LDS Freedom Forum

SecondRateMind wrote: ↑May 20th, 2020, 4:58 am

Spence wrote: ↑November 10th, 2008, 2:23 pm Maybe this coming depression will help the saints turn back to the values which founded this nation. Maybe there will be a French Revolution scenario. Maybe we will have a prophet speak out about the Fed and the Secret Combinations that exist and maybe then we will rise up as one and declare a Revolution and restore our government to what it was when George Washington was in office.

I don't see much hope for America unless the Prophet stands up and enlightens the minds of all who listen like that good preacher did for his congregation in the video that Col Flagg posted.

If the whole of Utah state becomes united in the cause of restoring the Constitution I think it would pass over this country like a wake and we could string up the Rockefeller family by their ears.

I think today's civilisations are a good deal more complex than was the case for George Washington. And I hate simplistic answers to complex questions. My advice is to embrace that complexity, revel in it, and see it as a sign of God's omniscience.

Best wishes, 2RM.

nightlight wrote: ↑May 20th, 2020, 6:31 am

SecondRateMind wrote: ↑May 20th, 2020, 4:58 am

Spence wrote: ↑November 10th, 2008, 2:23 pm Maybe this coming depression will help the saints turn back to the values which founded this nation. Maybe there will be a French Revolution scenario. Maybe we will have a prophet speak out about the Fed and the Secret Combinations that exist and maybe then we will rise up as one and declare a Revolution and restore our government to what it was when George Washington was in office.

I don't see much hope for America unless the Prophet stands up and enlightens the minds of all who listen like that good preacher did for his congregation in the video that Col Flagg posted.

If the whole of Utah state becomes united in the cause of restoring the Constitution I think it would pass over this country like a wake and we could string up the Rockefeller family by their ears.

I think today's civilisations are a good deal more complex than was the case for George Washington. And I hate simplistic answers to complex questions. My advice is to embrace that complexity, revel in it, and see it as a sign of God's omniscience.

Best wishes, 2RM.

Its not more complex. It may seem that way to us, but to God ...its the same as it was before the railroad or plane(imo)

77 According to the laws and constitution of the people, which I have suffered to be established, and should be maintained for the rights and protection of all flesh, according to just and holy principles;

80 And for this purpose have I established the Constitution of this land, by the hands of wise men whom I raised up unto this very purpose, and redeemed the land by the shedding of blood.

"Even this nation will be on the very verge of crumbling to pieces and tumbling to the ground; and when the Constitution is upon the brink of ruin, this people will be the staff upon which the nation shall lean; and they shall bear the constitution away from the very verge of destruction.” (Dean C. Jessee, "The Historian's Corner" BYU Studies Vol. 19, No. 3, Spring 1979, p. 392)

Darren wrote: ↑May 27th, 2020, 4:06 am

77 According to the laws and constitution of the people, which I have suffered to be established, and should be maintained for the rights and protection of all flesh, according to just and holy principles;

80 And for this purpose have I established the Constitution of this land, by the hands of wise men whom I raised up unto this very purpose, and redeemed the land by the shedding of blood.

"Even this nation will be on the very verge of crumbling to pieces and tumbling to the ground; and when the Constitution is upon the brink of ruin, this people will be the staff upon which the nation shall lean; and they shall bear the constitution away from the very verge of destruction.” (Dean C. Jessee, "The Historian's Corner" BYU Studies Vol. 19, No. 3, Spring 1979, p. 392)

The key to understanding the scripture and the quote above is the different spellings of the words,

(Large C) “Constitution”
and
(small c) “constitution”

The word “Constitution” is the one that will fall as part of the end of all nations, it is the one that is called The United States Constitution.

The word “constitution” is the gospel of Jesus Christ as operated by Ancient Anglo Law, and as Moses set it up for the children of Israel. The “constitution” is the basis for the “Constitution.”

In the millennium we will be working together by the constitution of the people, the gospel of Jesus Christ, and we will be “Restoring their judges and all as at first;” (Hymn #2.) The politicians, policies and these principles of orthodoxy of the Great and Abominable Church will be gone forever.

The Elders will save the constitution of the people by knowing the culture of their ancestors who live by it, thousands of years ago.

God Bless,
Darren

lundbaek wrote: ↑November 10th, 2008, 11:37 am "We are fast approaching that moment prophesied by Joseph Smith when he said: "Even this nation will be on the very verge of crumbling to pieces and tumbling to the ground, and when the Constitution is upon the brink of ruin, this people will be the staff upon which the nation shall lean, and they shall bear the Constitution away from the very verge of destruction." (July 19, 1840, Joseph Smith Collection, LDS Church Historical Department.) (CHB 27-28; revised in TETB 623-24)"

Any thoughts on how "this people" "shall bear the Constitution away from the very verge of destruction" any time soon?

I don't don't see that a people who largely keep returning Constitution shredders to Congress and who championed a candidate for president who has promoted unconstitutional principles are ever going to "bear the Constitution away from the very verge of destruction". At present I can only envision that happening if the First Presidency tells us what to do, just as they did Re. the marriage amendment issues. The Church leadership has for many years now been silent on that principle of the Gospel that requires Latter-day Saints to "befriend" the Constitution.

Zathura wrote: ↑November 13th, 2020, 9:45 pm Here's a thought. What if the Elders if the church DONT save the constitution, and the prophecy was false..

lundbaek wrote: ↑November 13th, 2020, 9:53 pm

Zathura wrote: ↑November 13th, 2020, 9:45 pm Here's a thought. What if the Elders if the church DONT save the constitution, and the prophecy was false..

