The Davidic Servant is The Holy Ghost

[Alaris]

I've published an article on a breakdown of "The Testament of Levi"

http://lordoftheseraphim.blogspot.com/2 ... -levi.html

I created a thread to discuss the article below, but the topic is quite relevant to this thread for anyone reading through sequentially, so I'm leaving a link here as well:

https://www.ldsfreedomforum.com/viewtop ... 14&t=52433

From the above thread:

Here's what the Testament of Levi confirms:

• 7 holy men who dress an 8th as High Priest of Israel
• The High Priest of Israel points to the Davidic Servant
• The High Priest of Israel - and his garb - point to him receiving the fullness of the priesthood
• Receiving the fullness of the Priesthood is becoming both King and Priest
• Receiving the fullness of the Priesthood is central to the Latter-day King David's mission just as Joseph Smith prophecied
• The Great Sign of the Son of Man is the Davidic Servant's sign rather than Jesus'
• There are seven patriarchs who align to seven dispensations
• The term "beloved" linked to the Davidic (beloved) Servant
• Loss of and restoration of the Priesthood
• A new Priesthood in the end times

Some new information - well new to me:

• The Davidic Servant binds Satan at the end
• The Davidic Servant opens the way to the Tree of Life (Iron Rod indeed!)

Although David was a king, he never did obtain the spirit and power of Elijah and the fullness of the Priesthood; and the Priesthood that he received, and the throne and kingdom of David is to be taken from him and given to another by the name of David in the last days, raised up out of his lineage. ~ Joseph Smith, Elias, Elijah, Messiah March 10, 1844


Consider The Testament of Levi traces back to the Dead Sea Scroll era - and though we don't have a complete manuscript, the implication is of course wonderful. Even if there were no physical evidence other than a 1666 Bible that includes the Testament of Levi - the many confirmations of truth here are truly astounding. (see article linked at beginning for sources)

For anyone new to this, please consider the Davidic Servant is the Holy Ghost. He is the Angel of the Lord of the Old Testament and beyond. The Holy Ghost is not some nameless man meant to hide in obscurity and anonymity until the end of time - but has been hidden for a purpose - to be unveiled at the very end. He has been sitting upon the throne as the lesser God of Israel to earn for himself an everlasting name.

Joseph also said that the Holy Ghost is now in a state of probation which if he should perform in righteousness he may pass through the same or a similar course of things that the Son has. (Franklin D. Richards (First Presidency) - The Words of Joseph Smith, p. 245; standardized)

[Michael Sherwin]

I've published an article on a breakdown of "The Testament of Levi"

http://lordoftheseraphim.blogspot.com/2 ... -levi.html

I created a thread to discuss the article below, but the topic is quite relevant to this thread for anyone reading through sequentially, so I'm leaving a link here as well:

https://www.ldsfreedomforum.com/viewtop ... 14&t=52433

From the above thread:

Here's what the Testament of Levi confirms:

• 7 holy men who dress an 8th as High Priest of Israel
• The High Priest of Israel points to the Davidic Servant
• The High Priest of Israel - and his garb - point to him receiving the fullness of the priesthood
• Receiving the fullness of the Priesthood is becoming both King and Priest
• Receiving the fullness of the Priesthood is central to the Latter-day King David's mission just as Joseph Smith prophecied
• The Great Sign of the Son of Man is the Davidic Servant's sign rather than Jesus'
• There are seven patriarchs who align to seven dispensations
• The term "beloved" linked to the Davidic (beloved) Servant
• Loss of and restoration of the Priesthood
• A new Priesthood in the end times

Some new information - well new to me:

• The Davidic Servant binds Satan at the end
• The Davidic Servant opens the way to the Tree of Life (Iron Rod indeed!)

Although David was a king, he never did obtain the spirit and power of Elijah and the fullness of the Priesthood; and the Priesthood that he received, and the throne and kingdom of David is to be taken from him and given to another by the name of David in the last days, raised up out of his lineage. ~ Joseph Smith, Elias, Elijah, Messiah March 10, 1844


Consider The Testament of Levi traces back to the Dead Sea Scroll era - and though we don't have a complete manuscript, the implication is of course wonderful. Even if there were no physical evidence other than a 1666 Bible that includes the Testament of Levi - the many confirmations of truth here are truly astounding. (see article linked at beginning for sources)

For anyone new to this, please consider the Davidic Servant is the Holy Ghost. He is the Angel of the Lord of the Old Testament and beyond. The Holy Ghost is not some nameless man meant to hide in obscurity and anonymity until the end of time - but has been hidden for a purpose - to be unveiled at the very end. He has been sitting upon the throne as the lesser God of Israel to earn for himself an everlasting name.

Joseph also said that the Holy Ghost is now in a state of probation which if he should perform in righteousness he may pass through the same or a similar course of things that the Son has. (Franklin D. Richards (First Presidency) - The Words of Joseph Smith, p. 245; standardized)

Hi Alaris, What is your opinion on the Lamb with 7 horns and 7 eyes which are the seven Spirits of God? Are they a total of 7 beings or is it 1 Lamb + 7 eyes/horns = 8 beings?

