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Alaris wrote: ↑October 4th, 2019, 12:53 pm

Robbinius wrote: ↑October 4th, 2019, 12:18 pm

Alaris wrote: ↑October 3rd, 2019, 6:39 pm Wow this just keeps getting better and better. I'm still searching for the alt translation of what I would call the "original" Apocalypse of Abraham, and I found this gem:

https://www.fairmormon.org/wp-content/u ... braham.pdf

Sadly, the title is focused on proving the veracity of the Book of Moses, which, imho, is a lesser work. The greater is to find truth wherever it may be and expand your knowledge rather than focusing on the bits that confirm existing knowledge. *sigh* That said, the parallels are themselves very instructional. In fact, the author points out how the "high mountain" unto which both Moses and Abraham are caught up is also reflected in Nephi's experience. An exceedingly high mountain unknown to them. Could this be 2 Esdras 13 where Ezra, immediately after the Ezra's eagle vision, sees the Davidic Servant appear and destroy armies by the breath of his lips? Ezra first sees the DS appear from regions unknown and a ... great mountain.

2 Esdras 1 And it came to pass after seven days, I dreamed a dream by night:

2 And, lo, there arose a wind from the sea, that it moved all the waves thereof.

3 And I beheld, and, lo, that man waxed strong with the thousands of heaven: and when he turned his countenance to look, all the things trembled that were seen under him.

4 And whensoever the voice went out of his mouth, all they burned that heard his voice, like as the earth faileth when it feeleth the fire.

5 And after this I beheld, and, lo, there was gathered together a multitude of men, out of number, from the four winds of the heaven, to subdue the man that came out of the sea

6 But I beheld, and, lo, he had graved himself a great mountain, and flew up upon it.

Back to the PDF linked at the start of this post. A copy of The Apoclypse of Abraham is ... illustrated! Robbinius should enjoy the illustrations particularly.

abraham-yahoel-facsimile1.PNG

From the PDF:

Here, Abraham appears with a group of sacrificial animals.16 His robe now
covers both of his shoulders. Deity forms a two-handed gesture. This may be
related to the practice in ancient Israel, where the high priest transferred the
sins of the people to the scapegoat in a ritual action involving both hands.17
The figure at right is Yahoel, an Angel of the Presence, whose name connotes
the “Lord God,” the Divine Name, and whose body, face, and hair are also
reminiscent of God Himself.
18 The turban, blue robe, and golden staff recall a
royal high-priestly figure.19

You know, he's right - the angel DOES identify himself as Jehovah. How curious! If only we had other accounts where this happens:

Exodus 3:2 And the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush: and he looked, and, behold, the bush burned with fire, and the bush was not consumed.

3 And Moses said, I will now turn aside, and see this great sight, why the bush is not burnt.

4 And when the Lord saw that he turned aside to see, God called unto him out of the midst of the bush, and said, Moses, Moses. And he said, Here am I.

5 And he said, Draw not nigh hither: put off thy shoes from off thy feet, for the place whereon thou standest is holy ground.

6 Moreover he said, I am the God of thy father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob. And Moses hid his face; for he was afraid to look upon God.

The key to understand this is reflected in the relationship between Moses and Aaron - this message is given by the Angel of Jehovah who speaks for Jehovah:

Exodus 4:16 And he shall be thy spokesman unto the people: and he shall be, even he shall be to thee instead of a mouth, and thou shalt be to him instead of God.

Most reading this already know this - especially if you're reading this thread start to finish. The link between the Angel Jahoel and Facsimile 1 is amazing. I discuss yet another link from Facsimile 1's "horus falcon" to the Angel of the Lord where the character "horus" amazingly resembles the Davidic Servant. The heir of Osiris who raises Osiris by the "eye of horus" which is a stone that contains the new name.

http://lordoftheseraphim.blogspot.com/2 ... -part.html

Anyway - I'm getting way sidetracked here. I still haven't found that translation that moved me to post today in the first place. Before I do - please have a look at this incredible PDF if you are interested in the topic. The author points out how the medieval depictions of Yahoel are similar to depictions of Christ where He raises the dead - linking the power of the resurrection to the Angel who sounds the first trump (D&C 88) whose name is conspicuously absent from D&C 88.

From the PDF (https://www.fairmormon.org/wp-content/u ... braham.pdf):

Abraham, a nimbus surrounding his head, stands at left wearing a green robe on his left shoulder indicating his priestly status. Note the crescent moon on the blue half-orb at the top representing God’s presence. We do not yet understand why the moon appears here,

Uh, I do. The greater light to rule the day, or Jehovah, the Melchizedek High Priest, and the lesser light to rule the night, or the Aaronic High Priest, or the priest of judgment and destruction, the Arm of the Lord, the Destroyer. This is He who would be the means of sending forth fire under direction of Jehovah, under direction of the Father. Hmmmm... not a lot of mystery there actually. Amazing how the puzzle keeps getting put more and more back together with each document.

And yeah I'm loving the illustrations

Edit: I just realized I wasn't clear on what I was referencing. I don't know how to post an image from a local file here, but it's on page 6 of that PDF. It's the one with fire raining down on Abraham's father, Terah's house for being an idolator. Judgment and destruction.

Isn't it wonderful? Maybe there was a slight tear at reading this - a manly tear of joy :*)

Here's that image

fairmormon-aoabraham.png

The "blood moon" = the Red Raiment = The Destroyer

Very nice connection!

The blood moon of 7/27/2018 the start of the 62nd year from the sign on 7/27/1957!

my dear friend emailed me 1 Nephi 10:17-18 and gave no commentary for no commentary was needed. I saw what he saw and we see eye to eye and rejoice.


1 Nephi 10:17 And it came to pass after I, Nephi, having heard all the words of my father, concerning the things which he saw in a vision, and also the things which he spake by the power of the Holy Ghost, which power he received by faith on the Son of God—and the Son of God was the Messiah who should come—I, Nephi, was desirous also that I might see, and hear, and know of these things, by the power of the Holy Ghost, which is the gift of God unto all those who diligently seek him, as well in times of old as in the time that he should manifest himself unto the children of men.

18 For he is the same yesterday, today, and forever; and the way is prepared for all men from the foundation of the world, if it so be that they repent and come unto him.

So, as I've already shared in this thread, Nephi saw stuff - knew things. He shared what He saw about Jesus, yet when Nephi is about to share more he's forbidden. Then he just randomly names the angel of the Lord before and after said forbidding.

1 Nephi 14:24 And behold, the things which this apostle of the Lamb shall write are many things which thou hast seen; and behold, the remainder shalt thou see.

25 But the things which thou shalt see hereafter thou shalt not write; for the Lord God hath ordained the apostle of the Lamb of God that he should write them.


.... ! . ... The Book of Revelation is ALL ABOUT the one who sitteth upon the throne - the eighth angel who casts down the golden scepter, who declares the 144,000 must be sealed first, who imprisons the adversary, and is exalted on high given the title King of Kings and Lord of Lords. So Nephi ... . sees all that stuff. Notice Nephi's language!!! Look! See!


26 And also others who have been, to them hath he shown all things, and they have written them; and they are sealed up to come forth in their purity, according to the truth which is in the Lamb, in the own due time of the Lord, unto the house of Israel.

27 And I, Nephi, heard and bear record, that the name of the apostle of the Lamb was John, according to the word of the angel.

28 And behold, I, Nephi, am forbidden that I should write the remainder of the things which I saw and heard; wherefore the things which I have written sufficeth me; and I have written but a small part of the things which I saw.

29 And I bear record that I saw the things which my father saw, and the angel of the Lord did make them known unto me.

30 And now I make an end of speaking concerning the things which I saw while I was carried away in the Spirit; and if all the things which I saw are not written, the things which I have written are true. And thus it is. Amen.

The Angel of the Lord Nephi? The same Angel of the Lord John worships ... twice? How has nobody put this together before!? It's like a great spirit of deep sleep has been upon us all.


1 Nephi 10:17 And it came to pass after I, Nephi, having heard all the words of my father, concerning the things which he saw in a vision, and also the things which he spake by the power of the Holy Ghost, which power he received by faith on the Son of God—and the Son of God was the Messiah who should come—I, Nephi, was desirous also that I might see, and hear, and know of these things, by the power of the Holy Ghost, which is the gift of God unto all those who diligently seek him, as well in times of old as in the time that he should manifest himself unto the children of men.

So pardon my goofy mood, as if it wasn't already apparent in the "Heavenly Mother, Are you really there?" thread. I am watching Star Trek 2009, sothe response to the above scripture played out in my mind in Spock's voice.

"It's now clear to me that the only logical conclusion is that before writing chapter 10, Nephi had his visionary experience regarding the mysteries of the Holy Ghost, which is detailed in chapters 11-14!"

1 Nephi 10:17 ...which power he received by faith on the Son of God—and the Son of God was the Messiah who should come—

Is that one Son of God or two?

The power of the Holy Ghost, which is the gift of God unto all those who diligently seek him, as well in times of old as in the time that he should manifest himself unto the children of men.

Who ...should manifest himself unto the children of men? Can the language be any clearer?

Did Nephi also bow to this messenger I wonder and leave that part out?

I didn't realize this in my email exchange until posting this, but as my friend shared verses 17 and 18, one of my favorite scriptures (top 2) follows

19 For he that diligently seeketh shall find; and the mysteries of God shall be unfolded unto them, by the power of the Holy Ghost, as well in these times as in times of old, and as well in times of old as in times to come; wherefore, the course of the Lord is one eternal round.

Those on these forums who like to say what the mysteries aren't or can't be are of the same spirit of the pharisees of whom Jesus declared neither go in nor allow to go in. But what is the power of the Holy Ghost? In John 16, we read that judgement is at least one aspect of this power:

John 16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.

8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:

9 Of sin, because they believe not on me;

10 Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more;

11 Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.


1 Nephi 10 continued

20 Therefore remember, O man, for all thy doings thou shalt be brought into judgment.

.... ..... !

21 Wherefore, if ye have sought to do wickedly in the days of your probation, then ye are found unclean before the judgment-seat of God; and no unclean thing can dwell with God; wherefore, ye must be cast off forever.


Wow, Nephi clearly already had his vision that begins in chapter 11 before writing chapter 10. Who ....sitteth upon the throne in Revelation? What is the throne if not the judgement-seat?

22 And the Holy Ghost giveth authority that I should speak these things, and deny them not.

I'm sorry - who ... gave Nephi authority here to speak? And who purchased that right by blood and by sacrifice?

Think of the Donkey - and the Colt while listening to this:

Alaris wrote: ↑October 15th, 2019, 9:19 pm my dear friend emailed me 1 Nephi 10:17-18 and gave no commentary for no commentary was needed. I saw what he saw and we see eye to eye and rejoice.


1 Nephi 10:17 And it came to pass after I, Nephi, having heard all the words of my father, concerning the things which he saw in a vision, and also the things which he spake by the power of the Holy Ghost, which power he received by faith on the Son of God—and the Son of God was the Messiah who should come—I, Nephi, was desirous also that I might see, and hear, and know of these things, by the power of the Holy Ghost, which is the gift of God unto all those who diligently seek him, as well in times of old as in the time that he should manifest himself unto the children of men.

18 For he is the same yesterday, today, and forever; and the way is prepared for all men from the foundation of the world, if it so be that they repent and come unto him.

So, as I've already shared in this thread, Nephi saw stuff - knew things. He shared what He saw about Jesus, yet when Nephi is about to share more he's forbidden. Then he just randomly names the angel of the Lord before and after said forbidding.

1 Nephi 14:24 And behold, the things which this apostle of the Lamb shall write are many things which thou hast seen; and behold, the remainder shalt thou see.

25 But the things which thou shalt see hereafter thou shalt not write; for the Lord God hath ordained the apostle of the Lamb of God that he should write them.


.... ! . ... The Book of Revelation is ALL ABOUT the one who sitteth upon the throne - the eighth angel who casts down the golden scepter, who declares the 144,000 must be sealed first, who imprisons the adversary, and is exalted on high given the title King of Kings and Lord of Lords. So Nephi ... . sees all that stuff. Notice Nephi's language!!! Look! See!


26 And also others who have been, to them hath he shown all things, and they have written them; and they are sealed up to come forth in their purity, according to the truth which is in the Lamb, in the own due time of the Lord, unto the house of Israel.

27 And I, Nephi, heard and bear record, that the name of the apostle of the Lamb was John, according to the word of the angel.

28 And behold, I, Nephi, am forbidden that I should write the remainder of the things which I saw and heard; wherefore the things which I have written sufficeth me; and I have written but a small part of the things which I saw.

29 And I bear record that I saw the things which my father saw, and the angel of the Lord did make them known unto me.

30 And now I make an end of speaking concerning the things which I saw while I was carried away in the Spirit; and if all the things which I saw are not written, the things which I have written are true. And thus it is. Amen.

The Angel of the Lord Nephi? The same Angel of the Lord John worships ... twice? How has nobody put this together before!? It's like a great spirit of deep sleep has been upon us all.


1 Nephi 10:17 And it came to pass after I, Nephi, having heard all the words of my father, concerning the things which he saw in a vision, and also the things which he spake by the power of the Holy Ghost, which power he received by faith on the Son of God—and the Son of God was the Messiah who should come—I, Nephi, was desirous also that I might see, and hear, and know of these things, by the power of the Holy Ghost, which is the gift of God unto all those who diligently seek him, as well in times of old as in the time that he should manifest himself unto the children of men.

So pardon my goofy mood, as if it wasn't already apparent in the "Heavenly Mother, Are you really there?" thread. I am watching Star Trek 2009, sothe response to the above scripture played out in my mind in Spock's voice.

"It's now clear to me that the only logical conclusion is that before writing chapter 10, Nephi had his visionary experience regarding the mysteries of the Holy Ghost, which is detailed in chapters 11-14!"

1 Nephi 10:17 ...which power he received by faith on the Son of God—and the Son of God was the Messiah who should come—

Is that one Son of God or two?

The power of the Holy Ghost, which is the gift of God unto all those who diligently seek him, as well in times of old as in the time that he should manifest himself unto the children of men.

Who ...should manifest himself unto the children of men? Can the language be any clearer?

Did Nephi also bow to this messenger I wonder and leave that part out?

I didn't realize this in my email exchange until posting this, but as my friend shared verses 17 and 18, one of my favorite scriptures (top 2) follows

19 For he that diligently seeketh shall find; and the mysteries of God shall be unfolded unto them, by the power of the Holy Ghost, as well in these times as in times of old, and as well in times of old as in times to come; wherefore, the course of the Lord is one eternal round.

Those on these forums who like to say what the mysteries aren't or can't be are of the same spirit of the pharisees of whom Jesus declared neither go in nor allow to go in. But what is the power of the Holy Ghost? In John 16, we read that judgement is at least one aspect of this power:

John 16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.

8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:

9 Of sin, because they believe not on me;

10 Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more;

11 Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.


1 Nephi 10 continued

20 Therefore remember, O man, for all thy doings thou shalt be brought into judgment.

.... ..... !

21 Wherefore, if ye have sought to do wickedly in the days of your probation, then ye are found unclean before the judgment-seat of God; and no unclean thing can dwell with God; wherefore, ye must be cast off forever.


Wow, Nephi clearly already had his vision that begins in chapter 11 before writing chapter 10. Who ....sitteth upon the throne in Revelation? What is the throne if not the judgement-seat?

22 And the Holy Ghost giveth authority that I should speak these things, and deny them not.

I'm sorry - who ... gave Nephi authority here to speak? And who purchased that right by blood and by sacrifice?

Think of the Donkey - and the Colt while listening to this:

I rejoice with you. I truly don't understand how no one has put it together either. It's all over his vision in the VERY FIRST BOOK of the Book of Mormon. He comes out and says the Angel of the Lord is the Holy Ghost at least three times. He says it in 10:17, as you shared. He also does it in ch. 11, as I mentioned a page back.

1 Nephi 11:6 And when I had spoken these words, the Spirit cried with a loud voice, saying: Hosanna to the Lord, the most high God; for he is God over all the earth, yea, even above all. And blessed art thou, Nephi, because thou believest in the Son of the most high God; wherefore, thou shalt behold the things which thou hast desired.

