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Re: Julie Rowe - any true believers left?

Posted: June 21st, 2018, 8:38 pm
by ndjili
I’m just shocked how the LDS prepper minded people are so sucked into these dreamers and all their New Age philosophy. I have yet to find. Group that isn’t so sucked into this nonsense anymore.

Re: Julie Rowe - any true believers left?

Posted: June 26th, 2018, 1:45 pm
by DesertWonderer2
Work was slow so I listened to JR’s latest podcast while working. It was titled Continuing Revelation.

It was pretty awesome as usual. Here are just a few tidbits:

There will be “dozens of armed guards” to protect JR at her upcoming book signing in rural ID.

The book should have been released a while ago but the spirit told her to make corrections, revisions before releasing it.

Pres Nelson understands JR bc he speakes to people on both sides of the veil just like her.

Her friends on thr other side of the veil told her to do this podcast even though she was told by the spirit previously to not do another one until after the wasatch wake up.

She spent a signicant portion of the time doing an infomercial for Chad Daybell’s new book.

She spent most of the podcast justifying why the wasatch wake up never happened. For example: God changes his mind; God will change His plan dependung on our actions; “they” come to her and tell her it will just be different from what they already told her...

She gave her previous followers who have lost faith in her a stern warning to come back into the fold or suffer the consequences.

All in all, it was pretty sweet. I can’t wait until the new book is released—can you imagine the contradictions and justifications that will be in there?

Re: Julie Rowe - any true believers left?

Posted: June 26th, 2018, 2:09 pm
by gangbusters
DesertWonderer2 wrote: June 26th, 2018, 1:45 pm Work was slow so I listened to JR’s latest podcast while working. It was titled Continuing Revelation.

It was pretty awesome as usual. Here are just a few tidbits:

There will be “dozens of armed guards” to protect JR at her upcoming book signing in rural ID.

The book should have been released a while ago but the spirit told her to make corrections, revisions before releasing it.

Pres Nelson understands JR bc he speakes to people on both sides of the veil just like her.

Her friends on thr other side of the veil told her to do this podcast even though she was told by the spirit previously to not do another one until after the wasatch wake up.

She spent a signicant portion of the time doing an infomercial for Chad Daybell’s new book.

She spent most of the podcast justifying why the wasatch wake up never happened. For example: God changes his mind; God will change His plan dependung on our actions; “they” come to her and tell her it will just be different from what they already told her...

She gave her previous followers who have lost faith in her a stern warning to come back into the fold or suffer the consequences.

All in all, it was pretty sweet. I can’t wait until the new book is released—can you imagine the contradictions and justifications that will be in there?

Sounds like you'd better change your tone lest you be found on the left hand of Julie! 8-)

Re: Julie Rowe - any true believers left?

Posted: June 26th, 2018, 8:04 pm
by I AM
I'm posting this here as well.

and I could really care less about JR
this isn't about her, it's about how we wish to view others
who have had dreams, visions, and NDE.

It seems that some think that just because someone has said something
and it doesn't come true, then everything they say is a lie.
and are labeled a liar, a deceiver, a fake, a fraud, etc. how ridiculous.
I hope the Lord has more tolerance with YOU.

you know
I find it interesting that particularly in this forum
so many have closed their minds to accepting other peoples dreams, visions, and NDE's.
especially when they're not supposedly from one in authority.

Dreams and Visions and Prophesying play an important role in our church
and are part of our legacy; they're in our scriptures EVERYWHERE.
Where would our church be today without them !
"Joseph Smith's First Vision" , Lehi's Dream, and so on and so forth.

Before judging others ask yourself -
are you perfect ?
are you ALWAYS is tune with the Lords spirit so that he speaks
through you and EVERYTHING you say will happen ? NO
(I think that the prophets themselves sometimes even have
a hard time with that one.)
so don't expect it of others when their predictions about some disaster doesn't happen.
instead be glad that it didn't happen.
WE ARE ALL fallible not infallible.

People CAN and DO predict things and can see things before they happen.
DON"T judge people just because they have had a dream, vision, NDE, etc. or whatever,
and have tried to warn others about it.
If it doesn't happen - then ALL THE BETTER - NO BIG DEAL.
and if it does happen then aren't you glad that someone told you about it, and you listened and prepared for it.

We should all be more appreciative that someone is willing to tell us what they saw
at the risk of being cut down, ridiculed, and criticized by others.

There is two sides to everything,
but wouldn't it be very wrong
to assume that ALL NDE, visions, and dreams,
whether they be from members of the church,
or your bishop or even a church leader or from some non-member,
will come to pass and are from the Lord.
It's obvious that they are not all from the Lord,
because some things that some people have said have not happened.
Also many of these experiences differ in many different ways;
from how they saw the future, to the timing of when these things unfold.
So simply said they ALL can't be right or from the Lord.

Like most of you, I have read most of these dreams, visions,
and books about people that have had NDE
and talk about future events that they saw.
I myself believe that all these people, whether or not they be prophets,
members of the church or a non-member or just some guy like
Spencer, seem to be quite genuine and very sincere.
And I believe they really had this experiences and saw these things.
But that doesn't mean that ALL these things from ALL these people
are from the Lord and will happen and come to pass
the way that they saw it, or the way they say it will happen.

I personally believe that when a person has a NDE,
first of all it is very personal, tailored to them only
and how they see things.
But secondly, it could be a lot like a dream -
not ALL things we dream about come true. But some things do.
Most of us have had a dream and then later in the future
we see it comes true, or, it plays out in our lives the way we
saw it in our dream, or in some similar way.

