Is looking at pornography on the same level as fornication as a sin?

[Fiannan]

A side-note I believe porn has made same-sex activities go mainstream. It is not the only force behind this but it is quite a powerful force.

Not just same-sex activities. The latest fad is incest, porn sites are rife with it. An associate at work informed me recently that a majority of featured videos on the big sites' front pages are portrayals between immediate family members. What used to be taboo is now titillating.

Maybe thanks to "Game of Thrones?"

[abijah]

A side-note I believe porn has made same-sex activities go mainstream. It is not the only force behind this but it is quite a powerful force.

Not just same-sex activities. The latest fad is incest, porn sites are rife with it. An associate at work informed me recently that a majority of featured videos on the big sites' front pages are portrayals between immediate family members. What used to be taboo is now titillating.

Maybe thanks to "Game of Thrones?"

Very likely so. Though I won’t deny I love the series.

[Crackers]

A side-note I believe porn has made same-sex activities go mainstream. It is not the only force behind this but it is quite a powerful force.

Not just same-sex activities. The latest fad is incest, porn sites are rife with it. An associate at work informed me recently that a majority of featured videos on the big sites' front pages are portrayals between immediate family members. What used to be taboo is now titillating.

Maybe thanks to "Game of Thrones?"

Very likely so. Though I won’t deny I love the series.

Your previous quote:

"With it being so rampant it's a good idea to have a working definition of pornography. Personally I feel not all nudity is pornography and not all pornography is nudity. If there's anything Jesus had to teach on the subject it's that what matters is where the heart is."

So what is your working definition of pornography? Do you think Game of Thrones is somehow akin to viewing Renaissance art?

May I suggest a definition as a starting point: "Printed or visual material containing the explicit description or display of sexual organs or activity, intended to stimulate sexual excitement."
https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/defin ... ornography

Here is part of CommonSenseMedia's review of Games of Thrones: "Extensive male and female nudity; sex is graphically portrayed. Adultery, prostitution, consensual incest between adults, and sexual bargaining are themes."

[braingrunt]

Well, if not all nudity is porn (and sure, it might not be), then it's certainly not the height of modesty.

[Crackers]

For sure!

[abijah]

Not just same-sex activities. The latest fad is incest, porn sites are rife with it. An associate at work informed me recently that a majority of featured videos on the big sites' front pages are portrayals between immediate family members. What used to be taboo is now titillating.

Maybe thanks to "Game of Thrones?"

Very likely so. Though I won’t deny I love the series.

Your previous quote:

"With it being so rampant it's a good idea to have a working definition of pornography. Personally I feel not all nudity is pornography and not all pornography is nudity. If there's anything Jesus had to teach on the subject it's that what matters is where the heart is."

So what is your working definition of pornography? Do you think Game of Thrones is somehow akin to viewing Renaissance art?

May I suggest a definition as a starting point: "Printed or visual material containing the explicit description or display of sexual organs or activity, intended to stimulate sexual excitement."
https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/defin ... ornography

Here is part of CommonSenseMedia's review of Games of Thrones: "Extensive male and female nudity; sex is graphically portrayed. Adultery, prostitution, consensual incest between adults, and sexual bargaining are themes."

I prefer the books. Sex and mere shock value aren’t near as blatant in the text.

And since you asked, if I had to say what makes porn pornographic doesn’t have to so much woth the subject matter as it does the heart of
the beholder. Jesus did not say he who looks upon a woman commits adultery, but he who looks upon a woman and lusts after her. I’m justifying “looking upon a woman”, but it seems helpful to point out the difference. Of course there is plenty of material that simply has no redeeming qualities, but sometimes it’s not always so black and white.

Ultimately the Spirit is the guide. I did not lose his presence reading/watching game of
thrones. I also understand that that’s entirely subjective, and you certainly have grounds to question how legitimate that is, which you’re welcome to do. Doubtless the majority would agree with you here.