7 And behold this thing shall be given unto thee for a sign, that after thou hast beheld the tree which bore the fruit which thy father tasted, thou shalt also behold a man descending out of heaven, and him shall ye witness; and after ye have witnessed him ye shall bear record that it is the Son of God.

14 And it came to pass that I saw the heavens open; and an angel came down and stood before me; and he said unto me: Nephi, what beholdest thou?

He says it is the exact same vision as John's. He's taken on a tour by the same Angel. And he's given authority by the Holy Ghost, as you pointed out in 10:22.

Actually his tone changes between verses 19-20. That's been a mystery I've puzzled over for years. I remember writing this one in my scripture journal over 10 years ago. If we diligently seek these things, we will be shown them, as Nephi says (v19). This is a good desire and righteousness will bring you there. There's no mystery there. But he follows up this verse by threatening our spiritual lives (v20): "Therefore remember, O man, for all thy doings thou shalt be brought into judgment." Whoa, what? Why are you threatening me, Nephi? I'm desiring to do a good thing and be diligent here. Why are we discussing my wickedness and judgment?

Your insight tonight is unlocking this question I've had for years now. I still don't totally get it, but you alluding to the Holy Ghost as the High Priest of the Aaronic Priesthood, the executor of judgment and destruction, clearly has something to do with Nephi's abrupt gear shift.

And yes I've always felt like he was going back 20-40 years later to record these things on the plates. He's seen everything and pondered it for years. He was probably bursting to just come out and say things even more blatantly than he already did.

Also I've gone back and watched that Yom Kippur video you shared at least three times. Showed it to my family on Sunday. It could not be more clear who the High Priest and the second goat represents. He is the applyer (sp?) of the Savior's blood. He works hand-in-hand with Jesus to enable us to approach the throne of God. There is no other way.

Robbinius wrote: ↑October 16th, 2019, 1:14 am

Alaris wrote: ↑October 15th, 2019, 9:19 pm my dear friend emailed me 1 Nephi 10:17-18 and gave no commentary for no commentary was needed. I saw what he saw and we see eye to eye and rejoice.


1 Nephi 10:17 And it came to pass after I, Nephi, having heard all the words of my father, concerning the things which he saw in a vision, and also the things which he spake by the power of the Holy Ghost, which power he received by faith on the Son of God—and the Son of God was the Messiah who should come—I, Nephi, was desirous also that I might see, and hear, and know of these things, by the power of the Holy Ghost, which is the gift of God unto all those who diligently seek him, as well in times of old as in the time that he should manifest himself unto the children of men.

18 For he is the same yesterday, today, and forever; and the way is prepared for all men from the foundation of the world, if it so be that they repent and come unto him.

So, as I've already shared in this thread, Nephi saw stuff - knew things. He shared what He saw about Jesus, yet when Nephi is about to share more he's forbidden. Then he just randomly names the angel of the Lord before and after said forbidding.

1 Nephi 14:24 And behold, the things which this apostle of the Lamb shall write are many things which thou hast seen; and behold, the remainder shalt thou see.

25 But the things which thou shalt see hereafter thou shalt not write; for the Lord God hath ordained the apostle of the Lamb of God that he should write them.


.... ! . ... The Book of Revelation is ALL ABOUT the one who sitteth upon the throne - the eighth angel who casts down the golden scepter, who declares the 144,000 must be sealed first, who imprisons the adversary, and is exalted on high given the title King of Kings and Lord of Lords. So Nephi ... . sees all that stuff. Notice Nephi's language!!! Look! See!


26 And also others who have been, to them hath he shown all things, and they have written them; and they are sealed up to come forth in their purity, according to the truth which is in the Lamb, in the own due time of the Lord, unto the house of Israel.

27 And I, Nephi, heard and bear record, that the name of the apostle of the Lamb was John, according to the word of the angel.

28 And behold, I, Nephi, am forbidden that I should write the remainder of the things which I saw and heard; wherefore the things which I have written sufficeth me; and I have written but a small part of the things which I saw.

29 And I bear record that I saw the things which my father saw, and the angel of the Lord did make them known unto me.

30 And now I make an end of speaking concerning the things which I saw while I was carried away in the Spirit; and if all the things which I saw are not written, the things which I have written are true. And thus it is. Amen.

The Angel of the Lord Nephi? The same Angel of the Lord John worships ... twice? How has nobody put this together before!? It's like a great spirit of deep sleep has been upon us all.


1 Nephi 10:17 And it came to pass after I, Nephi, having heard all the words of my father, concerning the things which he saw in a vision, and also the things which he spake by the power of the Holy Ghost, which power he received by faith on the Son of God—and the Son of God was the Messiah who should come—I, Nephi, was desirous also that I might see, and hear, and know of these things, by the power of the Holy Ghost, which is the gift of God unto all those who diligently seek him, as well in times of old as in the time that he should manifest himself unto the children of men.

So pardon my goofy mood, as if it wasn't already apparent in the "Heavenly Mother, Are you really there?" thread. I am watching Star Trek 2009, sothe response to the above scripture played out in my mind in Spock's voice.

"It's now clear to me that the only logical conclusion is that before writing chapter 10, Nephi had his visionary experience regarding the mysteries of the Holy Ghost, which is detailed in chapters 11-14!"

1 Nephi 10:17 ...which power he received by faith on the Son of God—and the Son of God was the Messiah who should come—

Is that one Son of God or two?

The power of the Holy Ghost, which is the gift of God unto all those who diligently seek him, as well in times of old as in the time that he should manifest himself unto the children of men.

Who ...should manifest himself unto the children of men? Can the language be any clearer?

Did Nephi also bow to this messenger I wonder and leave that part out?

I didn't realize this in my email exchange until posting this, but as my friend shared verses 17 and 18, one of my favorite scriptures (top 2) follows

19 For he that diligently seeketh shall find; and the mysteries of God shall be unfolded unto them, by the power of the Holy Ghost, as well in these times as in times of old, and as well in times of old as in times to come; wherefore, the course of the Lord is one eternal round.

Those on these forums who like to say what the mysteries aren't or can't be are of the same spirit of the pharisees of whom Jesus declared neither go in nor allow to go in. But what is the power of the Holy Ghost? In John 16, we read that judgement is at least one aspect of this power:

John 16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.

8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:

9 Of sin, because they believe not on me;

10 Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more;

11 Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.


1 Nephi 10 continued

20 Therefore remember, O man, for all thy doings thou shalt be brought into judgment.

.... ..... !

21 Wherefore, if ye have sought to do wickedly in the days of your probation, then ye are found unclean before the judgment-seat of God; and no unclean thing can dwell with God; wherefore, ye must be cast off forever.


Wow, Nephi clearly already had his vision that begins in chapter 11 before writing chapter 10. Who ....sitteth upon the throne in Revelation? What is the throne if not the judgement-seat?

22 And the Holy Ghost giveth authority that I should speak these things, and deny them not.

I'm sorry - who ... gave Nephi authority here to speak? And who purchased that right by blood and by sacrifice?

Think of the Donkey - and the Colt while listening to this:

I rejoice with you. I truly don't understand how no one has put it together either. It's all over his vision in the VERY FIRST BOOK of the Book of Mormon. He comes out and says the Angel of the Lord is the Holy Ghost at least three times. He says it in 10:17, as you shared. He also does it in ch. 11, as I mentioned a page back.

1 Nephi 11:6 And when I had spoken these words, the Spirit cried with a loud voice, saying: Hosanna to the Lord, the most high God; for he is God over all the earth, yea, even above all. And blessed art thou, Nephi, because thou believest in the Son of the most high God; wherefore, thou shalt behold the things which thou hast desired.

7 And behold this thing shall be given unto thee for a sign, that after thou hast beheld the tree which bore the fruit which thy father tasted, thou shalt also behold a man descending out of heaven, and him shall ye witness; and after ye have witnessed him ye shall bear record that it is the Son of God.

14 And it came to pass that I saw the heavens open; and an angel came down and stood before me; and he said unto me: Nephi, what beholdest thou?

He says it is the exact same vision as John's. He's taken on a tour by the same Angel. And he's given authority by the Holy Ghost, as you pointed out in 10:22.

Actually his tone changes between verses 19-20. That's been a mystery I've puzzled over for years. I remember writing this one in my scripture journal over 10 years ago. If we diligently seek these things, we will be shown them, as Nephi says (v19). This is a good desire and righteousness will bring you there. There's no mystery there. But he follows up this verse by threatening our spiritual lives (v20): "Therefore remember, O man, for all thy doings thou shalt be brought into judgment." Whoa, what? Why are you threatening me, Nephi? I'm desiring to do a good thing and be diligent here. Why are we discussing my wickedness and judgment?

Your insight tonight is unlocking this question I've had for years now. I still don't totally get it, but you alluding to the Holy Ghost as the High Priest of the Aaronic Priesthood, the executor of judgment and destruction, clearly has something to do with Nephi's abrupt gear shift.

And yes I've always felt like he was going back 20-40 years later to record these things on the plates. He's seen everything and pondered it for years. He was probably bursting to just come out and say things even more blatantly than he already did.

Also I've gone back and watched that Yom Kippur video you shared at least three times. Showed it to my family on Sunday. It could not be more clear who the High Priest and the second goat represents. He is the applyer (sp?) of the Savior's blood. He works hand-in-hand with Jesus to enable us to approach the throne of God. There is no other way.

All well and good, but imo, what is meant by the eighth angel is not being picked up on. In Revelation Jesus is the Lamb comprised of Jesus and seven Spirits of God. All of them, "sent forth into all the earth". So eight get sent forth (incarnate) upon the earth. The eighth angel simply is the last Spirit of God to be born upon the earth.

Robbinius wrote: ↑October 16th, 2019, 1:14 am I rejoice with you. I truly don't understand how no one has put it together either. It's all over his vision in the VERY FIRST BOOK of the Book of Mormon. He comes out and says the Angel of the Lord is the Holy Ghost at least three times. He says it in 10:17, as you shared. He also does it in ch. 11, as I mentioned a page back.

Though my heart reaches out to those whose testimonies are stretched thin, whether it be over polygamy or whether it be the recent changes, there are so many layers of additional depth here of which more than % 99.99 of our membership is unaware. You'd think there'd be one scripture here or there that would make the case for this mystery to disappear. On the contrary, each prophet has carefully worded their prophecies to account for the heir of Jesus Christ. Then, add in how many apocryphal works that confirm this truth?

Apocalypse of Abraham
1 Enoch
3 Enoch (still need to read 2 Enoch lol)
Apocalypse of Thomas
Discourse on Abbaton
Testament of Levi
Vision of Paul

I'm sure I'm forgetting a few - but they all speak of the end times heir. Many of these associate him with the number 8. Most - if not all - confirm the hidden aspect of this angel.

Then the parable of the vineyard just magically fits this truth as well where the parable describes the relationship between two individuals - Master of the Vineyard, Jesus Christ and the servant of the Vineyard - the Angel of the Lord who is the Davidic Heir to the Davidic Covenant of inheritance where the Master becomes father to the servant who becomes son. How many see this now I wonder? A half a dozen individuals? A dozen? The enormity of this revelation cannot be overstated. This is the secret that has been kept since the beginning of time.

I've had probably over a half dozen individuals reach out to me thinking they're this servant! Think about this! So, maybe a half dozen to a dozen folks that I know of are awake to this truth, and about the same number think they're this person??? Now, I know it's not a 1:1 for many folks have claimed to be the OMAS over the years without having any clue that the OMAS is the heir of the Davidic Covenant who will fulfill the fall festivals and be unveiled (wearing red) before the Second Coming of Jesus Christ. Still .... you'd think given the amount of folks who aren't aware of the Davidic Servant at all .... the devil's hand in this is plain.

Robbinius wrote: ↑October 16th, 2019, 1:14 am 1 Nephi 11:6 And when I had spoken these words, the Spirit cried with a loud voice, saying: Hosanna to the Lord, the most high God; for he is God over all the earth, yea, even above all. And blessed art thou, Nephi, because thou believest in the Son of the most high God; wherefore, thou shalt behold the things which thou hast desired.

7 And behold this thing shall be given unto thee for a sign, that after thou hast beheld the tree which bore the fruit which thy father tasted, thou shalt also behold a man descending out of heaven, and him shall ye witness; and after ye have witnessed him ye shall bear record that it is the Son of God.

14 And it came to pass that I saw the heavens open; and an angel came down and stood before me; and he said unto me: Nephi, what beholdest thou?

He says it is the exact same vision as John's. He's taken on a tour by the same Angel. And he's given authority by the Holy Ghost, as you pointed out in 10:22.

I was watching the video of "Worthy is the Lamb" I posted yesterday from Handel's Messiah. I'm watching these beautiful saints sing worship to our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ - and rightly so. How many of them do you think know they're singing about two individuals? Zero?

Revelation 5:12 Saying with a loud voice, Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honour, and glory, and blessing.

13 And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever.

And at the end, they're singing "Amen" - do they realize that "Amen" signifies? Jesus has secured His heir's eternal crown and throne. This is what the Davidic Covenant is - a love story between a father and a son. All of Jesus references to His father suggests this eternal pattern. "I'm only doing what I saw my father do," said Jesus. "I'm only doing what I saw my father do .... for me," is what Jesus' heir will say.

12 He shall build me an house, and I will stablish his throne for ever.

13 I will be his father, and he shall be my son: and I will not take my mercy away from him, as I took it from him that was before thee:

14 But I will settle him in mine house and in my kingdom for ever: and his throne shall be established for evermore.

This covenant is central to the Atonement of Jesus Christ - the Atonement is for us all, but like you said about the Yom Kippur video, the relationship between the Lord, His sacrifice, and His high priest is clear. This is why the high priest atones for himself first. Then his house. Then Israel.

Robbinius wrote: ↑October 16th, 2019, 1:14 am Actually his tone changes between verses 19-20. That's been a mystery I've puzzled over for years. I remember writing this one in my scripture journal over 10 years ago. If we diligently seek these things, we will be shown them, as Nephi says (v19). This is a good desire and righteousness will bring you there. There's no mystery there. But he follows up this verse by threatening our spiritual lives (v20): "Therefore remember, O man, for all thy doings thou shalt be brought into judgment." Whoa, what? Why are you threatening me, Nephi? I'm desiring to do a good thing and be diligent here. Why are we discussing my wickedness and judgment?

Right? But now it's clear! He's trying to tell us as much as he can about the forbidden mystery without spilling the beans.

Robbinius wrote: ↑October 16th, 2019, 1:14 am Your insight tonight is unlocking this question I've had for years now. I still don't totally get it, but you alluding to the Holy Ghost as the High Priest of the Aaronic Priesthood, the executor of judgment and destruction, clearly has something to do with Nephi's abrupt gear shift.

And yes I've always felt like he was going back 20-40 years later to record these things on the plates. He's seen everything and pondered it for years. He was probably bursting to just come out and say things even more blatantly than he already did.

I haven't even considered that, but I get the feeling based off Nephi's writings of fresh excitement. I mean, you've got to have this excitement in your veins to painfully transcribe many chapters of Isaiah across 1st and 2nd Nephi!

Robbinius wrote: ↑October 16th, 2019, 1:14 am Also I've gone back and watched that Yom Kippur video you shared at least three times. Showed it to my family on Sunday. It could not be more clear who the High Priest and the second goat represents. He is the applyer (sp?) of the Savior's blood. He works hand-in-hand with Jesus to enable us to approach the throne of God. There is no other way.

That's incredible. Don't you want to start grabbing folks by the shoulders and shout, "Don't you see!? Look!" I've tried talking to my own extended family about these things, but even when just touching the surface I get questions like, "Wait, isn't Jesus king?" ..............

"That they may always have his spirit to be with them" - The sacrament prayer points us forward to the fulfillment of Yom Kippur, the Feast of Trumpets, and the Feast of Tabernacles.