Also though - NDE are very special.
And If the Lord wants to show someone visions of the future
while on the other side of the veil, then so be it.
Who am I to say that he hasn't ?
And just because it doesn't come from a member or some church official
doesn't mean that it's not true and will not happen.
"I will pour out of my Spirit upon ALL flesh"
"in the last days and they shall prophesy"

But I think we tend to believe from reading these experiences,
what we want to believe and how they can fit together with
other peoples experiences that we read, into our little puzzle
of what we want to see and how it can all fit into one big picture,
when perhaps it was never meant to.
I also think we tend to believe that because someone has had an
experience,(especially if it is a member) and sees the future then
predicts what will happen, that it has got to have come from God;
or when what they say does not happen, then we think, maybe
they have been deceived and have been listening to the wrong spirit.
or that the Lord has stayed his hand and that's why it didn't happen.
I believe, this simply is not true.
These visions, dreams, and NDE are what they are.
Some things will happen and some things will not.

Even though I truly believe that some of these things WILL happen
and that some of these people could see future events
and how and when they would happen;
there is one thing that we know for sure, and that is -
that everything will come to pass according to the scriptures,
and NOT exactly according to these NDE, visions, and dreams
people have had.
I think the only mistake that someone could make is if we
are substituting them for our scriptures; believing more in them
and what they say about the future, than what the scriptures say.
The scriptures tell much of what the future holds if we will but read them.

Re: Julie Rowe - any true believers left?

Posted: June 27th, 2018, 10:20 am
by DesertWonderer2
I AM wrote: June 26th, 2018, 8:04 pm I'm posting this here as well.

and I could really care less about JR
this isn't about her, it's about how we wish to view others
who have had dreams, visions, and NDE.

It seems that some think that just because someone has said something
and it doesn't come true, then everything they say is a lie.
and are labeled a liar, a deceiver, a fake, a fraud, etc. how ridiculous.
I hope the Lord has more tolerance with YOU.

you know
I find it interesting that particularly in this forum
so many have closed their minds to accepting other peoples dreams, visions, and NDE's.
especially when they're not supposedly from one in authority.

Dreams and Visions and Prophesying play an important role in our church
and are part of our legacy; they're in our scriptures EVERYWHERE.
Where would our church be today without them !
"Joseph Smith's First Vision" , Lehi's Dream, and so on and so forth.

Before judging others ask yourself -
are you perfect ?
are you ALWAYS is tune with the Lords spirit so that he speaks
through you and EVERYTHING you say will happen ? NO
(I think that the prophets themselves sometimes even have
a hard time with that one.)
so don't expect it of others when their predictions about some disaster doesn't happen.
instead be glad that it didn't happen.
WE ARE ALL fallible not infallible.

People CAN and DO predict things and can see things before they happen.
DON"T judge people just because they have had a dream, vision, NDE, etc. or whatever,
and have tried to warn others about it.
If it doesn't happen - then ALL THE BETTER - NO BIG DEAL.
and if it does happen then aren't you glad that someone told you about it, and you listened and prepared for it.

We should all be more appreciative that someone is willing to tell us what they saw
at the risk of being cut down, ridiculed, and criticized by others.

There is two sides to everything,
but wouldn't it be very wrong
to assume that ALL NDE, visions, and dreams,
whether they be from members of the church,
or your bishop or even a church leader or from some non-member,
will come to pass and are from the Lord.
It's obvious that they are not all from the Lord,
because some things that some people have said have not happened.
Also many of these experiences differ in many different ways;
from how they saw the future, to the timing of when these things unfold.
So simply said they ALL can't be right or from the Lord.

Like most of you, I have read most of these dreams, visions,
and books about people that have had NDE
and talk about future events that they saw.
I myself believe that all these people, whether or not they be prophets,
members of the church or a non-member or just some guy like
Spencer, seem to be quite genuine and very sincere.
And I believe they really had this experiences and saw these things.
But that doesn't mean that ALL these things from ALL these people
are from the Lord and will happen and come to pass
the way that they saw it, or the way they say it will happen.

I personally believe that when a person has a NDE,
first of all it is very personal, tailored to them only
and how they see things.
But secondly, it could be a lot like a dream -
not ALL things we dream about come true. But some things do.
Most of us have had a dream and then later in the future
we see it comes true, or, it plays out in our lives the way we
saw it in our dream, or in some similar way.

Also though - NDE are very special.
And If the Lord wants to show someone visions of the future
while on the other side of the veil, then so be it.
Who am I to say that he hasn't ?
And just because it doesn't come from a member or some church official
doesn't mean that it's not true and will not happen.
"I will pour out of my Spirit upon ALL flesh"
"in the last days and they shall prophesy"

But I think we tend to believe from reading these experiences,
what we want to believe and how they can fit together with
other peoples experiences that we read, into our little puzzle
of what we want to see and how it can all fit into one big picture,
when perhaps it was never meant to.
I also think we tend to believe that because someone has had an
experience,(especially if it is a member) and sees the future then
predicts what will happen, that it has got to have come from God;
or when what they say does not happen, then we think, maybe
they have been deceived and have been listening to the wrong spirit.
or that the Lord has stayed his hand and that's why it didn't happen.
I believe, this simply is not true.
These visions, dreams, and NDE are what they are.
Some things will happen and some things will not.

Even though I truly believe that some of these things WILL happen
and that some of these people could see future events
and how and when they would happen;
there is one thing that we know for sure, and that is -
that everything will come to pass according to the scriptures,
and NOT exactly according to these NDE, visions, and dreams
people have had.
I think the only mistake that someone could make is if we
are substituting them for our scriptures; believing more in them
and what they say about the future, than what the scriptures say.
The scriptures tell much of what the future holds if we will but read them.
So, please tell us which of these are true prophets:

Julie Rowe
Chad Daybell
Hector Sosa
Sara Menet
Spencer
Denver Snuffer
Bishop Koyle
David Horne
Shawn Littlebear (or whatever his name is)
Eric Smith
Suzanne Freeman

If there are any others youd would like to include feel free.

