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Posted: **December 11th, 2020, 6:20 pm**

righteousrepublic wrote: ↑December 7th, 2020, 7:12 pm In an email I received, it read that if Pres Trump has to initiate marshal law in order to enforce law and order, declare a stay of Habeas Corpus, arrest those guilty of treason, and use military tribunals to determine their fate, then welcome to the Book of Mormon history of this nation.

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Posted: **December 11th, 2020, 8:25 pm**

JohnnyL wrote: ↑December 11th, 2020, 6:20 pm
righteousrepublic wrote: ↑December 7th, 2020, 7:12 pm In an email I received, it read that if Pres Trump has to initiate marshal law in order to enforce law and order, declare a stay of Habeas Corpus, arrest those guilty of treason, and use military tribunals to determine their fate, then welcome to the Book of Mormon history of this nation.

Exclusive: 3-Star General McInerney Calls For Martial Law, Tribunals & Investigation of Treason. And Cyber Warfare? We are at war!
And he's not the only one calling for martial law, either...

If Trump doesn't call for martial law and military tribunals and incarcerate those guilty of treason in order to "defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic" he will have nearly run out of options. I don't know if the electorate gathering will be enough next Monday.

Posted: **December 12th, 2020, 2:59 pm**

These people are attempting to save the Constitution:

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Posted: **January 3rd, 2021, 1:01 am**

This talk is awesome. It gives hope to the faithful in today's chaotic times.

America's Fate and Ultimate Destiny | Marion G. Romney

Posted: **January 3rd, 2021, 3:23 am**

lundbaek wrote: ↑November 10th, 2008, 11:37 am "We are fast approaching that moment prophesied by Joseph Smith when he said: "Even this nation will be on the very verge of crumbling to pieces and tumbling to the ground, and when the Constitution is upon the brink of ruin, this people will be the staff upon which the nation shall lean, and they shall bear the Constitution away from the very verge of destruction." (July 19, 1840, Joseph Smith Collection, LDS Church Historical Department.) (CHB 27-28; revised in TETB 623-24)"

Any thoughts on how "this people" "shall bear the Constitution away from the very verge of destruction" any time soon?

I don't don't see that a people who largely keep returning Constitution shredders to Congress and who championed a candidate for president who has promoted unconstitutional principles are ever going to "bear the Constitution away from the very verge of destruction". At present I can only envision that happening if the First Presidency tells us what to do, just as they did Re. the marriage amendment issues. The Church leadership has for many years now been silent on that principle of the Gospel that requires Latter-day Saints to "befriend" the Constitution.

I understand that after the United States succumbs to the One World Order, that the Saints will have had enough eventually and choose to disassociate from the NWO and restore the Constitution to an earlier time that it was once in. This is how the Constitution will be restored. Not by the church itself, yet by the faith members of the church who want freedom from tyranny of the NWO leader. Thinking about this, this could very well come during the time of the 3 1/2 years of tribulation when the Anti-Christ is focused on Jerusalem and not on America. As American's, I would expect that this would be the time those who aren't in Zion or the New Jerusalem will be fighting a civil war against the NWO to reclaim independence and freedom.

Posted: **January 3rd, 2021, 8:25 am**

woodro76 wrote: ↑January 3rd, 2021, 3:23 am I understand that after the United States succumbs to the One World Order, that the Saints will have had enough eventually and choose to disassociate from the NWO and restore the Constitution to an earlier time that it was once in. This is how the Constitution will be restored.

Okay, so how will the Saints or anyone else be able to take freedom and liberty back once the NWO has confiscated all guns, because this is what Biden and Harris want to do as soon as they can. It is called a "buy back" which actually means removal by force. Biden/Harris are likely going to be like a monarchy having no interest in following the Constitution but by usurping their will on us backed by socialist politicians all over the country. However, if God wants to teach Americans a lesson, he could allow us to go into captivity for a time.
According to Marion G Romney, the United States is Zion...mark 24:55 in the above video.

Posted: **January 3rd, 2021, 8:29 am**

I'd be interested to know if many LDSFF members are currently engaged in a program or personal effort to study and learn the principles of the Constitution.

Posted: **January 3rd, 2021, 8:20 pm**

lundbaek wrote: ↑January 3rd, 2021, 8:29 am I'd be interested to know if many LDSFF members are currently engaged in a program or personal effort to study and learn the principles of the Constitution.

Ya, like Article II, Section I, clauses 1-4 and the 12th Amendment of the United States Constitution. This is what is going to occur on Jan 6, called a Contingent Election. Trump will be elected if the Electoral College numbers go below 270 for both parties due to objections being presented and debated.

And I would like to add, who here has read "The Original Argument" by Glenn Beck? It is a very good way of going through the Federalist Papers as asked to by President Benson. It gives us a great understanding and insight as to what the Founder's had in mind for America.