[Alaris]

I've published an article on a breakdown of "The Testament of Levi"

http://lordoftheseraphim.blogspot.com/2 ... -levi.html

I created a thread to discuss the article below, but the topic is quite relevant to this thread for anyone reading through sequentially, so I'm leaving a link here as well:

https://www.ldsfreedomforum.com/viewtop ... 14&t=52433

From the above thread:

Here's what the Testament of Levi confirms:

• 7 holy men who dress an 8th as High Priest of Israel
• The High Priest of Israel points to the Davidic Servant
• The High Priest of Israel - and his garb - point to him receiving the fullness of the priesthood
• Receiving the fullness of the Priesthood is becoming both King and Priest
• Receiving the fullness of the Priesthood is central to the Latter-day King David's mission just as Joseph Smith prophecied
• The Great Sign of the Son of Man is the Davidic Servant's sign rather than Jesus'
• There are seven patriarchs who align to seven dispensations
• The term "beloved" linked to the Davidic (beloved) Servant
• Loss of and restoration of the Priesthood
• A new Priesthood in the end times

Some new information - well new to me:

• The Davidic Servant binds Satan at the end
• The Davidic Servant opens the way to the Tree of Life (Iron Rod indeed!)

Although David was a king, he never did obtain the spirit and power of Elijah and the fullness of the Priesthood; and the Priesthood that he received, and the throne and kingdom of David is to be taken from him and given to another by the name of David in the last days, raised up out of his lineage. ~ Joseph Smith, Elias, Elijah, Messiah March 10, 1844


Consider The Testament of Levi traces back to the Dead Sea Scroll era - and though we don't have a complete manuscript, the implication is of course wonderful. Even if there were no physical evidence other than a 1666 Bible that includes the Testament of Levi - the many confirmations of truth here are truly astounding. (see article linked at beginning for sources)

For anyone new to this, please consider the Davidic Servant is the Holy Ghost. He is the Angel of the Lord of the Old Testament and beyond. The Holy Ghost is not some nameless man meant to hide in obscurity and anonymity until the end of time - but has been hidden for a purpose - to be unveiled at the very end. He has been sitting upon the throne as the lesser God of Israel to earn for himself an everlasting name.

Joseph also said that the Holy Ghost is now in a state of probation which if he should perform in righteousness he may pass through the same or a similar course of things that the Son has. (Franklin D. Richards (First Presidency) - The Words of Joseph Smith, p. 245; standardized)

Hi Alaris, What is your opinion on the Lamb with 7 horns and 7 eyes which are the seven Spirits of God? Are they a total of 7 beings or is it 1 Lamb + 7 eyes/horns = 8 beings?

8 beings - well 9 really. There is a lamb above them and a lamb below. Jesus Christ is above, and the Davidic Servant is below. During the cleaning ritual of the Levite priests, they sacrifice a lamb at dawn (alpha) and at the evening (omega) for seven days. The Omega Lamb - Jesus Christ - is the one who radiates all across our world as the dawn, and the alpha lamb - The Holy Ghost - is hidden as the night. There is a beautiful inversion here similar to first / last and last / first. The God who is on his first step of Godhood comes last and the God who is on His last step comes first - in fact securing the right of the continuance of heirs and joint heirs of Jesus Christ is central to the work of securing the fullness of the Father.

I just realized this - I always assumed the seven spirits of the Rod of Jesse signified the accomplishment of the Davidic Servant going from the sixth to the seventh level of mankind. However, if the spirits each represent one of the seven patriarchs, then we have yet another instance where there is seven holy ones and an eighth.

Isaiah 11:2 And the spirit of the Lord shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the Lord;

7 Spirit of the Lord (Michael - vacates throne for the 8th to sit here)
6 Wisdom (enoch or Gabriel /Noah, seeing / sixth chakra or third eye / eye of horus)
5 Understanding
4 Counsel (Sacrifice - Heart)
3 Might (Obedience)
2 Knowledge (repentance)
1 Fear of the Lord (Faith- base chakra / fight or flight)

It's not a perfect match, but some are pretty dang perfect like 7,3, and 1. I would make understanding level 6, for example as the 6th level is the first level of seeing (Isaiah 6 / 6th chakra / eye of horus ((see facsimiles 2/3))) Of course, Gabriel is second to Michael and his dispensation aligns to the 5th level, chakra (throat), and law of the Gospel. So, perhaps 5 is Enoch here if we're placing the spirits in order of rank.

7 Michael
6 Gabriel
5 Enoch
4 Abraham
3 Moses
2 Peter
1 Joseph Smith

[righteousrepublic]

Okay, we read in scripture that God, the Father, in the beginning, came down among a massive group of intelligences. He then created spirits for these intelligences, the first being Jehovah, followed by Lucifer, Michael/Adam, you and I...and including the Holy Ghost, of whom remains nameless.

We also learn that among these, now, spirits were many great and noble ones.

We also learn that God, the Father, has and is creating worlds without number by his first born Son, now the Only Begotten, His earthly name being Jesus Christ.

So, with all these worlds being created by the same God, and the same Son, and that there are three entities in the Godhead at all times for these worlds, and that there must be a Holy Ghost for all these worlds, just who is the Holy Ghost for all of them?