Re: Julie Rowe - any true believers left?

Posted: June 27th, 2018, 4:55 pm
by evejaa
I AM wrote: June 26th, 2018, 8:04 pm I'm posting this here as well.

and I could really care less about JR
this isn't about her, it's about how we wish to view others
who have had dreams, visions, and NDE.

It seems that some think that just because someone has said something
and it doesn't come true, then everything they say is a lie.
and are labeled a liar, a deceiver, a fake, a fraud, etc. how ridiculous.
I hope the Lord has more tolerance with YOU.

you know
I find it interesting that particularly in this forum
so many have closed their minds to accepting other peoples dreams, visions, and NDE's.
especially when they're not supposedly from one in authority.

Dreams and Visions and Prophesying play an important role in our church
and are part of our legacy; they're in our scriptures EVERYWHERE.
Where would our church be today without them !
"Joseph Smith's First Vision" , Lehi's Dream, and so on and so forth.

Before judging others ask yourself -
are you perfect ?
are you ALWAYS is tune with the Lords spirit so that he speaks
through you and EVERYTHING you say will happen ? NO
(I think that the prophets themselves sometimes even have
a hard time with that one.)
so don't expect it of others when their predictions about some disaster doesn't happen.
instead be glad that it didn't happen.
WE ARE ALL fallible not infallible.

People CAN and DO predict things and can see things before they happen.
DON"T judge people just because they have had a dream, vision, NDE, etc. or whatever,
and have tried to warn others about it.
If it doesn't happen - then ALL THE BETTER - NO BIG DEAL.
and if it does happen then aren't you glad that someone told you about it, and you listened and prepared for it.

We should all be more appreciative that someone is willing to tell us what they saw
at the risk of being cut down, ridiculed, and criticized by others.

There is two sides to everything,
but wouldn't it be very wrong
to assume that ALL NDE, visions, and dreams,
whether they be from members of the church,
or your bishop or even a church leader or from some non-member,
will come to pass and are from the Lord.
It's obvious that they are not all from the Lord,
because some things that some people have said have not happened.
Also many of these experiences differ in many different ways;
from how they saw the future, to the timing of when these things unfold.
So simply said they ALL can't be right or from the Lord.

Like most of you, I have read most of these dreams, visions,
and books about people that have had NDE
and talk about future events that they saw.
I myself believe that all these people, whether or not they be prophets,
members of the church or a non-member or just some guy like
Spencer, seem to be quite genuine and very sincere.
And I believe they really had this experiences and saw these things.
But that doesn't mean that ALL these things from ALL these people
are from the Lord and will happen and come to pass
the way that they saw it, or the way they say it will happen.

I personally believe that when a person has a NDE,
first of all it is very personal, tailored to them only
and how they see things.
But secondly, it could be a lot like a dream -
not ALL things we dream about come true. But some things do.
Most of us have had a dream and then later in the future
we see it comes true, or, it plays out in our lives the way we
saw it in our dream, or in some similar way.

Also though - NDE are very special.
And If the Lord wants to show someone visions of the future
while on the other side of the veil, then so be it.
Who am I to say that he hasn't ?
And just because it doesn't come from a member or some church official
doesn't mean that it's not true and will not happen.
"I will pour out of my Spirit upon ALL flesh"
"in the last days and they shall prophesy"

But I think we tend to believe from reading these experiences,
what we want to believe and how they can fit together with
other peoples experiences that we read, into our little puzzle
of what we want to see and how it can all fit into one big picture,
when perhaps it was never meant to.
I also think we tend to believe that because someone has had an
experience,(especially if it is a member) and sees the future then
predicts what will happen, that it has got to have come from God;
or when what they say does not happen, then we think, maybe
they have been deceived and have been listening to the wrong spirit.
or that the Lord has stayed his hand and that's why it didn't happen.
I believe, this simply is not true.
These visions, dreams, and NDE are what they are.
Some things will happen and some things will not.

Even though I truly believe that some of these things WILL happen
and that some of these people could see future events
and how and when they would happen;
there is one thing that we know for sure, and that is -
that everything will come to pass according to the scriptures,
and NOT exactly according to these NDE, visions, and dreams
people have had.
I think the only mistake that someone could make is if we
are substituting them for our scriptures; believing more in them
and what they say about the future, than what the scriptures say.
The scriptures tell much of what the future holds if we will but read them.
A little long winded aren't you. As for the way we talk about JR, I will be short and to the point.
First, she is the one that put it all out there for us to judge, then she put it in print and makes a profit from her pack of what??
She started on AVOW and stated they were dreams and then later they were NDE's. What ever!

Second she is still selling Energy Healing, which our leaders have clearly made know is not of God. Yet to date, she is still selling her services.

So in short I am sure we all don't hate her, we hope she will be able to repent and stops making predictions, period.

Re: Julie Rowe - any true believers left?

Posted: June 27th, 2018, 7:44 pm
by I AM
DesertWonderer2 wrote: June 27th, 2018, 10:20 am
I AM wrote: June 26th, 2018, 8:04 pm I'm posting this here as well.

and I could really care less about JR
this isn't about her, it's about how we wish to view others
who have had dreams, visions, and NDE.