[Fiannan]

I still contend that daytime TV "talk shows" are far more destructive to the morals of the nation than porn; same with many prime-time TV shows. If a person watches a program and finds themselves rooting for two characters who are not married to wind up in bed together and think, once they do, that it is a happy occasion then one needs to question what effects that is having on the adult psyche. After pondering that then think about how the message of the show is affecting the psyche of the children watching it.

[Crackers]

Maybe thanks to "Game of Thrones?"

Very likely so. Though I won’t deny I love the series.

Your previous quote:

"With it being so rampant it's a good idea to have a working definition of pornography. Personally I feel not all nudity is pornography and not all pornography is nudity. If there's anything Jesus had to teach on the subject it's that what matters is where the heart is."

So what is your working definition of pornography? Do you think Game of Thrones is somehow akin to viewing Renaissance art?

May I suggest a definition as a starting point: "Printed or visual material containing the explicit description or display of sexual organs or activity, intended to stimulate sexual excitement."
https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/defin ... ornography

Here is part of CommonSenseMedia's review of Games of Thrones: "Extensive male and female nudity; sex is graphically portrayed. Adultery, prostitution, consensual incest between adults, and sexual bargaining are themes."

I prefer the books. Sex and mere shock value aren’t near as blatant in the text.

And since you asked, if I had to say what makes porn pornographic doesn’t have to so much woth the subject matter as it does the heart of
the beholder. Jesus did not say he who looks upon a woman commits adultery, but he who looks upon a woman and lusts after her. I’m justifying “looking upon a woman”, but it seems helpful to point out the difference. Of course there is plenty of material that simply has no redeeming qualities, but sometimes it’s not always so black and white.

Ultimately the Spirit is the guide. I did not lose his presence reading/watching game of
thrones. I also understand that that’s entirely subjective, and you certainly have grounds to question how legitimate that is, which you’re welcome to do. Doubtless the majority would agree with you here.

You are very correct. I don't agree. So engaging in this pernicious sin is okay as long as one can claim to have not lost the Spirit? I absolutely don't buy it. Maybe you were able to reclaim the Spirit sometime after your participation in viewing pornography, but that is entirely different from feeling its presence while participating. But I guess since your heart was right while you were viewing the extensive nudity and graphic sex....

[MMbelieve]

I still contend that daytime TV "talk shows" are far more destructive to the morals of the nation than porn; same with many prime-time TV shows. If a person watches a program and finds themselves rooting for two characters who are not married to wind up in bed together and think, once they do, that it is a happy occasion then one needs to question what effects that is having on the adult psyche. After pondering that then think about how the message of the show is affecting the psyche of the children watching it.

I disagree that day time is worse than pornography. Not saying day time is okay though. I assume your referring to soap operas? Or shows like Oprah? Not the same as porn. You think watching pornography is less damaging but I then have to ask, have you seen porn?

It's terrible!

It's full of everything inappropriate about sexuality. If you think there is not tons of horrible brainwashing and distortions and lies surrounding pornography then your not seeing it for what it is.

[MMbelieve]

Very likely so. Though I won’t deny I love the series.

Your previous quote:

"With it being so rampant it's a good idea to have a working definition of pornography. Personally I feel not all nudity is pornography and not all pornography is nudity. If there's anything Jesus had to teach on the subject it's that what matters is where the heart is."

So what is your working definition of pornography? Do you think Game of Thrones is somehow akin to viewing Renaissance art?

May I suggest a definition as a starting point: "Printed or visual material containing the explicit description or display of sexual organs or activity, intended to stimulate sexual excitement."
https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/defin ... ornography

Here is part of CommonSenseMedia's review of Games of Thrones: "Extensive male and female nudity; sex is graphically portrayed. Adultery, prostitution, consensual incest between adults, and sexual bargaining are themes."

I prefer the books. Sex and mere shock value aren’t near as blatant in the text.