Are we to believe that the Holy Ghost will vacate his station and come to this earth to become a Davidic Servant?

I don't think so.

Are we to believe that if the Holy Ghost has to come to earth and take himself a body, that God will replace Him with another spirit?

[solonan]

RR if you don't believe in this stuff why do you bother reading it? What's the point of arguing it? You believe in God and you know that contention is not of him so why do you contend every time you get a chance?

[abijah]

To deny the Holy Ghost = Angel of the Lord = Davidic Servant you have to claim only one of these:

1) the Torah is a fake
2) the Psalms are crazy
3) Isaiah is crackers
4) Paul is a false prophet
5) Joseph Smith Jr is an occultic charlatan

Anyone willing to debate me I’ll pm you my skype.

[Alaris]

To deny the Holy Ghost = Angel of the Lord = Davidic Servant you have to claim only one of these:

1) the Torah is a fake
2) the Psalms are crazy
3) Isaiah is crackers
4) Paul is a false prophet
5) Joseph Smith Jr is an occultic charlatan

Anyone willing to debate me I’ll pm you my skype.

You know I've mentioned here a couple of times my mother is struggling along with many Mormons regarding Joseph Smiths alleged goings on with 14 year old girls. I've tried to help her see that this rabbit hole Joseph Smith revealed to us is sooooo much deeper than the vast majority of our members realize.

All these apocrypha I've been studying both confirm the truths Joseph Smith restored.... And almost all of them came to light after his death. And, both Joseph Smith and these Apocrypha reinforce Isaiah, psalms, Paul, Revelation, John, Matthew, exodus, leviticus, Genesis, Jeremiah, Amos, Zechariah, malachi, and Ezekiel and all that they say of the angel of the Lord and the Davidic heir. Bearing the ineffable name should be an overt clue as to link the Angel of the Lord to the Davidic bloodline.... Especially with all the keys of understanding we've received from the Book of Mormon, Doctrine and Covenants, and Pearl of Great Price.

Yet how many members of our church even know there is a single Malaki Yahweh who the lord warned Israel to obey and provoke him not for His name is in Him? His family name. How many members wonder how the fall festivitals are fulfilled and what the ordinances on Yom Kippur signify? It's like there's a spirit of deep sleep upon us.

How many realize our ordinances point to the fulfillment of the fall festivals just as the Mosaic laws of sacrifice pointed to the fulfillment of the spring festivals?

[abijah]

My point - CERN Occultism-fake what Joseph Smith Jr inaugurated. Meld and weld them I dare you distinguish them. For real. distinguish A from B before me Eye, let me see

Man, thank goodness for Joseph Smith.

Edit Lol this was meant to be a (yet-to-be-edited) PM not sure how it ended up here just fyi

[Alaris]

Okay, we read in scripture that God, the Father, in the beginning, came down among a massive group of intelligences. He then created spirits for these intelligences, the first being Jehovah, followed by Lucifer, Michael/Adam, you and I...and including the Holy Ghost, of whom remains nameless.

We also learn that among these, now, spirits were many great and noble ones.

We also learn that God, the Father, has and is creating worlds without number by his first born Son, now the Only Begotten, His earthly name being Jesus Christ.

So, with all these worlds being created by the same God, and the same Son, and that there are three entities in the Godhead at all times for these worlds, and that there must be a Holy Ghost for all these worlds, just who is the Holy Ghost for all of them?

Are we to believe that the Holy Ghost will vacate his station and come to this earth to become a Davidic Servant?

I don't think so.

Are we to believe that if the Holy Ghost has to come to earth and take himself a body, that God will replace Him with another spirit?

Was Jehovah replaced when He came here in the flesh? Then why would a lesser being need to be replaced? Do you know how the office of holy ghost is executed? Is there any scripture that says the holy ghost can't come in the flesh?

Better question... Do we have scriptures and / or quotes from Joseph Smith that indicate he will come in the flesh?

The Holy Ghost is yet a spiritual body and is waiting to take to himself a body, as the Savior did or as god did or the gods before them took bodies ~ Joseph Smith


Joseph Smith taught of the Elias who restores all things.

John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you

Whom the father will send in my name.

So, doesn't the Davidic Servant return Israel to a knowledge of their God and the covenants they made to him? I guess that's all a coincidence because we know so much about how the Holy Ghost does his job we know he couldn't possibly take upon himself a body here. We know nobody else could fill in for him too right? What's that? We don't know diddly about the machinations of the power of the Holy Ghost? Hrm... Maybe we shouldn't make any such conclusions about whether a lesser deity can condescend, especially when there's more evidence for than against.


John 16:8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:
9 Of sin, because they believe not on me;
10 Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more;

11 Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.

Wow that reads just like the rod of Jesse of Isaiah 11, especially when verse 7 is left out :

7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you


So I'm sure that's all a coincidence. I mean modern revelation indicates the rod of Jesse is a Servant in the hands of Christ on whom is laid much power... A descend and of the bloodline of birthright Ephraim and royal bloodline Jesse.... Coincidences. It's amazing how many presume to know that the Holy Ghost couldn't or wouldn't ever be born in a physical body on this world. Why wouldn't he? Would he just be the only spirit to forego a physical body?