It seems that some think that just because someone has said something
and it doesn't come true, then everything they say is a lie.
and are labeled a liar, a deceiver, a fake, a fraud, etc. how ridiculous.
I hope the Lord has more tolerance with YOU.

you know
I find it interesting that particularly in this forum
so many have closed their minds to accepting other peoples dreams, visions, and NDE's.
especially when they're not supposedly from one in authority.

Dreams and Visions and Prophesying play an important role in our church
and are part of our legacy; they're in our scriptures EVERYWHERE.
Where would our church be today without them !
"Joseph Smith's First Vision" , Lehi's Dream, and so on and so forth.

Before judging others ask yourself -
are you perfect ?
are you ALWAYS is tune with the Lords spirit so that he speaks
through you and EVERYTHING you say will happen ? NO
(I think that the prophets themselves sometimes even have
a hard time with that one.)
so don't expect it of others when their predictions about some disaster doesn't happen.
instead be glad that it didn't happen.
WE ARE ALL fallible not infallible.

People CAN and DO predict things and can see things before they happen.
DON"T judge people just because they have had a dream, vision, NDE, etc. or whatever,
and have tried to warn others about it.
If it doesn't happen - then ALL THE BETTER - NO BIG DEAL.
and if it does happen then aren't you glad that someone told you about it, and you listened and prepared for it.

We should all be more appreciative that someone is willing to tell us what they saw
at the risk of being cut down, ridiculed, and criticized by others.

There is two sides to everything,
but wouldn't it be very wrong
to assume that ALL NDE, visions, and dreams,
whether they be from members of the church,
or your bishop or even a church leader or from some non-member,
will come to pass and are from the Lord.
It's obvious that they are not all from the Lord,
because some things that some people have said have not happened.
Also many of these experiences differ in many different ways;
from how they saw the future, to the timing of when these things unfold.
So simply said they ALL can't be right or from the Lord.

Like most of you, I have read most of these dreams, visions,
and books about people that have had NDE
and talk about future events that they saw.
I myself believe that all these people, whether or not they be prophets,
members of the church or a non-member or just some guy like
Spencer, seem to be quite genuine and very sincere.
And I believe they really had this experiences and saw these things.
But that doesn't mean that ALL these things from ALL these people
are from the Lord and will happen and come to pass
the way that they saw it, or the way they say it will happen.

I personally believe that when a person has a NDE,
first of all it is very personal, tailored to them only
and how they see things.
But secondly, it could be a lot like a dream -
not ALL things we dream about come true. But some things do.
Most of us have had a dream and then later in the future
we see it comes true, or, it plays out in our lives the way we
saw it in our dream, or in some similar way.

Also though - NDE are very special.
And If the Lord wants to show someone visions of the future
while on the other side of the veil, then so be it.
Who am I to say that he hasn't ?
And just because it doesn't come from a member or some church official
doesn't mean that it's not true and will not happen.
"I will pour out of my Spirit upon ALL flesh"
"in the last days and they shall prophesy"

But I think we tend to believe from reading these experiences,
what we want to believe and how they can fit together with
other peoples experiences that we read, into our little puzzle
of what we want to see and how it can all fit into one big picture,
when perhaps it was never meant to.
I also think we tend to believe that because someone has had an
experience,(especially if it is a member) and sees the future then
predicts what will happen, that it has got to have come from God;
or when what they say does not happen, then we think, maybe
they have been deceived and have been listening to the wrong spirit.
or that the Lord has stayed his hand and that's why it didn't happen.
I believe, this simply is not true.
These visions, dreams, and NDE are what they are.
Some things will happen and some things will not.

Even though I truly believe that some of these things WILL happen
and that some of these people could see future events
and how and when they would happen;
there is one thing that we know for sure, and that is -
that everything will come to pass according to the scriptures,
and NOT exactly according to these NDE, visions, and dreams
people have had.
I think the only mistake that someone could make is if we
are substituting them for our scriptures; believing more in them
and what they say about the future, than what the scriptures say.
The scriptures tell much of what the future holds if we will but read them.
So, please tell us which of these are true prophets:

Julie Rowe
Chad Daybell
Hector Sosa
Sara Menet
Spencer
Denver Snuffer
Bishop Koyle
David Horne
Shawn Littlebear (or whatever his name is)
Eric Smith
Suzanne Freeman

If there are any others youd would like to include feel free.
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who said anything about prophets ?
just because someone had a dream or a NDE and tells others about it,
doesn't automatically make them a prophet. nor should you try to label them as one.

even my wife over the years has seen many things in dreams.
a few years ago, she had a dream of a huge earthquake in Italy.
When she woke in the morning, she found out there had been an earthquake in Italy.
But that doesn't mean I'm now gonna call her a prophet.
and what if there hadn't been an earthquake - so what !.
But I guess then you would label her as a false prophet - what a joke.

they are what they are.
these people aren't prophets.
they're just ordinary people, like my wife, who have had these dreams and experiences.
some might come true, most won't
so just leave it at that.

Re: Julie Rowe - any true believers left?

Posted: July 8th, 2018, 6:50 pm
by nzmagpie
I see the whole JR thing as a learning curve. The Law Of Attraction works. She attracted her dreams and visions of doomsday because this was her intention. Those with more positive intentions will attract optimistic influences on both sides of the veil. I'm grateful for learning this in an empirical way through people like JR. Bottom line: if you want to attract abundance, don't listen to the likes of JR, but instead immerse yourselves in the energy of positive people, many of which are not in the LDS church. Follow your own guidance system, however that works for you.

Re: Julie Rowe - any true believers left?

Posted: July 9th, 2018, 12:43 pm
by DesertWonderer2
EmmaLee wrote: June 21st, 2018, 4:49 pm And yet another email!

