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ndjili wrote: ↑May 26th, 2019, 12:21 pm I’m rumors now that Julie did in fact get excommunicated in April. This is coming from former close followers. Anyone have any more info on this.

P.S. this lines up with her sudden removal of podcasts as well as AVOW quietly removing all of her stuff and not permitting any mention of her around this time period.

Here it is. She talks about it in her new podcast. Listening to her vitriol it’s pretty clear why she has been excommunicated. Though, she has been teaching so much false nonsense it’s ridiculous. Surprised it took this long.
https://youtu.be/iEPl8t1XnKw

Jesef wrote: ↑November 19th, 2019, 9:05 am Once again: people's visions & dreams & spiritual experiences 99.9% of the time are NOT LITERAL - they are symbolic & metaphorical, just like 99.9% of "scripture" & "prophecy" - & MOST LIKELY these spiritual experiences are for that person only, not EVERYONE. That's my take anyway.

jmack wrote: ↑November 21st, 2019, 7:40 am

Jesef wrote: ↑November 19th, 2019, 9:05 am Once again: people's visions & dreams & spiritual experiences 99.9% of the time are NOT LITERAL - they are symbolic & metaphorical, just like 99.9% of "scripture" & "prophecy" - & MOST LIKELY these spiritual experiences are for that person only, not EVERYONE. That's my take anyway.

From examples in scripture, you are right that dreams are usually not literal and Joseph Smith did say that most often we should keep them to ourselves, unless we have stewardship. Julie Rowe has been ignoring those directives since she first started sharing at avow, that should've been a reason to be cautious with her claims. Since then she's only made her case worse with what she's said and done and it was no surprise she would finally be excommunicated and continue her downhill run. I predict her end will be a sad one. At this point I feel really sorry for her and her family who have to deal with it.

Jesef wrote: ↑November 21st, 2019, 8:20 am

jmack wrote: ↑November 21st, 2019, 7:40 am

Jesef wrote: ↑November 19th, 2019, 9:05 am Once again: people's visions & dreams & spiritual experiences 99.9% of the time are NOT LITERAL - they are symbolic & metaphorical, just like 99.9% of "scripture" & "prophecy" - & MOST LIKELY these spiritual experiences are for that person only, not EVERYONE. That's my take anyway.

From examples in scripture, you are right that dreams are usually not literal and Joseph Smith did say that most often we should keep them to ourselves, unless we have stewardship. Julie Rowe has been ignoring those directives since she first started sharing at avow, that should've been a reason to be cautious with her claims. Since then she's only made her case worse with what she's said and done and it was no surprise she would finally be excommunicated and continue her downhill run. I predict her end will be a sad one. At this point I feel really sorry for her and her family who have to deal with it.

Maybe she will learn from it. After all, her "prophecies" failed, or her interpretations of them. We've all been there with inspiration that turned out to be incorrect or misinterpreted.

Jesef wrote: ↑November 21st, 2019, 8:20 am

jmack wrote: ↑November 21st, 2019, 7:40 am

Jesef wrote: ↑November 19th, 2019, 9:05 am Once again: people's visions & dreams & spiritual experiences 99.9% of the time are NOT LITERAL - they are symbolic & metaphorical, just like 99.9% of "scripture" & "prophecy" - & MOST LIKELY these spiritual experiences are for that person only, not EVERYONE. That's my take anyway.

From examples in scripture, you are right that dreams are usually not literal and Joseph Smith did say that most often we should keep them to ourselves, unless we have stewardship. Julie Rowe has been ignoring those directives since she first started sharing at avow, that should've been a reason to be cautious with her claims. Since then she's only made her case worse with what she's said and done and it was no surprise she would finally be excommunicated and continue her downhill run. I predict her end will be a sad one. At this point I feel really sorry for her and her family who have to deal with it.

Maybe she will learn from it. After all, her "prophecies" failed, or her interpretations of them. We've all been there with inspiration that turned out to be incorrect or misinterpreted.

jmack wrote: ↑November 21st, 2019, 9:43 am

Jesef wrote: ↑November 21st, 2019, 8:20 am

jmack wrote: ↑November 21st, 2019, 7:40 am

Jesef wrote: ↑November 19th, 2019, 9:05 am Once again: people's visions & dreams & spiritual experiences 99.9% of the time are NOT LITERAL - they are symbolic & metaphorical, just like 99.9% of "scripture" & "prophecy" - & MOST LIKELY these spiritual experiences are for that person only, not EVERYONE. That's my take anyway.

From examples in scripture, you are right that dreams are usually not literal and Joseph Smith did say that most often we should keep them to ourselves, unless we have stewardship. Julie Rowe has been ignoring those directives since she first started sharing at avow, that should've been a reason to be cautious with her claims. Since then she's only made her case worse with what she's said and done and it was no surprise she would finally be excommunicated and continue her downhill run. I predict her end will be a sad one. At this point I feel really sorry for her and her family who have to deal with it.

