The Davidic Servant is The Holy Ghost

abijah · Post by **abijah** » June 19th, 2019, 10:14 pm

righteousrepublic wrote: ↑June 19th, 2019, 10:09 pm Sounds like there has been and will be culture changes. Are we supposed to have idols?

Well Hosea clearly yearns for the day when the teraphim, like in ancient practices, will be reinstated in the endtime. Certainly indicates a radical culture shift to me. Certainly seems like the sort of thing modern Big Tech is seeking to replicate, or soon will.

Everyone wants eternal life. But there is ultimately one way to obtain it.

Robbinius · Post by **Robbinius** » June 20th, 2019, 9:58 am

Alaris wrote: ↑June 19th, 2019, 6:01 pm I love the seven deadly heresies. I've heard and read it many times and could probably do a mean Bruce R impression. I'll always be grateful to Bruce R who is the one who awakened me to the truth of there being seven archangels in Mormon Doctrine, since that isn't listed anywhere in our canon but is all over the apocrypha. Hrm.... I wonder why that is! Did God or the Devil want Job tested?

It's just too bad Bruce R never became prophet and had the authority to declare doctrine! Isn't it? Because I'm not going spend any time on pointing out how Jesus wasn't perfect until he ascended and the Holy Ghost is below Jesus in authority - and thus has not received all - ...or spend time telling you that Bruce R is clearly speaking of God the Father. Whoops! I just did!

I appreciate Davka and DJB's replies above which are far more charitable than mine. I submit to you righteousrepublic, that you keep posting here because:

A. You just don't like Alaris (though I don't know how anyone would get that idea lol)
B. There's something about this thread you just can't seem to get over

I guess it could be both. Let's let bygones be bygones. I applaud you for reading Val. Did you know he believes in MMP? He's got an article on it somewhere, and I'm happy to send it to you if you'd like. Please consider I don't agree with everything he says in that article, in fact I disagree with some things strongly. However, Val is clearly a truth seeker and he does have a gift to make connections undoubtedly.

I'm going to join my voice to Davka and DJB and Abijah and any others who have posted their witness that the Davidic Servant is the Holy Ghost and ask that you ask in humility, willing to be wrong. Heck, even plant a seed. Your "draw" you declared earlier awesomely was lost by your own rules rather humorously, almost like deep, deep, down you wanted to lose. Sort of like the one whose faith in God is in question who prays and says, "God show me a sign or you don't exist!" and then a random stranger shows that person kindness later that same day.

I was praying about you RR yesterday ... and today ... considering whether I should even respond to you. Then the thought came to me, "why does he keep posting?" Is it because you don't believe or is it because you're starting to believe and it is so unsettling you're trying your darndest to stamp this all out! Davka astutely pointed out you used to not believe in the Davidic Servant. I remember that! I had forgotten. Even embracing Val is a good step imho because the one who is 10 % correct but believes and receives is better off than the person who is 90 % correct and says, "we have enough." Do you know why that is? I'm happy to explain, but sometimes answers are best found personally.

Val Brinkerhoff is way zanier than Avraham Gileadi. Have you followed the Lord's command to take that deep dive into Isaiah yet with a humble heart and a prayer? Are you willing to let go of past conclusions you've assumed to be true to embrace actual truth - new information? Did you know Joseph Smith said when the heavens are opened they are opened to show you something you've never before considered?

If God just handed you knowledge written on a tablet by his own finger that reads, "The Davidic Servant is the Holy Ghost" and then commanded you to share that experience here, would it pain you?

I think why I keep asking if you're actually reading my posts is because the things you keep posting don't seem to even consider what's being said. That's not a fair judgement to place upon you. If I had not walked the path I have walked, I wonder if I would be able to recognize this truth if I were reading this thread like you.

However, you did lay out a challenge, and witnesses responded to you. In the mouth of two or three witnesses....that has satisfied your demand. Now, I don't challenge you to prove me wrong RR. I challenge you to get on your knees and ask God if these things are not true. What on earth could you have to lose? Your pride? Remember, that's a good thing. Do you, or do you not believe God will answer you? Because until you do this, you will not have done what at least 5 folks in this thread have done. Gospel dispensations have started on less.

I have been hesitant to add my testimony here because this is a precious truth to me that I don't even speak about with other people in person. It's like the real meaning of the Savior's parables. They were hidden for a reason and I have feared sharing truths that others aren't ready for and might then be accountable for. This is the very principle of Alma 12:9-11 in action.

9 And now Alma began to expound these things unto him, saying: It is given unto many to know the mysteries of God; nevertheless they are laid under a strict command that they shall not impart only according to the portion of his word which he doth grant unto the children of men, according to the heed and diligence which they give unto him.
10 And therefore, he that will harden his heart, the same receiveth the lesser portion of the word; and he that will not harden his heart, to him is given the greater portion of the word, until it is given unto him to know the mysteries of God until he know them in full.
11 And they that will harden their hearts, to them is given the lesser portion of the word until they know nothing concerning his mysteries; and then they are taken captive by the devil, and led by his will down to destruction. Now this is what is meant by the chains of hell.

There are of course mysteries that God is anxious to teach but we are charged with keeping them to ourselves unless moved upon by the Holy Ghost to share.

I first began to understand the doctrine of MMP back in 2011. I spoke of it to no one and pondered it in my heart for a little over 7 years, when I stumbled upon this forum. I was amazed at how much Alaris' articles synced up with, and moved well beyond my own understanding. I studied, pondered, prayed, and took these things to the temple weekly from last December to now. The seed has born fruit and blossomed and the Spirit has taught me more and more each week. It's not even a question for me anymore whether we do this mortality thing more than once.

Part of the danger of speaking of this doctrine is when people don't fully understand it, they can take it as a second-chance doctrine. I think this is the biggest reason it has been obscured intentionally by God. Amulek wasn't wrong when he said "For behold, this life is the time for men to prepare to meet God; yea, behold the day of this life is the day for men to perform their labors" (Alma 34:32). It truly is. There is no time to waste in this probation. It requires everything. This is why Joseph said:

D&C 130:18 Whatever principle of intelligence we attain unto in this life, it will rise with us in the resurrection.
19 And if a person gains more knowledge and intelligence in this life through his diligence and obedience than another, he will have so much the advantage in the world to come.

A true understanding of this doctrine leads us to a greater sense of urgency in the work; a greater love and respect for the living prophets of God, and a greater willingness to do those things in our callings that we may otherwise procrastinate or leave undone. But the danger of not getting that understanding, which may lead to slothfulness and sin, is the greater risk. Which is why I don't really talk about it with others.

I am one who also has a strong love and respect for Elder McConkie. I have listened to Seven Deadly Heresies and Our Relationship with the Lord more times than I can count. I own and study his DNTC series. I have a Bruce R. McConkie playlist on iTunes with dozens of his BYU devotionals and conference talks. I love him and yearn for the day I get to meet him. On this subject, if every single prophet had always taught against this doctrine then I would've cast it out immediately. There are certain places I'm not willing to go. Going against all the prophets is one of them. I struggled with his very clear statement against this doctrine for several years. How could there be such confusion over this point of doctrine? I put it on the shelf and just prayed about it until I was led to my answer earlier this year. I have my answer and will share if I feel prompted to do so. It has reconciled everything for me. I do believe this doctrine to be true. I believe he is the Holy Ghost, and I am leaning toward Him being James. I haven't confirmed this last identity though. It's as though it's...hidden...

Also, Alaris, I have a few more thoughts regarding an additional identity of the Davidic Servant that seems to be emerging for me in my studies lately. I'll PM you about it as soon as I can get them organized.

Alaris · Post by **Alaris** » June 20th, 2019, 1:47 pm

Robbinius wrote: ↑June 20th, 2019, 9:58 am I have been hesitant to add my testimony here because this is a precious truth to me that I don't even speak about with other people in person. It's like the real meaning of the Savior's parables. They were hidden for a reason and I have feared sharing truths that others aren't ready for and might then be accountable for. This is the very principle of Alma 12:9-11 in action.

I definitely thought about adding your name, but I wasn't sure if you had posted your witness publicly, so I'm glad I didn't! President Nelson says you must learn to receive from the Holy Ghost to survive spiritually. Obviously if you believe the Holy Ghost is here among us in mortality, then this is a very intentional, layered meaning. Many layers - such as, "I can't just hand you this knowledge, and it won't come from the top down but from the bottom up." Keep those wicks trimmed and lamps oiled, else the parable would be a bunch of virgins following one man around with oil in his lamp lighting the way for everyone.

Robbinius wrote: ↑June 20th, 2019, 9:58 am 9 And now Alma began to expound these things unto him, saying: It is given unto many to know the mysteries of God; nevertheless they are laid under a strict command that they shall not impart only according to the portion of his word which he doth grant unto the children of men, according to the heed and diligence which they give unto him.
10 And therefore, he that will harden his heart, the same receiveth the lesser portion of the word; and he that will not harden his heart, to him is given the greater portion of the word, until it is given unto him to know the mysteries of God until he know them in full.
11 And they that will harden their hearts, to them is given the lesser portion of the word until they know nothing concerning his mysteries; and then they are taken captive by the devil, and led by his will down to destruction. Now this is what is meant by the chains of hell.

This also reinforces the parable of the 10 virgins. To keep your lamp oiled and wick trimmed, you have to always be asking, seeking, and knocking. The moment we say "we have enough" and harden our hearts ...that oil starts to drain quickly imho.

Robbinius wrote: ↑June 20th, 2019, 9:58 am There are of course mysteries that God is anxious to teach but we are charged with keeping them to ourselves unless moved upon by the Holy Ghost to share.

I first began to understand the doctrine of MMP back in 2011. I spoke of it to no one and pondered it in my heart for a little over 7 years, when I stumbled upon this forum. I was amazed at how much Alaris' articles synced up with, and moved well beyond my own understanding. I studied, pondered, prayed, and took these things to the temple weekly from last December to now. The seed has born fruit and blossomed and the Spirit has taught me more and more each week. It's not even a question for me anymore whether we do this mortality thing more than once.

I've said this before, so I apologize for the broken record--I always thought MMP was so obvious and such a lighter deep doctrine that folks would at least consider it without flying to pieces like glass. I've had several folks reach out to me from my blog that they've felt similarly and were also shocked, as was I, at the extreme anger that's received at the mere suggesting it. If it's false, why all that anger? Could it be Alma 12 in play? Have those flaxen cords become binding after folks stop seeking and receiving? MMP is key to understand who the Davidic Servant is. If the devil was indeed lobbying for or fell from the office of the Holy Ghost, then he hates the servant. The "fury of thy oppressor" is what the Lord says to the servant when he awakens him in Isaiah 51. Fury indeed. And if true, then at the mere mention of MMP, those cords are yanked by the fury of the oppressor. Sad to see so many are so wrapped up they don't even seem to notice the fruits of the adversary that stand in stark contrast to the fruits of the spirit. Anger, dishonesty, contention. I can't tell you how many times I've been deliberately misstated, misquoted or had fabricated conclusions attributed to me. It's like the very devils themselves are screaming.

Robbinius wrote: ↑June 20th, 2019, 9:58 am Part of the danger of speaking of this doctrine is when people don't fully understand it, they can take it as a second-chance doctrine. I think this is the biggest reason it has been obscured intentionally by God. Amulek wasn't wrong when he said "For behold, this life is the time for men to prepare to meet God; yea, behold the day of this life is the day for men to perform their labors" (Alma 34:32). It truly is. There is no time to waste in this probation. It requires everything. This is why Joseph said:

D&C 130:18 Whatever principle of intelligence we attain unto in this life, it will rise with us in the resurrection.
19 And if a person gains more knowledge and intelligence in this life through his diligence and obedience than another, he will have so much the advantage in the world to come.

A true understanding of this doctrine leads us to a greater sense of urgency in the work; a greater love and respect for the living prophets of God, and a greater willingness to do those things in our callings that we may otherwise procrastinate or leave undone. But the danger of not getting that understanding, which may lead to slothfulness and sin, is the greater risk. Which is why I don't really talk about it with others.

Beautifully said. However, I strongly believe it's not those who aren't ready to hear it that go straight to "rinse and repeat" but those who are being yanked about by the flaxen cord or the binding chains. Regular folks just listen, and if they're not ready - why get all angry and break out the torches? Those are struggling within, literally, with their own demons because of the principles outline in Alma 12.