Get books 2 weeks sooner!!
by Eric Smith

After yesterday's post announcing Julie and Chad's most recent books, an alternate and quicker way to get them came to our attention.
Amazon will ship books starting on July 16th, but the AVOW bookstore will ship on July 2nd and will be autographed copies. Updated links are posted below:
Rising Above the Flames info sheet
Order from AVOW
Order from Amazon

Reclaiming Liberty info sheet
Order through AVOW
Order through Amazon

Eric Smith | June 21, 2018 at 6:41 pm
Hey EmmaLee:

It’s been really quite on the JR fromt. Have you heard anything about the book sigining event or what is in her new book?

Inquiring minds...

Re: Julie Rowe - any true believers left?

Posted: July 9th, 2018, 1:10 pm
by Mcox
nzmagpie wrote: July 8th, 2018, 6:50 pm I see the whole JR thing as a learning curve. The Law Of Attraction works. She attracted her dreams and visions of doomsday because this was her intention. Those with more positive intentions will attract optimistic influences on both sides of the veil. I'm grateful for learning this in an empirical way through people like JR. Bottom line: if you want to attract abundance, don't listen to the likes of JR, but instead immerse yourselves in the energy of positive people, many of which are not in the LDS church. Follow your own guidance system, however that works for you.
Law of Attraction is anti Christ.

Re: Julie Rowe - any true believers left?

Posted: July 9th, 2018, 1:30 pm
by iWriteStuff
DesertWonderer2 wrote: June 27th, 2018, 10:20 am
So, please tell us which of these are true prophets:

Julie Rowe
Chad Daybell
Hector Sosa
Sara Menet
Spencer
Denver Snuffer
Bishop Koyle
David Horne
Shawn Littlebear (or whatever his name is)
Eric Smith
Suzanne Freeman

If there are any others youd would like to include feel free.
I'll add one:

Russell M. Nelson

Not sure about the others, but the Spirit confirms on the latter.

Re: Julie Rowe - any true believers left?

Posted: July 9th, 2018, 4:34 pm
by DesertWonderer2
I AM wrote: June 27th, 2018, 7:44 pm
DesertWonderer2 wrote: June 27th, 2018, 10:20 am
I AM wrote: June 26th, 2018, 8:04 pm I'm posting this here as well.

and I could really care less about JR
this isn't about her, it's about how we wish to view others
who have had dreams, visions, and NDE.

It seems that some think that just because someone has said something
and it doesn't come true, then everything they say is a lie.
and are labeled a liar, a deceiver, a fake, a fraud, etc. how ridiculous.
I hope the Lord has more tolerance with YOU.

you know
I find it interesting that particularly in this forum
so many have closed their minds to accepting other peoples dreams, visions, and NDE's.
especially when they're not supposedly from one in authority.

Dreams and Visions and Prophesying play an important role in our church
and are part of our legacy; they're in our scriptures EVERYWHERE.
Where would our church be today without them !
"Joseph Smith's First Vision" , Lehi's Dream, and so on and so forth.

Before judging others ask yourself -
are you perfect ?
are you ALWAYS is tune with the Lords spirit so that he speaks
through you and EVERYTHING you say will happen ? NO
(I think that the prophets themselves sometimes even have
a hard time with that one.)
so don't expect it of others when their predictions about some disaster doesn't happen.
instead be glad that it didn't happen.
WE ARE ALL fallible not infallible.

People CAN and DO predict things and can see things before they happen.
DON"T judge people just because they have had a dream, vision, NDE, etc. or whatever,
and have tried to warn others about it.
If it doesn't happen - then ALL THE BETTER - NO BIG DEAL.
and if it does happen then aren't you glad that someone told you about it, and you listened and prepared for it.

We should all be more appreciative that someone is willing to tell us what they saw
at the risk of being cut down, ridiculed, and criticized by others.

There is two sides to everything,
but wouldn't it be very wrong
to assume that ALL NDE, visions, and dreams,
whether they be from members of the church,
or your bishop or even a church leader or from some non-member,
will come to pass and are from the Lord.
It's obvious that they are not all from the Lord,
because some things that some people have said have not happened.
Also many of these experiences differ in many different ways;
from how they saw the future, to the timing of when these things unfold.
So simply said they ALL can't be right or from the Lord.

Like most of you, I have read most of these dreams, visions,
and books about people that have had NDE
and talk about future events that they saw.
I myself believe that all these people, whether or not they be prophets,
members of the church or a non-member or just some guy like
Spencer, seem to be quite genuine and very sincere.
And I believe they really had this experiences and saw these things.
But that doesn't mean that ALL these things from ALL these people
are from the Lord and will happen and come to pass
the way that they saw it, or the way they say it will happen.

I personally believe that when a person has a NDE,
first of all it is very personal, tailored to them only
and how they see things.
But secondly, it could be a lot like a dream -
not ALL things we dream about come true. But some things do.
Most of us have had a dream and then later in the future
we see it comes true, or, it plays out in our lives the way we
saw it in our dream, or in some similar way.

Also though - NDE are very special.
And If the Lord wants to show someone visions of the future
while on the other side of the veil, then so be it.
Who am I to say that he hasn't ?
And just because it doesn't come from a member or some church official
doesn't mean that it's not true and will not happen.
"I will pour out of my Spirit upon ALL flesh"
"in the last days and they shall prophesy"

But I think we tend to believe from reading these experiences,
what we want to believe and how they can fit together with
other peoples experiences that we read, into our little puzzle
of what we want to see and how it can all fit into one big picture,
when perhaps it was never meant to.
I also think we tend to believe that because someone has had an
experience,(especially if it is a member) and sees the future then
predicts what will happen, that it has got to have come from God;
or when what they say does not happen, then we think, maybe
they have been deceived and have been listening to the wrong spirit.
or that the Lord has stayed his hand and that's why it didn't happen.
I believe, this simply is not true.
These visions, dreams, and NDE are what they are.
Some things will happen and some things will not.