So, I probably should have explained this in my article "Son of Man" but the image I chose to headline the article is a picture of the Christus taken from behind the statue with the Roman temple in full view - and with the golden statue of the Angel Moroni at the precipice. Those of you who see eye to eye with me here can see how perfectly the truth of the one wearing red fits with the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Jesus isn't returning in power and glory to flex His might, He empowers His servant to exaltation and to power and might.

http://lordoftheseraphim.blogspot.com/2 ... f-man.html



1 Chronicles 17:12 He shall build me an house, and I will stablish his throne for ever.

13 I will be his father, and he shall be my son: and I will not take my mercy away from him, as I took it from him that was before thee:

14 But I will settle him in mine house and in my kingdom for ever: and his throne shall be established for evermore.

The gold associated with Solomon's temple and with the High Priest himself - the golden crown that reads "Holiness to the Lord" and the golden breastplate - the golden scepter, etc. - the golden ark - these are all linked of course - back to the Davidic Covenant which is about Lord Jehovah purchasing His heir.

Compare the "mercy" statement above to the parable of the prodigal son (as well as the servant songs that speak of the Lord's mercy to His servant)

Luke 15:24 For this my son was dead, and is alive again; he was lost, and is found. And they began to be merry.

31 And he said unto him, Son, thou art ever with me, and all that I have is thine.

32 It was meet that we should make merry, and be glad: for this thy brother was dead, and is alive again; and was lost, and is found.

How many of Jesus' parables tie back to the Davidic covenant I wonder?

Now consider what the "fulness of the Gospel" may mean. So many read these verses and think of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. But, how can we have the fullness if our church isn't fully restored? How can we have the fulness if we don't even have the fulness of the Priesthood among us? ... ah ... the fulness of the Priesthood means to be both priest and king which is what the Davidic Covenant is all about.

Consider for a moment that the fullness of the Gospel is the exaltation and eternal life of man. Consider the fullness of the Gospel may in fact be a person - a single person - rather than a church. Consider how these verses fit perfectly with the servant's rejection, marring, and subsequent exaltation where kings and nations will kneel.

10 And thus commandeth the Father that I should say unto you: At that day when the Gentiles shall sin against my gospel, and shall reject the fulness of my gospel, and shall be lifted up in the pride of their hearts above all nations, and above all the people of the whole earth, and shall be filled with all manner of lyings, and of deceits, and of mischiefs, and all manner of hypocrisy, and murders, and priestcrafts, and whoredoms, and of secret abominations; and if they shall do all those things, and shall reject the fulness of my gospel, behold, saith the Father, I will bring the fulness of my gospel from among them.

11 And then will I remember my covenant which I have made unto my people, O house of Israel, and I will bring my gospel unto them.

12 And I will show unto thee, O house of Israel, that the Gentiles shall not have power over you; but I will remember my covenant unto you, O house of Israel, and ye shall come unto the knowledge of the fulness of my gospel.

Does that include Ephraim? Many saints already consider the fact that we are identified with the gentiles here, but, well no. Ephraim is Ephraim is Ephraim - the bloodlines are present in our church. I can quote the prophets who confirm this. The blood of Israel > gentiles. The above verses speaks of the end of the time of the gentiles. Will the rejection of the fullness of the gospel be the rejection of a person rather than a church? The rejection of a messenger rather than a message?

Crazy?

Read on

Isaiah 49:5 ¶ And now, saith the Lord that formed me from the womb to be his servant, to bring Jacob again to him, Though Israel be not gathered, yet shall I be glorious in the eyes of the Lord, and my God shall be my strength.

6 And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth.

7 Thus saith the Lord, the Redeemer of Israel (Jesus), and his(possessive) Holy One (Holy Ghost), to him whom man despiseth, to him whom the nation abhorreth, to a servant of rulers, Kings shall see and arise, princes also shall worship, because of the Lord that is faithful, and the Holy One of Israel, and he shall choose thee.

8 Thus saith the Lord, In an acceptable time have I heard thee, and in a day of salvation have I helped thee: and I will preserve thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, to establish the earth, to cause to inherit the desolate heritages;

9 That thou mayest say to the prisoners, Go forth;(first resurrection) to them that are in darkness, Shew yourselves. They shall feed in the ways, and their pastures shall be in all high places.

10 They shall not hunger nor thirst; neither shall the heat nor sun smite them: for he that hath mercy on them shall lead them, even by the springs of water shall he guide them.

11 And I will make all my mountains a way, and my highways shall be exalted.

The fullness of the Priesthood is on display in verses 9 through 11. The power of resurrection. The power of creation - the very power by which this world was created.

The servant is told he is a light to the gentiles, but ultimately, the servant is rejected, and only the remnant is ultimately gathered.

Jesus continues to tell this story to the Nephites below:

3 Nephi 20:39 Verily, verily, I say unto you, that my people shall know my name;(ineffable name shared with the Angel of the Lord Exodus 23) yea, in that day they shall know that I am he that doth speak.(speak? the voice of the Lord is the Angel of the Lord)

40 And then shall they say: How beautiful upon the mountains are the feet of him that bringeth good tidings unto them, that publisheth peace; that bringeth good tidings unto them of good, that publisheth salvation; that saith unto Zion: Thy God reigneth!(thy God = the one who sits upon the throne - Ezekiel 37 - the news that a new God who has established his eternal crown and throne is the Gospel here)

41 And then shall a cry go forth: Depart ye, depart ye, go ye out from thence, touch not that which is unclean; go ye out of the midst of her; be ye clean that bear the vessels of the Lord.

42 For ye shall not go out with haste nor go by flight; for the Lord will go before you (Jesus promises His presence to lead the latter-day Exodus in D&C), and the God of Israel shall be your rearward. (He will be here in the flesh)

43 Behold, my servant shall deal prudently; he shall be exalted and extolled and be very high. (Didn't that seem random before? Wait, servant? Huh? Jesus isn't just quoting directly from Isaiah 52 - worthy of its own comparison & study)

44 As many were astonished at thee—his visage was so marred, more than any man, and his form more than the sons of men—

45 So shall he sprinkle many nations;(Yom Kippur) the kings shall shut their mouths at him, for that which had not been told them shall they see; and that which they had not heard shall they consider. (Restoration of all things)

46 Verily, verily, I say unto you, all these things shall surely come, even as the Father hath commanded me. Then shall this covenant which the Father hath covenanted with his people be fulfilled; and then shall Jerusalem be inhabited again with my people, and it shall be the land of their inheritance.

The Davidic Covenant is where all covenants lead. Eventually, all will have a direct Davidic Covenant of their own.

Isaiah 52:10 The Lord hath made bare his holy arm in the eyes of all the nations; and all the ends of the earth shall see the salvation of our God.

3 Nephi 20:35 The Father hath made bare his holy arm in the eyes of all the nations; and all the ends of the earth shall see the salvation of the Father; and the Father and I are one.

Notice the father / son exposition Jesus adds to Isaiah 52:10. There was a Davidic Covenant between Jesus and Elohim that established Jesus' unconditional sonship. Likewise ....

Alaris wrote: ↑October 16th, 2019, 7:19 pm So, I probably should have explained this in my article "Son of Man" but the image I chose to headline the article is a picture of the Christus taken from behind the statue with the Roman temple in full view - and with the golden statue of the Angel Moroni at the precipice. Those of you who see eye to eye with me here can see how perfectly the truth of the one wearing red fits with the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Jesus isn't returning in power and glory to flex His might, He empowers His servant to exaltation and to power and might.

http://lordoftheseraphim.blogspot.com/2 ... f-man.html



1 Chronicles 17:12 He shall build me an house, and I will stablish his throne for ever.

13 I will be his father, and he shall be my son: and I will not take my mercy away from him, as I took it from him that was before thee:

14 But I will settle him in mine house and in my kingdom for ever: and his throne shall be established for evermore.

The gold associated with Solomon's temple and with the High Priest himself - the golden crown that reads "Holiness to the Lord" and the golden breastplate - the golden scepter, etc. - the golden ark - these are all linked of course - back to the Davidic Covenant which is about Lord Jehovah purchasing His heir.

Compare the "mercy" statement above to the parable of the prodigal son (as well as the servant songs that speak of the Lord's mercy to His servant)

Luke 15:24 For this my son was dead, and is alive again; he was lost, and is found. And they began to be merry.

31 And he said unto him, Son, thou art ever with me, and all that I have is thine.

32 It was meet that we should make merry, and be glad: for this thy brother was dead, and is alive again; and was lost, and is found.

How many of Jesus' parables tie back to the Davidic covenant I wonder?

Now consider what the "fulness of the Gospel" may mean. So many read these verses and think of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. But, how can we have the fullness if our church isn't fully restored? How can we have the fulness if we don't even have the fulness of the Priesthood among us? ... ah ... the fulness of the Priesthood means to be both priest and king which is what the Davidic Covenant is all about.

Consider for a moment that the fullness of the Gospel is the exaltation and eternal life of man. Consider the fullness of the Gospel may in fact be a person - a single person - rather than a church. Consider how these verses fit perfectly with the servant's rejection, marring, and subsequent exaltation where kings and nations will kneel.

10 And thus commandeth the Father that I should say unto you: At that day when the Gentiles shall sin against my gospel, and shall reject the fulness of my gospel, and shall be lifted up in the pride of their hearts above all nations, and above all the people of the whole earth, and shall be filled with all manner of lyings, and of deceits, and of mischiefs, and all manner of hypocrisy, and murders, and priestcrafts, and whoredoms, and of secret abominations; and if they shall do all those things, and shall reject the fulness of my gospel, behold, saith the Father, I will bring the fulness of my gospel from among them.

11 And then will I remember my covenant which I have made unto my people, O house of Israel, and I will bring my gospel unto them.

12 And I will show unto thee, O house of Israel, that the Gentiles shall not have power over you; but I will remember my covenant unto you, O house of Israel, and ye shall come unto the knowledge of the fulness of my gospel.

Does that include Ephraim? Many saints already consider the fact that we are identified with the gentiles here, but, well no. Ephraim is Ephraim is Ephraim - the bloodlines are present in our church. I can quote the prophets who confirm this. The blood of Israel > gentiles. The above verses speaks of the end of the time of the gentiles. Will the rejection of the fullness of the gospel be the rejection of a person rather than a church? The rejection of a messenger rather than a message?

Crazy?

Read on

Isaiah 49:5 ¶ And now, saith the Lord that formed me from the womb to be his servant, to bring Jacob again to him, Though Israel be not gathered, yet shall I be glorious in the eyes of the Lord, and my God shall be my strength.

6 And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth.

7 Thus saith the Lord, the Redeemer of Israel (Jesus), and his(possessive) Holy One (Holy Ghost), to him whom man despiseth, to him whom the nation abhorreth, to a servant of rulers, Kings shall see and arise, princes also shall worship, because of the Lord that is faithful, and the Holy One of Israel, and he shall choose thee.

8 Thus saith the Lord, In an acceptable time have I heard thee, and in a day of salvation have I helped thee: and I will preserve thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, to establish the earth, to cause to inherit the desolate heritages;

9 That thou mayest say to the prisoners, Go forth;(first resurrection) to them that are in darkness, Shew yourselves. They shall feed in the ways, and their pastures shall be in all high places.

10 They shall not hunger nor thirst; neither shall the heat nor sun smite them: for he that hath mercy on them shall lead them, even by the springs of water shall he guide them.

11 And I will make all my mountains a way, and my highways shall be exalted.

The fullness of the Priesthood is on display in verses 9 through 11. The power of resurrection. The power of creation - the very power by which this world was created.

The servant is told he is a light to the gentiles, but ultimately, the servant is rejected, and only the remnant is ultimately gathered.

Jesus continues to tell this story to the Nephites below:

3 Nephi 20:39 Verily, verily, I say unto you, that my people shall know my name;(ineffable name shared with the Angel of the Lord Exodus 23) yea, in that day they shall know that I am he that doth speak.(speak? the voice of the Lord is the Angel of the Lord)

40 And then shall they say: How beautiful upon the mountains are the feet of him that bringeth good tidings unto them, that publisheth peace; that bringeth good tidings unto them of good, that publisheth salvation; that saith unto Zion: Thy God reigneth!(thy God = the one who sits upon the throne - Ezekiel 37 - the news that a new God who has established his eternal crown and throne is the Gospel here)

41 And then shall a cry go forth: Depart ye, depart ye, go ye out from thence, touch not that which is unclean; go ye out of the midst of her; be ye clean that bear the vessels of the Lord.

42 For ye shall not go out with haste nor go by flight; for the Lord will go before you (Jesus promises His presence to lead the latter-day Exodus in D&C), and the God of Israel shall be your rearward. (He will be here in the flesh)

43 Behold, my servant shall deal prudently; he shall be exalted and extolled and be very high. (Didn't that seem random before? Wait, servant? Huh? Jesus isn't just quoting directly from Isaiah 52 - worthy of its own comparison & study)

44 As many were astonished at thee—his visage was so marred, more than any man, and his form more than the sons of men—

45 So shall he sprinkle many nations;(Yom Kippur) the kings shall shut their mouths at him, for that which had not been told them shall they see; and that which they had not heard shall they consider. (Restoration of all things)

46 Verily, verily, I say unto you, all these things shall surely come, even as the Father hath commanded me. Then shall this covenant which the Father hath covenanted with his people be fulfilled; and then shall Jerusalem be inhabited again with my people, and it shall be the land of their inheritance.

The Davidic Covenant is where all covenants lead. Eventually, all will have a direct Davidic Covenant of their own.

Isaiah 52:10 The Lord hath made bare his holy arm in the eyes of all the nations; and all the ends of the earth shall see the salvation of our God.

3 Nephi 20:35 The Father hath made bare his holy arm in the eyes of all the nations; and all the ends of the earth shall see the salvation of the Father; and the Father and I are one.

Notice the father / son exposition Jesus adds to Isaiah 52:10. There was a Davidic Covenant between Jesus and Elohim that established Jesus' unconditional sonship. Likewise ....

Seems you have proven who the Davidic Servant is.

Isaiah 49:8 Thus saith the LORD, In an acceptable time have I heard thee, and in a day of salvation have I helped thee: and I will preserve thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, to establish the earth, to cause to inherit the desolate heritages;

Isaiah 49:9 That thou mayest say to the prisoners, Go forth; to them that are in darkness, Shew yourselves. They shall feed in the ways, and their pastures shall be in all high places.

Malachi 3:1 Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the LORD, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the LORD of hosts.

Daniel 12:1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

Micah 5:4 And he shall stand and feed in the strength of the LORD, in the majesty of the name of the LORD his God; and they shall abide: for now shall he be great unto the ends of the earth.

Revelation 12:10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ (anointed): for the accuser of our brethren is cast down (by MICHAEL TGP), which accused them before our God day and night.

It's high time for a bump here. I wanted to post some thoughts I had last night. My wife and I experienced a highly synchronous event on Sunday as we converged to discuss our personal study of the day. We had both been led to study D&C 45. She started finishing my sandwiches ... er sentences as I read through and shared my impressions.

D&C 45 - the whole section - is wonderful and confirms this amazing interaction between the Lord Jesus Christ and his servant, the Angel of the Lord who is the Messenger of Salvation & the recipient of the Davidic Covenant. "I will be his Father. He shall be my son." The High Priest of Israel points to this office - the golden crown representing the crown of exaltation given to all who embark on this process. "Thus all may become my sons" Jehovah says to Moses as he beholds Adam's sealing promise.

Bear in mind that Yom Kippur is unfulfilled. Who will stand for the High Priest of Israel on the actual day of Atonement. What will the High Priest say?

D&C 45:1 Hearken, O ye people of my church, to whom the kingdom has been given; hearken ye and give ear to him who laid the foundation of the earth, who made the heavens and all the hosts thereof, and by whom all things were made which live, and move, and have a being.

2 And again I say, hearken unto my voice, lest death shall overtake you; in an hour when ye think not the summer shall be past, and the harvest ended, and your souls not saved.