How many prophets repeated that prophecy after Joseph Smith? 7

Ho many times was the prophecy stated? 12

lundbaek wrote: ↑November 10th, 2008, 11:37 am "We are fast approaching that moment prophesied by Joseph Smith when he said: "Even this nation will be on the very verge of crumbling to pieces and tumbling to the ground, and when the Constitution is upon the brink of ruin, this people will be the staff upon which the nation shall lean, and they shall bear the Constitution away from the very verge of destruction." (July 19, 1840, Joseph Smith Collection, LDS Church Historical Department.) (CHB 27-28; revised in TETB 623-24)"

Any thoughts on how "this people" "shall bear the Constitution away from the very verge of destruction" any time soon?

I don't don't see that a people who largely keep returning Constitution shredders to Congress and who championed a candidate for president who has promoted unconstitutional principles are ever going to "bear the Constitution away from the very verge of destruction". At present I can only envision that happening if the First Presidency tells us what to do, just as they did Re. the marriage amendment issues. The Church leadership has for many years now been silent on that principle of the Gospel that requires Latter-day Saints to "befriend" the Constitution.

investigator wrote: ↑November 14th, 2020, 8:52 am What does "save the constitution" even mean? To be honest, I have saved the constitution. I have a copy locked up in my safe. What good is it to have a constitution if no one follows it. The BOM prophesies the full end of ALL nations. That includes "America" as we know it. Don't be waiting for some elder (Mitt Romney) to ride down out of the rocky mountains on a white horse and bring "America" back from the brink of destruction. That ship has already sailed and there are a lot of mormons who are staying with the boat...

mac wrote: ↑November 14th, 2020, 8:13 am

lundbaek wrote: ↑November 10th, 2008, 11:37 am "We are fast approaching that moment prophesied by Joseph Smith when he said: "Even this nation will be on the very verge of crumbling to pieces and tumbling to the ground, and when the Constitution is upon the brink of ruin, this people will be the staff upon which the nation shall lean, and they shall bear the Constitution away from the very verge of destruction." (July 19, 1840, Joseph Smith Collection, LDS Church Historical Department.) (CHB 27-28; revised in TETB 623-24)"

Any thoughts on how "this people" "shall bear the Constitution away from the very verge of destruction" any time soon?

I don't don't see that a people who largely keep returning Constitution shredders to Congress and who championed a candidate for president who has promoted unconstitutional principles are ever going to "bear the Constitution away from the very verge of destruction". At present I can only envision that happening if the First Presidency tells us what to do, just as they did Re. the marriage amendment issues. The Church leadership has for many years now been silent on that principle of the Gospel that requires Latter-day Saints to "befriend" the Constitution.

Its the unity found amongst the Saints in Utah and surrounding areas that will stand them in good stead, they are concentrated in great numbers there and are highly organised, in any major crisis they will bind together to form an exceedingly strong and powerfull tribe as it were, those that are not active will rally around the Ensign of the church, this will swell its numbers for there will be safety amongst the saints of Utah because of the numerical superiority and cohesion to be found amongst them, hence when all around them if other states go into strife, turmoil and rebellion, the Saints will be as one around their Prophet and their church.
Hence when all the upheaval and strife amongst the states has worn these states out, if such happens the organised body of the church will arise from the ashes to protect what is left of the constitution and build it up again as perchance it will be the only large organised body left to do so.
Lets hope that your america does not crumble at this time for the beginning of sorrows has begun, and it behooves every Saint to keep the faith and to stay close to the main body of the church, for there is safety there, both spiritually and temporaly....

WYp8riot wrote: ↑November 11th, 2008, 6:25 am Yes it is the Humbling that is comming that will be part opf the awakening of more I believe. Unfortunately so many LDS and others are comfortable with the false precepts of men at this time. They know not where to find truth and they see us as extremists.

I do think we the extremists are part of the awakening process of others, it is us that support and push the education of these principles that are going to make the biggest difference.

righteousrepublic wrote: ↑November 22nd, 2020, 1:57 am "How will "this people" save the Constitution?"

By reading and applying their duty to throw off bad government and instituting new guards per the Declaration of Independence.

I have yet to fully understand why "We The People" have not adhered and implemented that mandate. Instead we now have socialists in every faction of government and they are pushing hard to quash freedom and liberty, and to reduce our religious freedoms. We've seen bibles and flags being burned in the streets. We've seen Antifa and BLM destroying our cities, monuments and people. Yet "We The People" sit back and watch it happen as if we're merely watching a horror movie on TV.

The words of President Benson are not mentioned when he said we must stand up for freedom whatever the cost. Now we hear what appears to be just the opposite. So...which directive do we follow? Is everything we've heard in the past now null and void? Do we now cower down and wait to see if the other shoe drops? Do we cross our fingers and hope all this nerve wracking chaos will just go away? Do we pretend Biden and his cronies will do the right thing for "We The People" and not destroy and reverse all the good things Trump did?

Even if Trump runs for POTUS again in 2024...and even if he were to be elected...he would have to start all over and redo what he took four years to accomplish already. Irreversible damage will be done to many things Trump resolved so Americans could be fuel independent and jobs coming back to America.

The Socialist controlled Democrats are out to destroy America's freedom and liberty and turn it into a pile of rubbish ready for the refuse dump.

Or will God step in and fight our battles? When will enough...be enough?

Here is what our duty was that may never happen.

–That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.–

Under Biden/Harris, I see no other direction than being put under despots.

Despotism
the rule of a despot; arbitrary, absolute, or tyrannical government

Serragon wrote: ↑December 7th, 2020, 6:36 pm Much like the state of the Christian church in Joseph's day, there is nothing to save. Reformation is not the answer. Restoration is.