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Posted: **April 22nd, 2018, 10:48 pm**

I could really care less about JR
this isn't about her, it's about how we wish to view others
who have had dreams, visions, and NDE.

It seems that some think that just because someone has said something
and it doesn't come true, then everything they say is a lie.
and are labeled a liar, a deceiver, a fake, a fraud, etc. how ridiculous.
I hope the Lord has more tolerance with YOU.

I believe that when a person has a NDE, first of all it is very personal,
but secondly, it is a lot like a dream -
not ALL things we dream about come true. But some things do.
Most of us have had a dream and then later in the future
we see it comes true, or, it plays out in our lives, the way we
saw it in our dream, or in some similar way.

In a NDE
If a person touches death, and temporarily crosses over the veil.
and comes back to life and tells what they saw;
It's obvious that all these people are not out there just to try to deceive you,
or want to be in the spotlight, and take your money and run.
What a joke !

Before judging others ask yourself -
are you perfect ?
are you ALWAYS is tune with the Lords spirit so that he speaks
through you and EVERYTHING you say will happen ? NO
(I think that the prophets themselves sometimes even have
a hard time with that one.)
so don't expect it of others when their predictions don't happen
instead be glad that it didn't happen.
WE ARE ALL fallible not infallible.

Dreams and Visions and Prophesying play an important role in our church
and are part of our legacy; they're in our scriptures EVERYWHERE.
Where would our church be today without them !
"Joseph Smith's First Vision"

NDE are very special and are like visions, and dreams.
And If the Lord wants to show someone visions of the future
while on the other side of the veil, then so be it.
Who am I to say that he hasn't ?
And just because it doesn't come from some church official
doesn't mean that it's not true.

The Acts of the Apostles and (Joel 2:28-32)
Chapter 2

17 And it shall come to pass in the last days,
saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh:
and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy,
and your young men shall see visions,
and your old men shall dream dreams:

18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens
I will pour out in those days of my Spirit;
and they shall prophesy:

Posted: **April 23rd, 2018, 10:08 am**

I have no doubt that people are having visions. I have no doubt people have false visions. I have no doubt that people claim to have had visions when they didn't. Julie, Hector, Menet and others are all false prophets. The scriptures warn us of false prophets so I suppose it's our task to judge. I don't judge them against perfection, we all fall short of that. I judge them from their fruits, which is something we're supposed to do. Their fruits are bad. Every one of them. I'm not saying they are bad people, I'm saying their ability to prophecy stinks. I don't know if they're liars or if they actually believe they've had visions but the end result is they've been wrong 100% of the time. Visions from God aren't false.

There is a difference between true prophets and false prophets.

Thus saith the Lord of hosts, Hearken not unto the words of the prophets that prophesy unto you: they make you vain: they speak a vision of their own heart, and not out of the mouth of the Lord.

Posted: **April 23rd, 2018, 10:08 am**

Matthew 24: 11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.

Posted: **April 23rd, 2018, 10:52 am**

mirkwood wrote: ↑April 23rd, 2018, 10:08 am Matthew 24: 11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.

In this particular case, it doesn't seem like very many are being deceived. Only about 8% of polled participants.

Is the game just about up? Or are there more books to be sold?

What's happening with yonder charity? Is Greater Tomorrow Relief Fund on the cusp of imminent dissolution?

Just curious how long we can keep this thing going with so much failed prediction behind us.

Posted: **April 23rd, 2018, 10:57 am**

these are the latter days. when the last days come, the proper false prophets will put pathetic charletans like Rowe to shame.

the ability to call down fire from heaven, as cited in the Revelation of John in reference to the false christ of the endtime, is a lot more compelling than making contradictory, incoherent podcasts. no one will care about julie.