Each run on Jacob's ladder must be climbed. No rung can be skipped. Our new (old) name aligns to the laws of Obedience and Sacrifice. Our name now aligns to the Law of the Gospel, for that is the time and season. Each principle mastered, all knowledge gained, rises with us in the world to come. Combine the above, amazing quote from Joseph Smith with this one:

“When you climb up a ladder, you must begin at the bottom and ascend step by step, until you arrive at the top; and so it is with the principles of the Gospel– you must begin with the first, and go on until you learn all the principles of exaltation. But it will be a great while after you have passed through the veil before you will have learned them. It will be a great work to learn our salvation and exaltation even beyond the grave.” Joseph Smith, History of the Church, 6:306-307

I mean if you just sit and think about the temple. Why do we align to the Law of the Gospel. Why does our "new name" align to the laws of Obedience and Gospel. Why does no name at all align to Chastity and Consecration. Notice how when we make those covenants, no name is used, unlike the first two which tell you WHICH name to use. Past, present, and future. Who you were before was attaining to the principles of obedience (level 3 - Moses) and sacrifice (level 4- Abraham / Levi / Aaron)

Robbinius wrote: ↑June 20th, 2019, 9:58 am I am one who also has a strong love and respect for Elder McConkie. I have listened to Seven Deadly Heresies and Our Relationship with the Lord more times than I can count. I own and study his DNTC series. I have a Bruce R. McConkie playlist on iTunes with dozens of his BYU devotionals and conference talks. I love him and yearn for the day I get to meet him. On this subject, if every single prophet had always taught against this doctrine then I would've cast it out immediately. There are certain places I'm not willing to go. Going against all the prophets is one of them. I struggled with his very clear statement against this doctrine for several years. How could there be such confusion over this point of doctrine? I put it on the shelf and just prayed about it until I was led to my answer earlier this year. I have my answer and will share if I feel prompted to do so. It has reconciled everything for me. I do believe this doctrine to be true. I believe he is the Holy Ghost, and I am leaning toward Him being James. I haven't confirmed this last identity though. It's as though it's...hidden...

Also, Alaris, I have a few more thoughts regarding an additional identity of the Davidic Servant that seems to be emerging for me in my studies lately. I'll PM you about it as soon as I can get them organized.

I can't wait to hear! I don't think Bruce R necessarily knew about the Davidic Servant & Holy Ghost - given times and seasons and all. We forget the apostles disciples of the Lord who reveals to them what He wills when He wills. I don't think Bruce R was necessarily wrong about no progression between kingdoms - however I think he's referring to an everlasting consignment. Perhaps folks are given a chance to progress ... just like the temple shows us ... from one law to the next .. from one kingdom to the next as we master those laws which align to kingdoms. It's about as clear as can be in the temple - you progress through these kingdoms where there are greater and greater laws that must be mastered. However, perhaps the final judgement of eternal consignment is for those who either don't choose this path, or proves there aren't endless chances. Once final judgement is given....it's final but until then ...happy to be wrong. Many folks believe a truly merciful God would always allow any willing soul another opportunity because why not? Whatever the case, the plan of course will be perfectly merciful without robbing perfect justice.

Alaris · Post by **Alaris** » June 22nd, 2019, 7:00 pm

Isaiah 6 is the ordinance of the Seraphim where they are sent to the world to teach to those who cannot see or hear or understand. This is the first order of "seeing." (6th order of mankind)

I was thinking, which is actually be difficult by the way as I'm quite ill (extra prayers appreciated), about the steeper descent and ascents that correspond. The Davidic Servant is a lesser participant in the Davidic Covenant. Though his descent and ascent will match they will both pale in comparison the Lord's.

Jesus was sent to the Jews... The doubly cursed least of Israel. They are of such a level as to crucify their own God.

But what about the Davidic Servant? He will be sent among the Ephraim items (5th order) per Isaiah 28, the doubly blessed greatest tribe of Israel. Yet Isaiah 28 indicates Ephraim is in no state to receive or recognize him, I don't think he will be physically marred by Ephraim. Might could be wrong on that but it the lesser descent aligns to the lesser God being sent among the greatest of Israel... Imho

I mean let's be real. Would Ephraim start changing "crucify him?"

I was just thinking, "Why is Ephraim blind?" Then this all sort of snapped into focus.

abijah · Post by **abijah** » June 22nd, 2019, 7:35 pm

Alaris wrote: ↑June 22nd, 2019, 7:00 pm Isaiah 6 is the ordinance of the Seraphim where they are sent to the world to teach to those who cannot see or hear or understand.

Haven’t considered a correlation put quite like that, interesting.

I was thinking, which is actually be difficult by the way as I'm quite ill (extra prayers appreciated), about the steeper descent and ascents that correspond. The Davidic Servant is a lesser participant in the Davidic Covenant. Though his descent and ascent will match they will both pale in comparison the Lord's.

Hopefully you feel better soon

The Davidic Servant is clearly the lesser figure, like how it is with all covenants, in which God is always the higher authority. Though I’ve come to find the term “davidic servant” less and less tasteful, as it diminishes the scope of the mission. This is the angel who preserved Abraham, in whom is typed the fulfillment of the entirety of the Abrahamic covenant through which the blessings of the Sanctuary (return to Eden/God’s Presence) flow down to all the families of the earth, honouring the covenant of our first father. This is the dispensation of fire, set to burn and cleanse the world complementary with the flood and that Noahic covenant. And note it was after Noah that Abraham enters the scene, and the angel of the LORD. Jesus describes him as the “other Paraclete”, drawing a natural complementary comparison with His own Self. While I don’t think them equal, the descents & ascents of the two goats would be naturally comparable, complementary and similar.

In which ways do you see the Davidic servants ministry being specially identified near Christ’s in the one hand, while also being typed and related to those of other prophetic figures?

Jesus was sent to the Jews... The doubly cursed least of Israel. They are of such a level as to crucify their own God.

Doubly-cursed, in your opinion. I would rather say they are cursed according to and proportionate with their natural birthright and heritage. Not necessarily on a more/less scale, but equivalent to their blessing. Those specially blessed are held at a different accountability, and the Jews were they who were given the privilege of the ministry of the most high God. Because historically up to that point, they had been the most righteous (or perhaps, least-wicked) of all the twelve tribes. Which is where this Judah-being-least-tribe theory falls apart. The premise is based on that they are especially sinful, because of failing opportunities offered them on account of being the most righteous initially. Which could be said of Lucifer, sure. But also Adam.

From Moses to Jesus, Judah has a much better track record than Ephraim. Which is why neither Ephraim, nor any other tribe even had the chance to crucify their God because they weren’t even righteous enough to still be in the holy land at the time and have the opportunity. You first need to be in the temple, before you even have the agency to defile it.

But what about the Davidic Servant? He will be sent among the Ephraim items (5th order) per Isaiah 28, the doubly blessed greatest tribe of Israel. Yet Isaiah 28 indicates Ephraim is in no state to receive or recognize him, I don't think he will be physically marred by Ephraim. Might could be wrong on that but it the lesser descent aligns to the lesser God being sent among the greatest of Israel... Imho

I think he will be marred by Ephraim not referring necessarily to the church. This is the “other Paraclete” from Jesus. Jesus came to his own, being rejected of the Jews. Do you really not see his endtime counterpart and companion goat as being rejected of the heirs of Joseph?

I am curious on how you think this drunken state will affect Ephraim’s reception of such a figure though. How do you see this playing out?

I mean let's be real. Would Ephraim start changing "crucify him?"

There will be many in the endtime who will say “release unto us Barabbas”.

The Jews were loathe to lose their pseudo-sceptre to Jesus so they hated Him. Will the “rulers” of the earth be quick to submit before the god who’s coming kingdom is of this world?

Edit: sorry if my post seems anti-Ephraim, haha. I’m really not (though plenty and more are), I just disagree with some of your conclusions here because I don’t see them. But I fail to see lots of things.

Alaris · Post by **Alaris** » June 22nd, 2019, 9:11 pm

Isaiah 40:2 Speak ye comfortably to Jerusalem, and cry unto her, that her warfare is accomplished, that her iniquity is pardoned: for she hath received of the Lord’s hand double for all her sins

Isaiah 40 is increjible. I wrote a breakdown somewhere. I'm having serious memory issues with this illness haha. For example I couldn't remember where the above scripture is.

Isaiah 40 has like 8 or 9 tiltles of the Davidic Servant including holy spirit.

Jerusalem = Judah

Isaiah 40:9 ¶ O Zion, that bringest good tidings, get thee up into the high mountain; O Jerusalem, that bringest good tidings, lift up thy voice with strength; lift it up, be not afraid; say unto the cities of Judah, Behold you God!

Judah = Judah obviously. But notice how Jerusalem is equated here, which makes sense. The one who dealt the punishment now offers comfort and safety. Her warfare is accomplished.

Behold the Angel of the Lord....the executor of the double punishment. Now he offers comfort.

Notice how zion has the good tidings and brings them to Jerusalem. Behold your God.

Gods justice would be imperfect if the tribe of Judah hadn't done something to deserve its curse. Judah must have done something in the premortal world or in the prior world else where is God's justice. He cannot curse those who haven't cursed themselves.

Isaiah 40 suggests the ten tribes are gathered first. Check this out:

D&C 133
26 And they who are in the north countries shall come in remembrance before the Lord; and their prophets shall hear his voice, and shall no longer stay themselves; and they shall smite the rocks, and the ice shall flow down at their presence.
27 And an highway shall be cast up in the midst of the great deep.
28 Their enemies shall become a prey unto them,
29 And in the barren deserts there shall come forth pools of living water; and the parched ground shall no longer be a thirsty land.
30 And they shall bring forth their rich treasures unto the children of Ephraim, my servants.
31 And the boundaries of the everlasting hills shall tremble at their presence.
32 And there shall they fall down and be crowned with glory, even in Zion, by the hands of the servants of the Lord, even the children of Ephraim.
33 And they shall be filled with songs of everlasting joy.
34 Behold, this is the blessing of the everlasting God upon the tribes of Israel, and the richer blessing upon the head of Ephraim and his fellows.
35 And they also of the tribe of Judah, after their pain, shall be sanctified in holiness before the Lord, to dwell in his presence day and night, forever and ever.

This sequence matches isaiah 40. If you read more of D&C 133 you'll see more of the "Behold your God," theme.

So the ten come to Ephraim who has the double portion as prophecied by Israel.

Then.... Judah is sanctified after their pain. Sanctification implies a comparative need for it in relation to the other eleven tribes. Judah curse is detailed all over the old testament and new and in the Doctrine and covenants. What did they do before coming here I wonder?

Isaiah 40 continued...

Isaiah 40:10 Behold, the Lord God will come with strong hand, and his arm shall rule for him: behold, his reward is with him, and his work before him.
11 He shall feed his flock like a shepherd: he shall gather the lambs with his arm, and carry them in his bosom, and shall gently lead those that are with young.

The gathering of israel and the rich rewards that are also mentioned in D&C 133. Curious how both isaiah 40 and D&C 133 both refer to Judahs double cursing or greater cursing. I also find it curious they seem to be gathered last in these two chapters. Wouldn't Judah be gathered first... First and last and all that?

Alaris · Post by **Alaris** » June 25th, 2019, 5:14 pm

I just published a new article titled, "The Discourse on Abbaton"

https://lordoftheseraphim.blogspot.com/ ... baton.html

This article is a complete breakdown of the Apocryphon: "Discourse on Abbaton"

https://thinlyveiled.com/abbaton.htm

This apocryphon is an amazing collective confirmation of so very many things that are unique and wonderful about the Gospel of Jesus Christ as restored through Joseph Smith and about the truth of the hidden servant of Isaiah. Here is a partial list breakdown:

Truths Confirmed by the Discourse on Abbaton

The Destroyer is the Angel of the Lord
The hidden aspect of the Angel / Davidic Servant
The Angel of the Lord is the King of this world
The Angel of the Lord was hidden even from the Apostles
The Davidic Link to the Angel of the Lord
The number 8 in relation to the Angel of the Lord
Saul is a type of the devil
Council link to Abraham 3
Parallel authority - Saul / David - Devil / Mouriel
Confirms Michael / Gabriel are 1st and 2nd archangels
Confirms neither Michael nor Gabriel are acting as the “king” of this world.
Abaddon / King in Revelation 9 is a divine angelic monarchy
John as one of the two witnesses of Revelation 11

Sadly, this also confirms that John is in fact not the Davidic Servant, but also confirms he's the second witness. He's very close to the Davidic Servant - like second witness close. Perhaps I'll write on that some day, but I believe Aaron dressing his son in the High Priest's robes and the Angel of the Lord dressing Joshua in the book of Zechariah are both types of this ordinance that will take place where the servant ascends and John is clothed in the robes of the High Priest ... his right to rule being next.

Anyway, what an amazing find this was for me personally - and I hope others will find it as amazing, exciting, and awesome as I have. Enjoy!

simpleton · Post by **simpleton** » June 26th, 2019, 9:07 am

Part of the testament of Levi...