Even though I truly believe that some of these things WILL happen
and that some of these people could see future events
and how and when they would happen;
there is one thing that we know for sure, and that is -
that everything will come to pass according to the scriptures,
and NOT exactly according to these NDE, visions, and dreams
people have had.
I think the only mistake that someone could make is if we
are substituting them for our scriptures; believing more in them
and what they say about the future, than what the scriptures say.
The scriptures tell much of what the future holds if we will but read them.
So, please tell us which of these are true prophets:

Julie Rowe
Chad Daybell
Hector Sosa
Sara Menet
Spencer
Denver Snuffer
Bishop Koyle
David Horne
Shawn Littlebear (or whatever his name is)
Eric Smith
Suzanne Freeman

If there are any others youd would like to include feel free.
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who said anything about prophets ?
just because someone had a dream or a NDE and tells others about it,
doesn't automatically make them a prophet. nor should you try to label them as one.

even my wife over the years has seen many things in dreams.
a few years ago, she had a dream of a huge earthquake in Italy.
When she woke in the morning, she found out there had been an earthquake in Italy.
But that doesn't mean I'm now gonna call her a prophet.
and what if there hadn't been an earthquake - so what !.
But I guess then you would label her as a false prophet - what a joke.

they are what they are.
these people aren't prophets.
they're just ordinary people, like my wife, who have had these dreams and experiences.
some might come true, most won't
so just leave it at that.
I’m not too proud to admit that I may have been wrong about JR. One of the things she said she saw was that Bigfoots ( or is it Bigfeet?) exists and we haven't been able to prove it because they bury thier dead. I think I just found proof that she was right about Bigfoot at least:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IVYGHHc0Es4

Re: Julie Rowe - any true believers left?

Posted: July 10th, 2018, 7:42 am
by capctr
evejaa wrote: June 27th, 2018, 4:55 pm
I AM wrote: June 26th, 2018, 8:04 pm I'm posting this here as well.

and I could really care less about JR
this isn't about her, it's about how we wish to view others
who have had dreams, visions, and NDE.

It seems that some think that just because someone has said something
and it doesn't come true, then everything they say is a lie.
and are labeled a liar, a deceiver, a fake, a fraud, etc. how ridiculous.
I hope the Lord has more tolerance with YOU.

you know
I find it interesting that particularly in this forum
so many have closed their minds to accepting other peoples dreams, visions, and NDE's.
especially when they're not supposedly from one in authority.

Dreams and Visions and Prophesying play an important role in our church
and are part of our legacy; they're in our scriptures EVERYWHERE.
Where would our church be today without them !
"Joseph Smith's First Vision" , Lehi's Dream, and so on and so forth.

Before judging others ask yourself -
are you perfect ?
are you ALWAYS is tune with the Lords spirit so that he speaks
through you and EVERYTHING you say will happen ? NO
(I think that the prophets themselves sometimes even have
a hard time with that one.)
so don't expect it of others when their predictions about some disaster doesn't happen.
instead be glad that it didn't happen.
WE ARE ALL fallible not infallible.

People CAN and DO predict things and can see things before they happen.
DON"T judge people just because they have had a dream, vision, NDE, etc. or whatever,
and have tried to warn others about it.
If it doesn't happen - then ALL THE BETTER - NO BIG DEAL.
and if it does happen then aren't you glad that someone told you about it, and you listened and prepared for it.

We should all be more appreciative that someone is willing to tell us what they saw
at the risk of being cut down, ridiculed, and criticized by others.

There is two sides to everything,
but wouldn't it be very wrong
to assume that ALL NDE, visions, and dreams,
whether they be from members of the church,
or your bishop or even a church leader or from some non-member,
will come to pass and are from the Lord.
It's obvious that they are not all from the Lord,
because some things that some people have said have not happened.
Also many of these experiences differ in many different ways;
from how they saw the future, to the timing of when these things unfold.
So simply said they ALL can't be right or from the Lord.

Like most of you, I have read most of these dreams, visions,
and books about people that have had NDE
and talk about future events that they saw.
I myself believe that all these people, whether or not they be prophets,
members of the church or a non-member or just some guy like
Spencer, seem to be quite genuine and very sincere.
And I believe they really had this experiences and saw these things.
But that doesn't mean that ALL these things from ALL these people
are from the Lord and will happen and come to pass
the way that they saw it, or the way they say it will happen.

I personally believe that when a person has a NDE,
first of all it is very personal, tailored to them only
and how they see things.
But secondly, it could be a lot like a dream -
not ALL things we dream about come true. But some things do.
Most of us have had a dream and then later in the future
we see it comes true, or, it plays out in our lives the way we
saw it in our dream, or in some similar way.

Also though - NDE are very special.
And If the Lord wants to show someone visions of the future
while on the other side of the veil, then so be it.
Who am I to say that he hasn't ?
And just because it doesn't come from a member or some church official
doesn't mean that it's not true and will not happen.
"I will pour out of my Spirit upon ALL flesh"
"in the last days and they shall prophesy"

But I think we tend to believe from reading these experiences,
what we want to believe and how they can fit together with
other peoples experiences that we read, into our little puzzle
of what we want to see and how it can all fit into one big picture,
when perhaps it was never meant to.
I also think we tend to believe that because someone has had an
experience,(especially if it is a member) and sees the future then
predicts what will happen, that it has got to have come from God;
or when what they say does not happen, then we think, maybe
they have been deceived and have been listening to the wrong spirit.
or that the Lord has stayed his hand and that's why it didn't happen.
I believe, this simply is not true.
These visions, dreams, and NDE are what they are.
Some things will happen and some things will not.

