Or perhaps 100% of people don't know this is a/the telestial kingdom/world until revealed. Just because it hasn't been revealed to you yet, doesn't mean it isn't.inho wrote: ↑January 25th, 2018, 2:09 pmI disagree with your interpretation. I admit that we sometimes use the adjective telestial, when we refer to this world (as Holland did), but this world is not the telestial kingdom. Let me quote the same passage again, this time I include the next verse too:HappyCamper8 wrote: ↑January 25th, 2018, 2:00 pmNot true according to Elder Holland in general conference last October.inho wrote: ↑January 25th, 2018, 1:58 pm HappyCamper8, let's see if I understand your reasoning correctly:
You are saying that since we now live in a telestial world and can later get into terrestrial or celestial kingdom, this implies that one can progress from telestial kingdom to a higher kingdom.
I think the problem is that even though we call this world where we live during our mortal probation telestial, it is not the Telestial kingdom. The Telestial kingdom is something much better than this mortal world:D&C 76:89 And thus we saw, in the heavenly vision, the glory of the telestial, which surpasses all understanding;
"We are in the telestial kingdom;"
Direct quote.Does this sound like a reference to this world? If we live in the telestial kingdom, then all men know it.89 And thus we saw, in the heavenly vision, the glory of the telestial, which surpasses all understanding;
90 And no man knows it except him to whom God has revealed it.
And it does surpass all understanding, just thinking of creation, sustaining of life, and the science behind it all - surpasses all of our understandings.