3 Listen to him who is the advocate with the Father, who is pleading your cause before him—

4 Saying: Father, behold the sufferings and death of him who did no sin, in whom thou wast well pleased; behold the blood of thy Son which was shed, the blood of him whom thou gavest that thyself might be glorified;

Who is the advocate for the father? Is Jesus speaking here after "saying." Is Jesus speaking of Himself in the third person? Or, rather, is this the Angel of the Lord - the Holy Ghost - pleading with the Father to behold the suffering of Him who did no sin.

Hearken back to John 14 - 16 as Jesus begins to unfold the mystery of the "Comforter" to His disciples in these exclusive discussions revealed to us by John.

What does Comforter mean again?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paraclete

The word parakletos is a verbal adjective, often used of one called to help in a lawcourt.

The word translated to "Comforter" is actually Parakletos which means legal advocate.

"Listen to him who is the advocate with the Father, who is pleading your cause before him." Is Jesus speaking of Himself here? Verily, no.

John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.


But the ADVOCATE, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

Surely that's not the same individual as the Elias who will restore all things?

John 16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter (ADVOCATE) will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.

8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:


How have we so been blind to this scripture? The Holy Ghost is the advocate. When he comes he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgement. This is the servant, in the hands of Jesus who is both of Ephraim and of Jesse. The Davidic heir. The King who judges and who returns Israel to God on the day of Atonement who wears the golden crown of exaltation that reads: "Holiness to the Lord." The house of the Lord.

Isaiah 11:1 And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots:

2 And the spirit of the Lord shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the Lord;

3 And shall make him of quick understanding in the fear of the Lord: and he shall not judge after the sight of his eyes, neither reprove after the hearing of his ears:

4 But with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth: and he shall smite the earth with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked.

5 And righteousness shall be the girdle of his loins, and faithfulness the girdle of his reins.

Let's return to D&C 45 - next verse:

5 Wherefore, Father, spare these my brethren that believe on my name, that they may come unto me and have everlasting life.

This is still the same orator - the advocate. Wait, believe on the name of the Holy Ghost? Surely this must be Jesus rather than the Holy Ghost right?

Exodus 23:20 ¶ Behold, I send an Angel before thee, to keep thee in the way, and to bring thee into the place which I have prepared.

21 Beware of him, and obey his voice, provoke him not; for he will not pardon your transgressions: for my name is in him.

22 But if thou shalt indeed obey his voice, and do all that I speak; then I will be an enemy unto thine enemies, and an adversary unto thine adversaries.
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27 I will send my fear before thee, and will destroy all the people to whom thou shalt come, and I will make all thine enemies turn their backs unto thee. (Discourse on Abbaton)


So, of which name is the advocate speaking? The name that Jesus bears or the name that the Holy Ghost bears? Yes. They are one and the same. Hallelujah - Amen, HalleluJAH. JAHovah. JAHoel. The Angel of the Lord. Hallelujah is meant to sing praises to the ineffable name and has at least two bearers of such. What's in a name? What name do you bear?

Spare these my brethren that believe on my name. Can we reject the Lord's heir who bears His name and accept Jesus? This is the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost. The Gift of the Holy Ghost was the greatest of all the singular gifts purchased by the blood of Jesus Christ. Receive the Holy Ghost & receive the Lord Jesus Christ. When Jesus refers to "my voice" he's speaking of the Angel of the Lord who is sometimes called "The voice of the Lord" in the Old Testament.

If you're still reading this and haven't tossed this all aside in disbelief, consider the fact that many believe the servant of Isaiah is Jesus Christ rather than the Davidic Servant / Angel of the Lord / Holy Ghost. Even though Jehovah is speaking to His servant - and not Himself - a clear case can be made in Isaiah alone that this servant is imperfect, is the Angel of the Lord, and is the Holy Spirit. Combined with other scriptures - just in the Bible - we can further solidify this servant is the recipient of the Davidic Covenant (Revelation 3) and is the PARAKLETOS / ADVOCATE of John 14-16.

However, with modern revelation, we can not only further cement the exclusive identity of the servant from His master but also underscore the prime importance of the role this servant plays in our lives.

3 Nephi 21:2 And behold, this is the thing which I will give unto you for a sign—for verily I say unto you that when these things which I declare unto you, and which I shall declare unto you hereafter of myself, and by the power of the Holy Ghost which shall be given unto you of the Father, shall be made known unto the Gentiles that they may know concerning this people who are a remnant of the house of Jacob, and concerning this my people who shall be scattered by them;

3 Verily, verily, I say unto you, when these things shall be made known unto them of the Father, and shall come forth of the Father, from them unto you;

4 For it is wisdom in the Father that they should be established in this land, and be set up as a free people by the power of the Father, that these things might come forth from them unto a remnant of your seed, that the covenant of the Father may be fulfilled which he hath covenanted with his people, O house of Israel;
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8 And when that day shall come, it shall come to pass that kings shall shut their mouths; for that which had not been told them shall they see; and that which they had not heard shall they consider.

So as the Lord tells the Nephites / Lamanites that this land is promised unto Israel in the latter-days, He speaks of Isaiah in verse 8 which is a reference to the Davidic Servant.

9 For in that day, for my sake shall the Father work a work, which shall be a great and a marvelous work among them; and there shall be among them those who will not believe it, although a man shall declare it unto them.

10 But behold, the life of my servant shall be in my hand; therefore they shall not hurt him, although he shall be marred because of them. Yet I will heal him, for I will show unto them that my wisdom is greater than the cunning of the devil.

11 Therefore it shall come to pass that whosoever will not believe in my words, who am Jesus Christ, which the Father shall cause him to bring forth unto the Gentiles, and shall give unto him power that he shall bring them forth unto the Gentiles, (it shall be done even as Moses said) they shall be cut off from among my people who are of the covenant.


Here we have Jesus identify Himself clearly as a separate individual from the servant of Isaiah as he references the marring and the marvelous work and wonder. "Although a man shall declare it unto them" is not - NOT - Joseph Smith. Joseph Smith was never marred / healed as in verse 10, and, well, just read Isaiah and tell me that the Davidic Servant is Joseph Smith.

The marvelous work and wonder if not the Book of Mormon. How many future prophecies have we conveniently shoehorned into the past? Read Isaiah. During the servant's reign on Earth, Israel becomes a lion among sheep. Has this happened yet?

12 And my people who are a remnant of Jacob shall be among the Gentiles, yea, in the midst of them as a lion among the beasts of the forest, as a young lion among the flocks of sheep, who, if he go through both treadeth down and teareth in pieces, and none can deliver.
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20 For it shall come to pass, saith the Father, that at that day whosoever will not repent and come unto my Beloved Son, them will I cut off from among my people, O house of Israel;

Who is the Father? Elohim or Jesus? ... Yes. Who is Beloved (David?) Jesus or the Davidic Servant? Yes. The ineffable name.

28 Yea, and then shall the work commence, with the Father among all nations in preparing the way whereby his people may be gathered home to the land of their inheritance.

Read Isaiah. The servant is the gatherer of Israel and is made King over Israel.

Isaiah 49:6 And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth.

7 Thus saith the Lord,(Jahovah) the Redeemer of Israel, and his Holy One,(Holy ... Ghost) to him whom man despiseth, to him whom the nation abhorreth, to a servant of rulers, Kings shall see and arise, princes also shall worship, because of the Lord that is faithful, and the Holy One of Israel, and he shall choose thee.

OK read Ezekiel too.

Ezekiel 37:21 And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land:

22 And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all:

23 Neither shall they defile themselves any more with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions: but I will save them out of all their dwellingplaces, wherein they have sinned, and will cleanse them: so shall they be my people, and I will be their God.

24 And David my servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them.

25 And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, even they, and their children, and their children’s children for ever: and my servant David shall be their prince for ever.

26 Moreover I will make a covenant of peace with them; it shall be an everlasting covenant with them: and I will place them, and multiply them, and will set my sanctuary in the midst of them for evermore.

27 My tabernacle also shall be with them: yea, I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

28 And the heathen shall know that I the Lord do sanctify Israel, when my sanctuary shall be in the midst of them for evermore.


The Old Testament speaks of this new and everlasting covenant between Israel and their new God - the Holy Ghost who is named and revealed. See how this fits back in with D&C 45. Jesus is speaking again in verse 8:


8 I came unto mine own, and mine own received me not; but unto as many as received me gave I power to do many miracles, and to become the sons of God; and even unto them that believed on my name gave I power to obtain eternal life.

9 And even so I have sent mine everlasting covenant into the world, to be a light to the world, and to be a standard for my people, and for the Gentiles to seek to it, and to be a messenger before my face to prepare the way before me.

10 Wherefore, come ye unto it, and with him that cometh I will reason as with men in days of old, and I will show unto you my strong reasoning.

Wait, didn't Jehovah say His servant, who He hid in the shadow of His hand is a light to the gentiles and is a standard to Israel? Wait, isn't the end times Elias the one who goes before and prepares the way? Surely this can't all be the Holy Ghost / Davidic Servant / Elias / Angel of the Lord.....

It is what it is!

Just a note on the unforgivable sin. We now know that the coming of the Holy Ghost in bodily form, i.e. being born on earth, was yet future in Jesus' time.

Mark 3:28 Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme:

Mark 3:29 But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation.

It would thus seem that the time of the unforgivable sin is also yet future. Following is the unforgivable sin, imo.

Revelation 14:6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,

Revelation 14:7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.

Revelation 14:8 And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.

Revelation 14:9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,

Revelation 14:10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

Revelation 14:11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

I may have to correct a point I made in the "The Son of Man" article I published in recent months. I frequently ask folks to approach topics with an open mind, willing to sacrifice a prior understanding on the altar of new light and knowledge. It's only fair that I publicly admit when I'm wrong. Other(s) in this thread may have been right about "KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS" in Revelation 19, and I may have been wrong.

Do I have your attention? Fantastic. Read on.

First of all, props to DRC for sending me a link to this blog where this man has also figured out that the one wearing red is not Jesus Christ but the Lord's servant. I don't agree with everything in this article, but this man did point out that the name "King and Kings and Lord of Lords" is still a reference to Jesus Christ despite the man bearing the name being someone else.

https://mansjourneytogod.wordpress.com/ ... omment-163

OK, so the author in the above url links the name written in the thigh to Genesis 24 where a thigh is used in a covenant between two people. Before I share Genesis 24, consider the sacred garment and what the knee symbol represents. Guess what? Covenant. That's right, you will be (or not be depending on whether you wish to continue) bowing to the newly crowned King of Israel - the heir of the Davidic Covenant. "I will be his father and he shall be my son"

Genesis 24:2 And Abraham said unto his eldest servant of his house, that ruled over all that he had, Put, I pray thee, thy hand under my thigh:
3 And I will make thee swear by the Lord, the God of heaven, and the God of the earth, that thou shalt not take a wife unto my son of the daughters of the Canaanites, among whom I dwell:

So a covenant between Abraham, of all people, and the eldest servant is made by the thigh.

So, now let's return to Revelation and see if we can make sense of it all. Remember, the one wearing red says he's trodden the winepress alone - the red wine represents the blood of the enemies of Israel that is excised by the only one who can indeed claim to have trodden such alone. "I have trodden the winepress alone - the fierceness of the wrath of the almighty God." Only the Angel of the Lord can make this claim. On his winepress resume is the firstborn of Egypt, and 185,000 Assyrians in the days of Hezekiah. John realizes the angel delivering the message is the one wearing red, now exalted and he falls a the feet of the angel to worship him in this selfsame chapter. Without further ado:

Revelation 19:12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.


OK, so the one wearing red, that John just barely worshipped, has "a" name written. This isn't his name. This name isn't his name .....This is the Lord's new name.

The sixth message to the sixth angel of the sixth church is the Davidic message. Search earlier posts in this thread and you'll get a full breakdown. Add this post to that for a fuller breakdown, perhaps even a fullness of a breakdown save what that actual name is. The message from the Lord to the sixth angel tells him to hold fast to his crown that nobody take it - the davidic crown which is still conditional at that point. Revelation 19 is the crowning - unconditional. Does the one wearing red wear a crown? Yes. Yes he does. How has nobody connected this before? (linked gentleman above may be excluded, though I'm pretty sure he doesn't make this connection in that article.)

Revelation 3:11 Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.

In this same message, the Lord mentions the "key of David," the power of resurrection, and promises the angel that He will keep the angel from the hour of temptation (Davidic Covenant - I will not remove my mercy from him as a I did your (David's) forebear (Saul.)

Finally, the promised reward for overcoming this probationary rule:

Revelation 3:12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.

If I could underscore that word "write" three times I would.

Revelation 19:12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.


Boom.

I mean this is so obvious now. Hey sixth angel, if you overcome this level, I will write upon you a new name. *A few chapters later* John sees a man wearing red with a new name written on his thigh and worships the angel delivering the message ........ ! How is this hidden? How does Christianity think this man wearing red is Jesus? "Well Jesus is King of Kings and Lord of Lords" - OK! Touché! That's the name written on his thigh, but that's not his name. I mean, it says it right there! It's "a" name. Whose name is it? Who wrote it?

D&C 45:3 Listen to him who is the advocate with the Father, who is pleading your cause before him—

4 Saying: Father, behold the sufferings and death of him who did no sin, in whom thou wast well pleased; behold the blood of thy Son which was shed, the blood of him whom thou gavest that thyself might be glorified;

5 Wherefore, Father, spare these my brethren that believe on my name, that they may come unto me and have everlasting life.

6 Hearken, O ye people of my church, and ye elders listen together, and hear my voice while it is called today, and harden not your hearts;

7 For verily I say unto you that I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the light and the life of the world—a light that shineth in darkness and the darkness comprehendeth it not.

8 I came unto mine own, and mine own received me not; but unto as many as received me gave I power to do many miracles, and to become the sons of God; and even unto them that believed on my name gave I power to obtain eternal life.

9 And even so I have sent mine everlasting covenant into the world, to be a light to the world, and to be a standard for my people, and for the Gentiles to seek to it, and to be a messenger before my face to prepare the way before me.

10 Wherefore, come ye unto it, and with him that cometh I will reason as with men in days of old, and I will show unto you my strong reasoning.

11 Wherefore, hearken ye together and let me show unto you even my wisdom—the wisdom of him whom ye say is the God of Enoch, and his brethren,


There it is. The truth hiding in plain sight. Listen to him who is the advocate with the Father. This is the fulfillment of Yom Kippur - Jesus is not speaking of Himself in the third person. The ultimate high priest of Israel is speaking of the ultimate high priest of the Holy Order after the Son of God - the true relationship and interaction of this two priesthoods is revealed. In fact, this is how one traverses to become an unconditional inheritor - a true Son of God. And this bit won't be popular with the "only one mortality ever" folks but is nonetheless true. Just one man in this world becomes both king and priest. Just one. There are at least seven kings and priests who were made so before - each bearing the name of their father on their thighs. Do you see the implication of this understanding? These must be different fathers, else Revelation 19:12 is not true:

"a name written, that no man knew, but he himself."

There are indeed Lords many and Gods many, and these families ascend together across many, many worlds. A world is commissioned, and an heir must be chosen to sit upon the throne of another, in a probationary rule, to secure an everlasting crown (revelation) and name (Isaiah)

Joseph the Seer taught the following principle that the God & father of our Lord Jesus Christ was once the same as the Son or Holy Ghost but having redeemed a world he had a son Jesus Christ who redeemed this earth the same as his father had a world which made them equal & the Holy Ghost would to the same when in his turn & so would all the Saints who inherited a Celestial glory so their would be Gods many & Lords many their were many mansions even 12 from the abode of Devils to the Celestial glory. ~ Wilford Woodruff, Book of Revelations.

If you cannot run a donut shop, you cannot run a world. If you cannot run a world, you cannot reign over worlds.

So my wife and I went to the Temple last night for an endowment session. Many thoughts and impressions as I always feel I learn something new when I attend.

I mentioned in another thread how it stood out to me that women are anointed to become priestesses and queens to rule and reign over the House of Israel forever. The recent endowment change represents the lifting of these curses as we prepare for this time and season - the time and season of the Gathering of Israel which aligns to toke / sign # 3 (of 4), the 144,000 - Will the Priestesshood be restored as a part of the restoration of all things? It's not like it didn't exist before. It's not like there aren't already priestesses and queens - Eve is a Queen after all.