Posted: **April 23rd, 2018, 3:46 pm**

shadow wrote: ↑April 23rd, 2018, 10:08 am I have no doubt that people are having visions. I have no doubt people have false visions. I have no doubt that people claim to have had visions when they didn't. Julie, Hector, Menet and others are all false prophets. The scriptures warn us of false prophets so I suppose it's our task to judge. I don't judge them against perfection, we all fall short of that. I judge them from their fruits, which is something we're supposed to do. Their fruits are bad. Every one of them. I'm not saying they are bad people, I'm saying their ability to prophecy stinks. I don't know if they're liars or if they actually believe they've had visions but the end result is they've been wrong 100% of the time. Visions from God aren't false.

There is a difference between true prophets and false prophets.

Thus saith the Lord of hosts, Hearken not unto the words of the prophets that prophesy unto you: they make you vain: they speak a vision of their own heart, and not out of the mouth of the Lord.

I have a serious problem with what you stated. A misinterpreted/misunderstood and or variable timetable is not a bad fruit.

Nobody is talking about the result of their dreams and visions. No one is talking about the thousands of people who had a change of heart, repented, forsook wordly things, reprioritized their lives to be more in harmony with the gospel- things that many have felt and dreamed are the reason the calamities have not yet begun. You are all obsessed over a timeline that never existed in the first place and about which all of the above visionaries have admitted their confusion and are themselves upset about. These things are ALL going to happen and SOON. How soon is SOON? I don't know. Joseph Smith was convinced the Second Coming was only a few years away when he was still in the process of restoring the church.

Posted: **April 24th, 2018, 6:38 am**

The Airbender wrote: ↑April 23rd, 2018, 3:46 pm
shadow wrote: ↑April 23rd, 2018, 10:08 am I have no doubt that people are having visions. I have no doubt people have false visions. I have no doubt that people claim to have had visions when they didn't. Julie, Hector, Menet and others are all false prophets. The scriptures warn us of false prophets so I suppose it's our task to judge. I don't judge them against perfection, we all fall short of that. I judge them from their fruits, which is something we're supposed to do. Their fruits are bad. Every one of them. I'm not saying they are bad people, I'm saying their ability to prophecy stinks. I don't know if they're liars or if they actually believe they've had visions but the end result is they've been wrong 100% of the time. Visions from God aren't false.

There is a difference between true prophets and false prophets.

Thus saith the Lord of hosts, Hearken not unto the words of the prophets that prophesy unto you: they make you vain: they speak a vision of their own heart, and not out of the mouth of the Lord.
I have a serious problem with what you stated. A misinterpreted/misunderstood and or variable timetable is not a bad fruit.

Nobody is talking about the result of their dreams and visions. No one is talking about the thousands of people who had a change of heart, repented, forsook wordly things, reprioritized their lives to be more in harmony with the gospel- things that many have felt and dreamed are the reason the calamities have not yet begun. You are all obsessed over a timeline that never existed in the first place and about which all of the above visionaries have admitted their confusion and are themselves upset about. These things are ALL going to happen and SOON. How soon is SOON? I don't know. Joseph Smith was convinced the Second Coming was only a few years away when he was still in the process of restoring the church.

Julie's claim to fame was that she could predict the time things would happen.

Posted: **April 24th, 2018, 9:50 am**

The Airbender wrote: ↑April 23rd, 2018, 3:46 pm These things are ALL going to happen and SOON. How soon is SOON? I don't know.

Oh, I know- Imminently soon! Before the 2016 elections, that's how soon. Like any day. It's so soon that Julie won't have time to do another interview like she claimed back in the spring of 2016- 2 years ago.
The issue with her claim that the Mormon shake and quake will be before the 2016 elections is that Sosa claimed there wouldn't be a 2016 election. Yes, I'm pitting one false prophet against another

AVOW folks need a dose of discernment and a shot of reality. For $45 I can help. For additional funds I can allow you into a secret group of those who are in the know so you too can be in the know, if you know what I mean

Mingle with the folks that Prophets and Apostles will come to for help. We're that good! You can reserve a seat on the CTD (Cholera, Typhoid, and Dysentery) Express bus for $1500. It's worth it, you do not want to be left with the gangs and the destruction that will come soon, like any day. Reserve now and you'll get a free ticket to the Joan of Arc show.