AND now, my children, I command you: Fear the Lord your God with your whole heart, and walk in simplicity according to all His law.

2 And do ye also teach your children letters, that they may have understanding all their life, reading unceasingly the law of God.

3 For every one that knoweth the law of the Lord shall be honoured, and shall not be a stranger whithersoever he goeth.

4 Yea, many friends shall he gain more than his parents, and many men shall desire to serve him, and to hear the law from his mouth.

5 Work righteousness, therefore, my children, upon the earth, that ye may have it as a treasure in heaven.

6 And sow good things in your souls, that ye may find them in your life.

7 But if ye sow evil things, ye shall reap every trouble and affliction.

8 Get wisdom in the fear of God with diligence; for though there be a leading into captivity, and cities and lands be destroyed, and gold and silver and every possession perish, the wisdom of the wise nought can take away, save the blindness of ungodliness, and the callousness that comes of sin.

9 For if one keep oneself from these evil things, then even among his enemies shall wisdom be a glory to him, and in a strange country a fatherland, and in the midst of foes shall prove a friend.

10 Whosoever teaches noble things and does them, shall be enthroned with kings, as was also Joseph my brother.

11 Therefore, my children, I have learnt that at the end of the ages ye will transgress against the Lord, stretching out hands to wickedness against Him; and to all the Gentiles shall ye become a scorn.

12 For our father Israel is pure from the transgressions of the chief priests [who shall lay their hands upon the Saviour of the world].

13 For as the heaven is purer in the Lord's sight than the earth, so also be ye, the lights of Israel, purer than all the Gentiles.

14 But if ye be darkened through transgressions, what, therefore, will all the Gentiles do living in blindness?

15 Yea, ye shall bring a curse upon our race, because the light of the law which was given for to lighten every man this ye desire to destroy by teaching commandments contrary to the ordinances of God.

16 The offerings of the Lord ye shall rob, and from His portion shall ye steal choice portions, eating them contemptuously with harlots.

17 And out of covetousness ye shall teach the commandments of the Lord, wedded women shall ye pollute, and the virgins of Jerusalem shall ye defile; and with harlots and adulteresses shall ye be joined, and the daughters of the Gentiles shall ye take to wife, purifying them with an unlawful purification; and your union shall be like unto Sodom and Gomorrah,

18 And ye shall be puffed up because of your priesthood, lifting yourselves up against men, and not only so, but also against the commands of God.

19 For ye shall contemn the holy things with jests and laughter.

20 Therefore the temple, which the Lord shall choose, shall be laid waste through your uncleanness, and ye shall be captives throughout all nations.

21 And ye shall be an abomination unto them, and ye shall receive reproach and everlasting shame from the righteous judgement of God.

22 And all who hate you shall rejoice at your destruction.

23 And if you were not to receive mercy through Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, our fathers, not one of our seed should be left upon the earth.

24 And now I have learnt that for seventy weeks ye shall go astray, and profane the priesthood, and pollute the sacrifices.

25 And ye shall make void the law, and set at nought the words of the prophets by evil perverseness.

26 And ye shall persecute righteous men, and hate the godly; the words of the faithful shall ye abhor.

27 And a man who reneweth the law in the power of the Most High, ye shall call a deceiver; and at last ye shall rush upon him to slay him, not knowing his dignity, taking innocent blood through wickedness upon your heads.

28 And your holy places shall be laid waste even to the ground because of him.

29 And ye shall have no place that is clean; but ye shall be among the Gentiles a curse and a dispersion until He shall again visit you, and in pity shall receive you through faith and water.

AND whereas ye have heard concerning the seventy weeks, hear also concerning the priesthood. For in each jubilee there shall be a priesthood.

2 And in the first jubilee, the first who is anointed to the priesthood shall be great, and shall speak to God as to a Father.

3 And his priesthood shall be perfect with the Lord, and in the day of his gladness shall he arise for the salvation of the world.
Joseph Smith?
4 In the second jubilee, he that is anointed shall be conceived in the sorrow of beloved ones; and his priesthood shall be honoured and shall be glorified by all.
Brigham Young?
5 And the third priest shall be taken hold of by sorrow.
John Taylor?
6 And the fourth shall be in pain, because unrighteousness shall gather itself against him exceedingly, and all Israel shall hate each one his neighbour.
Wiford Woodruff?
7 The fifth shall be taken hold of by darkness. Likewise also the sixth and the seventh.
Lorenzo Snow, Joseph F Smith, Heber J Grant?
8 And in the seventh shall, be such pollution as I cannot express before men, for they shall know it who do these things.

9 Therefore shall they be taken captive and become a prey, and their land and their substance shall be destroyed.

10 And in the fifth week they shall return to their desolate country, and shall renew the house of the Lord.

11 And in the seventh week shall become priests, who are idolaters, adulterers, lovers of money, proud, lawless, lascivious, abusers of children and beasts.

12 And after their punishment shall have come from the Lord, the priesthood shall fail.

13 Then shall the Lord raise up a new priest.
The Eighth? Davidical King?
14 And to him all the words of the Lord shall be revealed; and he shall execute a righteous judgement upon the earth for a multitude of days.

15 And his star shall arise in heaven as of a king.

16 Lighting up the light of knowledge as the sun the day, and he shall be magnified in the world.

17 He shall shine forth as the sun on the earth, and shall remove all darkness from under heaven, and there shall be peace in all the earth.

18 The heavens shall exult in his days, and the earth shall be glad, and the clouds shall rejoice;

19 And the knowledge of the Lord shall be poured forth upon the earth, as the water of the seas;

20 And the angels of the glory of the presence of the Lord shall be glad in him.

21 The heavens shall be opened, and from the temple of glory shall come upon him sanctification, with the Father's voice as from Abraham to Isaac.

22 And the glory of the Most High shall be uttered over him, and the spirit of understanding and sanctification shall rest upon him in the water.

23 For he shall give the majesty of the Lord to His sons in truth for evermore;

24 And there shall none succeed him for all generations for ever.

25 And in his priesthood the Gentiles shall be multiplied in knowledge upon the earth, and enlightened through the grace of the Lord. In his priesthood shall sin come to an end, and the lawless shall cease to do evil.

26 And he shall open the gates of paradise, and shall remove the threatening sword against Adam, and he shall give to the saints to eat from the tree of life, and the spirit of holiness shall be on them.

27 And Beliar shall be bound by him, and he shall give power to His children to tread upon the evil spirits.

28 And the Lord shall rejoice in His children, and be well pleased in His beloved ones for ever.

29 Then shall Abraham and Isaac and Jacob exult, and I will be glad, and all the saints shall clothe themselves with joy.

30 And now, my children, ye have heard all; choose, therefore, for yourselves either the light or the darkness, either the law of the Lord or the works of Beliar.

31 And his sons answered him., saying, Before the Lord we will walk according to His law.

32 And their father said unto them, The Lord is witness, and His angels are witnesses, and ye are witnesses, and I am witness, concerning the word of your mouth.

33 And his sons said unto him: We are witnesses.

34 And thus Levi ceased commanding his sons; and he stretched out his feet on the bed, and was gathered to his fathers, after he had lived a hundred and thirty-seven years.

35 And they laid him in a coffin, and afterwards they buried him in Hebron, with I Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

Alaris · Post by **Alaris** » June 26th, 2019, 11:53 am

simpleton wrote: ↑June 26th, 2019, 9:07 am AND whereas ye have heard concerning the seventy weeks, hear also concerning the priesthood. For in each jubilee there shall be a priesthood.

2 And in the first jubilee, the first who is anointed to the priesthood shall be great, and shall speak to God as to a Father.

3 And his priesthood shall be perfect with the Lord, and in the day of his gladness shall he arise for the salvation of the world.
Joseph Smith?
4 In the second jubilee, he that is anointed shall be conceived in the sorrow of beloved ones; and his priesthood shall be honoured and shall be glorified by all.
Brigham Young?
5 And the third priest shall be taken hold of by sorrow.
John Taylor?
6 And the fourth shall be in pain, because unrighteousness shall gather itself against him exceedingly, and all Israel shall hate each one his neighbour.
Wiford Woodruff?
7 The fifth shall be taken hold of by darkness. Likewise also the sixth and the seventh.
Lorenzo Snow, Joseph F Smith, Heber J Grant?
8 And in the seventh shall, be such pollution as I cannot express before men, for they shall know it who do these things.

Dude -where do you find this stuff? This is incredible!

Simpleton - I gave props to you in my latest article - but I removed it because I should have asked first. Thank you for yet another amazing find!

I believe the seven angels are the seven archangels or dispensation heads.

Testament of Levi 1:22 In the heaven next to it are the archangels, who minister and make propitiation to the Lord for all the sins of ignorance of the righteous;
24 And in the heaven below this are the angels who bear answers to the angels of the presence of the Lord.

Aha! In verse 24, these are the level six angels or the seraphim of level six form whence comes the order of the Apostles. These have eyes to see and ears to hear which is likely why they bear the "answers" - maybe. But it fits.

So this is interesting from chapter IV. Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob are considered the patriarchs of, well, Israel. Why not Joseph? The easy answer is his brothers are a part of Israel, but Joseph's is the longest story of Genesis because he is a type of the Davidic Servant imho. He gathers his brothers (other 11 tribes) and saves them, but first he is rejected by the "tribes" of Israel, descends below Egypt as a slave then prisoner and then ascends above Egypt, then saves Israel. So this verse speaks of the heavenly representation which is receiving the fullness of the Priesthood as both Priest and King:

Testament of Levi 4:10 Whosoever teaches noble things and does them, shall be enthroned with kings, as was also Joseph my brother.

Aha ... see! In the same chapter, Levi speaks of Israel's fate in the end times, and tells them of one who they will treat just as Joseph:

Testament of Levi 4:27 And a man who reneweth the law in the power of the Most High, ye shall call a deceiver; and at last ye shall rush upon him to slay him, not knowing his dignity, taking innocent blood through wickedness upon your heads.
28 And your holy places shall be laid waste even to the ground because of him.
29 And ye shall have no place that is clean; but ye shall be among the Gentiles a curse and a dispersion until He shall again visit you, and in pity shall receive you through faith and water.

Being rejected by your people is apparently part of the Davidic Covenant. Even King David was cast out and persecuted by Saul before he took the throne.

Testament of Levi Chapter V

AND whereas ye have heard concerning the seventy weeks, hear also concerning the priesthood. For in each jubilee there shall be a priesthood.

I think Priesthood = Dispensation. Only one who has the fullness of the Priesthood can start a dispensation. BY stated he did not.

2 And in the first jubilee, the first who is anointed to the priesthood shall be great, and shall speak to God as to a father.

3 And his priesthood shall be perfect with the Lord, and in the day of his gladness shall he arise for the salvation of the world.

Adam?

4 In the second jubilee, he that is anointed shall be conceived in the sorrow of beloved ones; and his priesthood shall be honoured and shall be glorified by all.

Could this be Enoch? He was hated. (Moses 6:31)

5 And the third priest shall he taken hold of by sorrow.

Noah & the Flood?

6 And the fourth shall be in pain, because unrighteousness shall gather itself against him exceedingly, and all Israel shall hate each one his neighbour.

Like almost sacrifice him on a lion couch? Israel shall hate each one his neighbor though .... how could that fit into the time from Abraham to ...ah. This could be the neighbors in Canaan as there was certainly some hate there, like when the Israelites duped the natives into circumcising themselves before killing them (Genesis 34.)

7 The fifth shall be taken hold of by darkness. Likewise also the sixth and the seventh.

I think this is more representative of the lower levels of mankind, maybe. Peter and Joseph Smith were certainly taken hold by darkness and martyred. Moses was unable to enter the promised land. Not a perfect fit, but ... I do think these are most likely the seven dispensation heads. That would fit with my interpretation of Discourse on Abbaton as well....Seven men who are both priests and kings. The eighth is the newbie.

8 And in the seventh shall, be such pollution as I cannot express before men, for they shall know it who do these things.

This is interesting to me because in 3 Enoch there are 7 heavens and 7 halls that are higher than the 7 heavens.

9 Therefore shall they be taken captive and become a prey, and their land and their substance shall be destroyed.

10 And in the fifth week they shall return to their desolate country, and shall renew the house of the Lord.

11 And in the seventh week shall become priests, who are idolaters, adulterers, lovers of money, proud, lawless, lascivious, abusers of children and beasts.

12 And after their punishment shall have come from the Lord, the priesthood shall fail.

I started a thread recently about whether we could lose the Melchizedek Priesthood. John the Baptist promised the Aaronic Priesthood would never again leave the Earth. While restoring the Melchizedek Priesthood, Peter, James, and John said....well we don't know what they said do we?