Maybe she will learn from it. After all, her "prophecies" failed, or her interpretations of them. We've all been there with inspiration that turned out to be incorrect or misinterpreted.

This is just my opinion, but I think she has untreated mental illness and as long as it goes untreated it means the more likely she is incapable of learning from it, but is headed to nervous breakdown or suicide. But, I pray that eventually her family can get her help, ironically, the help will come from modern medicine she rejects over her energy healing. If they can stabilize her with medication or other treatments her mind may be clear enough to start healing, I hope.

Elva1045 wrote: ↑November 21st, 2019, 8:46 pm I am fairly new on this website and read all the posts from the first to the last on this particular thread. I have some questions that I hope are answered by those more knowledgeable.

If energy healing is true, why hasn't Julie Rowe been healed of her mental disorder? Shouldn't she be able to heal her own self, since she is so skilled in her craft? Shouldn't her close friend and business partner, Eric Smith AKA Airbender, be able to heal her with his energy healing knowledge? He knows her quite well.

In fact, shouldn't anyone, who practices energy healing, be able to heal her?

I wonder about this because its proponents argue that energy healing is good and true. If so, why hasn't she been healed?

Why hasn't all mankind been healed by the energy healers?

Wouldn't it be wonderful if all cancers were eradicated? What about every mental health illness, plague, pandemic, disorder, etc?

I cannot comprehend how every illness has not been eradicated by energy healers including all addictions.

Especially since Utah is filled with energy healers. Why is there so much substance abuse, pornography use, depression and suicides if energy healers can heal?

Why isn't sterility being healed? Why isn't every genetic disorder being healed. I don't get it.

I await your answers...

oklds wrote: ↑August 13th, 2018, 10:51 am

iWriteStuff wrote: ↑July 9th, 2018, 1:30 pm

DesertWonderer2 wrote: ↑June 27th, 2018, 10:20 am
So, please tell us which of these are true prophets:

Julie Rowe
Chad Daybell
Hector Sosa
Sara Menet
Spencer
Denver Snuffer
Bishop Koyle
David Horne
Shawn Littlebear (or whatever his name is)
Eric Smith
Suzanne Freeman

If there are any others youd would like to include feel free.

I'll add one:

Russell M. Nelson

Not sure about the others, but the Spirit confirms on the latter.

I get the point, as does everybody, but doesn't it seem a little sacrilegious to include the Prophet's name in the same list with those swine? Just saying.....

Juliet wrote: ↑November 21st, 2019, 11:12 pm

Elva1045 wrote: ↑November 21st, 2019, 8:46 pm I am fairly new on this website and read all the posts from the first to the last on this particular thread. I have some questions that I hope are answered by those more knowledgeable.

If energy healing is true, why hasn't Julie Rowe been healed of her mental disorder? Shouldn't she be able to heal her own self, since she is so skilled in her craft? Shouldn't her close friend and business partner, Eric Smith AKA Airbender, be able to heal her with his energy healing knowledge? He knows her quite well.

In fact, shouldn't anyone, who practices energy healing, be able to heal her?

I wonder about this because its proponents argue that energy healing is good and true. If so, why hasn't she been healed?

Why hasn't all mankind been healed by the energy healers?

Wouldn't it be wonderful if all cancers were eradicated? What about every mental health illness, plague, pandemic, disorder, etc?

I cannot comprehend how every illness has not been eradicated by energy healers including all addictions.

Especially since Utah is filled with energy healers. Why is there so much substance abuse, pornography use, depression and suicides if energy healers can heal?

Why isn't sterility being healed? Why isn't every genetic disorder being healed. I don't get it.

I await your answers...

According to Isaiah ch 6, not everyone wants to be healed.

[10] Make the heart of this people fat, and make their ears heavy, and shut their eyes; lest they see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and convert, and be healed.

jmack wrote: ↑November 22nd, 2019, 5:16 pm

Juliet wrote: ↑November 21st, 2019, 11:12 pm

Elva1045 wrote: ↑November 21st, 2019, 8:46 pm I am fairly new on this website and read all the posts from the first to the last on this particular thread. I have some questions that I hope are answered by those more knowledgeable.

If energy healing is true, why hasn't Julie Rowe been healed of her mental disorder? Shouldn't she be able to heal her own self, since she is so skilled in her craft? Shouldn't her close friend and business partner, Eric Smith AKA Airbender, be able to heal her with his energy healing knowledge? He knows her quite well.

In fact, shouldn't anyone, who practices energy healing, be able to heal her?

I wonder about this because its proponents argue that energy healing is good and true. If so, why hasn't she been healed?