Even though I truly believe that some of these things WILL happen
and that some of these people could see future events
and how and when they would happen;
there is one thing that we know for sure, and that is -
that everything will come to pass according to the scriptures,
and NOT exactly according to these NDE, visions, and dreams
people have had.
I think the only mistake that someone could make is if we
are substituting them for our scriptures; believing more in them
and what they say about the future, than what the scriptures say.
The scriptures tell much of what the future holds if we will but read them.
A little long winded aren't you. As for the way we talk about JR, I will be short and to the point.
First, she is the one that put it all out there for us to judge, then she put it in print and makes a profit from her pack of what??
She started on AVOW and stated they were dreams and then later they were NDE's. What ever!

Second she is still selling Energy Healing, which our leaders have clearly made know is not of God. Yet to date, she is still selling her services.

So in short I am sure we all don't hate her, we hope she will be able to repent and stops making predictions, period.


Yeah...no. I think I may actually border on hate. I mean, 95% of the people who either believed her, or were at least enthusiastically reading the garbage she was peddling(sadly, I include myself as part of the latter), all see her now for the charlatan that she is, yet she STILL won’t shut up? I wish she’d just slink off quietly, shamefully into the dark, never to be heard from again.

Re: Julie Rowe - any true believers left?

Posted: July 10th, 2018, 4:24 pm
by EmmaLee
DesertWonderer2 wrote: July 9th, 2018, 12:43 pm
EmmaLee wrote: June 21st, 2018, 4:49 pm And yet another email!

Get books 2 weeks sooner!!
by Eric Smith

After yesterday's post announcing Julie and Chad's most recent books, an alternate and quicker way to get them came to our attention.
Amazon will ship books starting on July 16th, but the AVOW bookstore will ship on July 2nd and will be autographed copies. Updated links are posted below:
Rising Above the Flames info sheet
Order from AVOW
Order from Amazon

Reclaiming Liberty info sheet
Order through AVOW
Order through Amazon

Eric Smith | June 21, 2018 at 6:41 pm
Hey EmmaLee:

It’s been really quite on the JR fromt. Have you heard anything about the book sigining event or what is in her new book?

Inquiring minds...
Hey DW - we've been on vacation for the last couple of weeks, so I'm just now seeing your post. I don't have anything to report on JR, other than these emails I get. There was another one that said the book signing was 'wonderful', etc. We were actually in Idaho that day, but on the other side of the state, so didn't go to the signing. Would have been a hoot though. 8-) The only thing I've heard about her new book is that it's a 'biography' of sorts. I'd read it if it were free, but I'm not paying for it. If I hear anything of interest, I'll let you know. ;)

Re: Julie Rowe - any true believers left?

Posted: August 13th, 2018, 10:51 am
by oklds
iWriteStuff wrote: July 9th, 2018, 1:30 pm
DesertWonderer2 wrote: June 27th, 2018, 10:20 am
So, please tell us which of these are true prophets:

Julie Rowe
Chad Daybell
Hector Sosa
Sara Menet
Spencer
Denver Snuffer
Bishop Koyle
David Horne
Shawn Littlebear (or whatever his name is)
Eric Smith
Suzanne Freeman

If there are any others youd would like to include feel free.
I'll add one:

Russell M. Nelson

Not sure about the others, but the Spirit confirms on the latter.
I get the point, as does everybody, but doesn't it seem a little sacrilegious to include the Prophet's name in the same list with those swine? Just saying.....

Re: Julie Rowe - any true believers left?

Posted: August 13th, 2018, 1:13 pm
by iWriteStuff
oklds wrote: August 13th, 2018, 10:51 am I get the point, as does everybody, but doesn't it seem a little sacrilegious to include the Prophet's name in the same list with those swine? Just saying.....
Just a little harmless juxtaposition!

Moses vs Pharaoh's priests
Peter vs Simon Magus
Joseph Smith vs Ann Lee

etc...

Re: Julie Rowe - any true believers left?

Posted: August 29th, 2018, 11:26 am
by oklds
EmmaLee wrote: January 5th, 2018, 9:48 am Schedule Appointment
Consultation 40 min initial Energy Session (First Time Clients only)
40 minutes @ $65.00

Regular 40 min Energy Session
40 minutes @ $65.00

Regular 20 min Energy Session
20 minutes @ $40.00

Energy Session 55 Min
1 hour @ $95.00

Energy Session 80 Min
1 hour 30 minutes @ $130.00

Lessons on Energy Work
40 minutes @ $85.00
Well, at least she's in the energy industry now....

Re: Julie Rowe - any true believers left?

Posted: August 29th, 2018, 1:54 pm
by Niyr
oklds wrote: August 29th, 2018, 11:26 am
EmmaLee wrote: January 5th, 2018, 9:48 am Schedule Appointment
Consultation 40 min initial Energy Session (First Time Clients only)
40 minutes @ $65.00

Regular 40 min Energy Session
40 minutes @ $65.00

Regular 20 min Energy Session
20 minutes @ $40.00

Energy Session 55 Min
1 hour @ $95.00

Energy Session 80 Min
1 hour 30 minutes @ $130.00

Lessons on Energy Work
40 minutes @ $85.00
Well, at least she's in the energy industry now....
She's been there since the beginning.

Re: Julie Rowe - any true believers left?