Isaiah 11:3 And shall make him of quick understanding in the fear of the Lord: and he shall not judge after the sight of his eyes, neither reprove after the hearing of his ears:
4 But with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth: and he shall smite the earth with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked.
5 And righteousness shall be the girdle of his loins, and faithfulness the girdle of his reins.

[righteousrepublic]

RR if you don't believe in this stuff why do you bother reading it? What's the point of arguing it? You believe in God and you know that contention is not of him so why do you contend every time you get a chance?

Asking questions is being contentious? That's a new one. You see, when working a 5000 +/- piece puzzle, all the pieces must fit in their assigned and proper place in order to get the big picture when completed, right? Well, the more I ponder this stuff the more the pieces don't seem to fit. Additionally, a lot of pieces have the same paper look both on the back and front. Did the puzzle come that way?

I would think that anyone wanting to understand, let alone believe this stuff would ask questions instead of merely accepting everything at face value articulated by advocates of such questionable doctrines. This could be likened to someone changing into a swimming suit, running out into a pool area with their eyes closed and diving into a cement hole void of water. Ouch

Plus, I cannot contend with anyone I've placed on my ignore/foe list. That way I can ask questions, give comments, or make statements without getting intended flak in return. Makes for a much more civil discourse. The forum owner had wisdom in providing such a safe guard, don't you agree?

An apostle of the Lord has said: "if they cannot distinguish between the revealed word and the theories of men, they have no promise of gaining a fullness of truth by the power of the Holy Ghost."

So, I pose four questions:
Where do we gain the revealed word of God?
Where do we gain the theories of men?
Is there a difference?
Which one takes precedence, the revealed word of God or theories of men?

[righteousrepublic]

Romans 1:16
16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

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[Alaris]

RR if you don't believe in this stuff why do you bother reading it? What's the point of arguing it? You believe in God and you know that contention is not of him so why do you contend every time you get a chance?

Asking questions is being contentious? That's a new one. You see, when working a 5000 +/- piece puzzle, all the pieces must fit in their assigned and proper place in order to get the big picture when completed, right? Well, the more I ponder this stuff the more the pieces don't seem to fit. Additionally, a lot of pieces have the same paper look both on the back and front. Did the puzzle come that way?

I'm so glad you're pondering this stuff - but your posts do not reflect an open mind at all. In fact, you seem to work very hard at confirming a bias as to the Davidic Servant not being the Holy Ghost. Have you ever truly planted a seed here? I've engaged you throughout this thread where you've had this and that to say about the pieces not fitting - and I appreciate your zeal and your opposition to this idea as you've caused me to take a closer look at many of the things you've said. And that interaction has caused me to come to an even deeper understanding and firmer knowledge and testimony of the Davidic Servant being the Holy Ghost. You've been a part of this unfolding - and yet you seemingly still haven't even opened your mind enough to even consider but seem to just look for the next scripture that confirms a prior understanding.

I would think that anyone wanting to understand, let alone believe this stuff would ask questions instead of merely accepting everything at face value articulated by advocates of such questionable doctrines. This could be likened to someone changing into a swimming suit, running out into a pool area with their eyes closed and diving into a cement hole void of water. Ouch

Yes, but the scriptures also show that those who are just looking to oppose an idea may never see the truthfulness of said idea. An extreme example of this is the Pharisees and lawyers who were constantly trying to confirm their bias about Jesus being a nobody. They had the Son of God speaking to them face to face, the most wise and intelligent responses - yet they could not perceive him because they never really looked. Have you looked?

Plus, I cannot contend with anyone I've placed on my ignore/foe list. That way I can ask questions, give comments, or make statements without getting intended flak in return. Makes for a much more civil discourse. The forum owner had wisdom in providing such a safe guard, don't you agree?

An apostle of the Lord has said: "if they cannot distinguish between the revealed word and the theories of men, they have no promise of gaining a fullness of truth by the power of the Holy Ghost."

The Lord Himself said: “He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.” (Matt. 13:11)

A prophet of the Lord said: “I advise all to go on to perfection and search deeper and deeper into the mysteries of Godliness”
(The Words of Joseph Smith, pg. 366)

The Lord through said prophet said this: “And if thou wilt inquire, thou shalt know mysteries which are great and marvelous; therefore thou
shalt exercise thy gift, that thou mayest find out mysteries, that thou mayest bring many to the knowledge
of the truth, yea, convince them of the error of their ways.” (D&C 6:11)

Have you inquired of the Lord, truly open to being wrong about your understanding that the Holy Ghost won't be coming in the flesh?

So, I pose four questions:
Where do we gain the revealed word of God?

From God. He has many avenues - the scriptures, the prophets, and the power of the Holy Ghost. The scriptures and the prophets agree we can and should seek the mysteries. In fact, they teach that the moment we stop seeking to learn - seeking to receive - we begin to lose what we have and begin to fall under the power of the devil. The fruits of the adversary are pride, anger, contention, and enmity.

Where do we gain the theories of men?
Is there a difference?
Which one takes precedence, the revealed word of God or theories of men?