And since you asked, if I had to say what makes porn pornographic doesn’t have to so much woth the subject matter as it does the heart of
the beholder. Jesus did not say he who looks upon a woman commits adultery, but he who looks upon a woman and lusts after her. I’m justifying “looking upon a woman”, but it seems helpful to point out the difference. Of course there is plenty of material that simply has no redeeming qualities, but sometimes it’s not always so black and white.

Ultimately the Spirit is the guide. I did not lose his presence reading/watching game of
thrones. I also understand that that’s entirely subjective, and you certainly have grounds to question how legitimate that is, which you’re welcome to do. Doubtless the majority would agree with you here.

You are very correct. I don't agree. So engaging in this pernicious sin is okay as long as one can claim to have not lost the Spirit? I absolutely don't buy it. Maybe you were able to reclaim the Spirit sometime after your participation in viewing pornography, but that is entirely different from feeling its presence while participating. But I guess since your heart was right while you were viewing the extensive nudity and graphic sex....

One thing to note here is he can "feel" the spirit all he wants, the spirit is either there or not there - the spirit is the judge here not his belief in his ability to have it.

We know the spirit does not dwell in unholy places. This includes our homes, our bodies and our minds. If there is filth on the TV it certainly is not uplifting or praiseworthy or good. The spirit has likely fled that environment as it has been offended.

Game of thrones...why would the spirit hang around for that? People must really be fooling themselves.

[MMbelieve]

I've always wondered where we draw the line on porn because Heavenly Father created Adam and Eve naked and they weren't ashamed until Satan convinced them to be ashamed. And we are all born naked and after you die you are put in the funeral home and stripped naked and dressed. So you are born naked, die naked, and Adam and Eve and God were fine with being naked in the Garden. Why was He fine with it in the Garden?

Slippery slope here. Start entertaining the line between good and bad nudity and you have likely already entered Satan's territory.
Don't believe me..? You will not feel right after going down this line of thought and inquiry IF you have the spirit. And if you feel fine with it and think I'm just overreacting then thats okay but I hope you stop "wondering" sooner than later. Use the spirit to guide you and you won't need to play the Devils advocate asking such dumb questions on a public forum.

My opinion of course.

Sexual things are sacred. The body is a temple. Our brothers and sisters should be respected as ourselves. Female and male bodies are just bodies but are not something we should be dishonoring. God is greater than all and I'm 100% positive we view the garden in a way so far inferior than God does. And for all we know, the nakedness is symbolic. I doubt they were completely nude. That's just dumb. And the clothing made is not "clothing" it's garments.

[Fiannan]

I disagree that day time is worse than pornography. Not saying day time is okay though. I assume your referring to soap operas? Or shows like Oprah? Not the same as porn. You think watching pornography is less damaging but I then have to ask, have you seen porn?

It's terrible!

Well of course soap operas but all those daytime shows that are designed to tug on your heart-strings while promoting a far-left cultural Marxist agenda are far worse than porn. I do not believe porn is influencing as many women (primarily) to question traditional morality and also to incorporate ideas that question basic Constitutional principles as TV is. Porn is merely people having sex with each other. Porn is seen as a fantasy by most people, not a life-drama and certainly not a documentary on human sexuality and relationships. And most people, the vast majority who are not addicted to porn, access what the industry calls "white bread" genres, not the really bizarre stuff.

It's full of everything inappropriate about sexuality. If you think there is not tons of horrible brainwashing and distortions and lies surrounding pornography then your not seeing it for what it is.

Yes there is, but regular TV plants the seeds of it being a form of liberation to re-think morality. Porn is merely a branch of this campaign.

[MMbelieve]

Our youth are struggling in this crazy world and are being affected by nudity and porn. Give your kid a smart phone, they have seen it. Don't give your kid a smart phone, they have seen it.

And what's the example that was set for them? They likely are aware of the extensive porn problem among the adult (parents) members of this church. Most have likely been affected by it through their patents having an issue.

