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Seek the Truth wrote: ↑March 14th, 2018, 12:35 am Is this supposed to be an authoritative perfect set of scriptures?

inquirringmind wrote: ↑March 14th, 2018, 12:27 am And what do you guys think of this?

Dear Everyone:

We are fast approaching the end of our goal to publish a new set of scriptures. At this point it seems very likely that the scriptures will be published before we are all in agreement regarding the assignment given to the assembly to produce and agree on a Guide and Standard.For a year or so the scriptures committee has had the view that a single document would need to be mutually agreed upon and then published in the scriptures. With each rendition of the G&S, the lack of mutual agreement has kept us from feeling at liberty to publish them in the scriptures. Our initial, direct responsibility for a replacement for D&C Section 20 shaped our perspective and it has taken us this long to relinquish that view. We apologize that it took us so long. Looking back, this should have happened when the assembly determined that any G&S had to be put through a submissions process and approved by them. Though belatedly, we wish to entirely off-load every and all responsibility for the G&S to the assembly - where it rightly belongs.

We now have a new view on the Lord's requirements that allows us to finally step aside. The Lord's words are, When you have an agreed statement of principles I require it to also be added as a guide and standard for my people to follow. A statement of principles could be added in many ways:
handwritten in the blank notes section of the forthcoming scriptures.
typed on a sticky note and added.
glued in or just stuck in like a bookmark.
posted as a PDF for download, trimming and inserting in our scriptures.
We also choose to no longer limit our previously myopic view of the Lord’s requirement and to include this view of what it might mean to “add.” Up to now, the idea of being required to "publish" a G&S has kept this committee bound to the process.

This more expanded view has many practical advantages:
It eliminates the argument that anyone is writing scripture, since the statement can be added as an insert just like seminary notes.
It eliminates the tension for those who feel the scripture committee is ignoring the voice of the people and exercising control.
It does not limit in any way those who seek 100% unanimity around any single document.
It provides an opportunity for every individual to demonstrate personal accountability for the adoption of a mutually agreed upon G&S when they add it on their own to their scriptures.
If, as a people, through prayer and humility, we ever arrive at the point where everyone wants to reprint the scriptures with a G&S as a permanent addendum, that could still be done.
With regards to the current discussions of how to resolve the G&S situation, there are several unique proposals currently advanced. The responsibility to execute these proposals can’t be transferred to the scriptures committee. Anyone making a proposal must either execute it, getting others involved, or it will fizzle. Nor do we have any reason to choose one over another. We have posted the proposals and let go at that moment of any involvement. If others are advanced, we will simply post them. That's pretty much all we can or will do.

So far, we have only seen one of the proposals to resolve the G&S situation take any steps beyond posting an explanation. It rests with all those proposing different resolutions to coordinate efforts among themselves. This committee has no desire to act as referee, arbiter or event planner.

On February 9th a vote was proposed which showed potential to bring resolution to the G&S dilemma, and on March 3rd the committee agreed to publish whichever statement garnered the most support in that vote. However, we have had second thoughts. We now believe that the best course of action is, as we have said, to divest ourselves entirely of any involvement in the selection or publishing of a G&S. We apologize to any who have been inconvenienced by our ambivalence. We understand that although the vote may not go forward as originally planned, the group making the proposal for that vote will make one more effort in Phoenix to see if the conference can agree upon a G&S.

The scripture committee

The scripture committee at 7:30 PM

AnonymousMarch 13, 2018 at 10:58 PM
This is absolutely ridiculous. I have several deep concerns and questions about this.

If the criteria to “add” something to the scriptures does not include printing and publication along with the entirety of the volume, why print and publish anything at all? We could all just print off what portions we like and discard what we don't like and hope that those who know nothing as of yet of the Lord’s work now underway are lucky enough to stumble upon some covenant holder’s set of scriptures that happened to have the G&S glued into it somewhere….because it won’t be found in connection with the online version either.

How can the scripture committee state that they are “off-loading the responsibility for the G&S to the people where it rightly belongs” while simultaneously deciding for the people what their new RE scriptures will contain? And that too without their consent?

