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It is a struggle for me to understand how so many people can be fooled by the Muslim religion, in particular, those who have some understanding of the Bible and who also know that the Koran calls the Bible the word of Allah. Then, the Muslim interpretationists dissect the Bible, dispute the word that is in the Bible and try to make the Bible appear as though it supports the doctrines of Islam - which it clearly does not.
Maybe this ain't worth discussing, but I would like to hear any input on this in case I may be missing something.

I'm not gonna comment on that. But, I kind of wonder if part of the Koran is a good thing. For instance: Surah Al 'Imran 3: He sent down to you the Book with the Truth, confirming what came before it; and He sent down the Torah and the Gospel.
Then again there is always the capacity to mix truth with lies. Or try to.

CelestialAngel wrote: ↑February 26th, 2018, 7:56 pm There's too much violence geared towards women and good people who did no harm.

That does appear to be certain. If only they had listened to the Bab.

Craig Johnson wrote: ↑February 26th, 2018, 2:11 pm I'm not gonna comment on that. But, I kind of wonder if part of the Koran is a good thing. For instance: Surah Al 'Imran 3: He sent down to you the Book with the Truth, confirming what came before it; and He sent down the Torah and the Gospel.
Then again there is always the capacity to mix truth with lies. Or try to.

There are good teachings within the Koran, but Satan has a routine of giving a bunch of truth and a couple of lies. And the Koran contains a lot of lies, not to mention the wicked doctrines such as allowing a man to have as many female slaves as he wants and to enjoy sexual relations with those slaves as he desires. At one time Muhammad decided to take a slave to his bedroom, and this offended his nine wives. He claimed that Allah spoke to him, telling him to threaten to divorce his wives if they don't let him bone any slave he wants. Sexual slavery is still permitted and practiced in Islam.

Sura 4:34 discusses disobedient wives, teaching that the man: "admonish them (first), (next), refuse to share their beds, (and last) beat them..."

The more I learn of the religion of peace, particularly the rewards for unprovoked and premeditated murder of infidels, the more obvious it is that Islam is a work of the devil.

"The French government on Friday unveiled new policies aimed to reduce the spread of radical Islam in schools and prisons.

Schoolteachers will be taught how to identify radicalized students, and private schools at risk of widespread radicalism will be closed.

The government will immediately open 450 high-security areas within the nation's prisons in which to hold radicalized inmates, says French Prime Minister Édouard Philippe.

The Details

France, which has suffered an unprecedented number of terror attacks during the past three years, is now facing the prospect of hundreds of thousands of nationals returning from defeated ISIS strongholds in Syria and Iraq.

"Islamic State is losing ground every day in Syria and Iraq thanks to the international coalition and our army," says Philippe. "But the internal threat on our territory and our border remains."

Some areas of France have already been taken over by Sharia Law.

Take the Paris suburb of Trappes, for example, which has more than 1,500 prayer rooms and five mosques. "You couldn't really consider Trappes as a traditional French town anymore. It's a little bit like a state within a state," says Dr. Leslie Shaw, President of the Forum on Islamic Radicalization and Management.

According to surveys of French Muslim high school students conducted by the National Center for Scientific Research in 2016,

R72% reject science when it is in conflict with Islamic doctrine

68% believe Islamic law is superior to secular law

R36% are opposed to gender equality

33% support violence and social deviance

23% believe their teachers say things that are false

"It's only a matter of time before we have another attack," adds Shaw. "The basic problem is the ideology that's driving this. And this goes much deeper than terrorist cells, [or] planning and executing attacks."

How many Catholics in Latin America, carefully analyze the dominate religion of their country or village? For that matter, How many Mormons in Utah would be Mormon if they had not been born into that culture?

I know that I am thankful that I was born into a Mormon family, because I have little confidence that had I been born into another culture, I would have had the clarity of spirit to recognize the truth of this religion, had I had to wait for and learn from missionaries.