So, as I'm at the Chiropractor waiting to be popped today, I start pondering Revelation 3:12 and how it fits within the revelation 12 sign. In this other thread here I reference Bruce Porter's amazing "Book of Abraham" video and how he spends some time cementing the point that a mother is who chooses the heir. Egyptus started Egypt through her son, the first Pharoah. Just why is Abraham including this in his book (to us)? Hagar / Sarah is a division of birthright where the choice wife produces the birthright heir. Rebekah is slightly different in that she actually chooses the younger twin against Isaac's expectation and wishes - what an incredible insight this to eternal dominion and separation of powers / rights / responsibilities.

To this end, I've made points recently (in this thread I think) about how the Daughters of ZION and Jerusalem are called "she" and may symbolize both women and peoples (churches or congregations of people) just as the man child represents both king and kingdom.

D&C 113:7 Questions by Elias Higbee: What is meant by the command in Isaiah, 52d chapter, 1st verse, which saith: Put on thy strength, O Zion—and what people had Isaiah reference to?

8 He had reference to those whom God should call in the last days, who should hold the power of priesthood to bring again Zion, and the redemption of Israel; and to put on her strength is to put on the authority of the priesthood, which she, Zion, has a right to by lineage; also to return to that power which she had lost.9 What are we to understand by Zion loosing herself from the bands of her neck; 2d verse?

10 We are to understand that the scattered remnants are exhorted to return to the Lord from whence they have fallen; which if they do, the promise of the Lord is that he will speak to them, or give them revelation. See the 6th, 7th, and 8th verses. The bands of her neck are the curses of God upon her, or the remnants of Israel in their scattered condition among the Gentiles.


So in the above we have an answer about Isaiah 52 where ZION is both "She" and a "people" and that she must remove the curses of God upon her. So, did Eve take upon herself curses to start this world for our sake - and, is it the divine queen's role to loose these bands of the neck of her people? I've made this point before, but this next part is new to me ..... \

Consider the heavenly queen on 9/23 represents an actual woman. If the man child is the heir of Jesus Christ transitioning from manhood to godhood, and securing (nail in the secure place) his eternal right and unconditional reward ....

Jesus must have an heir to be a Father ... He can do nothing with "all the father hath" if He Himself is not a Father. So, who is the woman and to whom is she birthing the man child?

Now, consider that not only ZION but the capitols are called "she" throughout the Old Testament and the Doctrine and Covenants. Consider 9/23 may have been about the revelation of Heavenly Mother to the man child .... and now read these verses:

Revelation 3:11 Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.
12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.

JST (whole verse is JST) Revelation 12:3 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron; and her child was caught up unto God and his throne.


I've read Revelation 3:12 a zillion time - I have it memorized inadvertently. Has heavenly mother been hiding in that promise all along??? "I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem" - New Jerusalem is a she. Is this city named after Heavenly Mother? There is a Daughter of ZION - Is this the Mother of ZION?

Now consider "SHE" brings forth the man child. How ?

We know from Joseph Smith that the Holy Ghost is in a state of probation - does the Queen oversee the heirs-to-be who rule and reign in imperfection? "To rule and reign over the house of Israel" is the promised reward to women. Is she the Holy Ghost's counterpart in heaven overseeing his progress? Is there an intimate Mother-Son dynamic here? And is this Jehovah's wife? Is this Mary Magdalene? Is this too sacred for public consumption? Few seem to be reading what I write lately anyway ... =\

That's OK - in time all things will be revealed

Alaris wrote: ↑December 5th, 2019, 5:48 pm So my wife and I went to the Temple last night for an endowment session. Many thoughts and impressions as I always feel I learn something new when I attend.

I mentioned in another thread how it stood out to me that women are anointed to become priestesses and queens to rule and reign over the House of Israel forever. The recent endowment change represents the lifting of these curses as we prepare for this time and season - the time and season of the Gathering of Israel which aligns to toke / sign # 3 (of 4), the 144,000 - Will the Priestesshood be restored as a part of the restoration of all things? It's not like it didn't exist before. It's not like there aren't already priestesses and queens - Eve is a Queen after all.

So, as I'm at the Chiropractor waiting to be popped today, I start pondering Revelation 3:12 and how it fits within the revelation 12 sign. In this other thread here I reference Bruce Porter's amazing "Book of Abraham" video and how he spends some time cementing the point that a mother is who chooses the heir. Egyptus started Egypt through her son, the first Pharoah. Just why is Abraham including this in his book (to us)? Hagar / Sarah is a division of birthright where the choice wife produces the birthright heir. Rebekah is slightly different in that she actually chooses the younger twin against Isaac's expectation and wishes - what an incredible insight this to eternal dominion and separation of powers / rights / responsibilities.

To this end, I've made points recently (in this thread I think) about how the Daughters of ZION and Jerusalem are called "she" and may symbolize both women and peoples (churches or congregations of people) just as the man child represents both king and kingdom.

D&C 113:7 Questions by Elias Higbee: What is meant by the command in Isaiah, 52d chapter, 1st verse, which saith: Put on thy strength, O Zion—and what people had Isaiah reference to?

8 He had reference to those whom God should call in the last days, who should hold the power of priesthood to bring again Zion, and the redemption of Israel; and to put on her strength is to put on the authority of the priesthood, which she, Zion, has a right to by lineage; also to return to that power which she had lost.9 What are we to understand by Zion loosing herself from the bands of her neck; 2d verse?

10 We are to understand that the scattered remnants are exhorted to return to the Lord from whence they have fallen; which if they do, the promise of the Lord is that he will speak to them, or give them revelation. See the 6th, 7th, and 8th verses. The bands of her neck are the curses of God upon her, or the remnants of Israel in their scattered condition among the Gentiles.


So in the above we have an answer about Isaiah 52 where ZION is both "She" and a "people" and that she must remove the curses of God upon her. So, did Eve take upon herself curses to start this world for our sake - and, is it the divine queen's role to loose these bands of the neck of her people? I've made this point before, but this next part is new to me ..... \

Consider the heavenly queen on 9/23 represents an actual woman. If the man child is the heir of Jesus Christ transitioning from manhood to godhood, and securing (nail in the secure place) his eternal right and unconditional reward ....

Jesus must have an heir to be a Father ... He can do nothing with "all the father hath" if He Himself is not a Father. So, who is the woman and to whom is she birthing the man child?

Now, consider that not only ZION but the capitols are called "she" throughout the Old Testament and the Doctrine and Covenants. Consider 9/23 may have been about the revelation of Heavenly Mother to the man child .... and now read these verses:

Revelation 3:11 Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.
12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.

JST (whole verse is JST) Revelation 12:3 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron; and her child was caught up unto God and his throne.


I've read Revelation 3:12 a zillion time - I have it memorized inadvertently. Has heavenly mother been hiding in that promise all along??? "I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem" - New Jerusalem is a she. Is this city named after Heavenly Mother? There is a Daughter of ZION - Is this the Mother of ZION?

Now consider "SHE" brings forth the man child. How ?

We know from Joseph Smith that the Holy Ghost is in a state of probation - does the Queen oversee the heirs-to-be who rule and reign in imperfection? "To rule and reign over the house of Israel" is the promised reward to women. Is she the Holy Ghost's counterpart in heaven overseeing his progress? Is there an intimate Mother-Son dynamic here? And is this Jehovah's wife? Is this Mary Magdalene? Is this too sacred for public consumption? Few seem to be reading what I write lately anyway ... =\

That's OK - in time all things will be revealed

8 He had reference to those whom God should call in the last days, who should hold the power of priesthood to bring again Zion, and the redemption of Israel; and to put on her strength is to put on the authority of the priesthood, which she, Zion, has a right to by lineage; also to return to that power which she had lost

If I didn't know better I'd say there will indeed be a female ordination happening in the restoration of all things. It's right there in 113 for crying out loud.

Agreed that the names of the lands and cities are female as well. Absolutely Her name is invoked in 3:12.

Robbinius wrote: ↑December 5th, 2019, 6:02 pm

Alaris wrote: ↑December 5th, 2019, 5:48 pm So my wife and I went to the Temple last night for an endowment session. Many thoughts and impressions as I always feel I learn something new when I attend.

I mentioned in another thread how it stood out to me that women are anointed to become priestesses and queens to rule and reign over the House of Israel forever. The recent endowment change represents the lifting of these curses as we prepare for this time and season - the time and season of the Gathering of Israel which aligns to toke / sign # 3 (of 4), the 144,000 - Will the Priestesshood be restored as a part of the restoration of all things? It's not like it didn't exist before. It's not like there aren't already priestesses and queens - Eve is a Queen after all.

So, as I'm at the Chiropractor waiting to be popped today, I start pondering Revelation 3:12 and how it fits within the revelation 12 sign. In this other thread here I reference Bruce Porter's amazing "Book of Abraham" video and how he spends some time cementing the point that a mother is who chooses the heir. Egyptus started Egypt through her son, the first Pharoah. Just why is Abraham including this in his book (to us)? Hagar / Sarah is a division of birthright where the choice wife produces the birthright heir. Rebekah is slightly different in that she actually chooses the younger twin against Isaac's expectation and wishes - what an incredible insight this to eternal dominion and separation of powers / rights / responsibilities.

To this end, I've made points recently (in this thread I think) about how the Daughters of ZION and Jerusalem are called "she" and may symbolize both women and peoples (churches or congregations of people) just as the man child represents both king and kingdom.

D&C 113:7 Questions by Elias Higbee: What is meant by the command in Isaiah, 52d chapter, 1st verse, which saith: Put on thy strength, O Zion—and what people had Isaiah reference to?

8 He had reference to those whom God should call in the last days, who should hold the power of priesthood to bring again Zion, and the redemption of Israel; and to put on her strength is to put on the authority of the priesthood, which she, Zion, has a right to by lineage; also to return to that power which she had lost.9 What are we to understand by Zion loosing herself from the bands of her neck; 2d verse?

10 We are to understand that the scattered remnants are exhorted to return to the Lord from whence they have fallen; which if they do, the promise of the Lord is that he will speak to them, or give them revelation. See the 6th, 7th, and 8th verses. The bands of her neck are the curses of God upon her, or the remnants of Israel in their scattered condition among the Gentiles.


So in the above we have an answer about Isaiah 52 where ZION is both "She" and a "people" and that she must remove the curses of God upon her. So, did Eve take upon herself curses to start this world for our sake - and, is it the divine queen's role to loose these bands of the neck of her people? I've made this point before, but this next part is new to me ..... \

Consider the heavenly queen on 9/23 represents an actual woman. If the man child is the heir of Jesus Christ transitioning from manhood to godhood, and securing (nail in the secure place) his eternal right and unconditional reward ....

Jesus must have an heir to be a Father ... He can do nothing with "all the father hath" if He Himself is not a Father. So, who is the woman and to whom is she birthing the man child?

Now, consider that not only ZION but the capitols are called "she" throughout the Old Testament and the Doctrine and Covenants. Consider 9/23 may have been about the revelation of Heavenly Mother to the man child .... and now read these verses:

Revelation 3:11 Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.
12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.

JST (whole verse is JST) Revelation 12:3 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron; and her child was caught up unto God and his throne.


I've read Revelation 3:12 a zillion time - I have it memorized inadvertently. Has heavenly mother been hiding in that promise all along??? "I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem" - New Jerusalem is a she. Is this city named after Heavenly Mother? There is a Daughter of ZION - Is this the Mother of ZION?

Now consider "SHE" brings forth the man child. How ?

We know from Joseph Smith that the Holy Ghost is in a state of probation - does the Queen oversee the heirs-to-be who rule and reign in imperfection? "To rule and reign over the house of Israel" is the promised reward to women. Is she the Holy Ghost's counterpart in heaven overseeing his progress? Is there an intimate Mother-Son dynamic here? And is this Jehovah's wife? Is this Mary Magdalene? Is this too sacred for public consumption? Few seem to be reading what I write lately anyway ... =\

That's OK - in time all things will be revealed

8 He had reference to those whom God should call in the last days, who should hold the power of priesthood to bring again Zion, and the redemption of Israel; and to put on her strength is to put on the authority of the priesthood, which she, Zion, has a right to by lineage; also to return to that power which she had lost

If I didn't know better I'd say there will indeed be a female ordination happening in the restoration of all things. It's right there in 113 for crying out loud.

Agreed that the names of the lands and cities are female as well. Absolutely Her name is invoked in 3:12.

Yes! Excellent point. How does she put on her strength? How does she put on the authority of the Priesthood?

Notice the similarity from the prior chapter in Isaiah

9 ¶ Awake, awake, put on strength, O arm of the Lord; awake, as in the ancient days, in the generations of old. Art thou not it that hath cut Rahab, and wounded the dragon?

She is told to put on her Beautiful garments in 52. There's another similarity:

7 And it shall come to pass that I, the Lord God, will send one mighty and strong, holding the scepter of power in his hand, clothed with light for a covering, whose mouth shall utter words, eternal words; while his bowels shall be a fountain of truth, to set in order the house of God, and to arrange by lot the inheritances of the saints whose names are found, and the names of their fathers, and of their children, enrolled in the book of the law of God;

I've prayed about what to share here and am careful to listen to the Spirit as I write this.

Last week I attended the temple with my beloved wife. I've been very sick, and my back was out, and I had a silly reason to not go that night that could have been the straw that broke the camels back on top of not feeling well and hobbling about with my lower back out.

So much stood out to me during the endowment. The three phases of a covenant - the covenant is made, the promise is secured, and the reward is given. I believe the endowment curses were removed when the reward was sealed - or at least as far as the time and season represents. Now, the recent change represents the sealed reward. With the curse removed, Eve no longer must reach God through her husband. Together, they approach God and together they receive their rewards. Does this not represent our time and season where there has never been so many sealings of celestial marriages on Earth? To those who are aligned to the Law of the Gospel, this is where we are on the eternal scale of progression. These are the souls who must have an eternal companion to continue to progress.

I've seen the arguments here that there cannot be more than one representation of "what happened" in the Garden. While this is true to an extant, the error made is assuming the endowment is made to represent what happened in our garden of Eden alone. We watch Adam and Eve progress through the Telestial, and Terrestrial, and on to the Celestial worlds. We men stand up with Adam and awake with him. With Adam, we will one day lie down again. Yet Adam and Eve are no longer aligned to the Law of the Gospel as has been this time and season. They are aligned to the fourth sign and token. They consecrated their world to our betterment.

What does this have to do with the Davidic Servant and Holy Ghost? Well, how do I put this into words? I hate using first person pronouns - but - man, how to write this ...

I had an awakening experience. At a time when I barely had a peripheral awareness of the Davidic Servant and Avraham Gileadi ... the Lord saw fit in His infinite wisdom and mercy to show me - briefly - glimpses into the past. My past. I saw. I heard. And though these experiences were very brief, I immediately realized there was an eighth, lesser being to seven greater ancients. I concluded - based off no new study but off prior knowledge and only a peripheral awareness of the Davidic Servant - that he must be the eighth being in authority on Earth. (you can see this by my posts here as I joined this forum as this all ...came to pass.) I didn't discover until many, many months later - I should restate that - I didn't accept one aspect of what had been handed to me - that the Davidic Servant is the Holy Ghost - until many, many months later. When I did, the knowledge and confirmations have continued to flood in. And, though there is so very much in our own scriptures hiding in plain sight, there is so, so much information in the Apocrypha that confirms this. I am writing an article now on the Ascension of Isaiah, which is perhaps the greatest extra-canonical confirmation of both the seven levels of mankind and the Davidic Servant.

This truth has been hiding - boldy - and plainly in plain sight. An angel - one single angel - keeps appearing in place of God throughout the Old Testament, and yet is called "God." Jacob wrestles with angel, and asks for the Angel's name and yet the Angel refuses and then "randomly" names the place Peniel / Penuel for he has seen the face of God.

"Genesis 32:30 And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved."