Posted: **January 4th, 2021, 4:56 am**

righteousrepublic wrote: ↑January 3rd, 2021, 8:25 am
woodro76 wrote: ↑January 3rd, 2021, 3:23 am I understand that after the United States succumbs to the One World Order, that the Saints will have had enough eventually and choose to disassociate from the NWO and restore the Constitution to an earlier time that it was once in. This is how the Constitution will be restored.
Okay, so how will the Saints or anyone else be able to take freedom and liberty back once the NWO has confiscated all guns, because this is what Biden and Harris want to do as soon as they can. It is called a "buy back" which actually means removal by force. Biden/Harris are likely going to be like a monarchy having no interest in following the Constitution but by usurping their will on us backed by socialist politicians all over the country. However, if God wants to teach Americans a lesson, he could allow us to go into captivity for a time.
According to Marion G Romney, the United States is Zion...mark 24:55 in the above video.

It is really sad that since I can remember from Columbine Co to President Trump's administration that there has been to many mass shootings. We don't need to confiscate guns, rather we need responsible gun laws. I.e. Gun owners should be required to register them periodically and have safety training. This is no different than driving your car. Too many bad apples are causing mass death that many are alarmed. This is what needs to be corrected. As Americans we need to stand up for our rights to defend ourselves and we will. Yet, I don't remember that Obama demanded us to give up our rights to have guns. Therefore, I doubt Biden is going to make that happen.

However, if and went the United States joins the New World Order it will because of those who believe in the Leader and want his protection. Yet, the Saints and even other Christians will not agree and will eventually bring us back to freedom and independence. The United States Constitution is the Lord's political law for the world.

Posted: **January 4th, 2021, 5:43 am**

They’ll reconstitute currency from the ash pile of fiat failure.

A days work was the standard acceptable of the Good Samaritan, so work is likely a wise choice for something of infinite supply with inherent value. Block chain technology may help manage said assets of real value.

https://www.geocaching.com/geocache/GC4 ... ican-eagle is a virtual geocache my nameless friend urged me to create, upon finding a giant version of a coin envisioned. The all seeing eye watched over children as they mostly escaped unscathed on a very tragic day.

Posted: **January 4th, 2021, 1:40 pm**

I believe the prophesies about the cleansing and I believe the prophesies about the saving/rescuing of the Constitution, and that they will happen in that order.

Posted: **January 4th, 2021, 1:52 pm**

woodro76 wrote: ↑January 4th, 2021, 4:56 am
righteousrepublic wrote: ↑January 3rd, 2021, 8:25 am
woodro76 wrote: ↑January 3rd, 2021, 3:23 am I understand that after the United States succumbs to the One World Order, that the Saints will have had enough eventually and choose to disassociate from the NWO and restore the Constitution to an earlier time that it was once in. This is how the Constitution will be restored.
Okay, so how will the Saints or anyone else be able to take freedom and liberty back once the NWO has confiscated all guns, because this is what Biden and Harris want to do as soon as they can. It is called a "buy back" which actually means removal by force. Biden/Harris are likely going to be like a monarchy having no interest in following the Constitution but by usurping their will on us backed by socialist politicians all over the country. However, if God wants to teach Americans a lesson, he could allow us to go into captivity for a time.
According to Marion G Romney, the United States is Zion...mark 24:55 in the above video.
It is really sad that since I can remember from Columbine Co to President Trump's administration that there has been to many mass shootings. We don't need to confiscate guns, rather we need responsible gun laws. I.e. Gun owners should be required to register them periodically and have safety training. This is no different than driving your car. Too many bad apples are causing mass death that many are alarmed. This is what needs to be corrected. As Americans we need to stand up for our rights to defend ourselves and we will. Yet, I don't remember that Obama demanded us to give up our rights to have guns. Therefore, I doubt Biden is going to make that happen.

However, if and went the United States joins the New World Order it will because of those who believe in the Leader and want his protection. Yet, the Saints and even other Christians will not agree and will eventually bring us back to freedom and independence. The United States Constitution is the Lord's political law for the world.

I would love for you to explain how registering your guns and taking safety training would have prevented any mass shooting since Columbine. Whenever people offer solutions that would have no impact in solving the problem but would be an infringement on my natural rights, I tend to think they are being dishonest and that the infringement of rights is actually the objective.

Adding the word "responsible" to the mix just gives politicians the ability to redefine the word until they achieve full gun control. Each restriction will make the world a bit safer, until only a small handful can actually own guns. And this is why you cannot remember Obama trying to take peoples guns. Because he hid behind the word "responsible". He never wanted to take guns from responsible gun owners, but there would quickly be very few responsible people who could own guns.

Posted: **January 4th, 2021, 5:05 pm**

Safety training is always a good idea. But registration of guns to the owner will only facilitate confiscation.

Posted: **January 4th, 2021, 5:10 pm**

We will use the constitution when New Jerusalem is established and thus preserve it that way; meanwhile the USA will burn to the ground.

Posted: **January 4th, 2021, 5:15 pm**

Primary Outcast wrote: ↑January 4th, 2021, 5:10 pm We will use the constitution when New Jerusalem is established and thus preserve it that way; meanwhile the USA will burn to the ground.

Seems like a very likely senario. I certainly cannot envision the Constitution being honored again in Washington D.C.

Posted: **January 4th, 2021, 5:18 pm**

lundbaek wrote: ↑January 4th, 2021, 5:05 pm Safety training is always a good idea. But registration of guns to the owner will only facilitate confiscation.