13 Then shall the Lord raise up a new priest.

14 And to him all the words of the Lord shall be revealed; and he shall execute a righteous judgement upon the earth for a multitude of days.

15 And his star shall arise in heaven as of a king.

Boomshakalaka. A new priest and king. Hrm.... what a coincidence! This is why this full quote below is necessary to know the context of the Latter-day David (usually just the last half is quoted.) The context is to finish what King David started - to receive the fullness of the Priesthood by becoming both King and Priest.

Although David was a king, he never did obtain the spirit and power of Elijah and the fullness of the Priesthood; and the Priesthood that he received, and the throne and kingdom of David is to be taken from him and given to another by the name of David in the last days, raised up out of his lineage. ~ Joseph Smith

And where have we heard righteousness and judgement in regards to the Davidic Servant? Oh that's right, all over Isaiah and beyond.

16 Lighting up the light of knowledge as the sun the day, and he shall be magnified in the world.

This fits with the Davidic Servant prophecies - see Isaiah 28 for starters. He shows up with knowledge, and how is he received? Badly.

17 He shall shine forth as the sun on the earth, and shall remove all darkness from under heaven, and there shall be peace in all the earth.

Isaiah 49:6 And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth.

18 The heavens shall exult in his days, and the earth shall be glad, and the clouds shall rejoice;

Who is this that comes in the clouds?

19 And the knowledge of the Lord shall be poured forth upon the earth, as the water of the seas;

20 And the angels of the glory of the presence of the Lord shall be glad in him.

21 The heavens shall be opened, and from the temple of glory shall come upon him sanctification, with the Father's voice as from Abraham to Isaac.

Verse 21 is the fulfillment of Yom Kippur - the receiving of the fullness of the Priesthood is receiving the name of the Father and the new name of the Son (Revelation 3:12.) This fulfillment is also in Revelation 11 - right after the two witnesses seal their testimonies and are risen, immediately are the kingdoms of this world declared to be the kingdom of our Lord and his Christ....and then:

Revelation 11:19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.

22 And the glory of the Most High shall be uttered over him, and the spirit of understanding and sanctification shall rest upon him in the water.

23 For he shall give the majesty of the Lord to His sons in truth for evermore;

Verse 22 is a reference to the seven "spirits" of the Rod of Isaiah 11, but sanctification is new. That's the role of the Holy Ghost. Could they be the same person??? EUREKA

Seriously simpleton - You've brought much joy to me in the last few weeks due to the Discourse on Abbaton alone - and now you gift me with this! Sincere, heartfelt thanks.

Edit:

Super interesting read on the background of the Testament of Levi - the Apocalypse is reinforced by the Dead Sea Scrolls singularly among the 12 testaments of the sons of Jacob.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Testament ... Patriarchs

Michael Sherwin · Post by **Michael Sherwin** » June 27th, 2019, 1:45 pm

Alaris, you say (and many others say) that Joseph of Egypt is a type and shadow of Jesus. I think there are usually around 8 correlations given for that belief. Several decades ago I did a study to count the correlations between Joseph of Egypt and the antichrist. I think I remember the count was 17. That is if you are brave enough to do an honest comparison.

Michael Sherwin · Post by **Michael Sherwin** » June 27th, 2019, 1:47 pm

Sorry, I meant to say if one is brave enough to do an honest comparison.

Alaris · Post by **Alaris** » June 27th, 2019, 2:34 pm

Michael Sherwin wrote: ↑June 27th, 2019, 1:45 pm Alaris, you say (and many others say) that Joseph of Egypt is a type and shadow of Jesus. I think there are usually around 8 correlations given for that belief. Several decades ago I did a study to count the correlations between Joseph of Egypt and the antichrist. I think I remember the count was 17. That is if you are brave enough to do an honest comparison.

Hey there Michael. Thanks for your comment. Have you read through this thread? You should.

Where did I say Joseph of Egypt is a type and shadow of Jesus? Joseph of Egypt is absolutely a type and shadow of the Davidic Servant - hands ... down. Now there are types and shadows to Jesus as well - but remember there is a lesser and a greater participant in the Davidic Covenant just as there is -- uncoincidentally -- a lesser God and a greater God. In Isaiah this duality of participants in the Davidic Covenant sometimes makes it unclear which participant is being referenced - and I believe that's by design. I honestly believe the Lord laid out Isaiah this way to keep folks humble and to prevent this sort of know-it-all-ishness we see, well all over the world.

Joseph being in the ground is seen as a Christ symbol - yet according to the proxy salvation terms of the davidic covenant, the servant also suffers - but his suffering is exclusive to Israel. Moreover, the servant is one of the two witnesses - who both die, and remain dead for the Jonah duration of 3.5 days - just like Jesus.

Though Reuben spoke up first against killing Joseph, he only changed the plan to throwing Joseph in a pit, where he would have died anyway. It was actually Judah who saves him.

26 And Judah said unto his brethren, What profit is it if we slay our brother, and conceal his blood?

27 Come, and let us sell him to the Ishmeelites, and let not our hand be upon him; for he is our brother and our flesh. And his brethren were content.

So the Davidic Servant is of both Ephraim (Joseph) and Jesse - however, with Joseph himself being a type of the servant, I think Egypt is a fair comparison to the USA. Gileadi in fact equates Egypt = USA in Isaiah's prophecies.

So Jesus, born through and to Judah - saves the servant from spiritual death and purchases this new heir's right to rule. Let's look at the Joseph symbols!

- Sold into slavery - becomes chief slave

Gileadi teaches of these parallel descents and ascents - which is in fact one of the best arguments for their being one path to godhood. You cannot ascend above all without descending below all first. Joseph's first experience in Egypt is a micro descent and ascent. He arrives as a lowly servant and ascends to become chief servant. He suffers, and overcomes and becomes chief servant to potipher. Potipher's wife falsely accuses the servant and he's thrown in jail.

False accusations - now there's another dual aspect to participants of the Davidic Covenant.

So Joseph descends below all Egypt by going into the pits of the prison. Eventually his dream interpretations reach Pharoah and he's invited to the Pharaoah's court to interpret his dreams, which Joseph does. So Joseph's first true ascent here is as priest. Then, eventually, the Pharoah entrusts him with the right to rule (facsimile 3 again in action again, again) - so now Joseph has ascended above all .... first.

Now this is where your coming here to LDSFF is extremely interesting and highly coincidental to me. I've been asked for years now how the servant will arise. I used to just point folks to Isaiah 28 - clearly he shows up with knowledge and it isn't received too well. However, now I'm convinced Matthew 24 is largely about the servant who comes in the name of the LORD. I'll be writing on this next. Long story short - the Lord says ignore "lo here" and "lo there" - if someone says the servant is in the desert or secret chamber, believe them not. For as the sun rises from the east and lighteth the whole sky to the west, so shall the coming of the Son of Man be. No one is going to show up with cool birth alignments (is that how Jesus start His ministry? Nope....He walked the walk and changed water into wine.) or numerical proof. He's going to be in the clouds of heaven and all will see him. 2 Esdras 13 is a good read here - whether a 1:1 WYSIWYG prophecy or a metaphor - clearly the remnant goes to the servant and not the other way around. I believe the OT prophesies support this as well.

Back to Joseph

Joseph takes all power as both King and Priest - and then saves his brothers. They do not recognize him. They do not know him, and he has a new name. He is hidden to them. I can't underscore this enough. The servant will not be announced in General Conference. Israel will go to him when they are in need, and it will be clear, and obvious to them that they must go to him ... but even then ... they still won't recognize him.

They may have even rejected him and wounded him....

Zechariah 13:And one shall say unto him, What are these wounds in thine hands? Then he shall answer, Those with which I was wounded in the house of my friends.

This could absolutely be the servant...because the hands only are mentioned.. The third token in the temple may be exclusively about this Son of Man whereas the fourth is about the Greater Son of Man or Jesus Christ. Notice how in discourse on Abbaton, the names of the angels are all written in the palm of the hand of the devil - the Father orders that mark to be removed from the palm of his hand. Do you see where I'm going here?

Was that brave enough for you? lol

Now, I need to study 2 Esdras more, but as I recall, when the Eagle dies the Lion nation arises in the land of Joseph. The Lion (Jesse) and the Eagle (Joseph) are then ruled by the one to whom Joseph points. Joseph is so clearly a type of the servant, and in so many ways. The servant is becoming a patriarch by becoming a king and priest. I already demonstrated the king and priest aspect of Joseph.

The patriarch aspect is extremely interesting because of the clear types of the fathers:

Abraham = Elohim
Isaac = Jesus
Israel = Michael

These are the three patriarchs. Perhaps THE primary function of this world is to produce a new Priest and King. Now, that's not the only function and everyone is important yada yada, but the highest objective of the Atonement of Jesus Christ and the Fall of Adam is to elevate this man from manhood to godhood of which Joseph of Egypt is clearly a type.

Joseph = hidden servant of Israel, rejected by Israel, becomes temporal king, saves Israel temporally

Robbinius · Post by **Robbinius** » June 27th, 2019, 3:46 pm

Alaris wrote: ↑June 27th, 2019, 2:34 pm He arrives as a lowly servant and ascends to become chief servant. He suffers, and overcomes and becomes chief servant to potipher. Potipher's wife falsely accuses the servant and he's thrown in jail.

Note this accusation comes as Joseph observes the Law of Chastity perfectly, tying him even further to the level of Seraphim...

Alaris · Post by **Alaris** » June 27th, 2019, 3:50 pm

Robbinius wrote: ↑June 27th, 2019, 3:46 pm
Alaris wrote: ↑June 27th, 2019, 2:34 pm He arrives as a lowly servant and ascends to become chief servant. He suffers, and overcomes and becomes chief servant to potipher. Potipher's wife falsely accuses the servant and he's thrown in jail.
Note this accusation comes as Joseph observes the Law of Chastity perfectly, tying him even further to the level of Seraphim...

Brilliant!

Perhaps this is where he earns his priest status. Prison may be where he earns his king status. Perhaps he became king by his consecration of his gift to interpret dreams when he could have been easily overcome by these trials rather than overcome through faith. Nice!

simpleton · Post by **simpleton** » June 28th, 2019, 7:54 pm

Alaris wrote: ↑June 27th, 2019, 2:34 pm
Michael Sherwin wrote: ↑June 27th, 2019, 1:45 pm Alaris, you say (and many others say) that Joseph of Egypt is a type and shadow of Jesus. I think there are usually around 8 correlations given for that belief. Several decades ago I did a study to count the correlations between Joseph of Egypt and the antichrist. I think I remember the count was 17. That is if you are brave enough to do an honest comparison.
Hey there Michael. Thanks for your comment. Have you read through this thread? You should.

Where did I say Joseph of Egypt is a type and shadow of Jesus? Joseph of Egypt is absolutely a type and shadow of the Davidic Servant - hands ... down. Now there are types and shadows to Jesus as well - but remember there is a lesser and a greater participant in the Davidic Covenant just as there is -- uncoincidentally -- a lesser God and a greater God. In Isaiah this duality of participants in the Davidic Covenant sometimes makes it unclear which participant is being referenced - and I believe that's by design. I honestly believe the Lord laid out Isaiah this way to keep folks humble and to prevent this sort of know-it-all-ishness we see, well all over the world.

Joseph being in the ground is seen as a Christ symbol - yet according to the proxy salvation terms of the davidic covenant, the servant also suffers - but his suffering is exclusive to Israel. Moreover, the servant is one of the two witnesses - who both die, and remain dead for the Jonah duration of 3.5 days - just like Jesus.

Though Reuben spoke up first against killing Joseph, he only changed the plan to throwing Joseph in a pit, where he would have died anyway. It was actually Judah who saves him.

26 And Judah said unto his brethren, What profit is it if we slay our brother, and conceal his blood?

27 Come, and let us sell him to the Ishmeelites, and let not our hand be upon him; for he is our brother and our flesh. And his brethren were content.

So the Davidic Servant is of both Ephraim (Joseph) and Jesse - however, with Joseph himself being a type of the servant, I think Egypt is a fair comparison to the USA. Gileadi in fact equates Egypt = USA in Isaiah's prophecies.

So Jesus, born through and to Judah - saves the servant from spiritual death and purchases this new heir's right to rule. Let's look at the Joseph symbols!

- Sold into slavery - becomes chief slave

Gileadi teaches of these parallel descents and ascents - which is in fact one of the best arguments for their being one path to godhood. You cannot ascend above all without descending below all first. Joseph's first experience in Egypt is a micro descent and ascent. He arrives as a lowly servant and ascends to become chief servant. He suffers, and overcomes and becomes chief servant to potipher. Potipher's wife falsely accuses the servant and he's thrown in jail.

False accusations - now there's another dual aspect to participants of the Davidic Covenant.