Posted: **April 24th, 2018, 10:07 am**

The Airbender wrote: ↑April 23rd, 2018, 3:46 pm
shadow wrote: ↑April 23rd, 2018, 10:08 am I have no doubt that people are having visions. I have no doubt people have false visions. I have no doubt that people claim to have had visions when they didn't. Julie, Hector, Menet and others are all false prophets. The scriptures warn us of false prophets so I suppose it's our task to judge. I don't judge them against perfection, we all fall short of that. I judge them from their fruits, which is something we're supposed to do. Their fruits are bad. Every one of them. I'm not saying they are bad people, I'm saying their ability to prophecy stinks. I don't know if they're liars or if they actually believe they've had visions but the end result is they've been wrong 100% of the time. Visions from God aren't false.

There is a difference between true prophets and false prophets.

Thus saith the Lord of hosts, Hearken not unto the words of the prophets that prophesy unto you: they make you vain: they speak a vision of their own heart, and not out of the mouth of the Lord.
I have a serious problem with what you stated. A misinterpreted/misunderstood and or variable timetable is not a bad fruit.

Nobody is talking about the result of their dreams and visions. No one is talking about the thousands of people who had a change of heart, repented, forsook wordly things, reprioritized their lives to be more in harmony with the gospel- things that many have felt and dreamed are the reason the calamities have not yet begun. You are all obsessed over a timeline that never existed in the first place and about which all of the above visionaries have admitted their confusion and are themselves upset about. These things are ALL going to happen and SOON. How soon is SOON? I don't know. Joseph Smith was convinced the Second Coming was only a few years away when he was still in the process of restoring the church.

If that is true, where are the examples of Joseph Smith telling his followers that the second coming was going to happen in a few years? I don't know of any times he said that. The closest he ever came was with the answer that if he lived to be 80 he'd see the Lord's face. Joseph himself admitted he was confused over the meaning of this statement. In reference to the second coming, Joseph Smith jr. knew that it was the Lord's timetable and that the Lord would come 'as a thief in the night' and he didn't make prophecies which came from his own thoughts.

We aren't 'obsessed over a timeline that never existed', we've actually listened to what she's said and we know she's been wrong in the things she's said. Did you listen to her last radio interview? It was full of false predictions with a timeline. If you were interested in actually testing her on what she's said, you could read the many threads over the years which show her 'fruits'--which are that she's been wrong in all her predictions. But, you are free to believe her, just don't try to compare her to a real Prophet of God.

Posted: **April 24th, 2018, 2:17 pm**

There will always be be gullible people who believe in any utterances from supernatural beings.

Patriot16

Posted: **April 25th, 2018, 11:45 am**

shadow wrote: ↑April 23rd, 2018, 10:08 am I have no doubt that people are having visions. I have no doubt people have false visions. I have no doubt that people claim to have had visions when they didn't. Julie, Hector, Menet and others are all false prophets. The scriptures warn us of false prophets so I suppose it's our task to judge. I don't judge them against perfection, we all fall short of that. I judge them from their fruits, which is something we're supposed to do. Their fruits are bad. Every one of them. I'm not saying they are bad people, I'm saying their ability to prophecy stinks. I don't know if they're liars or if they actually believe they've had visions but the end result is they've been wrong 100% of the time. Visions from God aren't false.

There is a difference between true prophets and false prophets.

Thus saith the Lord of hosts, Hearken not unto the words of the prophets that prophesy unto you: they make you vain: they speak a vision of their own heart, and not out of the mouth of the Lord.

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1. NO ONE ever claimed these people were prophets, especially them. - so why are you ?
2. whoever said that ALL these dreams visions - whatever - need to be labeled as revelations from God.
3. Julie, Hector, Menet and others are NOT prophets - nor claim to be. it's your false accusation of them.
4. Fact - Ordinary people can see the future sometimes through their dreams, visions, NDE,
whether you like it or not.
and by doing so, that doesn't mean they're prophets and have received some revelation from God.
but maybe they did, who are we to say they didn't.