Unfortunately for Muslims, culture, bad or good is a dominant force, in peoples lives. Islam offers giant carrots and sticks to get people to follow and believe. For men, their is the carrot, of ultimate power over women and infidels. For women, there is the stick of fear of pain and death should you defy the power of men. It will take even a greater clarity and courage to overcome either the carrot of power and glory, or the stick of fear from Islam.

Regards,

George Clay

CelestialAngel wrote: ↑February 26th, 2018, 2:04 pm False priests who oppress. Someone somewhere in an important mormon setting said this.

They did.
Prior to 1990 they said "Popes and Priests".

Culture Shock: Italians Aghast as Immigrants Barbecue Dog at Welcome Center

16 Feb 2018



"Animal rights activists are up in arms over attempts to barbecue a dog at an immigrant welcome center in southern Italy, with migrants insisting the practice is normal where they come from.

Members of the Carabinieri, an Italian military police force, intervened immediately after receiving a call from an employee of the center who had witnessed the scene of a 29-year-old Nigerian man intent on roasting a dog at the center in Vibo Valentia, in the Italian region of Calabria.

The man had succeeded in skinning and chopping up the canine and was in the process of grilling it for himself and some friends when he was stopped by law enforcement officers. The young woman who called the police also volunteers at a pro-animal organization in the area.

Explaining to police that such a practice is “normal where we come from,” the migrant insisted that he didn’t kill the dog but had found it dead by the side of the road and had decided to grill it. He also pleaded ignorance of Italian laws forbidding eating cats and dogs.

Police transferred the migrant to a different welcome center, located in the former Hotel Miragolfo in the nearby town of Nicotera.

Among countries of origin, Nigeria accounts for the largest single group of migrants entering Italy at present, with nearly twice as many (15.7 percent) Nigerians entering Italy during 2017 as those from Guinea, the second largest immigrant group by country of provenance (8.4 percent).

In Vancouver British Columbia, where immigrants are congregated, community park workers find cooked cat and dog heads on the public grills in picnic areas."
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We are revulsed by people eating domestic animals such as dogs, cats and horses. However, there are many communities around the world that engage in this practice and not all of them are Muslim. We probably need to remember that animals were given to us to have dominion over and to use, to some extent, as food. I do know that a hungry American will eat just about anything when they get to that certain point of hunger, I would not judge people due to this practice but they also need to know, in our country, what is against the law.

When members of the Church view muslims, it is one group of people highly-steeped in modern western culture examining a group of easterners, on the other side of the spectrum. It’s often a shock of culture, their alien sort pf social structure compared to our modern western conventions. In some ways ours may be superior. We tend to put a high vaue on education and industry for example. Muslims on the other hand are much more family-centered than westerners tend to be. They respect gender and family roles, women are women and aspire to be good mothers/wives. Fathers tend to take their role as a man as well as father/ husband serious as well. They value children much more than europeans/americans.

While a lot of people struggle culturally when considering muslims, there is also the religious factor of course. What mormons need to understand is Allah = Jehovah. They worship the God of Abraham. Maybe some church members should view these perhaps more as mis-directed brothers and sisters who do not have a correct knowledge of their heavenly Father.

Many muslims (and many won’t, but that’s a different topic...) will convert and come to know the true Allah in the last days. This will come by hand of the Jews, after they themselves have been restored to the true knowledge of Jehovah. After millenia of violence and bitterness, the enmity between Jacob and Esau, between Isaac and Ishmael will be healed. Here’s what the prophet has to say, speaking on behalf of these other sons of Abraham...

Zechariah 8:35: Thus saith the Lord of hosts; In those days it shall come to pass, that ten men shall take hold out of all languages of the nations, even shall take hold of the skirt of him that is a Jew, saying, We will go with you: for we have heard that God is with you.

For all their theological follies, muslims sure have conviction bless them. That spiritual gift will follow them as they come to know their true God. And culturally speaking, I think there is a lot right that they’re doing that we in the West are not - in God’s eyes that is.

The Muslim "Allah" is Lucifer.

Allah translated in hebrew is El, Eloa, Elohim. It denotes the Person of God.