Why hasn't all mankind been healed by the energy healers?

Wouldn't it be wonderful if all cancers were eradicated? What about every mental health illness, plague, pandemic, disorder, etc?

I cannot comprehend how every illness has not been eradicated by energy healers including all addictions.

Especially since Utah is filled with energy healers. Why is there so much substance abuse, pornography use, depression and suicides if energy healers can heal?

Why isn't sterility being healed? Why isn't every genetic disorder being healed. I don't get it.

I await your answers...

According to Isaiah ch 6, not everyone wants to be healed.

[10] Make the heart of this people fat, and make their ears heavy, and shut their eyes; lest they see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and convert, and be healed.

I think isaiah means spiritual healing and in this instance, I'm not sure that's a reasonable explanation since people who go to energy healers spend tons of money and I doubt they'd do that if they didn't want to be healed. That would be a waste of money and time.

Elva1045 wrote: ↑November 21st, 2019, 8:46 pm I am fairly new on this website and read all the posts from the first to the last on this particular thread. I have some questions that I hope are answered by those more knowledgeable.

If energy healing is true, why hasn't Julie Rowe been healed of her mental disorder? Shouldn't she be able to heal her own self, since she is so skilled in her craft? Shouldn't her close friend and business partner, Eric Smith AKA Airbender, be able to heal her with his energy healing knowledge? He knows her quite well.

In fact, shouldn't anyone, who practices energy healing, be able to heal her?

I wonder about this because its proponents argue that energy healing is good and true. If so, why hasn't she been healed?

Why hasn't all mankind been healed by the energy healers?

Wouldn't it be wonderful if all cancers were eradicated? What about every mental health illness, plague, pandemic, disorder, etc?

I cannot comprehend how every illness has not been eradicated by energy healers including all addictions.

Especially since Utah is filled with energy healers. Why is there so much substance abuse, pornography use, depression and suicides if energy healers can heal?

Why isn't sterility being healed? Why isn't every genetic disorder being healed. I don't get it.

I await your answers...

Robin Hood wrote: ↑November 22nd, 2019, 8:49 am

oklds wrote: ↑August 13th, 2018, 10:51 am

iWriteStuff wrote: ↑July 9th, 2018, 1:30 pm

DesertWonderer2 wrote: ↑June 27th, 2018, 10:20 am
So, please tell us which of these are true prophets:

Julie Rowe
Chad Daybell
Hector Sosa
Sara Menet
Spencer
Denver Snuffer
Bishop Koyle
David Horne
Shawn Littlebear (or whatever his name is)
Eric Smith
Suzanne Freeman

If there are any others youd would like to include feel free.

I'll add one:

Russell M. Nelson

Not sure about the others, but the Spirit confirms on the latter.

I get the point, as does everybody, but doesn't it seem a little sacrilegious to include the Prophet's name in the same list with those swine? Just saying.....

I suppose the big difference is that all those on the list have issued prophecies which have not come true, whereas President Nelson hasn't.

The Airbender wrote: ↑November 22nd, 2019, 10:38 pm

Elva1045 wrote: ↑November 21st, 2019, 8:46 pm
Why isn't sterility being healed? Why isn't every genetic disorder being healed. I don't get it.

I await your answers...

I dunno about the other stuff, but I think maybe the reason sterility has not been cured is for the same reason genetic disorders are not being healed. Almighty God designed the gene pool to be self-chlorinating, and that's the simplest way get the job done. It's best for some people to not ask questions and just drink the kool-aid.....

oklds wrote: ↑November 22nd, 2019, 11:50 pm

Robin Hood wrote: ↑November 22nd, 2019, 8:49 am

oklds wrote: ↑August 13th, 2018, 10:51 am

iWriteStuff wrote: ↑July 9th, 2018, 1:30 pm

I'll add one:

Russell M. Nelson

Not sure about the others, but the Spirit confirms on the latter.

I get the point, as does everybody, but doesn't it seem a little sacrilegious to include the Prophet's name in the same list with those swine? Just saying.....

I suppose the big difference is that all those on the list have issued prophecies which have not come true, whereas President Nelson hasn't.

Just to be clear, before I joined the Church, I issued a lot of prophecies in my lifetime which have not come true. The failure of most of those prophecies can be summed up one of several simple two words phrases. Here are some examples (although there are many other good reasons why my prophecies fail):

1. "Inside Straight"
2. "Point Spread"'
3. "Bad Officiating"

...the list goes on and on....

