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Archaeology: City of David and Temple Mount
Posted: March 11th, 2018, 4:18 pm
by marc
I just want to open a topic to share videos of research as the the location of the City of David becomes more clear. Part of this research is studying Flavius Josephus who was born right after Jesus Christ's death and resurrection and was an eye witness of the destruction of Jerusalem after Christ's death. His writings are a valuable resource of information about life in Judea during Rome's conquest.
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Re: Archaeology: City of David and Temple Mount
Posted: March 11th, 2018, 5:24 pm
by marc
Re: Archaeology: City of David and Temple Mount
Posted: March 11th, 2018, 7:34 pm
by marc
Re: Archaeology: City of David and Temple Mount
Posted: March 12th, 2018, 10:52 am
by DesertWonderer2
It’s all pretty interesting stuff.
Re: Archaeology: City of David and Temple Mount
Posted: March 13th, 2018, 2:50 pm
by marc
Although I believe the "Temple Mount" (currently occupied by the Muslim Dome of the Rock) was once the Roman Fort Antonia and not the location of Solomon's temple, the jury is still out on the matter. If you watched the video in the OP, evidence strongly suggests that Solomon built the temple below the Roman fort in the City of David. Regardless, the Watchman Channel is one I enjoy following, notwithstanding the intermittent ads. It puts out some quality stuff for viewers:
Re: Archaeology: City of David and Temple Mount
Posted: March 13th, 2018, 3:25 pm
by DesertWonderer2
This video presentation counters those above.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yU5ozcdN1zU
Always a fascinating topic.
Re: Archaeology: City of David and Temple Mount
Posted: March 13th, 2018, 3:42 pm
by Seek the Truth
I lean toward the first video. I've never really worried about it because God will take care of it.
Re: Archaeology: City of David and Temple Mount
Posted: March 13th, 2018, 3:44 pm
by marc
Here is a four part series, which also provides an extensively detailed counter argument by Norma Robertson:
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Re: Archaeology: City of David and Temple Mount
Posted: March 13th, 2018, 3:48 pm
by marc
Seek the Truth wrote: ↑March 13th, 2018, 3:42 pm
I lean toward the first video. I've never really worried about it because God will take care of it.
Good point. As a novice historian, though, watching the discoveries unfold fascinates me and is very exciting. It is a timely series of events in light of the Times of the Gentiles coming to an end.
Re: Archaeology: City of David and Temple Mount
Posted: March 13th, 2018, 3:51 pm
by Seek the Truth
It is certainly fascinating and I am grateful for the thread.
Re: Archaeology: City of David and Temple Mount
Posted: March 13th, 2018, 4:37 pm
by marc
After watching Norma's videos, I am strongly persuaded by her research. She has certainly done her homework. In any case, seeing all the artifacts and locations piecing together the history, it makes the history and the stories of the Bible come alive to me.
Re: Archaeology: City of David and Temple Mount
Posted: March 13th, 2018, 5:26 pm
by marc
Re: Archaeology: City of David and Temple Mount
Posted: March 13th, 2018, 5:42 pm
by marc
This video was published two weeks ago, 2/25/2018
Re: Archaeology: City of David and Temple Mount
Posted: March 13th, 2018, 7:41 pm
by h_p
I've loved the first several of these videos that I've watched so far. It's stuff I never really thought of, but I'm honestly surprised that so much archeological evidence about Jewish history is so recent. We certainly live in interesting times!
Re: Archaeology: City of David and Temple Mount
Posted: March 13th, 2018, 7:46 pm
by marc
Wait until you watch Norma Robertson's videos!
Re: Archaeology: City of David and Temple Mount
Posted: March 21st, 2018, 9:59 am
by EdGoble
I think the biggest question is, where does the new Sanhedrin intend to build the new temple?
Even if they never find out where the old temple was built precisely, it seems to me that the Jews will end up building it wherever they build it. Where will that be?
Its true that Brigham Young said that the St. George Temple couldn't be moved from the spot that was originally designated for a Nephite Temple in a swamp. But in this case, Mormons will not have control over the rebuilding project. Perhaps we ought to be asking where they think that they will build it, and what they are preparing for. It seems more likely that it will end up next to the mosque, even if it is the "wrong place" from a historical standpoint, because that is majority opinion. We will basically have to settle for whatever we get, regardless of where it was anciently. Therefore, it may not matter where it was so much as where it will be.