Posted: **April 25th, 2018, 12:15 pm**

I AM wrote: ↑April 25th, 2018, 11:45 am
shadow wrote: ↑April 23rd, 2018, 10:08 am I have no doubt that people are having visions. I have no doubt people have false visions. I have no doubt that people claim to have had visions when they didn't. Julie, Hector, Menet and others are all false prophets. The scriptures warn us of false prophets so I suppose it's our task to judge. I don't judge them against perfection, we all fall short of that. I judge them from their fruits, which is something we're supposed to do. Their fruits are bad. Every one of them. I'm not saying they are bad people, I'm saying their ability to prophecy stinks. I don't know if they're liars or if they actually believe they've had visions but the end result is they've been wrong 100% of the time. Visions from God aren't false.

There is a difference between true prophets and false prophets.

Thus saith the Lord of hosts, Hearken not unto the words of the prophets that prophesy unto you: they make you vain: they speak a vision of their own heart, and not out of the mouth of the Lord.
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1. NO ONE ever claimed these people were prophets, especially them. - so why are you ? The very definition of prophets includes prophesying or predicting the future.
2. whoever said that ALL these dreams visions - whatever - need to be labeled as revelations from God. They claimed the visions dreams or whatever came from God. Or rather, were revealed to them by God or his servants.
3. Julie, Hector, Menet and others are NOT prophets - nor claim to be. it's your false accusation of them. They prophesy, or so they claim to.
4. Fact - Ordinary people can see the future sometimes through their dreams, visions, NDE,
whether you like it or not. Absoulutely. It's happened to me. People can also CLAIM they've seen the future when, in fact, they have not. How can we know if they're right or wrong? Simple- do their prophesies come to pass when and how they said they would.
and by doing so, that doesn't mean they're prophets and have received some revelation from God. Sure it does. They're either true prophets or false prophets.
but maybe they did, who are we to say they didn't. It's very easy to say if they did or didn't. Their predictions either happen or they don't. It's not that hard to figure out.

Posted: **April 26th, 2018, 12:02 pm**

I AM wrote: ↑April 25th, 2018, 11:45 am 1. NO ONE ever claimed these people were prophets, especially them. - so why are you ?
2. whoever said that ALL these dreams visions - whatever - need to be labeled as revelations from God.
3. Julie, Hector, Menet and others are NOT prophets - nor claim to be. it's your false accusation of them.
4. Fact - Ordinary people can see the future sometimes through their dreams, visions, NDE,
whether you like it or not.
and by doing so, that doesn't mean they're prophets and have received some revelation from God.
but maybe they did, who are we to say they didn't.

I agree with shadow.

A common definition of a prophet is a person who prophesies. It is irrelevant whether the prophesying is based on whisperings of the Spirits, visitations of angels, or dreams.
Or in case of false prophets the prophesying might be based on vivid imagination. But if the person pretends to prophesy, then that person still is a prophet, just a false one.

What is your definition of a prophet?

Posted: **April 26th, 2018, 7:21 pm**

inho wrote: ↑April 26th, 2018, 12:02 pm
I AM wrote: ↑April 25th, 2018, 11:45 am 1. NO ONE ever claimed these people were prophets, especially them. - so why are you ?
2. whoever said that ALL these dreams visions - whatever - need to be labeled as revelations from God.
3. Julie, Hector, Menet and others are NOT prophets - nor claim to be. it's your false accusation of them.
4. Fact - Ordinary people can see the future sometimes through their dreams, visions, NDE,
whether you like it or not.
and by doing so, that doesn't mean they're prophets and have received some revelation from God.
but maybe they did, who are we to say they didn't.
I agree with shadow.

A common definition of a prophet is a person who prophesies. It is irrelevant whether the prophesying is based on whisperings of the Spirits, visitations of angels, or dreams.
Or in case of false prophets the prophesying might be based on vivid imagination. But if the person pretends to prophesy, then that person still is a prophet, just a false one.

What is your definition of a prophet?

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who's talking about a prophet, you are, I'm not.
If common people like myself, and my family for that matter
have dreams about the future and talk about it,
then I guess we're guilty of being prophets, come on ... "yep, I'm a false prophet"
I've had dreams of the future and told others about them.
Some have come to pass - some haven't. give me a break.