So Joseph descends below all Egypt by going into the pits of the prison. Eventually his dream interpretations reach Pharoah and he's invited to the Pharaoah's court to interpret his dreams, which Joseph does. So Joseph's first true ascent here is as priest. Then, eventually, the Pharoah entrusts him with the right to rule (facsimile 3 again in action again, again) - so now Joseph has ascended above all .... first.

Now this is where your coming here to LDSFF is extremely interesting and highly coincidental to me. I've been asked for years now how the servant will arise. I used to just point folks to Isaiah 28 - clearly he shows up with knowledge and it isn't received too well. However, now I'm convinced Matthew 24 is largely about the servant who comes in the name of the LORD. I'll be writing on this next. Long story short - the Lord says ignore "lo here" and "lo there" - if someone says the servant is in the desert or secret chamber, believe them not. For as the sun rises from the east and lighteth the whole sky to the west, so shall the coming of the Son of Man be. No one is going to show up with cool birth alignments (is that how Jesus start His ministry? Nope....He walked the walk and changed water into wine.) or numerical proof. He's going to be in the clouds of heaven and all will see him. 2 Esdras 13 is a good read here - whether a 1:1 WYSIWYG prophecy or a metaphor - clearly the remnant goes to the servant and not the other way around. I believe the OT prophesies support this as well.

Back to Joseph

Joseph takes all power as both King and Priest - and then saves his brothers. They do not recognize him. They do not know him, and he has a new name. He is hidden to them. I can't underscore this enough. The servant will not be announced in General Conference. Israel will go to him when they are in need, and it will be clear, and obvious to them that they must go to him ... but even then ... they still won't recognize him. The above I concur with.

They may have even rejected him and wounded him....

Zechariah 13:And one shall say unto him, What are these wounds in thine hands? Then he shall answer, Those with which I was wounded in the house of my friends.

This could absolutely be the servant...because the hands only are mentioned.. The third token in the temple may be exclusively about this Son of Man whereas the fourth is about the Greater Son of Man or Jesus Christ. Notice how in discourse on Abbaton, the names of the angels are all written in the palm of the hand of the devil - the Father orders that mark to be removed from the palm of his hand. Do you see where I'm going here?

Was that brave enough for you? lol

Now, I need to study 2 Esdras more, but as I recall, when the Eagle dies the Lion nation arises in the land of Joseph. The Lion (Jesse) and the Eagle (Joseph) are then ruled by the one to whom Joseph points. Joseph is so clearly a type of the servant, and in so many ways. The servant is becoming a patriarch by becoming a king and priest. I already demonstrated the king and priest aspect of Joseph.

The patriarch aspect is extremely interesting because of the clear types of the fathers:

Abraham = Elohim
Isaac = Jesus
Israel = Michael

These are the three patriarchs. Perhaps THE primary function of this world is to produce a new Priest and King. Now, that's not the only function and everyone is important yada yada, but the highest objective of the Atonement of Jesus Christ and the Fall of Adam is to elevate this man from manhood to godhood of which Joseph of Egypt is clearly a type.

Joseph = hidden servant of Israel, rejected by Israel, becomes temporal king, saves Israel temporally This is exactly what I think has partially happened already, the rejection of the Servant part, the saving and acknowledging part is abviously yet to happen.

Robbinius · Post by **Robbinius** » July 1st, 2019, 12:27 am

Alaris wrote: ↑June 25th, 2019, 5:14 pm I just published a new article titled, "The Discourse on Abbaton"

https://lordoftheseraphim.blogspot.com/ ... baton.html

This article is a complete breakdown of the Apocryphon: "Discourse on Abbaton"

https://thinlyveiled.com/abbaton.htm

This apocryphon is an amazing collective confirmation of so very many things that are unique and wonderful about the Gospel of Jesus Christ as restored through Joseph Smith and about the truth of the hidden servant of Isaiah. Here is a partial list breakdown:

Truths Confirmed by the Discourse on Abbaton

The Destroyer is the Angel of the Lord

The hidden aspect of the Angel / Davidic Servant

The Angel of the Lord is the King of this world

The Angel of the Lord was hidden even from the Apostles

The Davidic Link to the Angel of the Lord

The number 8 in relation to the Angel of the Lord

Saul is a type of the devil

Council link to Abraham 3

Parallel authority - Saul / David - Devil / Mouriel

Confirms Michael / Gabriel are 1st and 2nd archangels

Confirms neither Michael nor Gabriel are acting as the “king” of this world.

Abaddon / King in Revelation 9 is a divine angelic monarchy

John as one of the two witnesses of Revelation 11
Sadly, this also confirms that John is in fact not the Davidic Servant, but also confirms he's the second witness. He's very close to the Davidic Servant - like second witness close. Perhaps I'll write on that some day, but I believe Aaron dressing his son in the High Priest's robes and the Angel of the Lord dressing Joshua in the book of Zechariah are both types of this ordinance that will take place where the servant ascends and John is clothed in the robes of the High Priest ... his right to rule being next.

Anyway, what an amazing find this was for me personally - and I hope others will find it as amazing, exciting, and awesome as I have. Enjoy!

Ok i’m only half way through the article as I’ve had to prepare a lesson for the combined YM/YW today and a ton of other things going on this week. But I’ve been slowly going through it all week, pondering and savoring both the discourse and your article. I feel the Spirit teaching me as I’ve been going through it. Here are my comments so far:

And straightway the earth cried out with a loud voice, saying, "I swear unto thee by Him Who sent thee to Me, that if thou takest me to Him

What if in actuality, the earth said the actual name? It’s just transcribed here as “by Him Who sent thee to me…?” Not sure but I read it as the earth saying the actual name.

Second, what if the shirking was ceremonious? What if these seven all have the right to rule - to be king - over the 8th angel, and they all defer to allow this youngest angel (In 3 Enoch the Angel of the Lord is called “Na’ar” or “Youth” by the Lord) to sit and rule?

It very well could be a voluntary deferment because they’ve already done this before and it’s the eighth’s turn now. But, what if it really reads correctly, and they all were fearful because they had done it before and know what it entails. To me this underscores their consecration more completely. They’ve already achieved thrones and principalities, dominions, and exaltations. They are gods. Yet they know the powers of the temptations of the flesh. They know the sufferings and how difficult it is to come back. They don’t have to go out anymore as a promise of overcoming level 6. So the earth speaking this to them and their reaction…wow.

Look at how each of them “fell” in more ways than one on this earth. Moses “sins” so badly he is forbidden to enter Canaan. Peter denies the Savior Himself! Joseph Smith loses the 116 pages and fears his soul is lost and doesn’t eat for three days out of sheer fear and depression. Noah gets drunk, passes out, and loses the sacred garment… it goes on and on. And that’s just what we know about from scant scripture. It’s a terrifying prospect to “go out” again after you’ve been promised you don’t have to anymore. That seems to be the law of consecration to me.

…and He left him lying for forty days and forty nights without putting breath into him. And He heaved sighs over him daily, saying, "If I put breath into this [man], he must suffer many pains." And I said unto My Father, "Put breath into him; I will be an advocate for him." And My Father said unto Me," If I put breath into him, My beloved Son, Thou wilt be obliged to go down into the world, and to suffer many pains for him before Thou shalt have redeemed him, and made him to come back to his primal state." And I said unto My Father, "Put breath into him; I will be his advocate, and I will go down into the world, and will fultill Thy command."

This part literally brought tears to my eyes. And I hate the word ‘literally.’ I felt the pain and level of consecration He was willing to give both in that moment, and every single moment after. I mean His Father “rejoiced” when Mouriel brought him the dirt. He was so excited to get another on the path to exaltation. Then he remembers how difficult it’s going to be for everyone involved—including and especially the highest and holiest of all His children. And He waits. He procrastinates because He can’t bear it. Yet in that moment, Jesus stands and says, It’s Ok Father. I’ll do it. I can take it. I’ll do whatever you want me to do….

Note that every prophet, except Adam and Jesus, are all younger brothers. Any prophet you can think of who has documented siblings (even in the Apocrypha as Abraham,) is always, always, a younger brother.

Except for Helaman, but I get your point. Do we know about the Brother of Jared?

Of note here: Joshua does not see the host but the angel only. Also noteworthy is the ground that becomes holy just as the ground became with Moses' interaction with ... the Angel of the Lord who emanated glory from the burning bush (Exodus 3:2-5.)

Also note the JST corrects this passage to “presence” of the Lord, rather than “angel.” It seems as if this was Jehovah that actually visited Moses at the burning bush.

I always found Saul’s story to be very curious even since my youth. Why would God give the right to rule to be the very first king of Israel to someone God knew would lose said right? There had to be a deeper meaning behind it. Lo and behold, Saul signifies the devil. The shoe fits snugly. Now, consider Eliab represents Michael who is far mightier and older than David who represents Mouriel, the 8th Angel. And now we have a story that matches too closely to ignore. The Davidic Servant is not a type of King David. King David is a type of the Davidic Servant.

This!

The Father tells Mouriel why he is making him king over Adam, and then immediately lays the title “Angel of Death” on him. This may be slightly confusing, but consider Jesus provides the saving power of life - resurrection and spiritual life, there must be an executor over death for all things to be, well, fair and balanced. Consider Abbadon as the God of Justice and Jehovah as the God of Mercy.

This doesn’t make sense that he would be made king over Adam. I get that he is the angel of death, and in the sense that Adam became subject to death because of the Fall. Maybe this is speaking only of his temporal state? Because in the overall scheme, he obviously is over Mouriel. But temporally, Adam, through the Fall, becomes subject to death like everyone else. Consecration.

These, seven … pillars of fire? Like unto … also note the Angel of the Lord who bears the ineffable name (Exodus 23) is the pillar of fire leading Israel’s exodus, and the sixth promise of overcoming in Revelation promises the recipient to become a "pillar in the temple of my God."

"Thy teeth shall project from thy mouth the length of half a cubit.

"The fingers of thy hands and [the toes of] thy feet shall be like unto sharp reaping-knives.

"Seven heads shall be on the top of thy head, and they shall change their shapes and forms [continually].

There’s that number again. Seven angels pass on their right and provide their rights to rule to the 8th angel who now bears seven heads. This would be an awesome drawing. I gave a stab at a Photoshop job of such at the beginning of this article. ..... enjoy

Could these seven angels be standing behind their younger brother ... all having conceded their right to rule to him who sitteth upon the throne? This would explain so much, especially in the Book of Revelation.

Revelation 10:1 And I saw another mighty angel come down from heaven, clothed with a cloud: and a rainbow was upon his head, and his face was as it were the sun, and his feet as pillars of fire:

2 And he had in his hand a little book open: and he set his right foot upon the sea, and his left foot on the earth,

3 And cried with a loud voice, as when a lion roareth: and when he had cried, seven thunders uttered their voices.

Hold a minute! Both the seven thunders and the pillars of fire are mentioned in Revelation 10 and in Discourse on Abbaton regarding the description of the Angel of Death. How many colors are in the Rainbow? Seven. This is the dominion given to this mighty - note: numberless - angel of Revelation. When he cried ... the seven thunders, read: archangels, uttered their voices.

I believe Brigham knew it was more than a figure of speech when he declared “So also are the devils in hell looking at this people, too, and trying to overthrow us, and the people are still shaking hands with the servants of the devil, instead of sanctifying themselves and calling upon the Lord and doing the work which he has commanded us and put into our hands to do. When I think upon this subject, I want the tongues of seven thunders to wake up the people. (JD 18:304). The identity of the seven thunders is a great mystery to the other Christian religions. They ask this question often. How beautiful it is to be able to put modern revelation together with the guidance of the Holy Ghost and early Christian writings to say definitively who they are.

"Thine eyes shall look down upon the earth, and upon whatsoever is in the depths of the waters; nothing shall be hidden from thee in heaven, nor from one end of the earth to the other, from the north to the south, and from the east to the west, among all the created things which I have made.

North, south, east, and west is also all over Revelation. The power of omnipresence is bestowed upon Mouriel / Abbadon.

Yes. The power of thought is hidden from Satan and his minions. Yet the Holy Ghost is able to read our thoughts and hearts perfectly. Sounds like this is part of “nothing shall be hidden from thee...”

Ok as I’ve been going through this, the Spirit is teaching me how he is over Adam. It is indeed over him through the Fall and death. Wow. The Spirit is teaching here....

I can only imagine the silence at this point - imagine all the Apostles staring dumbfounded and blinking at the Lord in silence. I hope there is a similar effect upon you dear reader. There certainly was upon me as I read this amazing apocryphon.

Yes...yes there is...