Will the assembly be given the opportunity to accept as binding this new burst of intelligence that has been visited upon the scripture committee? Will they be given the alternative of keeping with the original plan of having the G&S included online and printed somewhere in the RE or is this now just a done deal?

Why does the scripture committee seem to value and accept the will of the people in some cases (such as voting which sections to keep or remove) but not others?

It seems the only thing this will do is absolve the scripture committee of the one responsibility they do have a right to claim and that is to honor the will of the people with respect to the scriptures when we were asked to labor with them as equals.

Am I the only one seeing what is going on here????????? I feel like I’m in the freaking Twilight Zone!!!!

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AI2.0 wrote: ↑March 14th, 2018, 10:14 am

inquirringmind wrote: ↑March 14th, 2018, 12:27 am It's pretty amazing that there's anyone left in this Remnant movement. They started out as a loose, small segment of supposedly devout LDS members who read a book by another LDS member. In reading his book, they started to feel that their church had gone off the rails--it was being run by men, and the inspiration which Joseph Smith had started it with, had been lost over the decades. The doctrines Denver Snuffer was emphasizing was to move away from the group--the organization and get back to a one on one relationship with God, no 'arms of flesh' to get in the way. But, look what they've devolved to--a group--an organization which is completely flustered and flumoxed on how to complete a project--as a group.

How did they get here? I don't know, but it seems the first mistake that led them down this rabbit hole they made, was following Denver Snuffer's requirements back in his last lecture, when he started telling his listeners that HE had wrested some keys from the LDS church leadership and that God would 'curse' those who didn't recognize that Snuffer now spoke for God. Then he started 'speaking' for God, telling the people to have get-togethers in their homes, to change the normal Sacrament ordinance, change the baptismal ordinance, add some non-scriptural and totally out of the blue suggestion that seven women needed to 'sustain' a man before he could exercise priesthood, stop paying one tenth of their income in tithing to the Bishop, but give whatever they felt like to the fellowship--if they wanted to. It was this fateful step that turned them from individuals into a group. Sorry, but refusing to call yourself a 'church' doesn't prevent you from becoming one. Remnant is a church, with their practices, their own prophet (though he picks and chooses when he wants to take the lead), their own scriptures, doctrines, meetings etc.

Those who followed his counsel ended up breaking covenants they'd made as members of the LDS church and some even ended up excommunicated or resigning. And for what? So Denver Snuffer could get his revenge on the church by taking along with him those who believed in his cause.

As I've watched unfolding of events, I see that Denver Snuffer is just stringing them along in his fantasy that he's the Davidic Servant and is going to usher in Zion. Not at this rate he isn't. And, frankly, if you look at his earlier books and writings, he never intended to ever do this--to start a movement. I'm amazed that he's still got anyone following him.

He can't sustain this because so far, he refuses to step up and take control, instead fobbing the responsibility on to the 'people'--and you see how well that's working out. I really wonder if the members of the Remnant remember why they joined these fellowships. I thought it was because they felt the LDS church was not inspired, that it had insinuated itself between them and God, because it was too 'corporate' and 'committee' driven. Well, this whole Guide and Scriptures fiasco is proving that Remnant members went from the proverbial frying pan into the fire. How are these committees and groups of Remnant members who've been given responsibility, not simply the dreaded 'arm of flesh'--in Remnant form? I sure hope that some of the more thoughtful ones among them will wake up and face reality. They are in a break off sect that's no more inspired than any other religious organization which came about through reform or protest.

You're so dead on! I believe so many people still, to this day, misunderstand who is the Remnant. In this video, a person by the name of Ben McCrea said this:

IN THIS VIDEO - "You’ve explained the remnant perfectly. The true believers ‘remain’ true within the authorised Church where they have access to the ordinances and the Temple. It makes no difference what any other member of the Church believes or does. If you look at the history of the restored Church, there have been leaders who have been very strong, very inspired and others who have not been so strong. Nevertheless, the Church rolls on and the authority and power are retained and passed on down the line."