Which one takes precedence - the revealed word or the Spirit? Ask Nephi, and he'll tell you in 1 Nephi 4. Seemingly murder and the revealed word are in contradiction, wouldn't you agree? Of course, we know the Lord has the authority to sentence death upon whom He will. The question is - how do you know whether you're hearing the theories of men or witnessing the mysteries of God being unfolded just as President Nelson said they're being unfolded? You cannot know if you don't look yourself and stop presuming "we have enough scripture and need no more scripture" - The scriptures themselves and words of the prophets indicate there is so much more to be revealed.

Are we to believe that if the Holy Ghost has to come to earth and take himself a body, that God will replace Him with another spirit?

First of all - who replaced Jehovah when He came in the flesh? Secondly, why couldn't someone else execute the office of the Holy Ghost while he's in the flesh - especially since the scriptures indicate he will be sounding the trump of the first resurrection. We don't know the machinations of the power of the Holy Ghost, and we certainly don't know that his lesser office and its duties would preempt him from coming in the flesh when the greater office of Jehovah was dis-occupied for 33 years. And isn't time a construct that doesn't exist where God resides? There's that.

[DRC53]

RR - I get where you are coming from ... I really do. I would have likely been in the same boat wondering where in the world Alaris is coming from. But, I cannot deny the truth of it. If I can be personal for a moment, the Lord revealed to me the truth of this long before Alaris said anything about it here. When I saw his post, I was dumbfounded that someone separately was writing about the Davidic Servant and the Holy Ghost being the same.

Now, I am not saying that you should believe it because it was revealed to me. What I am saying is that if it be true, then the Lord will let you know as well. My best to you in your pursuit!

[righteousrepublic]

BD Devil

...One of the major techniques of the devil is to cause human beings to think they are following God’s ways, when in reality they are deceived by the devil to follow other paths.

Hebrews 4:12
12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

[Alaris]

BD Devil

...One of the major techniques of the devil is to cause human beings to think they are following God’s ways, when in reality they are deceived by the devil to follow other paths.

Hebrews 4:12
12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

Two layers of irony here.

[righteousrepublic]

RR - I get where you are coming from ... I really do. I would have likely been in the same boat wondering where in the world Alaris is coming from. But, I cannot deny the truth of it. If I can be personal for a moment, the Lord revealed to me the truth of this long before Alaris said anything about it here. When I saw his post, I was dumbfounded that someone separately was writing about the Davidic Servant and the Holy Ghost being the same.

Now, I am not saying that you should believe it because it was revealed to me. What I am saying is that if it be true, then the Lord will let you know as well. My best to you in your pursuit!

Upon praying about this I came across these verses. Their message sunk deep into my soul, for I believe the message, warning and counsel given by our Lord.

D&C 43:5-7
5 And this shall be a law unto you, that ye receive not the teachings of any that shall come before you as revelations or commandments;
6 And this I give unto you that you may not be deceived, that you may know they are not of me.
7 For verily I say unto you, that he that is ordained of me shall come in at the gate and be ordained as I have told you before, to teach those revelations which you have received and shall receive through him whom I have appointed.

[Alaris]

[righteousrepublic]

Just in case this got missed I post it once again.

I cannot contend with anyone I've placed on my ignore/foe list. That way I can ask questions, give comments, or make statements without getting intended flak in return. Makes for a much more civil discourse. The forum owner had wisdom in providing such a safe guard, don't you agree?

An apostle of the Lord has said: "if they cannot distinguish between the revealed word and the theories of men, they have no promise of gaining a fullness of truth by the power of the Holy Ghost."

So, I pose four questions:
Where do we gain the revealed word of God?
Where do we gain the theories of men?
Is there a difference?
Which one takes precedence, the revealed word of God or theories of men?

[solonan]

Just in case this got missed I post it once again.

I cannot contend with anyone I've placed on my ignore/foe list. That way I can ask questions, give comments, or make statements without getting intended flak in return. Makes for a much more civil discourse. The forum owner had wisdom in providing such a safe guard, don't you agree?

An apostle of the Lord has said: "if they cannot distinguish between the revealed word and the theories of men, they have no promise of gaining a fullness of truth by the power of the Holy Ghost."

So, I pose four questions:
Where do we gain the revealed word of God?
Where do we gain the theories of men?
Is there a difference?
Which one takes precedence, the revealed word of God or theories of men?

Alaris answered you fully. I couldn't add more that would make a difference for you. Did you not care for his answers?

[DRC53]

RR - I get where you are coming from ... I really do. I would have likely been in the same boat wondering where in the world Alaris is coming from. But, I cannot deny the truth of it. If I can be personal for a moment, the Lord revealed to me the truth of this long before Alaris said anything about it here. When I saw his post, I was dumbfounded that someone separately was writing about the Davidic Servant and the Holy Ghost being the same.

Now, I am not saying that you should believe it because it was revealed to me. What I am saying is that if it be true, then the Lord will let you know as well. My best to you in your pursuit!

Upon praying about this I came across these verses. Their message sunk deep into my soul, for I believe the message, warning and counsel given by our Lord.

D&C 43:5-7
5 And this shall be a law unto you, that ye receive not the teachings of any that shall come before you as revelations or commandments;
6 And this I give unto you that you may not be deceived, that you may know they are not of me.
7 For verily I say unto you, that he that is ordained of me shall come in at the gate and be ordained as I have told you before, to teach those revelations which you have received and shall receive through him whom I have appointed.

