I AM wrote: ↑June 26th, 2018, 8:04 pm
I'm posting this here as well.
and I could really care less about JR
this isn't about her, it's about how we wish to view others
who have had dreams, visions, and NDE.
It seems that some think that just because someone has said something
and it doesn't come true, then everything they say is a lie.
and are labeled a liar, a deceiver, a fake, a fraud, etc. how ridiculous.
I hope the Lord has more tolerance with YOU.
you know
I find it interesting that particularly in this forum
so many have closed their minds to accepting other peoples dreams, visions, and NDE's.
especially when they're not supposedly from one in authority.
Dreams and Visions and Prophesying play an important role in our church
and are part of our legacy; they're in our scriptures EVERYWHERE.
Where would our church be today without them !
"Joseph Smith's First Vision" , Lehi's Dream, and so on and so forth.
Before judging others ask yourself -
are you perfect ?
are you ALWAYS is tune with the Lords spirit so that he speaks
through you and EVERYTHING you say will happen ? NO
(I think that the prophets themselves sometimes even have
a hard time with that one.)
so don't expect it of others when their predictions about some disaster doesn't happen.
instead be glad that it didn't happen.
WE ARE ALL fallible not infallible.
People CAN and DO predict things and can see things before they happen.
DON"T judge people just because they have had a dream, vision, NDE, etc. or whatever,
and have tried to warn others about it.
If it doesn't happen - then ALL THE BETTER - NO BIG DEAL.
and if it does happen then aren't you glad that someone told you about it, and you listened and prepared for it.
We should all be more appreciative that someone is willing to tell us what they saw
at the risk of being cut down, ridiculed, and criticized by others.
There is two sides to everything,
but wouldn't it be very wrong
to assume that ALL NDE, visions, and dreams,
whether they be from members of the church,
or your bishop or even a church leader or from some non-member,
will come to pass and are from the Lord.
It's obvious that they are not all from the Lord,
because some things that some people have said have not happened.
Also many of these experiences differ in many different ways;
from how they saw the future, to the timing of when these things unfold.
So simply said they ALL can't be right or from the Lord.
Like most of you, I have read most of these dreams, visions,
and books about people that have had NDE
and talk about future events that they saw.
I myself believe that all these people, whether or not they be prophets,
members of the church or a non-member or just some guy like
Spencer, seem to be quite genuine and very sincere.
And I believe they really had this experiences and saw these things.
But that doesn't mean that ALL these things from ALL these people
are from the Lord and will happen and come to pass
the way that they saw it, or the way they say it will happen.
I personally believe that when a person has a NDE,
first of all it is very personal, tailored to them only
and how they see things.
But secondly, it could be a lot like a dream -
not ALL things we dream about come true. But some things do.
Most of us have had a dream and then later in the future
we see it comes true, or, it plays out in our lives the way we
saw it in our dream, or in some similar way.
Also though - NDE are very special.
And If the Lord wants to show someone visions of the future
while on the other side of the veil, then so be it.
Who am I to say that he hasn't ?
And just because it doesn't come from a member or some church official
doesn't mean that it's not true and will not happen.
"I will pour out of my Spirit upon ALL flesh"
"in the last days and they shall prophesy"
But I think we tend to believe from reading these experiences,
what we want to believe and how they can fit together with
other peoples experiences that we read, into our little puzzle
of what we want to see and how it can all fit into one big picture,
when perhaps it was never meant to.
I also think we tend to believe that because someone has had an
experience,(especially if it is a member) and sees the future then
predicts what will happen, that it has got to have come from God;
or when what they say does not happen, then we think, maybe
they have been deceived and have been listening to the wrong spirit.
or that the Lord has stayed his hand and that's why it didn't happen.
I believe, this simply is not true.
These visions, dreams, and NDE are what they are.
Some things will happen and some things will not.
Even though I truly believe that some of these things WILL happen
and that some of these people could see future events
and how and when they would happen;
there is one thing that we know for sure, and that is -
that everything will come to pass according to the scriptures,
and NOT exactly according to these NDE, visions, and dreams
people have had.
I think the only mistake that someone could make is if we
are substituting them for our scriptures; believing more in them
and what they say about the future, than what the scriptures say.
The scriptures tell much of what the future holds if we will but read them.