Rather than there being issues that arise, which would be the case were this all false, there is only confirmation upon confirmation. For example, I just looked up Penuel on wikipedia, and the place is on the East bank of the Jordan river, signifying the angel rising from the East. This is the area from whence came Joshua many years later, leading the Israelites across the Jordan River to the first city of Jericho. Who met Joshua on the field with instructions on how to return to the promised land? Eternal symbolism is literally all over the place and reinforces all of these truths now thinly veiled. The angel gives Jacob the new name. The servant gives Israel a new name in Isaiah for crying out loud. How has this been a mystery? Only a spirit of deep sleep upon us all could have kept us from seeing. It has been upon us all.

Isaiah 62:2 And the Gentiles shall see thy righteousness, and all kings thy glory: and thou shalt be called by a new name, which the mouth of the Lord shall name.

The mouth of the Lord. The Angel of the Lord tells Moses that Aaron will be to him a mouth and Moses will be to Aaron a God - yet how many have seen the plain significance as to what the means with respect to the Angel of the Lord being the ultimate High Priest of Israel himself? This same angel who the Lord says bears His ineffable name in Exodus 23?

Exodus 23:21 Beware of him, and obey his voice, provoke him not; for he will not pardon your transgressions: for my name is in him.

22 But if thou shalt indeed obey his voice, and do all that I speak; then I will be an enemy unto thine enemies, and an adversary unto thine adversaries.

So the Angel speaks in the first person for the Lord Jesus Christ - the Lord Jehovah - having given this pattern to Moses and having the Lord Himself say (through him) that the Angel bears the ineffable name, yet we have all gone blindly along never even wondering at this mystery. How is this possible?

If only there were other clues to help cement this mystery - except they are literally all over our standard works and all over the apocrypha. The Angel of the Lord tells Samson's parents his name is a "secret" when they ask - effectively giving them the same answer as was given to Jacob. The Ethiopian Book of Enoch (1 Enoch) dedicates many chapter (37-71) about an "Elect One" that clearly, obviously aligns to the servant of Isaiah who is said to be concealed from the foundation of the world. The Lord Jesus Christ commands us in 3 Nephi to study the words of Isaiah - and have we followed that commandment? - and He speaks of this servant who is hidden and who will be exalted and extolled. The Lord legitimizes Exodus 23 further in D&C where He confirms He in fact did send a single, solitary angel before Israel giving no further answer to the mystery of he-who-has-not-been-named.

D&C 103:19 Therefore, let not your hearts faint, for I say not unto you as I said unto your fathers: Mine angel shall go up before you, but not my presence.

20 But I say unto you: Mine angels shall go up before you, and also my presence, and in time ye shall possess the goodly land.

How does any modern day saint read that and not wonder at who this solitary angel is? How does nobody stop and wonder what it means to bear the ineffable name? A spirit of deep sleep ... from the Lord - not the devil - to conceal His servant as promised.

Nephi sees all this and tells us he's forbidden to share yet takes a sudden interest in transcribing Isaiah and expounding upon the role of the Holy Ghost.

In Revelation, the Lord tells the sixth angel that the angel has a probationary crown but that He would yet make the Jews come and worship at his (the angel's feet.) Nothing? Nobody? Then John worships the Angel who yet again speaks for Jehovah. Yet nobody connects this angel neither to the sixth angel nor to the Angel of the Lord of the Old Testament who bears the ineffable name! John worships the angel as he witnesses the "exalting and extolling" and the making of him very high - where the Lord's name - the ineffable name - is written in the thigh. Joseph Smith said the Holy Ghost is in a state of probation - still no connection was made.

Now, back to the temple. Eve basically says, "Blessed is the name of the Lord, for if it were not for our transgression we should never have had posterity." This is effectively restated in Moses 5. Now, while some debate over whether Adam and Eve could have had kids without the fall - there never would have been such. The fall had to happen - no God - neither the Greater Jehovah or Lesser Jahoel - could be exatled in a millenial state with Terrestrial-level opposition. The opposition and descent have to equal the overcoming and ascent.

This covenant that was made among Father, Son, and Testator was this:

Adam would provide his throne to the heir of Jehovah.
Jehovah would provide the saving grace and redemption of the fall.
The Father would provide a full inheritance to Jesus Christ, which perhaps the most important element being the title "Father" as Jehovah secures His own Son or unconditional inheritor. The father also gives the right for Adam to move on with his heir - SETH - to be the Savior and the Messenger of Salvation respectively where Seth would be given the same opportunity to transition from conditional servant to unconditional inheritor. Unconditional inheritor - a Son of God - to go no more out or ever having the possibility to fall away.

"Blessed be the name of the Lord" - The family name of Jehovah, which is represented by JAH. Jahoel, so named in The Apocalypse of Abraham, 3 Enoch, and the Nag Hammadi - all three of which have varied history and origins. What does EL mean? "God" or "mighty." JAH is my EL. JAH is my MIGHTY ONE. The song that is sung as the servant is exalted is ALLELUIA - or HALL-LE-LU-JAH - what does it mean?

Praise the Lord or, "Blessed be the name of the Lord" - the family name.

"Revelation 19:1 And after these things I heard a great voice of much people in heaven, saying, Alleluia; Salvation, and glory, and honour, and power, unto the Lord our God:

2 For true and righteous are his judgments: for he hath judged the great whore, which did corrupt the earth with her fornication, and hath avenged the blood of his servants at her hand."

Just before this the "Another angel" or "The other angel" (alt, legitimate translation of the same in Greek) is the one who executes judgement upon the great whore. In D&C 88, it is the same he-who-has-not-been-named angel who sounds the fall of Bablyon and the first resurrection:

D&C 88:94 And another angel shall sound his trump, saying: That great church, the mother of abominations, that made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, that persecuteth the saints of God, that shed their blood—she who sitteth upon many waters, and upon the islands of the sea—behold, she is the tares of the earth; she is bound in bundles; her bands are made strong, no man can loose them; therefore, she is ready to be burned. And he shall sound his trump both long and loud, and all nations shall hear it.

95 And there shall be silence in heaven for the space of half an hour; and immediately after shall the curtain of heaven be unfolded, as a scroll is unfolded after it is rolled up, and the face of the Lord shall be unveiled;

96 And the saints that are upon the earth, who are alive, shall be quickened and be caught up to meet him.

97 And they who have slept in their graves shall come forth, for their graves shall be opened; and they also shall be caught up to meet him in the midst of the pillar of heaven

This isn't even thinly veiled. This is overt. An angel sounds the judgement of the whore and that same angel sounds the first resurrection. How has this been hidden? The man who judges the whore is the one wearing red who says, "I have trodden the winepress alone" and we know by modern revelation that the winepress indeed signifies the blood of the enemies of Israel. The Angel of the Lord of the Old Testament is the Destroyer - he is the one who slew the Firstborn of Egypt and the 185,000 Assyrians and is the only one to claim to have trodden the winepress "alone."

The angel is even called the pillar of heaven inverse 97 - a reference to the promised reward to the sixth angel in Revelation 3:12 as well as the fact he was the pillar of heaven leading Israel to safety. How has this been hidden?

To achieve the station of redeemer, Michael had to first stand in the station of the fall. To secure his own right to redeem his own offspring - to redeem his heir Seth, Michael had to first provide the same to a greater God - and he did this through his eternal companion, Eve. And Eve did it for her son Seth.

"Blessed be the name of God, for if it weren't for the fall we should never have had posterity." Is she referring to the eternal inheritance here rather than having mortal offspring? Is she speaking of the right to have immortal offspring - an unconditional heir of her own? Blessed be the name of God. Alleluia.

Alaris wrote: ↑December 5th, 2019, 11:08 pm

Robbinius wrote: ↑December 5th, 2019, 6:02 pm

Alaris wrote: ↑December 5th, 2019, 5:48 pm So my wife and I went to the Temple last night for an endowment session. Many thoughts and impressions as I always feel I learn something new when I attend.

I mentioned in another thread how it stood out to me that women are anointed to become priestesses and queens to rule and reign over the House of Israel forever. The recent endowment change represents the lifting of these curses as we prepare for this time and season - the time and season of the Gathering of Israel which aligns to toke / sign # 3 (of 4), the 144,000 - Will the Priestesshood be restored as a part of the restoration of all things? It's not like it didn't exist before. It's not like there aren't already priestesses and queens - Eve is a Queen after all.

So, as I'm at the Chiropractor waiting to be popped today, I start pondering Revelation 3:12 and how it fits within the revelation 12 sign. In this other thread here I reference Bruce Porter's amazing "Book of Abraham" video and how he spends some time cementing the point that a mother is who chooses the heir. Egyptus started Egypt through her son, the first Pharoah. Just why is Abraham including this in his book (to us)? Hagar / Sarah is a division of birthright where the choice wife produces the birthright heir. Rebekah is slightly different in that she actually chooses the younger twin against Isaac's expectation and wishes - what an incredible insight this to eternal dominion and separation of powers / rights / responsibilities.

To this end, I've made points recently (in this thread I think) about how the Daughters of ZION and Jerusalem are called "she" and may symbolize both women and peoples (churches or congregations of people) just as the man child represents both king and kingdom.

D&C 113:7 Questions by Elias Higbee: What is meant by the command in Isaiah, 52d chapter, 1st verse, which saith: Put on thy strength, O Zion—and what people had Isaiah reference to?

8 He had reference to those whom God should call in the last days, who should hold the power of priesthood to bring again Zion, and the redemption of Israel; and to put on her strength is to put on the authority of the priesthood, which she, Zion, has a right to by lineage; also to return to that power which she had lost.9 What are we to understand by Zion loosing herself from the bands of her neck; 2d verse?

10 We are to understand that the scattered remnants are exhorted to return to the Lord from whence they have fallen; which if they do, the promise of the Lord is that he will speak to them, or give them revelation. See the 6th, 7th, and 8th verses. The bands of her neck are the curses of God upon her, or the remnants of Israel in their scattered condition among the Gentiles.


So in the above we have an answer about Isaiah 52 where ZION is both "She" and a "people" and that she must remove the curses of God upon her. So, did Eve take upon herself curses to start this world for our sake - and, is it the divine queen's role to loose these bands of the neck of her people? I've made this point before, but this next part is new to me ..... \

Consider the heavenly queen on 9/23 represents an actual woman. If the man child is the heir of Jesus Christ transitioning from manhood to godhood, and securing (nail in the secure place) his eternal right and unconditional reward ....

Jesus must have an heir to be a Father ... He can do nothing with "all the father hath" if He Himself is not a Father. So, who is the woman and to whom is she birthing the man child?

Now, consider that not only ZION but the capitols are called "she" throughout the Old Testament and the Doctrine and Covenants. Consider 9/23 may have been about the revelation of Heavenly Mother to the man child .... and now read these verses:

Revelation 3:11 Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.
12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.

JST (whole verse is JST) Revelation 12:3 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron; and her child was caught up unto God and his throne.


I've read Revelation 3:12 a zillion time - I have it memorized inadvertently. Has heavenly mother been hiding in that promise all along??? "I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem" - New Jerusalem is a she. Is this city named after Heavenly Mother? There is a Daughter of ZION - Is this the Mother of ZION?

Now consider "SHE" brings forth the man child. How ?

We know from Joseph Smith that the Holy Ghost is in a state of probation - does the Queen oversee the heirs-to-be who rule and reign in imperfection? "To rule and reign over the house of Israel" is the promised reward to women. Is she the Holy Ghost's counterpart in heaven overseeing his progress? Is there an intimate Mother-Son dynamic here? And is this Jehovah's wife? Is this Mary Magdalene? Is this too sacred for public consumption? Few seem to be reading what I write lately anyway ... =\

That's OK - in time all things will be revealed

8 He had reference to those whom God should call in the last days, who should hold the power of priesthood to bring again Zion, and the redemption of Israel; and to put on her strength is to put on the authority of the priesthood, which she, Zion, has a right to by lineage; also to return to that power which she had lost

If I didn't know better I'd say there will indeed be a female ordination happening in the restoration of all things. It's right there in 113 for crying out loud.

Agreed that the names of the lands and cities are female as well. Absolutely Her name is invoked in 3:12.

Yes! Excellent point. How does she put on her strength? How does she put on the authority of the Priesthood?

Notice the similarity from the prior chapter in Isaiah

9 ¶ Awake, awake, put on strength, O arm of the Lord; awake, as in the ancient days, in the generations of old. Art thou not it that hath cut Rahab, and wounded the dragon?

She is told to put on her Beautiful garments in 52. There's another similarity:

7 And it shall come to pass that I, the Lord God, will send one mighty and strong, holding the scepter of power in his hand, clothed with light for a covering, whose mouth shall utter words, eternal words; while his bowels shall be a fountain of truth, to set in order the house of God, and to arrange by lot the inheritances of the saints whose names are found, and the names of their fathers, and of their children, enrolled in the book of the law of God;

OK, so you mentioned Revelation 21 earlier today - let's break it down! A brief recap above - the daughter of ZION is putting on strength, but ZION is the name of the City. Revelation 21 may help narrow what's what:

https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/stu ... 1?lang=eng

1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

The Gospel of Thomas is just a collection of sayings, and reads like Thomas just wrote down things that made him think, "I should probably write that down." The above makes me think of the following "saying":

(18) The disciples said to Jesus, "Tell us how our end will be."
Jesus said, "Have you discovered, then, the beginning, that you look for the end? For where the beginning is, there will the end be. Blessed is he who will take his place in the beginning; he will know the end and will not experience death."

I believe the wedding of the Bridegroom is a festival and the fulfillment of the feast of tabernacles. Seven days in clay tabernacles may represent the seven levels of mankind incarnating on Earth during a full period, and likely also represents how one must incarnate through the seven levels of mankind - seven clay tabernacles. Wine is central to not only the fall festivals but links to the 7th festival - the Day of Pentecost. The planting, harvesting, preparing, and reaping of grapes - and it all neatly plugs into the winepress scriptures. To hit that seventh level, one must be trod the winepress alone. But let's focus on the Mother / Goddess revelation here. The name of the city of My God (Revelation 3:12) may be heavenly Mother. But who? Elohim's bride? Jesus'?

2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

Tying back to Revelation 3:12 again, this is the name that is revealed to the Davidic Servant - meaning it's a secret name of the city of ZION.

3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.

Feast of tabernacles' fulfillment. "will" and "shall" denote one who is becoming a God. These promises trace back to the Davidic Covenant, to Ezekiel 37, to Jeremiah, to Isaiah, etc. This is undoubtedly the Angel of the Lord who is bearing the message to John - who has trodden the winepress alone.

4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

My whole life I thought this was Jesus. And though the power comes from Jesus just as the moon reflects the sun's light, this is At-One-Ment made on Yom Kippur. As Jesus and His heir take on higher stations as both the Father and the Son, together they make us whole again.

5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.
Wow, notice how "he that sat upon the throne"" and "he said unto me" is the same person. Again, this is the Angel of the Lord.

6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.

We've discussed this before, but Alpha and Omega may be a reference to the station of "Son" where one is taking his first, Alpha step, and one is taking His final, Omega step and leaving the order of "Son" to become a "Father" evermore. This is critical to understand the next verse and the implication:

7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.

The 8th promise of overcoming - to inherit all the father hath. The Davidic Servant has just become an unconditional inheritor. And though it may be eons before he inherits, he inevitably will at this point.


8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
9 And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb’s wife.

One of the seven patriarchs - already a king / priest and unconditional inheritor having walked this path before, tells John to come and show the bride - the Lamb's wife. The Lamb and he who sitteth upon the throne are often mention together. This is very likely Jesus Christ.


10 And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God

This is ZION - the city that bears the secret name of Heavenly Mother. But like Elohim, Jahovah, and Jahoel, is this feminine deity the goddess who was, who is, or who is to come?


11 Having the glory of God: and her light was like unto a stone most precious, even like a jasper stone, clear as crystal;

Wow ................ just wow. Is there any jewel more precious and divine than our wives who are anointed to the same?

12 And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel:

Names, tribes, angels - I believe the role of a goddess is intimate with tribes, families, or congregations (churches) of people which is why the celestial woman with a crown of twelve stars is likened to the church of God. Here again the number 12 is associated.