Alaris · Post by **Alaris** » July 1st, 2019, 12:23 pm

Robbinius wrote: ↑July 1st, 2019, 12:27 am
Alaris wrote: ↑June 25th, 2019, 5:14 pm I just published a new article titled, "The Discourse on Abbaton"

https://lordoftheseraphim.blogspot.com/ ... baton.html

This article is a complete breakdown of the Apocryphon: "Discourse on Abbaton"

https://thinlyveiled.com/abbaton.htm

This apocryphon is an amazing collective confirmation of so very many things that are unique and wonderful about the Gospel of Jesus Christ as restored through Joseph Smith and about the truth of the hidden servant of Isaiah. Here is a partial list breakdown:

Truths Confirmed by the Discourse on Abbaton

The Destroyer is the Angel of the Lord

The hidden aspect of the Angel / Davidic Servant

The Angel of the Lord is the King of this world

The Angel of the Lord was hidden even from the Apostles

The Davidic Link to the Angel of the Lord

The number 8 in relation to the Angel of the Lord

Saul is a type of the devil

Council link to Abraham 3

Parallel authority - Saul / David - Devil / Mouriel

Confirms Michael / Gabriel are 1st and 2nd archangels

Confirms neither Michael nor Gabriel are acting as the “king” of this world.

Abaddon / King in Revelation 9 is a divine angelic monarchy

John as one of the two witnesses of Revelation 11
Sadly, this also confirms that John is in fact not the Davidic Servant, but also confirms he's the second witness. He's very close to the Davidic Servant - like second witness close. Perhaps I'll write on that some day, but I believe Aaron dressing his son in the High Priest's robes and the Angel of the Lord dressing Joshua in the book of Zechariah are both types of this ordinance that will take place where the servant ascends and John is clothed in the robes of the High Priest ... his right to rule being next.

Anyway, what an amazing find this was for me personally - and I hope others will find it as amazing, exciting, and awesome as I have. Enjoy!
Ok i’m only half way through the article as I’ve had to prepare a lesson for the combined YM/YW today and a ton of other things going on this week. But I’ve been slowly going through it all week, pondering and savoring both the discourse and your article. I feel the Spirit teaching me as I’ve been going through it. Here are my comments so far:

And straightway the earth cried out with a loud voice, saying, "I swear unto thee by Him Who sent thee to Me, that if thou takest me to Him
What if in actuality, the earth said the actual name? It’s just transcribed here as “by Him Who sent thee to me…?” Not sure but I read it as the earth saying the actual name.

I had a similar thought - what if all those horrible things that will happen upon the fall is akin to a token? Tokens having longer names is not unheard of.

Robbinius wrote: ↑July 1st, 2019, 12:27 am
Second, what if the shirking was ceremonious? What if these seven all have the right to rule - to be king - over the 8th angel, and they all defer to allow this youngest angel (In 3 Enoch the Angel of the Lord is called “Na’ar” or “Youth” by the Lord) to sit and rule?
It very well could be a voluntary deferment because they’ve already done this before and it’s the eighth’s turn now. But, what if it really reads correctly, and they all were fearful because they had done it before and know what it entails. To me this underscores their consecration more completely. They’ve already achieved thrones and principalities, dominions, and exaltations. They are gods. Yet they know the powers of the temptations of the flesh. They know the sufferings and how difficult it is to come back. They don’t have to go out anymore as a promise of overcoming level 6. So the earth speaking this to them and their reaction…wow.

Look at how each of them “fell” in more ways than one on this earth. Moses “sins” so badly he is forbidden to enter Canaan. Peter denies the Savior Himself! Joseph Smith loses the 116 pages and fears his soul is lost and doesn’t eat for three days out of sheer fear and depression. Noah gets drunk, passes out, and loses the sacred garment… it goes on and on. And that’s just what we know about from scant scripture. It’s a terrifying prospect to “go out” again after you’ve been promised you don’t have to anymore. That seems to be the law of consecration to me.

Though I've made this connection, I haven't expressly connected back to the Garden of Eden & the creation story. Adam & Eve essentially could go no more out if they so chose. But, to gain greater light and knowledge i.e. ascend to the next level, they had to partake. I like how you tied the failures of the patriarchs - I believe their failures are an important part of their patriarchy to show their respective levels how to overcome these central trials that align to the central laws. Even Noah's displacement over level five aligns to the trials we face today - drunkenness ... wearing the sacred garment...

Robbinius wrote: ↑July 1st, 2019, 12:27 am
…and He left him lying for forty days and forty nights without putting breath into him. And He heaved sighs over him daily, saying, "If I put breath into this [man], he must suffer many pains." And I said unto My Father, "Put breath into him; I will be an advocate for him." And My Father said unto Me," If I put breath into him, My beloved Son, Thou wilt be obliged to go down into the world, and to suffer many pains for him before Thou shalt have redeemed him, and made him to come back to his primal state." And I said unto My Father, "Put breath into him; I will be his advocate, and I will go down into the world, and will fultill Thy command."
This part literally brought tears to my eyes. And I hate the word ‘literally.’ I felt the pain and level of consecration He was willing to give both in that moment, and every single moment after. I mean His Father “rejoiced” when Mouriel brought him the dirt. He was so excited to get another on the path to exaltation. Then he remembers how difficult it’s going to be for everyone involved—including and especially the highest and holiest of all His children. And He waits. He procrastinates because He can’t bear it. Yet in that moment, Jesus stands and says, It’s Ok Father. I’ll do it. I can take it. I’ll do whatever you want me to do….

Note that every prophet, except Adam and Jesus, are all younger brothers. Any prophet you can think of who has documented siblings (even in the Apocrypha as Abraham,) is always, always, a younger brother.
Except for Helaman, but I get your point. Do we know about the Brother of Jared?

Well now you opened the Helaman can of worms, there are several oldest brother prophets in that line past Helaman: his son and grandson both named Nephi are apparently eldest. This is still the obvious exception to the younger brother rule as the vast majority of prophets are younger brothers. The patriarchs themselves, apart from Adam, and the Abrahamic patriarchs are all younger.

Robbinius wrote: ↑July 1st, 2019, 12:27 am
Of note here: Joshua does not see the host but the angel only. Also noteworthy is the ground that becomes holy just as the ground became with Moses' interaction with ... the Angel of the Lord who emanated glory from the burning bush (Exodus 3:2-5.)
Also note the JST corrects this passage to “presence” of the Lord, rather than “angel.” It seems as if this was Jehovah that actually visited Moses at the burning bush.

If you read through the OT, it's always, always, the Angel of the Lord appearing. If you keep reading in Exodus 3, it's clearly the Angel and not Jehovah speaking. The Angel says he will go along with Moses ... and it's the Angel, not Jehovah who goes along with Moses as the pillar of fire. Jehovah even says his presence was not there:

D&C 103:19 Therefore, let not your hearts faint, for I say not unto you as I said unto your fathers: Mine angel shall go up before you, but not my presence.
20 But I say unto you: Mine angels shall go up before you, and also my presence, and in time ye shall possess the goodly land.

Still - perhaps Jehovah was there albeit briefly before his angel went forth w/o Jehovah's presence. I think there are at least three possibilities to explain the JST. One, the RLDS had it and who knows what they did to it lol. That's the easy explanation. Two, the presence of the Lord could equate to the angel of presence.

Isaiah 63:9 In all their affliction he was afflicted, and the angel of his presence saved them: in his love and in his pity he redeemed them; and he bare them, and carried them all the days of old.

Three - as is often the case, it's not A or B but A + B. Clearly Moses had attained to the presence of Jehovah premortally. Perhaps Jehovah was there, but I can't imagine the Angel of the LORD not being there given his exclusivity deal as to being the solo act advocate and destroyer of the enemies of Israel. There are other JSTs like this - one that comes to mind is how the JST alters the sermon in Matthew to be a private message to the apostles, yet the sermon in 3 Nephi matches the original text nearly verbatim. How can this be unless it's not A or B but A and B? Perhaps the Apostles received the sermon in private ...and the JST is meant to serve as a contrast as to how the Apostles are even of a higher order (i.e. judge not unrighteous judgement - obvious "judge not" does not apply to the judges of the twelve tribes of Israel.)

OK beating a dead horse here...

Robbinius wrote: ↑July 1st, 2019, 12:27 am
I always found Saul’s story to be very curious even since my youth. Why would God give the right to rule to be the very first king of Israel to someone God knew would lose said right? There had to be a deeper meaning behind it. Lo and behold, Saul signifies the devil. The shoe fits snugly. Now, consider Eliab represents Michael who is far mightier and older than David who represents Mouriel, the 8th Angel. And now we have a story that matches too closely to ignore. The Davidic Servant is not a type of King David. King David is a type of the Davidic Servant.
This!

The Father tells Mouriel why he is making him king over Adam, and then immediately lays the title “Angel of Death” on him. This may be slightly confusing, but consider Jesus provides the saving power of life - resurrection and spiritual life, there must be an executor over death for all things to be, well, fair and balanced. Consider Abbadon as the God of Justice and Jehovah as the God of Mercy.
This doesn’t make sense that he would be made king over Adam. I get that he is the angel of death, and in the sense that Adam became subject to death because of the Fall. Maybe this is speaking only of his temporal state? Because in the overall scheme, he obviously is over Mouriel. But temporally, Adam, through the Fall, becomes subject to death like everyone else. Consecration.

These, seven … pillars of fire? Like unto … also note the Angel of the Lord who bears the ineffable name (Exodus 23) is the pillar of fire leading Israel’s exodus, and the sixth promise of overcoming in Revelation promises the recipient to become a "pillar in the temple of my God."

"Thy teeth shall project from thy mouth the length of half a cubit.

"The fingers of thy hands and [the toes of] thy feet shall be like unto sharp reaping-knives.

"Seven heads shall be on the top of thy head, and they shall change their shapes and forms [continually].

There’s that number again. Seven angels pass on their right and provide their rights to rule to the 8th angel who now bears seven heads. This would be an awesome drawing. I gave a stab at a Photoshop job of such at the beginning of this article. ..... enjoy

Could these seven angels be standing behind their younger brother ... all having conceded their right to rule to him who sitteth upon the throne? This would explain so much, especially in the Book of Revelation.

Revelation 10:1 And I saw another mighty angel come down from heaven, clothed with a cloud: and a rainbow was upon his head, and his face was as it were the sun, and his feet as pillars of fire:

2 And he had in his hand a little book open: and he set his right foot upon the sea, and his left foot on the earth,

3 And cried with a loud voice, as when a lion roareth: and when he had cried, seven thunders uttered their voices.

Hold a minute! Both the seven thunders and the pillars of fire are mentioned in Revelation 10 and in Discourse on Abbaton regarding the description of the Angel of Death. How many colors are in the Rainbow? Seven. This is the dominion given to this mighty - note: numberless - angel of Revelation. When he cried ... the seven thunders, read: archangels, uttered their voices.
I believe Brigham knew it was more than a figure of speech when he declared “So also are the devils in hell looking at this people, too, and trying to overthrow us, and the people are still shaking hands with the servants of the devil, instead of sanctifying themselves and calling upon the Lord and doing the work which he has commanded us and put into our hands to do. When I think upon this subject, I want the tongues of seven thunders to wake up the people. (JD 18:304). The identity of the seven thunders is a great mystery to the other Christian religions. They ask this question often. How beautiful it is to be able to put modern revelation together with the guidance of the Holy Ghost and early Christian writings to say definitively who they are.

Wow, that's an incredible quote from Brigham Young. It's uncanny how presumptuous the "official" interpretation of "sons of thunder" is and yet nobody seems to connect the term to the seven thunders.

Robbinius wrote: ↑July 1st, 2019, 12:27 am
"Thine eyes shall look down upon the earth, and upon whatsoever is in the depths of the waters; nothing shall be hidden from thee in heaven, nor from one end of the earth to the other, from the north to the south, and from the east to the west, among all the created things which I have made.

North, south, east, and west is also all over Revelation. The power of omnipresence is bestowed upon Mouriel / Abbadon.
Yes. The power of thought is hidden from Satan and his minions. Yet the Holy Ghost is able to read our thoughts and hearts perfectly. Sounds like this is part of “nothing shall be hidden from thee...”

Ok as I’ve been going through this, the Spirit is teaching me how he is over Adam. It is indeed over him through the Fall and death. Wow. The Spirit is teaching here....

I can only imagine the silence at this point - imagine all the Apostles staring dumbfounded and blinking at the Lord in silence. I hope there is a similar effect upon you dear reader. There certainly was upon me as I read this amazing apocryphon.
Yes...yes there is...

Thank you for your comments! I look forward to your finishing the article and hopefully sharing any additional thoughts and comments here.

It's truly a wonder that Hugh Nibley and Bruce Porter both have read this apocryphon and both underscored the elements that reinforce our unique doctrines and revelations. Though I don't know all of their works, I think a lot of LDS scholars look too narrowly to reinforce what's been revealed rather than at what hasn't.