Do we expect our children to lead us? Because if they follow the example, they will fall into great problems and not have the strength to get out. How many father's struggle with porn? Can a father engaged in porn actually have the spirit and be leading his family? Teaching the gospel? Have an example of a healthy and strong/stable/loyal marriage?

We ask ourselves why the decline in people getting married. What if it's because they have seen how awful it can be or how much of a joke it is to their parents? If we honestly believe that the massive porn problem within our members doesn't affect the younger generation we are so incredibly blind.

Poor example
And might I add, shame on us for being so selfish and hurting the next generation and the marriage relationship. We blame the world and others so much and even the children..how about we take ownership for setting a very bad example.

Stop justifying porn
Stop blaming others
Stop accepting it in all forms
Stop hurting our spouse with our "problem"
Be loyal to our spouse in every way
Love deeply and full and become one with our spouse
Show our children what marriage should be like
Show them how great marriage can be
Show them how to honor covenants
Etc etc

[MMbelieve]

I disagree that day time is worse than pornography. Not saying day time is okay though. I assume your referring to soap operas? Or shows like Oprah? Not the same as porn. You think watching pornography is less damaging but I then have to ask, have you seen porn?

It's terrible!

Well of course soap operas but all those daytime shows that are designed to tug on your heart-strings while promoting a far-left cultural Marxist agenda are far worse than porn. I do not believe porn is influencing as many women (primarily) to question traditional morality and also to incorporate ideas that question basic Constitutional principles as TV is. Porn is merely people having sex with each other. Porn is seen as a fantasy by most people, not a life-drama and certainly not a documentary on human sexuality and relationships. And most people, the vast majority who are not addicted to porn, access what the industry calls "white bread" genres, not the really bizarre stuff.

It's full of everything inappropriate about sexuality. If you think there is not tons of horrible brainwashing and distortions and lies surrounding pornography then your not seeing it for what it is.

Yes there is, but regular TV plants the seeds of it being a form of liberation to re-think morality. Porn is merely a branch of this campaign.

I'm not sure everyone views porn as a fantasy. Maybe older intelligent people, but let's face it. The world is full of young idiots.

So TV plants a seed...porn is a branch. Okay, still porn is worse (now). Seeds can grow or not grow in an environment. A branch however, is something that has extended that one no longer can control if it grows or doesn't grow. Choice is gone once we have branches, it's just a matter of how well can we avoid it or how well can we minimize getting injured by it.

Let's deal with the branches and not argue it's the seeds fault as we excuse and let the branches do the most damage possible.

I really don't think arguing day time TV will help avoid the damage of porn is my point. Porn is already out there, ever reaching and overwhelmingly accepted.

We should be careful that porn is not spoken of in a way that we minimize the damage it can cause.

It's innapropriate to say the least. Just because it's an act between two people that's quite normal among humans and basically the whole world now sees no issue watching it doesn't mean it's okay. The whole world accepting it like it's a-okay stuff, I bet the majority still wouldn't watch their parents do it. Why?

It's a sickness really. Sexual sickness that has swept the land causing tons of problems.

[simpleton]

Can a father engaged in porn actually have the spirit and be leading his family? Teaching the gospel? Have an example of a healthy and strong/stable/loyal marriage?

As a father I say absolutely not. As "the natural man is an enemy to God". And men are "carnal sensual and devilish" and porn brings about the spirit of lust and adultery which absolutely drives away the spirit of God. I do not care how much "Jesus loves us", if we engage in those demonic habits the Spirit of God cannot and will not abide period. Notice though how society wants to mix it all up into one big happy melting pot of the new "Jesus loves everybody" and that it mattereth not what a person does. Or "so we sin a little, God will beat us with a few stripes and In the end we'll all be saved"....
And so Satan whispereth in our ears and "carefully" leadeth us down to hell...
God cannot look upon sin with the least degree of allowance.
And neither should we.