Posted: April 15th, 2019, 9:40 am
by oklds
EmmaLee wrote: January 5th, 2018, 9:48 am She's got lots of ways to make money.

From her website - https://julieroweenergysessions.acuitys ... hedule.php

Julie Rowe Energy Sessions

Schedule Appointment
Consultation 40 min initial Energy Session (First Time Clients only)
40 minutes @ $65.00

Regular 40 min Energy Session
40 minutes @ $65.00

Regular 20 min Energy Session
20 minutes @ $40.00

Energy Session 55 Min
1 hour @ $95.00

Energy Session 80 Min
1 hour 30 minutes @ $130.00

Lessons on Energy Work
40 minutes @ $85.00
What's the big deal? Why are you folks all picking on her? It's a 'victimless crime', and doesn't really even bother anybody except sanctimonious preachers and suchlike. Why, back in my wilder days, I knew a LOT of women like this. As far as I know, it's even totally legal in parts of Nevada, right? And her prices are VERY reasonable.

Re: Julie Rowe - any true believers left?

Posted: April 15th, 2019, 10:05 am
by EmmaLee
oklds wrote: April 15th, 2019, 9:40 am
EmmaLee wrote: January 5th, 2018, 9:48 am She's got lots of ways to make money.

From her website - https://julieroweenergysessions.acuitys ... hedule.php

Julie Rowe Energy Sessions

Schedule Appointment
Consultation 40 min initial Energy Session (First Time Clients only)
40 minutes @ $65.00

Regular 40 min Energy Session
40 minutes @ $65.00

Regular 20 min Energy Session
20 minutes @ $40.00

Energy Session 55 Min
1 hour @ $95.00

Energy Session 80 Min
1 hour 30 minutes @ $130.00

Lessons on Energy Work
40 minutes @ $85.00
What's the big deal? Why are you folks all picking on her? It's a 'victimless crime', and doesn't really even bother anybody except sanctimonious preachers and suchlike. Why, back in my wilder days, I knew a LOT of women like this. As far as I know, it's even totally legal in parts of Nevada, right? And her prices are VERY reasonable.
Not a big deal to me or my family, but it obviously is to many others. Just one example - find the guy here on the forum (can't remember his name), who posted fairly recently, who's wife is threatening to divorce him because she worships Rowe and wants to cash in their 401k, buy tens of thousands of $$$ on camping equipment, etc. Her husband does not want to do this and his Rowe-obsessed wife is literally threatening to divorce him because of it. This is an oft repeated story on this forum and others. Even if it was affecting just one family in this horrifically negative way, it would be a big deal and is most certainly not a "victim-less crime", and Rowe and her sponsors will be held accountable for their role. Interesting analogy to the whores of Nevada though.

Re: Julie Rowe - any true believers left?

Posted: April 15th, 2019, 11:49 am
by gangbusters
Whether or not someone is a believer in JR is one of the fastest and truest indicators of how nuts a person is.

Re: Julie Rowe - any true believers left?

Posted: April 20th, 2019, 10:36 am
by discoqueendiva
I Have some family that still believe in her, I dont , its though because whenever i Express my feelings about how i dont trust her ,they defend her. I find it rather ODD that she pulled all her youtub podcasts off of YouTube and in the past has said she wont speak more about visions etc. Than she gets back on the wagon to promote her new book. I have felt even though she claims to follow the prophet, i find when the prophet doesnt do something or say anything in line of what she says , it makes you question following the prophet etc. That to me is dangerous. I would much rather listen to the prophet and apostles. I try to inform my mom that we need to not take everything people say or dream about seriously, and she doesn't listen, cause of the scriptures that people will dream dreams etc. I ve recently came across this whole panic about 3 days of darkness from my family through Different you tubers. I have not prayed about it. But i felt well why hasnt the prophet said anything about it. My moms response was they cant cause they have enemies watching them. Which makes no sense to me, as these men are watchmen on a tower. President Nelson did say time is running out, I wonder how much time we have. I know from the scripture there will be a day of darkness, before the lord comes again. But all the details people are talking about just seems like another chicken little story or the boy that crys wolf. I believe more in the prophet and the apostles than julie row and others. I also feel that we should be more focused on the saviour and put things to the test. Even fast any pray more to receive personal revelation instead of relying on others for a testimony.

Re: Julie Rowe - any true believers left?

Posted: April 21st, 2019, 2:41 pm
by Eulate
I used to believe her. I believe she met the Lord, but now she is been deceived by the dark side. Pitty. I believe in pres. Nelson. I think he doesn't say more because most members are not ready. Most members don't have a clue on what's coming. I believe the reason the Prophet & apost

Re: Julie Rowe - any true believers left?

Posted: May 25th, 2019, 12:45 pm
by oklds
EmmaLee wrote: April 15th, 2019, 10:05 am
oklds wrote: April 15th, 2019, 9:40 am
What's the big deal? Why are you folks all picking on her? It's a 'victimless crime', and doesn't really even bother anybody except sanctimonious preachers and suchlike. Why, back in my wilder days, I knew a LOT of women like this. As far as I know, it's even totally legal in parts of Nevada, right? And her prices are VERY reasonable.
Interesting analogy to the whores of Nevada though.
Her previous activities and stories just made that analogy jump into my head, and I couldn't resist the sarcastic rejoinder. I've only met her once, and from what I could tell, she actually wouldn't even make a good whore. Her looks are as ugly as her mouth.

Re: Julie Rowe - any true believers left?

Posted: May 25th, 2019, 2:20 pm
by oklds
ndjili wrote: January 26th, 2018, 10:05 am I just went and read that thread and wow! My assertations of personality disorders among these groups seems to be getting clearer.
You don't know the half of it, Brother!