RR - The circumstances in section 43 are completely different. In that time, a woman was proclaiming herself to be a prophetess. She claimed to have many prophecies and was seeking to be a leader in the church to teach of her prophecies. She wanted to speak for the church.

Here, no one is proclaiming to be a prophet. No one is seeking to speak for the Lord. All here sustain President Nelson as the Lord’s only person who can speak for the Lord to the Church and the world.

Alaris and others have felt compelled to share some here on LDSFF. It’s information that you can just review and then put on the shelf until revealed by the living Prophet for the Church and world in total. I am thankful that Alaris shares his insights with me and us because 9 times out 10, it seems to be another witness of things the Lord has already revealed to me.

My suggestion is to just put the matter on the shelf and wait to see how things unfold.

[righteousrepublic]

RR - I get where you are coming from ... I really do. I would have likely been in the same boat wondering where in the world Alaris is coming from. But, I cannot deny the truth of it. If I can be personal for a moment, the Lord revealed to me the truth of this long before Alaris said anything about it here. When I saw his post, I was dumbfounded that someone separately was writing about the Davidic Servant and the Holy Ghost being the same.

Now, I am not saying that you should believe it because it was revealed to me. What I am saying is that if it be true, then the Lord will let you know as well. My best to you in your pursuit!

Upon praying about this I came across these verses. Their message sunk deep into my soul, for I believe the message, warning and counsel given by our Lord.

D&C 43:5-7
5 And this shall be a law unto you, that ye receive not the teachings of any that shall come before you as revelations or commandments;
6 And this I give unto you that you may not be deceived, that you may know they are not of me.
7 For verily I say unto you, that he that is ordained of me shall come in at the gate and be ordained as I have told you before, to teach those revelations which you have received and shall receive through him whom I have appointed.

RR - The circumstances in section 43 are completely different. In that time, a woman was proclaiming herself to be a prophetess. She claimed to have many prophecies and was seeking to be a leader in the church to teach of her prophecies. She wanted to speak for the church.

Here, no one is proclaiming to be a prophet. No one is seeking to speak for the Lord. All here sustain President Nelson as the Lord’s only person who can speak for the Lord to the Church and the world.

Alaris and others have felt compelled to share some here on LDSFF. It’s information that you can just review and then put on the shelf until revealed by the living Prophet for the Church and world in total. I am thankful that Alaris shares his insights with me and us because 9 times out 10, it seems to be another witness of things the Lord has already revealed to me.

My suggestion is to just put the matter on the shelf and wait to see how things unfold.

Perhaps you forgot, but we are told to liken the scriptures to ourselves as if they are newly brought forth. Plus when one reads the heading, we read this:

1–7, Revelations and commandments come only through the one appointed;

So, when we enter all 7 verses here, we read:

1 O hearken, ye elders of my church, and give ear to the words which I shall speak unto you.

2 For behold, verily, verily, I say unto you, that ye have received a commandment for a (law, see D&C 42:1-93 unto my church, through him whom I have appointed unto you to receive commandments and revelations from my hand.

3 And this ye shall know assuredly—that there is none other appointed unto you to receive commandments and revelations until he be taken, if he abide in me.

4 But verily, verily, I say unto you, that none else shall be appointed unto this gift except it be through him; for if it be taken from him he shall not have power except to appoint another in his stead.

5 And this shall be a law unto you, that ye receive not the teachings of any that shall come before you as revelations or commandments;

6 And this I give unto you that you may not be deceived, that you may know they are not of me.

7 For verily I say unto you, that he that is ordained of me shall come in at the gate and be ordained as I have told you before, to teach those revelations which you have received and shall receive through him whom I have appointed.


So I take it to mean that we need to be wary of people that tell us they got a revelation on such and such unless they are appointed by God to have received it for the benefit of the whole and not just a few.

When does being compelled equate to what is right? This doctrine causes a lot of discord and contention. These two factors alone make the message questionable. Alaris and others are not prophets and what they say is not gospel truth. Scripture tells us we will get revelation through those who are called by God to speak in his behalf. There is a difference between being compelled and being inspired, wouldn't you agree?

I don't mind putting all this on a shelf now. I am completely satisfied with my answer.

[simpleton]

RR - I get where you are coming from ... I really do. I would have likely been in the same boat wondering where in the world Alaris is coming from. But, I cannot deny the truth of it. If I can be personal for a moment, the Lord revealed to me the truth of this long before Alaris said anything about it here. When I saw his post, I was dumbfounded that someone separately was writing about the Davidic Servant and the Holy Ghost being the same.

Now, I am not saying that you should believe it because it was revealed to me. What I am saying is that if it be true, then the Lord will let you know as well. My best to you in your pursuit!

Upon praying about this I came across these verses. Their message sunk deep into my soul, for I believe the message, warning and counsel given by our Lord.