[Fiannan]

We ask ourselves why the decline in people getting married. What if it's because they have seen how awful it can be or how much of a joke it is to their parents? If we honestly believe that the massive porn problem within our members doesn't affect the younger generation we are so incredibly blind.

Nobody here is suggesting that porn is wonderful and that a gal might consider paying her college tuition by doing porn on the weekends. I believe what bugs many people in this forum and in many other places that have LDS posting comments on issues is that porn is not what is causing so much marital breakups; in fact outside of LDS circles porn is very rarely cited as a reason for a divorce taking place. However, porn is an easier target than to really deal with the issues that are leading to a breaking apart of the sexes both inside and outside the Church. It is like blaming cupcakes for the nation's obesity epidemic and holding anti-cupcake seminars to tackle bad health associated with obesity. Sure, cupcakes may be a factor in some people's problem but some with problems never eat cupcakes and some very healthy people eat cupcakes regularly. So just as one must deal with obesity in a comprehensive manner one must deal with marital problems in a better way than just blaming porn.

[MMbelieve]

We ask ourselves why the decline in people getting married. What if it's because they have seen how awful it can be or how much of a joke it is to their parents? If we honestly believe that the massive porn problem within our members doesn't affect the younger generation we are so incredibly blind.

Nobody here is suggesting that porn is wonderful and that a gal might consider paying her college tuition by doing porn on the weekends. I believe what bugs many people in this forum and in many other places that have LDS posting comments on issues is that porn is not what is causing so much marital breakups; in fact outside of LDS circles porn is very rarely cited as a reason for a divorce taking place. However, porn is an easier target than to really deal with the issues that are leading to a breaking apart of the sexes both inside and outside the Church. It is like blaming cupcakes for the nation's obesity epidemic and holding anti-cupcake seminars to tackle bad health associated with obesity. Sure, cupcakes may be a factor in some people's problem but some with problems never eat cupcakes and some very healthy people eat cupcakes regularly. So just as one must deal with obesity in a comprehensive manner one must deal with marital problems in a better way than just blaming porn.

Porn is a symptom yes. However, I believe that many people are unaware of this. It takes a fair amount of insight to recognize and I'm afraid many just go through life with blinders on, minimum insight.

Porn to many is the center or the problem because of minimal insight as to the greater issues at play. BUT...Porn is a big enough presence that I believe it can create a problem all by itself for a decent length of time until the individual can learn to recognize (after the damage has occured) the gravity of his or her stupidity for using such a degrading and damaging method to self soothe.

With the cupcake example: a super unhappy person uses baked goods with the favorite choice being cupcakes to soothe their selves on some emotional level. One day after having every bad health consequence occure being purely miserable (more so than the emotions that lead to the issue in the first place) they will realize the gravity of their years and years of eating those evil cupcakes. They will likely develope a distian for sweets and rightly so, they need to "hate" something to fuel their recovery. It makes sense.

Porn placed on the counter vs a cupcake placed on the counter. Porn is offensive because it carries a spirit with it, cupcakes do not. A cupcake can be offensive because of how it makes someone feel inside based on personal relationships with it. Hope that makes sense. Porn can have the same response, an emotional distain or pleasure for it, BUT it carries an evil and very strong and pervasive spirit with it. This is the difference. If one is close to the spirit or has the ability to TRULY discern, they will be offended because of the spirit carried, not because they have an objection to the human body or are a prude or feel bad about themselves.

