet also believe that these ultra-expensive building projects (condos and shopping centers) are not inspired by the Lord.
Does this project include condos and shopping centers?
I don’t think it’s going to be exactly like City Creek was, but I do know it is going to cost $1-2 billion and involve real estate projects, for-profit entities and other restoration work that is supposed to revive business around the temple.
How do you know it will cost that much? Where does it talk about for profit entities and real estate projects? Not seeing this anywhere.

Re: Major Renovation Announced for Mesa, Arizona Temple

Posted: May 11th, 2018, 4:10 pm
by DesertWonderer2

Re: Major Renovation Announced for Mesa, Arizona Temple

Posted: May 11th, 2018, 4:20 pm
by DesertWonderer2
Col. Flagg wrote: May 11th, 2018, 3:34 pm
drtanner wrote: May 11th, 2018, 2:24 pm
Lizzy60 wrote: May 11th, 2018, 12:47 pm Also, it's possible to have a testimony of the restored gospel and temple work, yet also believe that these ultra-expensive building projects (condos and shopping centers) are not inspired by the Lord.
Does this project include condos and shopping centers?
I don’t think it’s going to be exactly like City Creek was, but I do know it is going to cost $1-2 billion and involve real estate projects, for-profit entities and other restoration work that is supposed to revive business around the temple.
If that is true, great. We will have saved another city, been wise stewards and increased the resouces that will be needed to build God’s kingdom in the future.

Re: Major Renovation Announced for Mesa, Arizona Temple

Posted: May 11th, 2018, 5:07 pm
by Col. Flagg
drtanner wrote: May 11th, 2018, 4:02 pm
Col. Flagg wrote: May 11th, 2018, 3:34 pm
drtanner wrote: May 11th, 2018, 2:24 pm
Lizzy60 wrote: May 11th, 2018, 12:47 pm Also, it's possible to have a testimony of the restored gospel and temple work, yet also believe that these ultra-expensive building projects (condos and shopping centers) are not inspired by the Lord.
Does this project include condos and shopping centers?
I don’t think it’s going to be exactly like City Creek was, but I do know it is going to cost $1-2 billion and involve real estate projects, for-profit entities and other restoration work that is supposed to revive business around the temple.
How do you know it will cost that much? Where does it talk about for profit entities and real estate projects? Not seeing this anywhere.
Read the OP - no, the releases don't go into any detail other than info. about the temple renovation, but this is going to be a much bigger project than just renovating a temple. What I know is first hand information from someone who knows what the plans are thanks to his ties to the COB.

Re: Major Renovation Announced for Mesa, Arizona Temple

Posted: May 11th, 2018, 5:12 pm
by Col. Flagg
Mark wrote: May 11th, 2018, 3:47 pm
Col. Flagg wrote: May 11th, 2018, 3:34 pm
drtanner wrote: May 11th, 2018, 2:24 pm
Lizzy60 wrote: May 11th, 2018, 12:47 pm Also, it's possible to have a testimony of the restored gospel and temple work, yet also believe that these ultra-expensive building projects (condos and shopping centers) are not inspired by the Lord.
Does this project include condos and shopping centers?
I don’t think it’s going to be exactly like City Creek was, but I do know it is going to cost $1-2 billion and involve real estate projects, for-profit entities and other restoration work that is supposed to revive business around the temple.
Ewwww. For profit entities?? For the love of Pete! Are you a communist son? Your mother always knew you were a bit off but we thought it would eventually pass. Obviously not. We should have homeschooled you.
:lol:

IMHO, this is what the Lord thinks of 'fine sanctuaries that rob the poor', 'great and spacious buildings' and dropping billions into real estate projects that have nothing to do whatsoever with building Zion...

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Dismiss it as a random, freak act of mother nature if you desire, but I'd give that mindset a LONG thought.

Re: Major Renovation Announced for Mesa, Arizona Temple

Posted: May 11th, 2018, 6:07 pm
by drtanner
Col. Flagg wrote: May 11th, 2018, 5:07 pm
drtanner wrote: May 11th, 2018, 4:02 pm
Col. Flagg wrote: May 11th, 2018, 3:34 pm
drtanner wrote: May 11th, 2018, 2:24 pm

Does this project include condos and shopping centers?
I don’t think it’s going to be exactly like City Creek was, but I do know it is going to cost $1-2 billion and involve real estate projects, for-profit entities and other restoration work that is supposed to revive business around the temple.
How do you know it will cost that much? Where does it talk about for profit entities and real estate projects? Not seeing this anywhere.
Read the OP - no, the releases don't go into any detail other than info. about the temple renovation, but this is going to be a much bigger project than just renovating a temple. What I know is first hand information from someone who knows what the plans are thanks to his ties to the COB.
I would have no issues with the decisions of the church if that is what they are doing, I just don’t see any evidence for it anywhere. I see a temple renovation, but if economic revival is part of the goal of the project I would support it. As I look at the self reliance initiative I see the wisdom and inspiration in the principles. I see the same principles related here and in the scriptures.