DRC53 · Post by **DRC53** » July 28th, 2019, 11:10 pm

Alaris,

This is a wonderful read. Thank you for sharing all of your intensive study with us! It really is amazing.

Alaris · Post by **Alaris** » July 29th, 2019, 11:57 am

DRC53 wrote: ↑July 28th, 2019, 11:10 pm Alaris,

This is a wonderful read. Thank you for sharing all of your intensive study with us! It really is amazing.

Thank you, truly, for the kind comment. I want to keep this as the "home" thread and link here any offshoot discussions that build upon this foundation. The discussion for my latest article that follows "Discourse on Abbaton" is called "The Son of Man"

"The Son of Man"

Link to article - http://lordoftheseraphim.blogspot.com/2 ... f-man.html

Link to thread /viewtopic.php?f=14&t=52076

In Page 18 of this thread, there is some discussion on "Testament of Levi" started by Simpleton (who also made me aware of "Discourse on Abbaton" tyvm Simpleton) - I hope to have time to add more to this discussion where the Testament of Levi not only speaks to the end times' Davidic King but also speaks to the High Priest of Israel being the 8th to the 7 where the 7 dress and prepare the one to whom the office points. Truly incredible stuff - can't wait to share this yet additional witness of the Davidic Servant being the 8th angel / authority under Jesus Himself.

Alaris · Post by **Alaris** » July 29th, 2019, 3:42 pm

At the end of this post, I've quoted a post from page 18 in response to Simpleton's introduction of the Testament of Levi - a truly incredible pseudepigraphal work referenced in the Dead Sea Scrolls.

My wife and I watched the video below yesterday, and as he referenced the seven men wearing white, my ears perked up as you can imagine. This video is fantastic even if you just enjoy cool confirmations of the truthfulness of the temple ordinances (even if this nice brother seemingly has no idea just how deep this rabbit hole goes)

So, here is Testament of Levi - chapter 8 with commentary:

https://archive.org/stream/pdfy-T7Y10Pu ... i_djvu.txt

Testament of Levi 8

1 And there again I saw a vision even as the former, after we had spent there seventy days.

2 And I saw seven men in white raiment saying unto me: Arise, put on the robe of the priesthood, and the crown of righteousness, and the breastplate of understanding, and the garment of truth, and the plate of faith, and the turban of the head, and the ephod of prophecy.

The seven men in white are speaking to Levi - the Levi - about the garb of the High Priest of Israel. This symbolizes the seven archangels whose work is to make the high priest of Israel both king and priest. So very much to say here. Zechariah 6:12-13 is about the priest who sits upon a throne becoming both king and priest. If the language above didn't already make this obvious, see the quoted message from page 18 of this thread below that demonstrates the priest and king factor of the Davidic Servant.

The turban worn by the high priest - a turban worn by the Angel Jahoel in The Apocalypse of Abraham, and a rainbow turban worn by the "other angel" of Revelation 10. The crown of righteousness - perhaps the most commonly used key word aligned to the Davidic Servant. The breastplate of understanding - upon which reside the Urim and Thummim. Understanding points to Isaiah 6 & Matthew 13 which is the order of priests, apostles, 144,000 seraphim, etc.

So again, we have yet another witness that there are 7 holy men and an 8th man - and that 8th man points to the office of High Priest of Israel. But, wait, there's more!

3 And they severally carried (these things) and put (them) on me, and said unto me: From henceforth be- come a priest of the Lord, thou and thy seed for ever.

What's that sound like? Think of the name given for the fourth token ... this is what is given when you become one of the seven ... think of the title of the fourth token. That's right - what a coincidence. This is the fullness of the Priesthood. Think of Psalms 110:4

4 And the first anointed me with holy oil, and gave to me the staff of judgement.

Rod of Iron, Was Scepter, Budding Rod of Aaron, King's scepter etc. - Also held by the Angel Jahoel in The Apocalypse of Abraham. This first angel may be Joseph Smith, or whoever the archangel is who is least among them ... who held the office of High Priest in a prior world - and the staff of judgement as he called forth the first resurrection.

5 The second washed me with pure water, and fed me with bread and wine (even) the most holy things, and clad me with a holy and glori- ous robe.

Washed, anointed, fed bread and wine - bear in mind this work is referenced in the Dead Sea Scrolls which collection predates Jesus Christ.

6 The third clothed me with a linen vestment like an ephod.

7 The fourth put round me a girdle like unto purple.

Purple is the color of royalty - apparently it's very difficult to dye clothing purple which is one reason why it has been used by the royal line of Great Britain. Purple is also the lowest color of the rainbow and highest color in the mirrored double rainbow.

8 The fifth gave me a branch of rich olive.

Both the rod and root of Jesse and the two Oliver trees of Zechariah 4 who John says is the two witnesses are Olive Tree metaphors.

9 The sixth placed a crown on my head.

I have come to recently suspect that those who overcome their level are awarded by the patriarch of their order. As the servant ascends, perhaps Enoch will be the one who places the crown as he and his dispensation align to the sixth level of mankind. In 1 Enoch 39, Enoch is aligned to the order of seraphim and longs to be with them. He names them as "his antecedent inheritance" which means he has been there done that already and is now numbered among the seven patriarchs.

10 The seventh placed on my head a diadem of priesthood, and filled my hands with incense, that I might serve as priest to the Lord God.

Joining the seventh level is becoming both priest and king. Interesting how the crown of kingship is given by the sixth, and the diadem of the priesthood is given by the seventh ... yet this is where the fullness of the priesthood is attained.

Although David was a king, he never did obtain the spirit and power of Elijah and the fullness of the Priesthood; and the Priesthood that he received, and the throne and kingdom of David is to be taken from him and given to another by the name of David in the last days, raised up out of his lineage. ~ Joseph Smith, March 10, 1844

So, the latter-day David will finish King David's work and receive the fullness of the Priesthood? This makes perfect sense given the context and the many, many scriptures and apocrypha, including this one, that reinforce this understanding.

11 And they said to me: Levi, thy seed shall be divided into three of- fices, for a sign of the glory of the Lord who is to come.

12 And the first portion shall be great; yea, greater than it shall none be.

13 The second shall be in the priesthood.

14 And the third shall be called by a new name, because a king shall arise in Judah, and shall establish a new priesthood, after the fashion of the Gentiles to all the Gentiles.

Joseph Smith talks about three levels of Priesthood power twice - we have a clean record of his sermon Elias, Elijah, Messiah. In the second, unfortunately, the account is not so clean. However, there were multiple witnesses - and again he talks about three levels of priesthood power. In both accounts he speaks of the process of receiving the fullness. In one he gives the famous quote above about King David and the one who receives David's throne and kingdom in the latter-days. In the other he speaks of the Holy Ghost receiving a fullness of the Priesthood. My, my, my what coincidences these all are.

Also note that the seed of Levi is referenced and there are three offices of his seed. The third is a King who arises in Judah. Now if this pseudepigrapha is legitimate - and there are a LOT of coincidences here if it isn't - then Levi is not being told about the lands of Judah or the Kingdom of Judah - which hasn't established yet - but of the tribe of Judah.

Now, so far this is Levi's vision of what the seven men in white are doing to dress him personally. Too bad there aren't more references to the Davidic Servant in addition to the one above. Oh wait, what's this?

15 And his presence is beloved, as a prophet of the Most High, of the seed of Abraham our father.

Beloved! (David) This is the "third" above who is called by a new name. A king who arises in Judah who establishes a new priesthood. In that video above, the author speaks about how British royalty and Popes have traces of truth founded in their anointings - where they are given new names upon their ascension as king / queen or pope / popess (there was one haha.) I just posted in the Son of Man thread recently about how Abraham and Israel represent Elohim and Michael - and Isaac and Joseph represent Jesus and the Davidic Servant. Jesus is sitting upon the throne of Elohim and the Davidic Servant upon the throne of Michael. Both Abraham and Israel had their names changed whereas Isaac and Joseph do not. Though Joseph has a hidden Egyptian name, that name was not given to him by God as Abraham and Israel.

16 Therefore, every desirable thing in Israel shall be for thee and for thy seed, And ye shall eat everything fair to look upon, And the table of the Lord shall thy seed apportion.

17 And some of them shall be high priests, and judges, and scribes; for by their mouth shall the holy place be guarded.

18 And when I awoke, I understood that this (dream) was like the first dream.

19 And I hid this also in my heart, and told it not to any man upon the earth.

So we know the Rod of Jesse is of Ephraim and Judah - but will he have the blood of Levi as well? By the mouth of Levi's seed the holy place is guarded. What's interesting about this verse above is threefold:

First - I have aligned the levites to level four and to the four-winged cherubim.
Second - Cherubim and a flaming sword guard the tree of life
Third - Cherubim flank the ark of the covenant to guard the mercy seat

But I'm sure that's all a coincidence!

Alaris wrote: ↑June 26th, 2019, 11:53 am
simpleton wrote: ↑June 26th, 2019, 9:07 am AND whereas ye have heard concerning the seventy weeks, hear also concerning the priesthood. For in each jubilee there shall be a priesthood.

2 And in the first jubilee, the first who is anointed to the priesthood shall be great, and shall speak to God as to a Father.

3 And his priesthood shall be perfect with the Lord, and in the day of his gladness shall he arise for the salvation of the world.
Joseph Smith?
4 In the second jubilee, he that is anointed shall be conceived in the sorrow of beloved ones; and his priesthood shall be honoured and shall be glorified by all.
Brigham Young?
5 And the third priest shall be taken hold of by sorrow.
John Taylor?
6 And the fourth shall be in pain, because unrighteousness shall gather itself against him exceedingly, and all Israel shall hate each one his neighbour.
Wiford Woodruff?
7 The fifth shall be taken hold of by darkness. Likewise also the sixth and the seventh.
Lorenzo Snow, Joseph F Smith, Heber J Grant?
8 And in the seventh shall, be such pollution as I cannot express before men, for they shall know it who do these things.
Dude -where do you find this stuff? This is incredible!

Simpleton - I gave props to you in my latest article - but I removed it because I should have asked first. Thank you for yet another amazing find!

I believe the seven angels are the seven archangels or dispensation heads.

Testament of Levi 1:22 In the heaven next to it are the archangels, who minister and make propitiation to the Lord for all the sins of ignorance of the righteous;
24 And in the heaven below this are the angels who bear answers to the angels of the presence of the Lord.

Aha! In verse 24, these are the level six angels or the seraphim of level six form whence comes the order of the Apostles. These have eyes to see and ears to hear which is likely why they bear the "answers" - maybe. But it fits.

So this is interesting from chapter IV. Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob are considered the patriarchs of, well, Israel. Why not Joseph? The easy answer is his brothers are a part of Israel, but Joseph's is the longest story of Genesis because he is a type of the Davidic Servant imho. He gathers his brothers (other 11 tribes) and saves them, but first he is rejected by the "tribes" of Israel, descends below Egypt as a slave then prisoner and then ascends above Egypt, then saves Israel. So this verse speaks of the heavenly representation which is receiving the fullness of the Priesthood as both Priest and King:

Testament of Levi 4:10 Whosoever teaches noble things and does them, shall be enthroned with kings, as was also Joseph my brother.

Aha ... see! In the same chapter, Levi speaks of Israel's fate in the end times, and tells them of one who they will treat just as Joseph:

Testament of Levi 4:27 And a man who reneweth the law in the power of the Most High, ye shall call a deceiver; and at last ye shall rush upon him to slay him, not knowing his dignity, taking innocent blood through wickedness upon your heads.
28 And your holy places shall be laid waste even to the ground because of him.
29 And ye shall have no place that is clean; but ye shall be among the Gentiles a curse and a dispersion until He shall again visit you, and in pity shall receive you through faith and water.

Being rejected by your people is apparently part of the Davidic Covenant. Even King David was cast out and persecuted by Saul before he took the throne.

Testament of Levi Chapter V

AND whereas ye have heard concerning the seventy weeks, hear also concerning the priesthood. For in each jubilee there shall be a priesthood.

I think Priesthood = Dispensation. Only one who has the fullness of the Priesthood can start a dispensation. BY stated he did not.

2 And in the first jubilee, the first who is anointed to the priesthood shall be great, and shall speak to God as to a father.

3 And his priesthood shall be perfect with the Lord, and in the day of his gladness shall he arise for the salvation of the world.

Adam?

4 In the second jubilee, he that is anointed shall be conceived in the sorrow of beloved ones; and his priesthood shall be honoured and shall be glorified by all.

Could this be Enoch? He was hated. (Moses 6:31)

5 And the third priest shall he taken hold of by sorrow.

Noah & the Flood?