I have no faith that a government implemented safety program would not quickly turn into an indoctrination program. People were able to get along just fine before the government took on the role of parent.

Irresponsible people do irresponsible things. We have let the government take on the role of father, teacher, minister, and provider with a result of a mass of emotionally immature and irresponsible citizens. Will adding a safety course really matter?

Posted: **January 4th, 2021, 5:22 pm**

Serragon wrote: ↑January 4th, 2021, 5:18 pm
lundbaek wrote: ↑January 4th, 2021, 5:05 pm Safety training is always a good idea. But registration of guns to the owner will only facilitate confiscation.
I have no faith that a government implemented safety program would not quickly turn into an indoctrination program. People were able to get along just fine before the government took on the role of parent.

Irresponsible people do irresponsible things. We have let the government take on the role of father, teacher, minister, and provider with a result of a mass of emotionally immature and irresponsible citizens. Will adding a safety course really matter?

I was thinking more of one of those privately run training courses. An outfit called GunSite comes to mind. I think there are others. I thoroughly enjoyed the training I got is the Navy, but that was back in 1979.

Posted: **January 4th, 2021, 5:27 pm**

lundbaek wrote: ↑January 4th, 2021, 5:22 pm
Serragon wrote: ↑January 4th, 2021, 5:18 pm
lundbaek wrote: ↑January 4th, 2021, 5:05 pm Safety training is always a good idea. But registration of guns to the owner will only facilitate confiscation.
I have no faith that a government implemented safety program would not quickly turn into an indoctrination program. People were able to get along just fine before the government took on the role of parent.

Irresponsible people do irresponsible things. We have let the government take on the role of father, teacher, minister, and provider with a result of a mass of emotionally immature and irresponsible citizens. Will adding a safety course really matter?
I was thinking more of one of those privately run training courses. An outfit called GunSite comes to mind. I think there are others. I thoroughly enjoyed the training I got is the Navy, but that was back in 1979.

I agree.

But it is only a matter of time until the left figures out that a full frontal assault on guns is not going to work. When they do, they will start embracing guns publicly while using every government mechanism to destroy the individualism that comes from owning a gun and feeling a sense of independence and self-confidence. The model they used with blacks is instructive. When the KKK failed, they embraced blacks publicly while doing everything in their power to keep them on the poverty plantation where they remain still.

Posted: **January 4th, 2021, 5:34 pm**

Primary Outcast wrote: ↑January 4th, 2021, 5:10 pm We will use the constitution when New Jerusalem is established and thus preserve it that way; meanwhile the USA will burn to the ground.

Ahhhhh, I like that. Well I don't like the USA burning down lol but that idea/premise.
That the Constitution stays relevant and continue be used in New Jerusalem, while something very plausible may happen with the land or country that abused and corrupted that inspired document.
Been a while since I've heard/read something about the 'constitution by a thread' stuff that gave me pause and sounded realistic.

Posted: **January 4th, 2021, 8:12 pm**

When one is in the middle of a gun fight, gun safety and training courses go right out the window. One can train all day long every day, but once the adrenaline starts flowing anything goes and there is much less control. In fact, I would venture to say that a lot of people that constantly go to a range would fold up like a campsite chair in a real battle, because, typically, stationary targets never are known to shift side to side or return fire. However, a gun safety course would come in handy.

Posted: **January 5th, 2021, 2:20 am**

lundbaek wrote: ↑January 4th, 2021, 5:05 pm Safety training is always a good idea. But registration of guns to the owner will only facilitate confiscation.

Yes, to those who can't wisely own them. Good gun owners aren't afraid of following the law and handling them safely. It is those who are willing to break the law and misuse guns who should be afraid.

Posted: **January 5th, 2021, 9:37 am**

One thing we could do right now is provide protection for senators and representatives.

We know that many have received death threats, the latest report being a senator who had men with guns threaten his life in front of his wife and children, at his house, to vote the way the G.r./ Communists wanted him to vote.

With all the hunters and CCP holders in Utah, we could protect every senator and representative who requests it (not for the Communist ones, unless they want to turn). We wouldn't be professionals, but we could learn, and even having a no-carry person around the congressman would help.

Anyone come up with a plan on how to coordinate this/ make it work?

Posted: **January 5th, 2021, 12:02 pm**

woodro76 wrote: ↑January 5th, 2021, 2:20 am Yes, to those who can't wisely own them. Good gun owners aren't afraid of following the law and handling them safely. It is those who are willing to break the law and misuse guns who should be afraid.

So we went from "shall not be infringed" to "good gun owners." I don't suppose you'll be the one to save the Constitution.

Posted: **January 5th, 2021, 9:33 pm**

Looks like the largest militia is beating us to it...

Do we join them?

Posted: **January 6th, 2021, 1:30 am**

JohnnyL wrote: ↑January 5th, 2021, 9:33 pm Looks like the largest militia is beating us to it...

Do we join them?

One could consider these books written by retired Navy Seal Clint Emerson.
100 Deadly Skills
and 100 Deadly Skills: Survival Edition

The trick is finding people that are like minded to train with.

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