Re: Major Renovation Announced for Mesa, Arizona Temple

Posted: May 11th, 2018, 9:53 pm
by Col. Flagg
drtanner wrote: May 11th, 2018, 6:07 pm
Col. Flagg wrote: May 11th, 2018, 5:07 pm
drtanner wrote: May 11th, 2018, 4:02 pm
Col. Flagg wrote: May 11th, 2018, 3:34 pm
I don’t think it’s going to be exactly like City Creek was, but I do know it is going to cost $1-2 billion and involve real estate projects, for-profit entities and other restoration work that is supposed to revive business around the temple.
How do you know it will cost that much? Where does it talk about for profit entities and real estate projects? Not seeing this anywhere.
Read the OP - no, the releases don't go into any detail other than info. about the temple renovation, but this is going to be a much bigger project than just renovating a temple. What I know is first hand information from someone who knows what the plans are thanks to his ties to the COB.
I would have no issues with the decisions of the church if that is what they are doing, I just don’t see any evidence for it anywhere. I see a temple renovation, but if economic revival is part of the goal of the project I would support it. As I look at the self reliance initiative I see the wisdom and inspiration in the principles. I see the same principles related here and in the scriptures.
Sorry to hear that. :(

Re: Major Renovation Announced for Mesa, Arizona Temple

Posted: May 31st, 2018, 7:55 pm
by EmmaLee
Here's the latest info -

https://www.mormonnewsroom.org/article/ ... ewsroom%29

News Release
31 MAY 2018 - MESA, ARIZONA

Plans have been announced to redevelop 4.5 acres of land along the Main Street light rail corridor in Mesa, Arizona, an area located just west of the Mesa Arizona Temple of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. A new mixed-use community will replace vacant lots and buildings near the temple, which is currently closed for renovation.

“We’ve been planning this project for years,” said Matt Baldwin, real estate development director for City Creek Reserve (CCRI), an investment affiliate of the Church. “We’ve talked with city and county government leaders, city planning staff and other local developers. We want to enhance and beautify this block, but we also want to make sure what we’re proposing is what downtown Mesa needs,” he added.

The revitalization, located between Mesa Drive and LeSueur Street, will include 240 apartments, 12 townhomes, 70,000 square feet of landscaped open space, ground floor retail space and underground parking.

CCRI worked with Scottsdale-based Dale Gordon Design to create a plan for a vibrant, transit-oriented neighborhood using diverse residential unit sizes, comfortably scaled buildings, Mesa-authentic architecture and landscaped streets and gardens.

“What CCRI has envisioned is exactly right for downtown Mesa right now,” observed Mike Hutchinson, executive vice president of the East Valley Partnership and former Mesa city manager. “They’ve done their homework. This project will bring renewed vitality to this key block on Main Street.”

The new apartments will include studio, one-bedroom and two-bedroom floorplans. The townhomes will feature three-bedroom plans. Amenities will include a business center and conference room, garden areas, outdoor cooking and fire pits, an outdoor games area, property security, a package concierge and gated parking access.

Retail tenants will be accommodated in up to 12,500 square feet of ground floor space. Underground parking with 450 stalls will serve both residential and retail users.

Renovation plans for the adjacent Mesa Temple block call for demolishing and relocating the Mesa Arizona Temple Visitors’ Center. A new 18,000 square foot visitors’ center and interactive Family History Discovery Center will be built on the corner of Main and LeSueur as part of CCRI’s project.

After reviewing CCRI’s plans, Mesa developer Tony Wall said, “There’s no doubting City Creek’s commitment to downtown Mesa. Their investment will encourage other developers to be a part of forging a new future for downtown.”

Pending rezoning and permit approvals, City Creek expects to begin construction in September of this year, with completion projected in 24–30 months in late 2020 or early 2021.

City Creek Reserve, Inc. (CCRI) is a real estate investment affiliate of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. CCRI is the master developer of City Creek, a sustainably-designed, 23-acre, walkable urban community of residences, offices and retail stores in downtown Salt Lake City, which has renewed and revitalized the heart of the city.