D&C 43:5-7
5 And this shall be a law unto you, that ye receive not the teachings of any that shall come before you as revelations or commandments;
6 And this I give unto you that you may not be deceived, that you may know they are not of me.
7 For verily I say unto you, that he that is ordained of me shall come in at the gate and be ordained as I have told you before, to teach those revelations which you have received and shall receive through him whom I have appointed.

RR - The circumstances in section 43 are completely different. In that time, a woman was proclaiming herself to be a prophetess. She claimed to have many prophecies and was seeking to be a leader in the church to teach of her prophecies. She wanted to speak for the church.

Here, no one is proclaiming to be a prophet. No one is seeking to speak for the Lord. All here sustain President Nelson as the Lord’s only person who can speak for the Lord to the Church and the world.

Alaris and others have felt compelled to share some here on LDSFF. It’s information that you can just review and then put on the shelf until revealed by the living Prophet for the Church and world in total. I am thankful that Alaris shares his insights with me and us because 9 times out 10, it seems to be another witness of things the Lord has already revealed to me.

My suggestion is to just put the matter on the shelf and wait to see how things unfold.

Perhaps you forgot, but we are told to liken the scriptures to ourselves as if they are newly brought forth. Plus when one reads the heading, we read this:

1–7, Revelations and commandments come only through the one appointed;

So, when we enter all 7 verses here, we read:

1 O hearken, ye elders of my church, and give ear to the words which I shall speak unto you.

2 For behold, verily, verily, I say unto you, that ye have received a commandment for a (law, see D&C 42:1-93 unto my church, through him whom I have appointed unto you to receive commandments and revelations from my hand.

3 And this ye shall know assuredly—that there is none other appointed unto you to receive commandments and revelations until he be taken, if he abide in me.

4 But verily, verily, I say unto you, that none else shall be appointed unto this gift except it be through him; for if it be taken from him he shall not have power except to appoint another in his stead.

5 And this shall be a law unto you, that ye receive not the teachings of any that shall come before you as revelations or commandments;

6 And this I give unto you that you may not be deceived, that you may know they are not of me.

7 For verily I say unto you, that he that is ordained of me shall come in at the gate and be ordained as I have told you before, to teach those revelations which you have received and shall receive through him whom I have appointed.


So I take it to mean that we need to be wary of people that tell us they got a revelation on such and such unless they are appointed by God to have received it for the benefit of the whole and not just a few.

When does being compelled equate to what is right? This doctrine causes a lot of discord and contention. These two factors alone make the message questionable. Alaris and others are not prophets and what they say is not gospel truth. Scripture tells us we will get revelation through those who are called by God to speak in his behalf. There is a difference between being compelled and being inspired, wouldn't you agree?

I don't mind putting all this on a shelf now. I am completely satisfied with my answer.

I have been reading this subject since the beginning. IMO, what you are suggesting that Alaris is doing, is way beyond what I see he is doing. He is not even coming close to what you are suggesting. He is sharing his studies and conclusions upon this subject that actually is quite, IMO, a topic that should be studied by all. At the same time he simply suggests that everyone interested get there own light upon this subject. You are accusing him, almost, that he is trying to replace the prophet seer and revelator of the church. I have not seen that in the slightest. The topic of discussion is right before our eyes, in the scriptures. It has been there and it is for free for anyone that is interested. The rest can just walk on by and depend upon other mens light. And yes the time is coming where not one soul will be able to live on borrowed light. But today we still are.
Now if Alaris was to make some grandiose claim that he is this Servant, then we can start squabbling.

[righteousrepublic]

I have been reading this subject since the beginning. IMO, what you are suggesting that Alaris is doing, is way beyond what I see he is doing. He is not even coming close to what you are suggesting. He is sharing his studies and conclusions upon this subject that actually is quite, IMO, a topic that should be studied by all. At the same time he simply suggests that everyone interested get there own light upon this subject. You are accusing him, almost, that he is trying to replace the prophet seer and revelator of the church. I have not seen that in the slightest. The topic of discussion is right before our eyes, in the scriptures. It has been there and it is for free for anyone that is interested. The rest can just walk on by and depend upon other mens light. And yes the time is coming where not one soul will be able to live on borrowed light. But today we still are.
Now if Alaris was to make some grandiose claim that he is this Servant, then we can start squabbling.

Make up your own mind.
http://lordoftheseraphim.blogspot.com/
http://www.mormondialogue.org/topic/714 ... c-servant/

More on the Davidic King: https://www.ldsfreedomforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=2589
http://ldssoul.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=218
https://jewsforjesus.org/jewish-resourc ... -of-david/
http://www.7witnesses.com/uploads/3/8/9 ... _jacob.pdf
https://thirdmill.org/magazine/article. ... ant%20King
https://www.cjfm.org/blog/2018/12/11/lo ... testament/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Davidic_d ... e_prophecy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Testa ... _Testament
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ttQX0gkr34
https://www.oneplace.com/ministries/wat ... 15215.html
https://isaiahinstitute.com/articles/index.html
https://rcg.org/books/hgkwc.html?gclid= ... gLJm_D_BwE

So, who is spot on right, huh?

[DRC53]

RR - I get where you are coming from ... I really do. I would have likely been in the same boat wondering where in the world Alaris is coming from. But, I cannot deny the truth of it. If I can be personal for a moment, the Lord revealed to me the truth of this long before Alaris said anything about it here. When I saw his post, I was dumbfounded that someone separately was writing about the Davidic Servant and the Holy Ghost being the same.