[Elizabeth]

https://www.lds.org/manual/jesus-the-ch ... 7?lang=eng


" • Pleasure Versus Happiness.—
“The present is an age of pleasure-seeking, and men are losing their sanity in the mad rush for sensations that do but excite and disappoint. In this day of counterfeits, adulterations, and base imitations, the devil is busier than he has ever been in the course of human history, in the manufacture of pleasures, both old and new; and these he offers for sale in most attractive fashion, falsely labeled, Happiness. In this soul-destroying craft he is without a peer; he has had centuries of experience and practice, and by his skill he controls the market. He has learned the tricks of the trade, and knows well how to catch the eye and arouse the desire of his customers. He puts up the stuff in bright-colored packages, tied with tinsel string and tassel; and crowds flock to his bargain counters, hustling and crushing one another in their frenzy to buy.

“Follow one of the purchasers as he goes off gloatingly with his gaudy packet, and watch him as he opens it. What finds he inside the gilded wrapping? He has expected fragrant happiness, but uncovers only an inferior brand of pleasure, the stench of which is nauseating.

“Happiness includes all that is really desirable and of true worth in pleasure, and much besides. Happiness is genuine gold, pleasure but guilded brass, which corrodes in the hand, and is soon converted into poisonous verdigris. Happiness is as the genuine diamond, which, rough or polished, shines with its own inimitable luster; pleasure is as the paste imitation that glows only when artificially embellished. Happiness is as the ruby, red as the heart’s blood, hard and enduring; pleasure, as stained glass, soft, brittle, and of but transitory beauty.

“Happiness is true food, wholesome, nutritious and sweet; it builds up the body and generates energy for action, physical, mental and spiritual; pleasure is but a deceiving stimulant which, like spiritous drink, makes one think he is strong when in reality enfeebled; makes him fancy he is well when in fact stricken with deadly malady.

“Happiness leaves no bad after-taste, it is followed by no depressing reaction; it calls for no repentance, brings no regret, entails no remorse; pleasure too often makes necessary repentance, contrition, and suffering; and, if indulged to the extreme, it brings degradation and destruction.

“True happiness is lived over and over again in memory, always with a renewal of the original good; a moment of unholy pleasure may leave a barbed sting, which, like a thorn in the flesh, is an ever-present source of anguish.

“Happiness is not akin with levity, nor is it one with light-minded mirth. It springs from the deeper fountains of the soul, and is not infrequently accompanied by tears. Have you never been so happy that you have had to weep? I have.”
—From an article by James E. Talmage, Improvement Era, vol. 17, no. 2, pp. 172, 173."

[djinwa]

Let's be clear.

The war against porn is not about eliminating sin. It is not about helping the sinner to be happy. It is not about protecting the family or avoiding damage.

If we really cared about sinners or families, we would attack all sins and take measures against all actions that damage the family or individuals.

But we don't.

As I've mentioned many times, women I know have blown up their families because of lust for material things. They are not called to repentance or shamed or disciplined for their sin.

This is why Jesus railed against the hypocrites. Did the scribes and Pharisees really care about the adulteress? Did they really want to stop the sinning.? No, they had other selfish motives. Jesus knew they really didn't care. They were mostly interested in making her look bad to make themselves look good. Self-promotion. Which gave them power.

And that is the core of the war on porn. It is about power over men. It intentionally targets a weakness of men, while ignoring weaknesses of women.

One way many gain power is by exercising monopoly control over their man's sexuality. If the wife is the sole outlet for sex, then she can make demands in exchange for it. And she can offer sex less. More money or work from the guy for less sex is a great deal for her.

God wired men to look at women sexually. He gave them testosterone. Then we tell men how dirty they are. They are not to look at women, or ever have a sexual urge, and are not to masturbate, and if their wife doesn't want sex, he won't get it. There is no requirement for the wife to offer it. No shame for denying sex. If he needs to be asexual, so be it.

So yes, let's not pretend we care about men as sinners, or about the well-being of men.

How little most women care about their man was illustrated one day when I was driving home and my son called from Afghanistan. It was his third deployment and he said he was tired of it and wanted to leave the military. I also wanted him out, as our actions there were useless, and though he was an Air Force mechanic, somehow he was being used as a gunner on convoys, with little training.