I love this:
https://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/muslimfaith.asp
Excuses, excuses.

Craig Johnson wrote: ↑February 26th, 2018, 11:40 am It is a struggle for me to understand how so many people can be fooled by the Muslim religion, in particular, those who have some understanding of the Bible and who also know that the Koran calls the Bible the word of Allah. Then, the Muslim interpretationists dissect the Bible, dispute the word that is in the Bible and try to make the Bible appear as though it supports the doctrines of Islam - which it clearly does not.
Maybe this ain't worth discussing, but I would like to hear any input on this in case I may be missing something.

It's a puzzle to me how old friends, people that I knew and hung out and worked with, are now so captivated by the lies and heroes of the left. Point being, people amaze me now regarding how they can be entrained by this or that; how they don't challenge what they already believe in or have been propagandized about. How most people believe the official story of 9/11 is one of these areas.

Most Muslims are born into their religion and culture. It is the same for many Jews and Mormons. Tradition is a hard thing to undo especially when there is exposure to very little else, an example being the generations born in Utah just after the pioneers settled the Salt Lake Valley. Mormons, Muslims and Jews are some of the most devout people in the world. In another topic, which I have shared videos about Muslims converting to Jesus Christ, we can see just how devoted to their faith they are. They are diligent in practice. Their manner of praying and fasting and devotion to their studies is admirable. Yes, some are violent because of their indoctrination, but converted Muslims make some of the most earnest and committed disciples of Jesus Christ that I have ever seen.

Utah: Muslim student leaves explosive backpack at high school, posts Islamic State propaganda


“Student who left explosives had posted ISIS propaganda, police say,” by Pat Reavy, KSL, March 6, 2018 (thanks to Reed):
ST. GEORGE — St. George police continued Tuesday to investigate why a student allegedly left a backpack with explosive materials in a high school and has been posting ISIS propaganda.
The student, whose name and age were not released Tuesday, was arrested Monday after a backpack with explosives was found in the commons area of Pine View High School, the area where students eat lunch.
Alert students spotted the backpack was “smoking” and immediately contacted school administrators and the school resource officer, according to police.
“From that initial investigation, it was determined that a homemade explosive device was inside the backpack,” according to a prepared statement Tuesday from police. “After examining the device, bomb squad members indicted that if it had detonated, the device had the potential to cause significant injury or death.”
The school was evacuated while local and federal officials investigated. A male student who attends a class at Pine View was identified as the suspect.
“A warrant was served on the residence of that juvenile and items were located that were consistent with the materials used to build the device placed at Pine View. Based on our investigation we can confirm this was a failed attempt to detonate a homemade explosive at the school,” police wrote.
“It was also determined that the male had been researching information and expressing interest in ISIS and promoting the organization.”
Police believe the same teen is responsible for graffiti spray-painted on a wall at Hurricane High School that stated, “ISIS is comi–” and for replacing the high school’s flag with an ISIS flag in February….
According to the Washington County School District, the student was only taking one class at the high school because he was part of the Success Academy, a partnership with Dixie State University that allows students to enroll concurrently for high school and college classes. The program is typically for accelerated learning students, according to the district….
St. George police on Tuesday praised the students who immediately reported the backpack that had smoke coming from it, as well as the Washington County School District for previously practicing evacuations, leading to “a quick and seamless evacuation” of Pine View High on Monday."

It seems we are too terrified to discuss culture in all of this. It is truly terrifying.

Some people here need to look up the word dhimmi really quick.

Elizabeth wrote: ↑February 28th, 2018, 12:23 pm The Muslim "Allah" is Lucifer.

The Arabic translation of the Book of Mormon renders the word God as Allah.

Seek the Truth wrote: ↑March 7th, 2018, 3:59 am It seems we are too terrified to discuss culture in all of this. It is truly terrifying.

I would welcome that.

Seek the Truth wrote: ↑March 7th, 2018, 4:05 am Some people here need to look up the word dhimmi really quick.

People of the book.