Re: Archaeology: City of David and Temple Mount
Posted: March 21st, 2018, 10:56 am
by DesertWonderer2
The Jews can’t build a REAL temple. Only The Church has authority to build REAL temes. The Jews may build a building that could cause tensions to start WWIII however.
Re: Archaeology: City of David and Temple Mount
Posted: March 21st, 2018, 3:26 pm
by EdGoble
DesertWonderer2 wrote: ↑March 21st, 2018, 10:56 am
The Jews can’t build a REAL temple. Only The Church has authority to build REAL temes. The Jews may build a building that could cause tensions to start WWIII however.
That's not the only scenario.
Another one is for the Jews to build the temple as their structure first, and for the Church to dedicate it later on in the Millennium as a real temple.
And yet another is for the Jews to build this one, and the Church to build a separate structure in Jerusalem later.
Or, yet even another, for the Jews to build their temple which would remain Jewish, and for the Church to dedicate the BYU Jerusalem center after remodeling it as a temple. The idea that the BYU Jerusalem center could ever be an LDS temple has had a lot of pushback from the Church to squash it as a rumor, but it still nevertheless remains one of the most plausible options.
In the end you are right that whatever happens, the LDS must have a temple in Jerusalem. I am just skeptical that that the LDS must have one as a fulfillment of a specific prophecy for the second coming to occur. For that, at the very least, the Jews must have one, but it doesn't have to be dedicated as an actual temple by actual priesthood at that time.
Re: Archaeology: City of David and Temple Mount
Posted: March 21st, 2018, 7:54 pm
by DesertWonderer2
EdGoble wrote: ↑March 21st, 2018, 3:26 pm
DesertWonderer2 wrote: ↑March 21st, 2018, 10:56 am
The Jews can’t build a REAL temple. Only The Church has authority to build REAL temes. The Jews may build a building that could cause tensions to start WWIII however.
That's not the only scenario.
Another one is for the Jews to build the temple as their structure first, and for the Church to dedicate it later on in the Millennium as a real temple.
And yet another is for the Jews to build this one, and the Church to build a separate structure in Jerusalem later.
Or, yet even another, for the Jews to build their temple which would remain Jewish, and for the Church to dedicate the BYU Jerusalem center after remodeling it as a temple. The idea that the BYU Jerusalem center could ever be an LDS temple has had a lot of pushback from the Church to squash it as a rumor, but it still nevertheless remains one of the most plausible options.
In the end you are right that whatever happens, the LDS must have a temple in Jerusalem. I am just skeptical that that the LDS must have one as a fulfillment of a specific prophecy for the second coming to occur. For that, at the very least, the Jews must have one, but it doesn't have to be dedicated as an actual temple by actual priesthood at that time.
You can scratch off your list one of those options. The Y’s Jerusalem center will never be converted to a temple. Guess how I know that. Its because Julie Rowe said that she saw exactly that in one of her visions. Proof enough for me that it WON’T happen: if she “saw” it it can’t possibly be true.
Re: Archaeology: City of David and Temple Mount
Posted: March 21st, 2018, 10:28 pm
by Kingdom of ZION
DesertWonderer2 wrote: ↑March 21st, 2018, 10:56 am
The Jews can’t build a REAL temple. Only The Church has authority to build REAL temes. The Jews may build a building that could cause tensions to start WWIII however.
So where are the Son of Levi going to offer an offering in righteousness, and remove the Aaronic Priesthood from the LDS Church? Joseph Smith-History 1:69
???Just wondering???
I doubt very highly that it is going to be in the Bronx's in a little synagogue, where they will start offering animal sacrifices! 
Re: Archaeology: City of David and Temple Mount
Posted: March 21st, 2018, 11:05 pm
by Kingdom of ZION
Button Button, whos got the Button? Oh you do... and no one else can build a Temple!
Oh Please, G_d can call whom ever He will, choose whatever people He wants, gather them to where ever He feels, and have as many houses of Prayer built unto His name as He wants! When the Gospel returned back unto Yesrael, as per 3 Nephi 16, and the First shall be last and the Last First, and the Wild Olive Branches are cut out and the Natural Branches are grafted back in (see Jacob and Hebrews).
And then you might want to read Moroni 5:19-24 real careful!
19 And behold, the Lord hath reserved their blessings, which they might have received in the land, for the Gentiles who shall possess the land.
20 But behold, it shall come to pass that they shall be driven and scattered by the Gentiles; and after they have been driven and scattered by the Gentiles, behold, then will the Lord remember the covenant which he made unto Abraham and unto all the house of Israel.