But I'll bet President Nelson rarely, if ever, uses any of those phrases. Think that could have something to do with why He's the Prophet and my bookie's mad at me cause I stopped making prophecies with him? Anybody that doesn't understand those phrases at all can bring a deck of cards and your paycheck and stop by my house (That's a joke, people.)

oklds wrote: ↑November 22nd, 2019, 11:50 pm

Robin Hood wrote: ↑November 22nd, 2019, 8:49 am

oklds wrote: ↑August 13th, 2018, 10:51 am

iWriteStuff wrote: ↑July 9th, 2018, 1:30 pm

I'll add one:

Russell M. Nelson

Not sure about the others, but the Spirit confirms on the latter.

I get the point, as does everybody, but doesn't it seem a little sacrilegious to include the Prophet's name in the same list with those swine? Just saying.....

I suppose the big difference is that all those on the list have issued prophecies which have not come true, whereas President Nelson hasn't.

Just to be clear, before I joined the Church, I issued a lot of prophecies in my lifetime which have not come true. The failure of most of those prophecies can be summed up one of several simple two words phrases. Here are some examples (although there are many other good reasons why my prophecies fail):

1. "Inside Straight"
2. "Point Spread"'
3. "Bad Officiating"

...the list goes on and on....

But I'll bet President Nelson rarely, if ever, uses any of those phrases. Think that could have something to do with why He's the Prophet and my bookie's mad at me cause I stopped making prophecies with him? Anybody that doesn't understand those phrases at all can bring a deck of cards and your paycheck and stop by my house (That's a joke, people.)

Elva1045 wrote: ↑November 23rd, 2019, 11:21 am Airbender/Eric I'm not disappointed by anything you claim.

In my opinion, Julie hasn't been healed. I've paid attention.

What I do know is this--I have seen healing of every kind through Jesus Christ's Atonement, the power of the priesthood and faith in Jesus Christ. It is only through the Atonement of our Savior that true healing comes.

Personally, I have been healed from addiction, trauma, PTSD and other afflictions through the Lord's Atonement and through priesthood blessings. Thankfully I haven't spent thousands on doctors nor $50 to $100 a visit to a supposed "energy healer." In fact, I see a doctor once a year for my annual physical only. I'm grateful for the blessing of good health.

For the rare minor illness and infection, I use nano silver, which has always removed the issue. For example, I got pink eye earlier this year and cured it by using nano silver drops for just a couple of days. My grand-daughter had an ear infection that went away after two treatments of nano silver drops. My husband had strep throat and he gargled twice a day with it.and took Vitamin C for two days and the pus pockets on his tonsil and the swelling and redness disappeared. I had him do it for another two days to make sure it killed it completely. It never came back.

FYI, I paid $31 for a 32 oz bottle of the nano silver, which lasts a long time.

But you are free to believe whatever you wish. I choose to believe in Jesus Christ. I know that the key to all healing is through His Infinite Atonement.

I also know I'm not going to change your mind about what you believe because I believe that you are deeply entrenched in your craft and you business dealings with Julie.

I also know this--no one is going to change my mind about our Savior's Atonement. All the glory goes to Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ forevermore. Not to Julie or anyone else.

Only the Holy Ghost reveals the truthfulness of all things.

Elva1045

Juliet wrote: ↑November 22nd, 2019, 5:23 pm

jmack wrote: ↑November 22nd, 2019, 5:16 pm

Juliet wrote: ↑November 21st, 2019, 11:12 pm

Elva1045 wrote: ↑November 21st, 2019, 8:46 pm I am fairly new on this website and read all the posts from the first to the last on this particular thread. I have some questions that I hope are answered by those more knowledgeable.

If energy healing is true, why hasn't Julie Rowe been healed of her mental disorder? Shouldn't she be able to heal her own self, since she is so skilled in her craft? Shouldn't her close friend and business partner, Eric Smith AKA Airbender, be able to heal her with his energy healing knowledge? He knows her quite well.

In fact, shouldn't anyone, who practices energy healing, be able to heal her?

I wonder about this because its proponents argue that energy healing is good and true. If so, why hasn't she been healed?

Why hasn't all mankind been healed by the energy healers?

Wouldn't it be wonderful if all cancers were eradicated? What about every mental health illness, plague, pandemic, disorder, etc?

I cannot comprehend how every illness has not been eradicated by energy healers including all addictions.

Especially since Utah is filled with energy healers. Why is there so much substance abuse, pornography use, depression and suicides if energy healers can heal?

Why isn't sterility being healed? Why isn't every genetic disorder being healed. I don't get it.

I await your answers...

According to Isaiah ch 6, not everyone wants to be healed.

[10] Make the heart of this people fat, and make their ears heavy, and shut their eyes; lest they see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and convert, and be healed.

I think isaiah means spiritual healing and in this instance, I'm not sure that's a reasonable explanation since people who go to energy healers spend tons of money and I doubt they'd do that if they didn't want to be healed. That would be a waste of money and time.

I was not referring to those who seek out energy healers, but as to why energy healers haven't eradicated all disease and problems.