13 On the east three gates; on the north three gates; on the south three gates; and on the west three gates.

14 And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.

15 And he that talked with me had a golden reed to measure the city, and the gates thereof, and the wall thereof.

16 And the city lieth foursquare, and the length is as large as the breadth: and he measured the city with the reed, twelve thousand furlongs. The length and the breadth and the height of it are equal.

Woah ... let's say for a woman that ZION is the bride of Jesus. Are these twelve apostles the twelve sons of Jesus? Is that one layer of meaning of the crown of twelve stars? The posterity of Christ?


17 And he measured the wall thereof, an hundred and forty and four cubits, according to the measure of a man, that is, of the angel.

I'm guessing you may already have "seen" this having read this yesterday. We spoke of 3 Enoch and how dominions of angels are expressed in numbers of angels over which they preside. As I recall Barakiel presides over 496,000 angels. Who presides over 144,000? Eh? This is the measuremant of "man" - the full measure of man before becoming God. "according to the measure of man, that is, of the angel.


18 And the building of the wall of it was of jasper: and the city was pure gold, like unto clear glass.

Jasper is the stone used to describe the bride and is now the stone of the walls of the city, and another precious object.


19 And the foundations of the wall of the city were garnished with all manner of precious stones. The first foundation was jasper; the second, sapphire; the third, a chalcedony; the fourth, an emerald;

The first was jasper - is this an order of dominion?


20 The fifth, sardonyx; the sixth, sardius; the seventh, chrysolite; the eighth, beryl; the ninth, a topaz; the tenth, a chrysoprasus; the eleventh, a jacinth; the twelfth, an amethyst.

The twelve stones align to the twelve apostles....huh

21 And the twelve gates were twelve pearls; every several gate was of one pearl: and the street of the city was pure gold, as it were transparent glass.

22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.

The Davidic Covenant. "He shall build me a temple." Is the third temple a building or a man? Or both? Holiness to the Lord. Lord God Almighty = The Davidic Heir. Lamb = Jesus. John keeps referring Jesus as the "Lamb" for this is how the full measure of man becomes "Lord God Almighty" - the single greatest achievement of the Atonement of Jesus Christ.

23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.

Lamb = Sun. "Glory of God" = Moon / Davidic Heir.

24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.

Literally or else. This is the meaning of "every knee shall bow. Only those who "do bring their glory and honour into it" may remain upon the earth. My wife was telling me all about the masonic ritual last night about a man who comes into room where a judge with a gavel is judging him - and the man has no idea who the judge is or what's going on. Sound familiar? The judge tells him the man will be tested, and if he passes he can go on to become a God, or if he fails, he will become a devil. I kid you not. Does that sound like the end of the world judgement to you? I hope to write more on this later. The man has a tool and a stone - I really believe this ritual aligns to level four. The temple of Solomon was the place for level four souls anyway. So much of our companionship study has pointed us to these masonic rituals and symbols.


25 And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there.

26 And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it.

27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb’s book of life.

And it shall come to pass that the Lord shall send one Mighty and Strong, with the scepter of power...

D&C 85:7 And it shall come to pass that I, the Lord God, will send one mighty and strong, holding the scepter of power in his hand, clothed with light for a covering, whose mouth shall utter words, eternal words; while his bowels shall be a fountain of truth, to set in order the house of God, and to arrange by lot the inheritances of the saints whose names are found, and the names of their fathers, and of their children, enrolled in the book of the law of God;

8 While that man, who was called of God and appointed, that putteth forth his hand to steady the ark of God, shall fall by the shaft of death, like as a tree that is smitten by the vivid shaft of lightning.

Um no, that was not Bishop Partridge. Verse 7 is "the Lord God Almighty" of Revelation 21 - well the central character of Revelation really - and yes even more central than Jesus Christ as the entire book is about this man's exaltation and how it was purchased by the Lamb. This is why John worships the angel twice near the end as he finishes beholding all of these things.

Perhaps verse 8 isn't a singular person but a warning to all would-be pretenders and any who would try to take this honor or glory unto himself.

As a tree smitten .... the Davidic Servant is one of the two olive trees of Zechariah 4 which John references of the two witnesses in Revelation 11.

To circle back to the first point, I believe there are many "weddings" at the bridegroom, but the Lamb and ZION may be Jesus / Mary. Now I understand in discussing this from Revelation 3:12, I suggested the "name of the city of my God" may have been Heavenly Father's wife, but Jesus and Mary Magdalene are literally stepping into the role of Heavenly Father and Heavenly Mother AT the wedding of the Bridegroom upon securing an unconditional, exalted heir.

The heir is "wedded" to Israel - Ezekiel 37 links to Revelation 21:3 here:


3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.

I believe the Daughters of ZION and Jerusalem represent a new Queen & Priestess as well as a new Priestess respectively with the Queen & Priestess likely being joined to Gabriel as next Adam and Eve and the Priestess being joined to the Davidic Servant. I do believe the eternal dominion of woman may be just between (wow) the dominion of her husband and her son. So, if Jesus has been level 8, and Mary Magdalene 7, and the Davidic Servant 6, then at this wedding, each will step into a higher level. Mary Magdalene will be level 8 and preside eternally over her son until he reaches level 8, then will likely incarnate as his mother just as Mary who bore Jesus is very likely Jesus' mother. If this is true, then Mary was in fact greater in dominion than Jesus. How's that for blasphemy for the over righteous of mankind? If the Gospel of Bartholomew's section where the apostles address Mary is true, then it seems they knew this or had a pretty good idea themselves.

So this divine sonship begins with the heavenly sign of Revelation 12 - a spiritual begetting (hence "Holy" spirit - Holiness to the Lord" etc. - Spirit = Spiritual birth - Spiritual begetting) The alpha step

The omega step is when the begetting is physical birth where the one who sat upon the throne becomes the Lamb to bring the next heir - and so on and so forth. This mean heavenly father's work as Savior had Jesus as the greatest single achievement of his Atonement - Father's ransom sons. "I'm only doing the works I saw my father do ... for me."

A nice quote from Orson Hyde a good friend sent to me:

History of the Church, Orson Hyde 4:457
Do Thou now also be pleased to inspire the hearts of kings and the powers of the earth to look with a friendly eye towards this place, and with a desire to see Thy righteous purposes executed in relation thereto. Let them know that it is Thy good pleasure to restore the kingdom unto Israel–raise up Jerusalem as its capital, and constitute her people a distinct nation and government, with David Thy servant, even a descendant from the loins of ancient David to be their king.

Yet more evidence the early leaders believed in a mortal King David at the end.

Alaris wrote: ↑December 15th, 2019, 11:01 am

Alaris wrote: ↑December 5th, 2019, 11:08 pm

Robbinius wrote: ↑December 5th, 2019, 6:02 pm

Alaris wrote: ↑December 5th, 2019, 5:48 pm So my wife and I went to the Temple last night for an endowment session. Many thoughts and impressions as I always feel I learn something new when I attend.

I mentioned in another thread how it stood out to me that women are anointed to become priestesses and queens to rule and reign over the House of Israel forever. The recent endowment change represents the lifting of these curses as we prepare for this time and season - the time and season of the Gathering of Israel which aligns to toke / sign # 3 (of 4), the 144,000 - Will the Priestesshood be restored as a part of the restoration of all things? It's not like it didn't exist before. It's not like there aren't already priestesses and queens - Eve is a Queen after all.

So, as I'm at the Chiropractor waiting to be popped today, I start pondering Revelation 3:12 and how it fits within the revelation 12 sign. In this other thread here I reference Bruce Porter's amazing "Book of Abraham" video and how he spends some time cementing the point that a mother is who chooses the heir. Egyptus started Egypt through her son, the first Pharoah. Just why is Abraham including this in his book (to us)? Hagar / Sarah is a division of birthright where the choice wife produces the birthright heir. Rebekah is slightly different in that she actually chooses the younger twin against Isaac's expectation and wishes - what an incredible insight this to eternal dominion and separation of powers / rights / responsibilities.

To this end, I've made points recently (in this thread I think) about how the Daughters of ZION and Jerusalem are called "she" and may symbolize both women and peoples (churches or congregations of people) just as the man child represents both king and kingdom.

D&C 113:7 Questions by Elias Higbee: What is meant by the command in Isaiah, 52d chapter, 1st verse, which saith: Put on thy strength, O Zion—and what people had Isaiah reference to?

8 He had reference to those whom God should call in the last days, who should hold the power of priesthood to bring again Zion, and the redemption of Israel; and to put on her strength is to put on the authority of the priesthood, which she, Zion, has a right to by lineage; also to return to that power which she had lost.9 What are we to understand by Zion loosing herself from the bands of her neck; 2d verse?

10 We are to understand that the scattered remnants are exhorted to return to the Lord from whence they have fallen; which if they do, the promise of the Lord is that he will speak to them, or give them revelation. See the 6th, 7th, and 8th verses. The bands of her neck are the curses of God upon her, or the remnants of Israel in their scattered condition among the Gentiles.


So in the above we have an answer about Isaiah 52 where ZION is both "She" and a "people" and that she must remove the curses of God upon her. So, did Eve take upon herself curses to start this world for our sake - and, is it the divine queen's role to loose these bands of the neck of her people? I've made this point before, but this next part is new to me ..... \

Consider the heavenly queen on 9/23 represents an actual woman. If the man child is the heir of Jesus Christ transitioning from manhood to godhood, and securing (nail in the secure place) his eternal right and unconditional reward ....

Jesus must have an heir to be a Father ... He can do nothing with "all the father hath" if He Himself is not a Father. So, who is the woman and to whom is she birthing the man child?

Now, consider that not only ZION but the capitols are called "she" throughout the Old Testament and the Doctrine and Covenants. Consider 9/23 may have been about the revelation of Heavenly Mother to the man child .... and now read these verses:

Revelation 3:11 Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.
12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.

JST (whole verse is JST) Revelation 12:3 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron; and her child was caught up unto God and his throne.


I've read Revelation 3:12 a zillion time - I have it memorized inadvertently. Has heavenly mother been hiding in that promise all along??? "I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem" - New Jerusalem is a she. Is this city named after Heavenly Mother? There is a Daughter of ZION - Is this the Mother of ZION?

Now consider "SHE" brings forth the man child. How ?

We know from Joseph Smith that the Holy Ghost is in a state of probation - does the Queen oversee the heirs-to-be who rule and reign in imperfection? "To rule and reign over the house of Israel" is the promised reward to women. Is she the Holy Ghost's counterpart in heaven overseeing his progress? Is there an intimate Mother-Son dynamic here? And is this Jehovah's wife? Is this Mary Magdalene? Is this too sacred for public consumption? Few seem to be reading what I write lately anyway ... =\

That's OK - in time all things will be revealed

8 He had reference to those whom God should call in the last days, who should hold the power of priesthood to bring again Zion, and the redemption of Israel; and to put on her strength is to put on the authority of the priesthood, which she, Zion, has a right to by lineage; also to return to that power which she had lost

If I didn't know better I'd say there will indeed be a female ordination happening in the restoration of all things. It's right there in 113 for crying out loud.

Agreed that the names of the lands and cities are female as well. Absolutely Her name is invoked in 3:12.

Yes! Excellent point. How does she put on her strength? How does she put on the authority of the Priesthood?

Notice the similarity from the prior chapter in Isaiah

9 ¶ Awake, awake, put on strength, O arm of the Lord; awake, as in the ancient days, in the generations of old. Art thou not it that hath cut Rahab, and wounded the dragon?

She is told to put on her Beautiful garments in 52. There's another similarity:

7 And it shall come to pass that I, the Lord God, will send one mighty and strong, holding the scepter of power in his hand, clothed with light for a covering, whose mouth shall utter words, eternal words; while his bowels shall be a fountain of truth, to set in order the house of God, and to arrange by lot the inheritances of the saints whose names are found, and the names of their fathers, and of their children, enrolled in the book of the law of God;

OK, so you mentioned Revelation 21 earlier today - let's break it down! A brief recap above - the daughter of ZION is putting on strength, but ZION is the name of the City. Revelation 21 may help narrow what's what:

https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/stu ... 1?lang=eng

1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

The Gospel of Thomas is just a collection of sayings, and reads like Thomas just wrote down things that made him think, "I should probably write that down." The above makes me think of the following "saying":

(18) The disciples said to Jesus, "Tell us how our end will be."
Jesus said, "Have you discovered, then, the beginning, that you look for the end? For where the beginning is, there will the end be. Blessed is he who will take his place in the beginning; he will know the end and will not experience death."

I believe the wedding of the Bridegroom is a festival and the fulfillment of the feast of tabernacles. Seven days in clay tabernacles may represent the seven levels of mankind incarnating on Earth during a full period, and likely also represents how one must incarnate through the seven levels of mankind - seven clay tabernacles. Wine is central to not only the fall festivals but links to the 7th festival - the Day of Pentecost. The planting, harvesting, preparing, and reaping of grapes - and it all neatly plugs into the winepress scriptures. To hit that seventh level, one must be trod the winepress alone. But let's focus on the Mother / Goddess revelation here. The name of the city of My God (Revelation 3:12) may be heavenly Mother. But who? Elohim's bride? Jesus'?

2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

Tying back to Revelation 3:12 again, this is the name that is revealed to the Davidic Servant - meaning it's a secret name of the city of ZION.

3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.

Feast of tabernacles' fulfillment. "will" and "shall" denote one who is becoming a God. These promises trace back to the Davidic Covenant, to Ezekiel 37, to Jeremiah, to Isaiah, etc. This is undoubtedly the Angel of the Lord who is bearing the message to John - who has trodden the winepress alone.

4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

My whole life I thought this was Jesus. And though the power comes from Jesus just as the moon reflects the sun's light, this is At-One-Ment made on Yom Kippur. As Jesus and His heir take on higher stations as both the Father and the Son, together they make us whole again.

5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.
Wow, notice how "he that sat upon the throne"" and "he said unto me" is the same person. Again, this is the Angel of the Lord.

6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.

We've discussed this before, but Alpha and Omega may be a reference to the station of "Son" where one is taking his first, Alpha step, and one is taking His final, Omega step and leaving the order of "Son" to become a "Father" evermore. This is critical to understand the next verse and the implication:

7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.

The 8th promise of overcoming - to inherit all the father hath. The Davidic Servant has just become an unconditional inheritor. And though it may be eons before he inherits, he inevitably will at this point.


8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
9 And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb’s wife.

One of the seven patriarchs - already a king / priest and unconditional inheritor having walked this path before, tells John to come and show the bride - the Lamb's wife. The Lamb and he who sitteth upon the throne are often mention together. This is very likely Jesus Christ.


10 And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God

This is ZION - the city that bears the secret name of Heavenly Mother. But like Elohim, Jahovah, and Jahoel, is this feminine deity the goddess who was, who is, or who is to come?


11 Having the glory of God: and her light was like unto a stone most precious, even like a jasper stone, clear as crystal;

Wow ................ just wow. Is there any jewel more precious and divine than our wives who are anointed to the same?

12 And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel:

Names, tribes, angels - I believe the role of a goddess is intimate with tribes, families, or congregations (churches) of people which is why the celestial woman with a crown of twelve stars is likened to the church of God. Here again the number 12 is associated.

13 On the east three gates; on the north three gates; on the south three gates; and on the west three gates.

14 And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.

15 And he that talked with me had a golden reed to measure the city, and the gates thereof, and the wall thereof.

16 And the city lieth foursquare, and the length is as large as the breadth: and he measured the city with the reed, twelve thousand furlongs. The length and the breadth and the height of it are equal.

Woah ... let's say for a woman that ZION is the bride of Jesus. Are these twelve apostles the twelve sons of Jesus? Is that one layer of meaning of the crown of twelve stars? The posterity of Christ?


17 And he measured the wall thereof, an hundred and forty and four cubits, according to the measure of a man, that is, of the angel.