Anyway, he said the only problem was his wife wanted him to stay in the military. I asked if she knew that he could be killed, and he said, yeah, but she says I make too good of money on deployments. I couldn't believe it!

My sister (stake RS pres) happened to be riding with me, and listening. She supported his wife, and said that "women just need to feel secure." Huh? What about the security of my boy?

Doesn't matter. He just needs to man up!

His wife has a nice car and house and regularly goes to spas, and nail salons, vacations, etc. That is the security she needs.

And that is why she needs to maintain control over my son. Which includes his sexuality. If he dies, so what - she can get a different guy. Their baby doesn't actually need his dad.

My wife once threatened divorce when I was having career and money problems. Apparently she didn't think my kids needed me.

And that is how the church sees it. Families can be busted up over lust for money, but we have to keep the focus on PORN, PORN, PORN, PORN, PORN, PORN, PORN!!!!!!

Which is why Jesus would likely see this war on porn for what it really is, just as he saw the scribes' and Pharisees' true motives.

Now I'll let you get back to your discussion of porn.......

Matthew 7:3-5
3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?

5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother’s eye.

[Fiannan]

This is why Jesus railed against the hypocrites. Did the scribes and Pharisees really care about the adulteress? Did they really want to stop the sinning.? No, they had other selfish motives. Jesus knew they really didn't care. They were mostly interested in making her look bad to make themselves look good. Self-promotion. Which gave them power.

And that is the core of the war on porn. It is about power over men. It intentionally targets a weakness of men, while ignoring weaknesses of women.

You may very well have a point there. I do not believe this explains everything about the hysteria, but it certainly is part of it.

I wonder, how many articles have appeared in recent years dealing with the horrors of abortion? I cannot recall any. Yet if we believe abortion is shedding innocent blood then why not more about this? Could it be that abortion involves women and their sexual choices and outcomes of those choices and that is why we are fairly silent on this issue? I will bet there are LDS teens who get abortions who have no idea the Church stance on abortion. So who will stand in judgement, the young woman or our leaders?

Again, porn is not a good thing (gotta repeat that since there are those who think if you question the hysteria you must be a secret porn addict who spends untold amounts of money on porn subscriptions, and all your spare time looking at the stuff). Yet the people most affected negatively by porn are those who have had it drilled in their heads how awful it is. Look up the BYU study I have cited before dealing with the issue, and then read this article and its suggestions: https://www.deseretnews.com/article/900 ... raphy.html I seriously cannot fathom taking the advice this woman is giving.

[Fiannan]

Anyone ever hear of John Stanard?

Stanard, who is married and touted his conservative credentials as a GOP lawmaker who supported family values and traditional marriage, had previously voted for anti-pornography and anti-prostitution legislation.

http://fox13now.com/2018/02/08/tabloid- ... cited-sex/

[Eulate]

Probably not, but it's pretty bad & bad enough.

[David13]

I still contend that daytime TV "talk shows" are far more destructive to the morals of the nation than porn; same with many prime-time TV shows. If a person watches a program and finds themselves rooting for two characters who are not married to wind up in bed together and think, once they do, that it is a happy occasion then one needs to question what effects that is having on the adult psyche. After pondering that then think about how the message of the show is affecting the psyche of the children watching it.

I disagree that day time is worse than pornography. Not saying day time is okay though. I assume your referring to soap operas? Or shows like Oprah? Not the same as porn. You think watching pornography is less damaging but I then have to ask, have you seen porn?

It's terrible!

It's full of everything inappropriate about sexuality. If you think there is not tons of horrible brainwashing and distortions and lies surrounding pornography then your not seeing it for what it is.

I don't watch tv, but I have been informed that Oprah (the show) has been one of the big factors in making adult material mainstream. That she has had the actors on, and showed clips of their material, and presented all in a favorable light, which was accepted by the audience.

And I can see that happening, as she has been so successful, even with 'mainstream America'.
dc