6 And the fourth shall be in pain, because unrighteousness shall gather itself against him exceedingly, and all Israel shall hate each one his neighbour.

Like almost sacrifice him on a lion couch? Israel shall hate each one his neighbor though .... how could that fit into the time from Abraham to ...ah. This could be the neighbors in Canaan as there was certainly some hate there, like when the Israelites duped the natives into circumcising themselves before killing them (Genesis 34.)

7 The fifth shall be taken hold of by darkness. Likewise also the sixth and the seventh.

I think this is more representative of the lower levels of mankind, maybe. Peter and Joseph Smith were certainly taken hold by darkness and martyred. Moses was unable to enter the promised land. Not a perfect fit, but ... I do think these are most likely the seven dispensation heads. That would fit with my interpretation of Discourse on Abbaton as well....Seven men who are both priests and kings. The eighth is the newbie.

8 And in the seventh shall, be such pollution as I cannot express before men, for they shall know it who do these things.

This is interesting to me because in 3 Enoch there are 7 heavens and 7 halls that are higher than the 7 heavens.

9 Therefore shall they be taken captive and become a prey, and their land and their substance shall be destroyed.

10 And in the fifth week they shall return to their desolate country, and shall renew the house of the Lord.

11 And in the seventh week shall become priests, who are idolaters, adulterers, lovers of money, proud, lawless, lascivious, abusers of children and beasts.

12 And after their punishment shall have come from the Lord, the priesthood shall fail.

I started a thread recently about whether we could lose the Melchizedek Priesthood. John the Baptist promised the Aaronic Priesthood would never again leave the Earth. While restoring the Melchizedek Priesthood, Peter, James, and John said....well we don't know what they said do we?

13 Then shall the Lord raise up a new priest.

14 And to him all the words of the Lord shall be revealed; and he shall execute a righteous judgement upon the earth for a multitude of days.

15 And his star shall arise in heaven as of a king.

Boomshakalaka. A new priest and king. Hrm.... what a coincidence! This is why this full quote below is necessary to know the context of the Latter-day David (usually just the last half is quoted.) The context is to finish what King David started - to receive the fullness of the Priesthood by becoming both King and Priest.

Although David was a king, he never did obtain the spirit and power of Elijah and the fullness of the Priesthood; and the Priesthood that he received, and the throne and kingdom of David is to be taken from him and given to another by the name of David in the last days, raised up out of his lineage. ~ Joseph Smith

And where have we heard righteousness and judgement in regards to the Davidic Servant? Oh that's right, all over Isaiah and beyond.

16 Lighting up the light of knowledge as the sun the day, and he shall be magnified in the world.

This fits with the Davidic Servant prophecies - see Isaiah 28 for starters. He shows up with knowledge, and how is he received? Badly.

17 He shall shine forth as the sun on the earth, and shall remove all darkness from under heaven, and there shall be peace in all the earth.

Isaiah 49:6 And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth.

18 The heavens shall exult in his days, and the earth shall be glad, and the clouds shall rejoice;

Who is this that comes in the clouds?

19 And the knowledge of the Lord shall be poured forth upon the earth, as the water of the seas;

20 And the angels of the glory of the presence of the Lord shall be glad in him.

21 The heavens shall be opened, and from the temple of glory shall come upon him sanctification, with the Father's voice as from Abraham to Isaac.

Verse 21 is the fulfillment of Yom Kippur - the receiving of the fullness of the Priesthood is receiving the name of the Father and the new name of the Son (Revelation 3:12.) This fulfillment is also in Revelation 11 - right after the two witnesses seal their testimonies and are risen, immediately are the kingdoms of this world declared to be the kingdom of our Lord and his Christ....and then:

Revelation 11:19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.

22 And the glory of the Most High shall be uttered over him, and the spirit of understanding and sanctification shall rest upon him in the water.

23 For he shall give the majesty of the Lord to His sons in truth for evermore;

Verse 22 is a reference to the seven "spirits" of the Rod of Isaiah 11, but sanctification is new. That's the role of the Holy Ghost. Could they be the same person??? EUREKA

Seriously simpleton - You've brought much joy to me in the last few weeks due to the Discourse on Abbaton alone - and now you gift me with this! Sincere, heartfelt thanks.

Edit:

Super interesting read on the background of the Testament of Levi - the Apocalypse is reinforced by the Dead Sea Scrolls singularly among the 12 testaments of the sons of Jacob.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Testament ... Patriarchs

Alaris · Post by **Alaris** » August 3rd, 2019, 5:04 pm

Just a quick post today -

Before reading Discourse on Abbaton, I never got a good sense on:

A. What Michael is doing
B. How the 7th level of mankind aligns to the day of rest

I thought perhaps having the presence of the father somehow equates to rest. I do think there is an element of this - "to go no more out" means the probationary / conditional element is over - forever. That certainly is a type of rest. The 7th level has another 7 levels within with a clear hierarchy among the seven patriarchs. If I had more time, I would write a case for all the many symbols that point to the number 7 - including the seven levels of mankind. On the 6th day man is created.Upon overcoming the sixth level, a man becomes a God - a Son of Man becomes a Man.

So how does the 7th level align to the day of rest?

Well, Adam earned this world. The throne of this world is his. And as this world begins, he vacates the throne, ...and ... rests.

Fig. 1. Abraham sitting upon Pharaoh’s throne, by the politeness of the king, with a crown upon his head, representing the Priesthood, as emblematical of the grand Presidency in Heaven; with the scepter of justice and judgment in his hand.

Alaris · Post by **Alaris** » August 5th, 2019, 10:26 am

Paul comforts the crew of a ship bound for Rome during a tempest.

Acts 27:22 And now I exhort you to be of good cheer: for there shall be no loss of any man’s life among you, but of the ship.
23 For there stood by me this night the angel of God, whose I am, and whom I serve,
24 Saying, Fear not, Paul; thou must be brought before Cæsar: and, lo, God hath given thee all them that sail with thee.

Paul clearly knows about the secret of the Angel of the Lord - his writings - Corinthians, Romans, Hebrews, all underscore his knowledge (first Adam / last Adam, Holy Ghost raises Jesus, etc.) A good friend pointed out this scripture to me last night. The unnamed (by prophets, but they know who he is) angel is whom Paul serves because he sits upon the throne. Like Nephi, he can only share so much.

Michael Sherwin · Post by **Michael Sherwin** » August 5th, 2019, 1:23 pm

Alaris wrote: ↑August 5th, 2019, 10:26 am Paul comforts the crew of a ship bound for Rome during a tempest.

Acts 27:22 And now I exhort you to be of good cheer: for there shall be no loss of any man’s life among you, but of the ship.
23 For there stood by me this night the angel of God, whose I am, and whom I serve,
24 Saying, Fear not, Paul; thou must be brought before Cæsar: and, lo, God hath given thee all them that sail with thee.

Paul clearly knows about the secret of the Angel of the Lord - his writings - Corinthians, Romans, Hebrews, all underscore his knowledge (first Adam / last Adam, Holy Ghost raises Jesus, etc.) A good friend pointed out this scripture to me last night. The unnamed (by prophets, but they know who he is) angel is whom Paul serves because he sits upon the throne. Like Nephi, he can only share so much.

Zechariah 6:11 Then take silver and gold, and make crowns, and set them upon the head of Joshua the son of Josedech, the high priest;

Zechariah 6:12 And speak unto him, saying, Thus speaketh the LORD of hosts, saying, Behold the man whose name is The BRANCH; and he shall grow up out of his place, and he shall build the temple of the LORD:

It would seem from this that the future king (Davidic Servant) will be the son of the high priest. Therefore since his name is "The BRANCH" is that a clue to his identity. Isn't Jesus the high priest? I'm not feeling very well at the moment so I can't expend much energy on this at the moment. Maybe you can expound on this a bit.

Alaris · Post by **Alaris** » August 5th, 2019, 1:36 pm

Michael Sherwin wrote: ↑August 5th, 2019, 1:23 pm
Alaris wrote: ↑August 5th, 2019, 10:26 am Paul comforts the crew of a ship bound for Rome during a tempest.

Acts 27:22 And now I exhort you to be of good cheer: for there shall be no loss of any man’s life among you, but of the ship.
23 For there stood by me this night the angel of God, whose I am, and whom I serve,
24 Saying, Fear not, Paul; thou must be brought before Cæsar: and, lo, God hath given thee all them that sail with thee.

Paul clearly knows about the secret of the Angel of the Lord - his writings - Corinthians, Romans, Hebrews, all underscore his knowledge (first Adam / last Adam, Holy Ghost raises Jesus, etc.) A good friend pointed out this scripture to me last night. The unnamed (by prophets, but they know who he is) angel is whom Paul serves because he sits upon the throne. Like Nephi, he can only share so much.
Zechariah 6:11 Then take silver and gold, and make crowns, and set them upon the head of Joshua the son of Josedech, the high priest;

Zechariah 6:12 And speak unto him, saying, Thus speaketh the LORD of hosts, saying, Behold the man whose name is The BRANCH; and he shall grow up out of his place, and he shall build the temple of the LORD:

It would seem from this that the future king (Davidic Servant) will be the son of the high priest. Therefore since his name is "The BRANCH" is that a clue to his identity. Isn't Jesus the high priest? I'm not feeling very well at the moment so I can't expend much energy on this at the moment. Maybe you can expound on this a bit.

Great scripture Michael - lots of symbolism involved. The Angel of the Lord is clothing Joshua in the garb of the High Priest of Israel. I suspect the two witnesses are linked to this foreshadowing. In fact, Zechariah 4 - just two chapters earlier - speaks of the two anointed ones who are the two olive trees next to the seven-candled menorah who all receive oil from golden bowl. I believe one of the two witnesses will ascend and receive his everlasting name and crown, and the other will be clothed as Joshua and as the son of Aaron - the one who inherits the office of High Priest of Israel.

Jesus is the High Priest of the Melchizedek Priesthood. The Davidic Servant is the High Priest of the Aaronic Priesthood. It's funny how nobody even thinks to ask this in our religion. So many Christians understandably think that Jesus is the High Priest of Israel (google this phrase and you'll see a goofy painting of Jesus dressed as High Priest of Israel.) Big ...fat...nope. We should know better, shouldn't we? We know Jesus is to whom the Melchizedek Priesthood points. To whom points the Aaronic? - asks just about no member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

Alaris · Post by **Alaris** » August 5th, 2019, 2:24 pm

So ... I started this reply in another thread to a question about Isaiah 4:1. I realized as soon as I looked at the remaining verses who the one man is and who the seven women are. I mean ... WOW

I was thinking about Isaiah 4:1 recently ... what if this is "one man" literally? What if this is a prophecy about one man and seven women, and that's it? So many think this is a return to polygamy (which is indeed an eternal law) but what if it's not about polygamy at all?

Seven brides - and one bridegroom .... first of all, is seven a random number here? Why not say "Several" or "many" or "five" women? Might could that be the new covenant at the wedding of the bridegroom from the seven brides or seven orders of mankind to the bridegroom? Hrm ...

Perhaps others are thinking I'm seeing the same elephant in every cloud or inkblot, but take a look at the remaining verses:

Isaiah 4:1 And in that day seven women shall take hold of one man, saying, We will eat our own bread, and wear our own apparel: only let us be called by thy name, to take away our reproach.

2 In that day shall the branch of the Lord be beautiful and glorious, and the fruit of the earth shall be excellent and comely for them that are escaped of Israel.

3 And it shall come to pass, that he that is left in Zion, and he that remaineth in Jerusalem, shall be called holy, even every one that is written among the living in Jerusalem:

4 When the Lord shall have washed away the filth of the daughters of Zion, and shall have purged the blood of Jerusalem from the midst thereof by the spirit of judgment, and by the spirit of burning.

5 And the Lord will create upon every dwelling place of mount Zion, and upon her assemblies, a cloud and smoke by day, and the shining of a flaming fire by night: for upon all the glory shall be a defence.

6 And there shall be a tabernacle for a shadow in the daytime from the heat, and for a place of refuge, and for a covert from storm and from rain.

Well then - ZION is a she. I believe there are many layers to this, and closely related to woman's divine rule, including the bearing of curses and the tribal element. The seven daughters of ZION will cling to one man ... then look at verse 4 - the daughters of ZION are purged by the blood of "Jerusalem" (Jesus Christ) by the Spirit of Judgement (Davidic Servant - compare to Isaiah 11:1-6 aka the Rod of Jesse) - and the spirit of burning. "that they may be sanctified by the reception of the Holy Ghost" (3 Nephi 27:20 iirc)

Verses 2-6 indicate that verse 1 is in a time of glory and return to ZION. This is the wedding of the bridegroom to all seven levels or tribes of mankind. imho

Let us be called by thy name ... wow

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