I'm guessing you may already have "seen" this having read this yesterday. We spoke of 3 Enoch and how dominions of angels are expressed in numbers of angels over which they preside. As I recall Barakiel presides over 496,000 angels. Who presides over 144,000? Eh? This is the measuremant of "man" - the full measure of man before becoming God. "according to the measure of man, that is, of the angel.


18 And the building of the wall of it was of jasper: and the city was pure gold, like unto clear glass.

Jasper is the stone used to describe the bride and is now the stone of the walls of the city, and another precious object.


19 And the foundations of the wall of the city were garnished with all manner of precious stones. The first foundation was jasper; the second, sapphire; the third, a chalcedony; the fourth, an emerald;

The first was jasper - is this an order of dominion?


20 The fifth, sardonyx; the sixth, sardius; the seventh, chrysolite; the eighth, beryl; the ninth, a topaz; the tenth, a chrysoprasus; the eleventh, a jacinth; the twelfth, an amethyst.

The twelve stones align to the twelve apostles....huh

21 And the twelve gates were twelve pearls; every several gate was of one pearl: and the street of the city was pure gold, as it were transparent glass.

22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.

The Davidic Covenant. "He shall build me a temple." Is the third temple a building or a man? Or both? Holiness to the Lord. Lord God Almighty = The Davidic Heir. Lamb = Jesus. John keeps referring Jesus as the "Lamb" for this is how the full measure of man becomes "Lord God Almighty" - the single greatest achievement of the Atonement of Jesus Christ.

23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.

Lamb = Sun. "Glory of God" = Moon / Davidic Heir.

24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.

Literally or else. This is the meaning of "every knee shall bow. Only those who "do bring their glory and honour into it" may remain upon the earth. My wife was telling me all about the masonic ritual last night about a man who comes into room where a judge with a gavel is judging him - and the man has no idea who the judge is or what's going on. Sound familiar? The judge tells him the man will be tested, and if he passes he can go on to become a God, or if he fails, he will become a devil. I kid you not. Does that sound like the end of the world judgement to you? I hope to write more on this later. The man has a tool and a stone - I really believe this ritual aligns to level four. The temple of Solomon was the place for level four souls anyway. So much of our companionship study has pointed us to these masonic rituals and symbols.


25 And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there.

26 And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it.

27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb’s book of life.

And it shall come to pass that the Lord shall send one Mighty and Strong, with the scepter of power...

D&C 85:7 And it shall come to pass that I, the Lord God, will send one mighty and strong, holding the scepter of power in his hand, clothed with light for a covering, whose mouth shall utter words, eternal words; while his bowels shall be a fountain of truth, to set in order the house of God, and to arrange by lot the inheritances of the saints whose names are found, and the names of their fathers, and of their children, enrolled in the book of the law of God;

8 While that man, who was called of God and appointed, that putteth forth his hand to steady the ark of God, shall fall by the shaft of death, like as a tree that is smitten by the vivid shaft of lightning.

Um no, that was not Bishop Partridge. Verse 7 is "the Lord God Almighty" of Revelation 21 - well the central character of Revelation really - and yes even more central than Jesus Christ as the entire book is about this man's exaltation and how it was purchased by the Lamb. This is why John worships the angel twice near the end as he finishes beholding all of these things.

Perhaps verse 8 isn't a singular person but a warning to all would-be pretenders and any who would try to take this honor or glory unto himself.

As a tree smitten .... the Davidic Servant is one of the two olive trees of Zechariah 4 which John references of the two witnesses in Revelation 11.

To circle back to the first point, I believe there are many "weddings" at the bridegroom, but the Lamb and ZION may be Jesus / Mary. Now I understand in discussing this from Revelation 3:12, I suggested the "name of the city of my God" may have been Heavenly Father's wife, but Jesus and Mary Magdalene are literally stepping into the role of Heavenly Father and Heavenly Mother AT the wedding of the Bridegroom upon securing an unconditional, exalted heir.

The heir is "wedded" to Israel - Ezekiel 37 links to Revelation 21:3 here:


3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.

I believe the Daughters of ZION and Jerusalem represent a new Queen & Priestess as well as a new Priestess respectively with the Queen & Priestess likely being joined to Gabriel as next Adam and Eve and the Priestess being joined to the Davidic Servant. I do believe the eternal dominion of woman may be just between (wow) the dominion of her husband and her son. So, if Jesus has been level 8, and Mary Magdalene 7, and the Davidic Servant 6, then at this wedding, each will step into a higher level. Mary Magdalene will be level 8 and preside eternally over her son until he reaches level 8, then will likely incarnate as his mother just as Mary who bore Jesus is very likely Jesus' mother. If this is true, then Mary was in fact greater in dominion than Jesus. How's that for blasphemy for the over righteous of mankind? If the Gospel of Bartholomew's section where the apostles address Mary is true, then it seems they knew this or had a pretty good idea themselves.

So this divine sonship begins with the heavenly sign of Revelation 12 - a spiritual begetting (hence "Holy" spirit - Holiness to the Lord" etc. - Spirit = Spiritual birth - Spiritual begetting) The alpha step

The omega step is when the begetting is physical birth where the one who sat upon the throne becomes the Lamb to bring the next heir - and so on and so forth. This mean heavenly father's work as Savior had Jesus as the greatest single achievement of his Atonement - Father's ransom sons. "I'm only doing the works I saw my father do ... for me."

I did mention it - I’ve been on a ch 21-22 kick the past couple of days. I’m trying to understand these things because I’m not sure if I’m reading it right. It sounds like we are understanding the same things here. What it appears to be, is that this is the creation of a new Alpha and Omega. As you pointed out in v6, “he” appears to be the one who sitteth on the throne, who is also the same one who is taking John on this guided tour.

6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.
7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.

I’m with you - my whole life I thought all this was Jesus. Except for v7 which I always thought was Elohim, speaking to us saying, “you can also do as Jesus did, and be my Son the same as Him.”

However…..

The shift I’m now starting to wonder about, is this: Does ch. 21-22 represent a shift in voice? As in is everything from this point forward the DS speaking as though he were God? V6 seems to be the turning point here. He seems to be declaring he is Alpha and Omega. He is the measurer of the city. He is the glory of God reflecting the light of Jesus Christ in v23:

22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.
23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.

He is the master of servants in 22:3-5:

3 And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:
4 And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads.
5 And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever.

And to tie it all off, as you’ve stated many times, he is the one being worshipped by John in 22:8.

8 And I John saw these things, and heard them. And when I had heard and seen, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel which shewed me these things.
9 Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not: for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God.

And no wonder. He’s been side-by-side with Jesus this entire time becoming exalted to be able to claim Alpha and Omega status in the presence of the Savior.

13 On the east three gates; on the north three gates; on the south three gates; and on the west three gates.

14 And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.

15 And he that talked with me had a golden reed to measure the city, and the gates thereof, and the wall thereof.

16 And the city lieth foursquare, and the length is as large as the breadth: and he measured the city with the reed, twelve thousand furlongs. The length and the breadth and the height of it are equal.

Woah ... let's say for a woman that ZION is the bride of Jesus. Are these twelve apostles the twelve sons of Jesus? Is that one layer of meaning of the crown of twelve stars? The posterity of Christ?


17 And he measured the wall thereof, an hundred and forty and four cubits, according to the measure of a man, that is, of the angel.

I'm guessing you may already have "seen" this having read this yesterday. We spoke of 3 Enoch and how dominions of angels are expressed in numbers of angels over which they preside. As I recall Barakiel presides over 496,000 angels. Who presides over 144,000? Eh?

This is the measuremant of "man" - the full measure of man before becoming God. "according to the measure of man, that is, of the angel.

This was a huge shift in my understanding gained from your post. Relating the measurements and numbers to servants and apostles. It feels like it bears fruit. I will be studying and praying about this.

24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.

Literally or else. This is the meaning of "every knee shall bow. Only those who "do bring their glory and honour into it" may remain upon the earth. My wife was telling me all about the masonic ritual last night about a man who comes into room where a judge with a gavel is judging him - and the man has no idea who the judge is or what's going on. Sound familiar? The judge tells him the man will be tested, and if he passes he can go on to become a God, or if he fails, he will become a devil. I kid you not. Does that sound like the end of the world judgement to you?

I hope to write more on this later. The man has a tool and a stone - I really believe this ritual aligns to level four. The temple of Solomon was the place for level four souls anyway. So much of our companionship study has pointed us to these masonic rituals and symbols.

Wow. A hidden judge. Are you serious? This also ties into a point of study of mine lately as well. Alma, Nephi, Jacob and others in the Book of Mormon never even hint at a tiered level of exaltation or afterlife reward. They speak in absolutes: Heaven or hell. Two paths. One or the other. Now of course I believe D&C 76 to be the word of God given to Joseph Smith. I’m not questioning that. I also know the Book of Mormon to be the word of God. So we are clearly not given the whole picture here because for both to be true, there has to be more information that can bridge the gaps. I don’t fully understand this, of course, but it seems to me that they are looking at different time frames. The BoM looks at the absolute lifespan of a person across all existence, and D&C 76 appears to be focused on the end of this one world. If we look at absolute lifespan, then truly there is only two destinations: Godhood or perdition. We are always headed toward one of those two destinations no matter where we are on the journey. And this seems to be captured in this ritual. I’ll be looking more into this.

So much more to respond to here but I’ve gotta get back to work!

Robbinius wrote: ↑December 16th, 2019, 12:54 pm The shift I’m now starting to wonder about, is this: Does ch. 21-22 represent a shift in voice? As in is everything from this point forward the DS speaking as though he were God? V6 seems to be the turning point here. He seems to be declaring he is Alpha and Omega. He is the measurer of the city. He is the glory of God reflecting the light of Jesus Christ in v23:

Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

I used to think this was about Jesus. I have since come to believe this is about the DS. The DS becomes one with the Father and thus represents not only Jesus but the everlasting Father as well.

Michael Sherwin wrote: ↑December 17th, 2019, 2:24 pm

Robbinius wrote: ↑December 16th, 2019, 12:54 pm The shift I’m now starting to wonder about, is this: Does ch. 21-22 represent a shift in voice? As in is everything from this point forward the DS speaking as though he were God? V6 seems to be the turning point here. He seems to be declaring he is Alpha and Omega. He is the measurer of the city. He is the glory of God reflecting the light of Jesus Christ in v23:

Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

I used to think this was about Jesus. I have since come to believe this is about the DS. The DS becomes one with the Father and thus represents not only Jesus but the everlasting Father as well.

Verse 7 is the giveaway. Also, comparing to Abraham 1 cements the fact that this is a king and priest - which is the same Priesthood Abraham received from Melchizedek.

Isaiah 9:7 Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the Lord of hosts will perform this.

I mean - if saints just stopped and thought about what the throne of David is - and compared to the throne of Jesus - they'd realize these are two completely separate scales of dominion.

Compare to D&C 85:7

7 And it shall come to pass that I, the Lord God, will send one mighty and strong, holding the scepter of power in his hand, clothed with light for a covering, whose mouth shall utter words, eternal words; while his bowels shall be a fountain of truth, to set in order the house of God, and to arrange by lot the inheritances of the saints whose names are found, and the names of their fathers, and of their children, enrolled in the book of the law of God;

Abraham 1:2 And, finding there was greater happiness and peace and rest for me, I sought for the blessings of the fathers, and the right whereunto I should be ordained to administer the same; having been myself a follower of righteousness, desiring also to be one who possessed great knowledge, and to be a greater follower of righteousness, and to possess a greater knowledge, and to be a father of many nations, a prince of peace, and desiring to receive instructions, and to keep the commandments of God, I became a rightful heir, a High Priest, holding the right belonging to the fathers.

Rightful heir = King
Priest = well, Priest

King and Priest. Prince of Peace. Greater follower, Greater knowledge, Father of Nations

Wonderful, Counsellor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace

"Wonderful" is the same Hebrew word that the Angel uses to describe his name to Samson's parents, though King James' scribes translated it to "Secret." Those are the only two uses of the word in the Old Testament.

This becoming a king and priest is what the Book of Revelation is all about. The moment John sees where the servant is crowned, he falls and worships him. He has just witnessed the deliverer of the message - the messenger of salvation - become both Priest and King which means = Godhood.

Now, the fact Joseph Smith said and revealed so very many things that reinforce this .... this knowledge that has also come to me by miraculous means and confirmed on so very many layers of sweet, delicious fruit - there are just so many layers Joseph presented of which the majority of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints yet remains unaware.

Keep it up boys, if you keep hungering and thirsting for knowledge and wisdom, but at the same time in humility and not for self aggrandizement, God will give it, in His own due time and according to His will.
This DS/DK, subject, I believe, is of the utmost importance today, as I believe it literally pertains to our temporal and spiritual salvation in these last days. And the rejection of it, I believe, eventually leads to death, both temporally and spiritually.
But, it is interesting, that in all of the Christian circles and including our church, that the "Second Coming" of Christ is the next eminent event. Yet it is not, (IMO), it is the advent of this Servant, and I think most will reject him, just like the Jews rejected Christ, well I should say, just like the LEADERS of the Jews rejected Him and also convinced their followers. I think the exact scenario is playing out today, except reversed. This Servant is and will be rejected, by most, but there will be a believing remnant. And He, (this Servant) will be and has been, rejected by the exact same elements and leaders,(type and a shadow) that rejected Christ in His Day.
The day of the remnant of Jacob, IMO, is about to unfold. We as the Gentiles, as a whole, have failed to live the fulness of the everlasting Gospel. But again, there will be a believing remnant.

I do appreciate the expounding of this subject, as I believe it to be of the utmost importance. Again, I do believe it will reach a point, of literally life or death...

How much do you wanna bet that the Davidic Servant is or was someone on this forum?

Durzan wrote: ↑December 17th, 2019, 7:03 pm How much do you wanna bet that the Davidic Servant is or was someone on this forum?

Whatever you want, ill take the negativo...

simpleton wrote: ↑December 17th, 2019, 6:25 pm Keep it up boys, if you keep hungering and thirsting for knowledge and wisdom, but at the same time in humility and not for self aggrandizement, God will give it, in His own due time and according to His will.
This DS/DK, subject, I believe, is of the utmost importance today, as I believe it literally pertains to our temporal and spiritual salvation in these last days. And the rejection of it, I believe, eventually leads to death, both temporally and spiritually.
But, it is interesting, that in all of the Christian circles and including our church, that the "Second Coming" of Christ is the next eminent event. Yet it is not, (IMO), it is the advent of this Servant, and I think most will reject him, just like the Jews rejected Christ, well I should say, just like the LEADERS of the Jews rejected Him and also convinced their followers. I think the exact scenario is playing out today, except reversed. This Servant is and will be rejected, by most, but there will be a believing remnant. And He, (this Servant) will be and has been, rejected by the exact same elements and leaders,(type and a shadow) that rejected Christ in His Day.
The day of the remnant of Jacob, IMO, is about to unfold. We as the Gentiles, as a whole, have failed to live the fulness of the everlasting Gospel. But again, there will be a believing remnant.

I do appreciate the expounding of this subject, as I believe it to be of the utmost importance. Again, I do believe it will reach a point, of literally life or death...

I agree that accepting the Davidic Servant is a matter of life and death both spiritually and physically. Jesus hammers this point home in 3 Nephi 21:11 - “Therefore it shall come to pass that whosoever will not believe in my words, who am Jesus Christ, which the Father shall cause him to bring forth unto the Gentiles, and shall give unto him power that he shall bring them forth unto the Gentiles, (it shall be done even as Moses said) they shall be cut off from among my people who are of the covenant.“

Based on my own experiences, I believe that so long as we follow the living Prophet, being the Lord’s mouthpiece on earth, we will know the Davidic Servant when he comes. Most, however, will not recognize the Davidic Servant.

Isaiah 9:6 is referring to Jesus and none else. No amount of wishful thinking or wresting of scripture will ever change this fact. Read the provided references and discover this is true.

righteousrepublic wrote: ↑December 17th, 2019, 11:18 pm Isaiah 9:6 is referring to Jesus and none else. No amount of wishful thinking or wresting of scripture will ever change this fact. Read the provided references and discover this is true.

Well, I'll have to disagree, it is talking about the DS.