Now, I am not saying that you should believe it because it was revealed to me. What I am saying is that if it be true, then the Lord will let you know as well. My best to you in your pursuit!

Upon praying about this I came across these verses. Their message sunk deep into my soul, for I believe the message, warning and counsel given by our Lord.

D&C 43:5-7
5 And this shall be a law unto you, that ye receive not the teachings of any that shall come before you as revelations or commandments;
6 And this I give unto you that you may not be deceived, that you may know they are not of me.
7 For verily I say unto you, that he that is ordained of me shall come in at the gate and be ordained as I have told you before, to teach those revelations which you have received and shall receive through him whom I have appointed.

RR - The circumstances in section 43 are completely different. In that time, a woman was proclaiming herself to be a prophetess. She claimed to have many prophecies and was seeking to be a leader in the church to teach of her prophecies. She wanted to speak for the church.

Here, no one is proclaiming to be a prophet. No one is seeking to speak for the Lord. All here sustain President Nelson as the Lord’s only person who can speak for the Lord to the Church and the world.

Alaris and others have felt compelled to share some here on LDSFF. It’s information that you can just review and then put on the shelf until revealed by the living Prophet for the Church and world in total. I am thankful that Alaris shares his insights with me and us because 9 times out 10, it seems to be another witness of things the Lord has already revealed to me.

My suggestion is to just put the matter on the shelf and wait to see how things unfold.

Perhaps you forgot, but we are told to liken the scriptures to ourselves as if they are newly brought forth. Plus when one reads the heading, we read this:

1–7, Revelations and commandments come only through the one appointed;

So, when we enter all 7 verses here, we read:

1 O hearken, ye elders of my church, and give ear to the words which I shall speak unto you.

2 For behold, verily, verily, I say unto you, that ye have received a commandment for a (law, see D&C 42:1-93 unto my church, through him whom I have appointed unto you to receive commandments and revelations from my hand.

3 And this ye shall know assuredly—that there is none other appointed unto you to receive commandments and revelations until he be taken, if he abide in me.

4 But verily, verily, I say unto you, that none else shall be appointed unto this gift except it be through him; for if it be taken from him he shall not have power except to appoint another in his stead.

5 And this shall be a law unto you, that ye receive not the teachings of any that shall come before you as revelations or commandments;

6 And this I give unto you that you may not be deceived, that you may know they are not of me.

7 For verily I say unto you, that he that is ordained of me shall come in at the gate and be ordained as I have told you before, to teach those revelations which you have received and shall receive through him whom I have appointed.


So I take it to mean that we need to be wary of people that tell us they got a revelation on such and such unless they are appointed by God to have received it for the benefit of the whole and not just a few.

When does being compelled equate to what is right? This doctrine causes a lot of discord and contention. These two factors alone make the message questionable. Alaris and others are not prophets and what they say is not gospel truth. Scripture tells us we will get revelation through those who are called by God to speak in his behalf. There is a difference between being compelled and being inspired, wouldn't you agree?

I don't mind putting all this on a shelf now. I am completely satisfied with my answer.

I’m sorry. It appears that you’re refusing to look at anything anyone is saying and you just want to contend. You apparently did not read my post. Yes, we liken the scriptures to ourselves, but not out of context. You are taking the words in section 43 and applying those words out of context to a situation in which no one is trying to speak for the Lord, no one is trying to reveal anything to the Church, and no one is claiming to be a prophet. If you read my post, you would realize that nothing in your response responds to the substance of my post.

Regarding the word “compelled,” the scriptures are replete with examples in which people were compelled to do this or that by the Spirit.

I really don’t understand why you are so insistent to continue to argue this matter. You’ve stated your point over and over. There’s nothing more for you to say. There’s obviously nothing more to say other than to continue in this incessant bickering. It reminds me of children who argue over and over, “Was to!” to only hear back, “No, it wasn’t!” over and over .

[righteousrepublic]

I’m sorry. It appears that you’re refusing to look at anything anyone is saying and you just want to contend. You apparently did not read my post. Yes, we liken the scriptures to ourselves, but not out of context. You are taking the words in section 43 and applying those words out of context to a situation in which no one is trying to speak for the Lord, no one is trying to reveal anything to the Church, and no one is claiming to be a prophet. If you read my post, you would realize that nothing in your response responds to the substance of my post.

Regarding the word “compelled,” the scriptures are replete with examples in which people were compelled to do this or that by the Spirit.

I really don’t understand why you are so insistent to continue to argue this matter. You’ve stated your point over and over. There’s nothing more for you to say. There’s obviously nothing more to say other than to continue in this incessant bickering. It reminds me of children who argue over and over, “Was to!” to only hear back, “No, it wasn’t!” over and over .

Whatsoever you say. It's got to be gospel truth.

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However, think about it. If someone not believing in MMP or this Holy Ghost being the Davidic Servant were to start their own thread(s), and had anything to say in opposition to what either of these existing threads expound in favor of these teachings, just who do you think would be in the forefront of contending against them like an out of control freight train? Huh?