English Quran

[ahmedcrow]

A vision said that I'm not satisfied with the English translations of Quran, and vision showed the texts that seemed not to be in the perfect language.

When I tried to fix this problem I shocked, 'cause I found that I can't make big changes as I imagined in the translated verses.

For example: "Indeed, those who disbelieve - it is all the same for them whether you warn them or do not warn them - they will not believe." - 6 of chapter 2 ( Quran)

What I can do in verse like this, I tried a try, "Those who're unfaithful, it's all the same for 'em whether you warned 'em or you didn't, they won't believe."

[ahmedcrow]

Another vision said that "It's" is an equivalent for a word that like a preposition in Arabic that gives feeling of emphasizing in sentences, the same word that's like preposition is in the verse, I think for that the translator used the word "indeed", I think we don't need it.

May be we can say the verse like "Those who're unfaithful, it's all the same to 'em if you warned 'em or didn't (or not - if we can say it in this position), they wouldn't believe."

[brianj]

Don't bother wasting your time. The Koran is written in a poetic style, and poetry can't be translated effectively.

Why even bother? There are already English translations of the Koran and Hadith so it's not necessary. And why do something that could help spread a false, Satan inspired religion?

[Thinker]

Don't bother wasting your time. The Koran is written in a poetic style, and poetry can't be translated effectively.

Why even bother? There are already English translations of the Koran and Hadith so it's not necessary. And why do something that could help spread a false, Satan inspired religion?

That’s not very nice.
Some say Mormonism is Satanic.
I believe each religion has some valid truths in their attempt to understand God and spirituality.

“11 We claim the privilege of worshiping Almighty God according to the dictates of our own conscience, and allow all men the same privilege, let them worship how, where, or what they may.”

[ahmedcrow]

Don't bother wasting your time. The Koran is written in a poetic style, and poetry can't be translated effectively.

Why even bother? There are already English translations of the Koran and Hadith so it's not necessary. And why do something that could help spread a false, Satan inspired religion?

I won't think in a replay 'cause I want to give the chance for the Thinker reply, it's good one, "And my brother Aaron is more fluent than me in tongue, so send him with me as support, verifying me..." - 34 of chapter 28 (Quran)

[brianj]

Don't bother wasting your time. The Koran is written in a poetic style, and poetry can't be translated effectively.

Why even bother? There are already English translations of the Koran and Hadith so it's not necessary. And why do something that could help spread a false, Satan inspired religion?

That’s not very nice.
Some say Mormonism is Satanic.
I believe each religion has some valid truths in their attempt to understand God and spirituality.

“11 We claim the privilege of worshiping Almighty God according to the dictates of our own conscience, and allow all men the same privilege, let them worship how, where, or what they may.”

Yes, there are truths to be found within Islam. But I have spent enough time with current Muslims, ex-Muslims, the Koran, and the Hadith to see a great deal of wickedness within Islam. I don't know what God knows; maybe Islam was initially inspired by the Holy Ghost. But it soon became a very twisted religion, used by Muhammad to justify his warfare against tribes in the region that didn't accept him as a leader.

Your opinion may be different, but any religion that dictates a rape victim is to be murdered for immoral behavior unless she can produce multiple witnesses to support the assertion that she was raped is a Satanic religion.

[gardener4life]

Its very possible that God is helping Ahmed to see what's happened to all holy books, like the Bible in a parable way. The dark ages in Asia and Europe were really awful and a lot of good scripture was hidden, taken away, and mistranslated as we all know.

[Thinker]

Brianj,
I had 2 Muslim roommates who proved to be very devout (praying daily faithfully, fasting etc). They also had good standards. One went to BYU-I because her parents respected lds standards. Another is one of my best friends and is one of the most giving, kind people I know. When I took a lds religious class, a Muslim was also taking it and the professor had him explain some of Islam, which we were studying at the time. I took my kids to a Mosque and were treated so nicely. A couple of men got us drinks and snacks (which my kids loved) and one explained that genuine Muslims do not justify murder, rape etc by their religion.

I realize that each religion’s history has some evil aspects, including Islam and Mormonism. Ie: Brigham Young ordered his own “Extermination Order” killing as many Ute men, women and children as people could. Then there’s the mountain meadow massacres, and Joseph Smith marrying teenagers and women who were married, with letters to them saying an angel commanded him to have sex with them or else... The racial prejudice in our religious doctrine isn’t of God. There are many things like how finances are handled and teaching distorted ideas that promote shame, anxiety & depression. But that doesn’t mean all Mormonism or all Islam is evil. Parts are good, parts are evil. We have the precious gift of free agency, with the ability to discern.

And nobody’s perfect! No religion is perfect. Search for, appreciate and respect truth wherever it’s found. Take the best, leave the rest.

[brianj]

This sounds like the No True Scotsman fallacy. I have known Muslims who make the same assertions you repeat, but when pressed and given a few Muhammad quotes, confess they would get fast-tracked to heaven if they killed infidels for Allah.

[ahmedcrow]

This sounds like the No True Scotsman fallacy. I have known Muslims who make the same assertions you repeat, but when pressed and given a few Muhammad quotes, confess they would get fast-tracked to heaven if they killed infidels for Allah.

I can agree with you in that Islam is like a complex puzzle, you can't understand it with normal simple classical studying. In my experience I noted some differences between people about Islam:

- Those who say that the problem is in the Islam itself surely, you must leave it or change it. May be they'll be happy if a Muslim becomes an atheist or talked against his religion, or abandoned many of Islam concepts ... etc
but this won't solve the problem of this lost Muslim, he will meet his God as an atheist, he'll go to hell or heaven ?! I'm not sure, most of Muslims won't leave their religion 'cause a word like this.

- Those who say that the Islam is innocent, it's not like Daesh saying, and they get their proofs from Islamic texts.

- Those who say that the correct and true Islam is like what we're doing like Daesh, no comment, they're MAD.

- Those who say that the Islam isn't mad or ugly and what Daesh doing as an example isn't what we know about our religion, it's freak and strange, we don't know what's this. Those people are the most normal people, they're not scholars.

[Thinker]

This sounds like the No True Scotsman fallacy. I have known Muslims who make the same assertions you repeat, but when pressed and given a few Muhammad quotes, confess they would get fast-tracked to heaven if they killed infidels for Allah.

I could say you’re engaging in global labeling, jumping to conclusions and prejudice by saying everyone who believes in any type of Islam are killers who “confess they would get fast-tracked to heaven if they killed infidels for Allah” just because you knew a a couple who did. I see on the news Muslims who take their religion out of context & to extremes. When I read about the Ute massacres and mountain Meadows Massacre - Mormons killing because their leader told them to - I see Mormons taking their religion out of context & to extremes.

Realize that I pointed out that each religion (Islam and Mormonism) has some positive and negative aspects. There’s good and bad in each of us... and in each group. Again, take the best, leave the rest.