21 And also the Lord will remember the prayers of the righteous, which have been put up unto him for them.
22 And then, O ye Gentiles, how can ye stand before the power of God, except ye shall repent and turn from your evil ways?
23 Know ye not that ye are in the hands of God? Know ye not that he hath all power, and at his great command the earth shall be rolled together as a scroll?
24 Therefore, repent ye, and humble yourselves before him, lest he shall come out in justice against you—lest a remnant of the seed of Jacob shall go forth among you as a lion, and tear you in pieces, and there is none to deliver.
https://www.mormonchronicle.com/a-lion-among-sheep/
Re: Archaeology: City of David and Temple Mount
Posted: March 21st, 2018, 11:08 pm
by Seek the Truth
I was waiting for KOZ to weigh in on all things Hebraic. Good stuff.
Re: Archaeology: City of David and Temple Mount
Posted: March 21st, 2018, 11:40 pm
by Kingdom of ZION
Seek the Truth wrote: ↑March 21st, 2018, 11:08 pm
I was waiting for KOZ to weigh in on all things Hebraic. Good stuff.
Thanks StT,
As for the Original Temple location, I agree it is not on what they call the Temple Mount... but does it really matter? There is no Prophecy or Commandment that says it has to be on the very same foundation. However, looking around, they just may come up with the original Arc of the Covenant.
Was the Nauvoo Temple perfectly lined up so as to have a Holy of Holies upon the very same spot? Oh yeah... did they even remember to put one in?
I only know of 2 LDS Temples that have one, the last I checked.
Re: Archaeology: City of David and Temple Mount
Posted: March 22nd, 2018, 12:10 am
by Seek the Truth
Kingdom of ZION wrote: ↑March 21st, 2018, 11:40 pm
Seek the Truth wrote: ↑March 21st, 2018, 11:08 pm
I was waiting for KOZ to weigh in on all things Hebraic. Good stuff.
Thanks StT,
As for the Original Temple location, I agree it is not on what they call the Temple Mount... but does it really matter? There is no Prophecy or Commandment that says it has to be on the very same foundation. However, looking around, they just may come up with the original Arc of the Covenant.
Was the Nauvoo Temple perfectly lined up so as to have a Holy of Holies upon the very same spot? Oh yeah... did they even remember to put one in?
I only know of 2 LDS Temples that have one, the last I checked.
If you are so inclined I have a thread going in the private discussion forum, would be interested in your thoughts.
viewtopic.php?f=31&t=47817
Re: Archaeology: City of David and Temple Mount
Posted: March 22nd, 2018, 8:04 am
by DesertWonderer2
Kingdom of ZION wrote: ↑March 21st, 2018, 11:05 pm
Button Button, whos got the Button? Oh you do... and no one else can build a Temple!
Oh Please, G_d can call whom ever He will, choose whatever people He wants, gather them to where ever He feels, and have as many houses of Prayer built unto His name as He wants! When the Gospel returned back unto Yesrael, as per 3 Nephi 16, and the First shall be last and the Last First, and the Wild Olive Branches are cut out and the Natural Branches are grafted back in (see Jacob and Hebrews).
And then you might want to read Moroni 5:19-24 real careful!
19 And behold, the Lord hath reserved their blessings, which they might have received in the land, for the Gentiles who shall possess the land.
20 But behold, it shall come to pass that they shall be driven and scattered by the Gentiles; and after they have been driven and scattered by the Gentiles, behold, then will the Lord remember the covenant which he made unto Abraham and unto all the house of Israel.
21 And also the Lord will remember the prayers of the righteous, which have been put up unto him for them.
22 And then, O ye Gentiles, how can ye stand before the power of God, except ye shall repent and turn from your evil ways?
23 Know ye not that ye are in the hands of God? Know ye not that he hath all power, and at his great command the earth shall be rolled together as a scroll?
24 Therefore, repent ye, and humble yourselves before him, lest he shall come out in justice against you—lest a remnant of the seed of Jacob shall go forth among you as a lion, and tear you in pieces, and there is none to deliver.
https://www.mormonchronicle.com/a-lion-among-sheep/
Its all done under the direction of the tribe Ephraim. God has called who He wanted to and that is those of the lineage of or thise adopted into that tribe. Go read Jacob’s patriarcal blessings that he gave his sons in Gen. for additional insight. Btw Ephrahim is a part of who JC is referencing in the versus anove so you proved my point. Is Ephraim not a remnant of Jacob? Of course they are.