Posted: **June 15th, 2018, 3:51 pm**

She's baaaack....

Email I rec'd today from her mouthpiece -

Book Signing Event
by Eric Smith

Hi friends.
We are happy to announce the release of "Rising Above the Flames - My Untold Story Julie Rowe as told to Eric Smith". Julie's biography is scheduled for a late June 2018 release in conjunction with Chad Daybell's long awaited fourth novel in his Times of Turmoil series, Reclaiming Liberty.
These and other books will be available on Amazon like usual, and will also be available at an upcoming book signing event in Sugar City, Idaho, on June 3o, 2018. The time and location will soon be announced.
This free event is open to the public; no tickets are needed. Please come and enjoy some time with us, we look forward to meeting you! (NOTE: Security will be on site)
Your friends,
Julie and Eric
Eric Smith | June 15, 2018 at 12:35 pm

Posted: **June 15th, 2018, 3:53 pm**

The book needs to be re named.... Going Down in Flames!!

Posted: **June 15th, 2018, 4:10 pm**

Mcox wrote: ↑June 15th, 2018, 3:53 pm The book needs to be re named.... Going Down in Flames!!

Or perhaps, "Not with a bang but a whimper". And "Security will be on site" - what possible reason would she need security for? It's just sad at this point.

Posted: **June 15th, 2018, 4:17 pm**

EmmaLee wrote: ↑June 15th, 2018, 4:10 pm
Mcox wrote: ↑June 15th, 2018, 3:53 pm The book needs to be re named.... Going Down in Flames!!
Or perhaps, "Not with a bang but a whimper". And "Security will be on site" - what possible reason would she need security for? It's just sad at this point.

Fend off those that may ask tough questions; right out of the Hilary playbook.

Posted: **June 15th, 2018, 4:51 pm**

EmmaLee wrote: ↑June 15th, 2018, 3:51 pm She's baaaack....

Email I rec'd today from her mouthpiece -

Book Signing Event
by Eric Smith

Hi friends.
We are happy to announce the release of "Rising Above the Flames - My Untold Story Julie Rowe as told to Eric Smith". Julie's biography is scheduled for a late June 2018 release in conjunction with Chad Daybell's long awaited fourth novel in his Times of Turmoil series, Reclaiming Liberty.
These and other books will be available on Amazon like usual, and will also be available at an upcoming book signing event in Sugar City, Idaho, on June 3o, 2018. The time and location will soon be announced.
This free event is open to the public; no tickets are needed. Please come and enjoy some time with us, we look forward to meeting you! (NOTE: Security will be on site)
Your friends,
Julie and Eric
Eric Smith | June 15, 2018 at 12:35 pm

FINALLY something actually fun to talk about on this forum!

Posted: **June 15th, 2018, 5:30 pm**

why do people care about this lady? 12 pages of comments for a charlatan?

Posted: **June 15th, 2018, 9:07 pm**

abijah wrote: ↑June 15th, 2018, 5:30 pm why do people care about this lady? 12 pages of comments for a charlatan?

Because this is the only place that sheds true light on her and how she is deceiving people. I received some private messages explaining why so many AVOW are touchy about her. Some defend her because they invested in her charity.

Her recent prediction that the earthquake was going to happen this spring 2018, only has 6 days to come pass. If any of you listen to her last podcast, she said she would not make any more podcast to after earthquake! So she has been silent. Here we go again!

I guess she will keep making her prediction every two years to get credit if it ever happens.

Posted: **June 16th, 2018, 3:56 am**

EmmaLee wrote: ↑June 15th, 2018, 3:51 pm We are happy to announce the release of "Rising Above the Flames - My Untold Story Julie Rowe as told to Eric Smith".

Some untold stories should be left untold.

Posted: **June 16th, 2018, 10:52 am**

evejaa wrote: ↑June 15th, 2018, 9:07 pm
abijah wrote: ↑June 15th, 2018, 5:30 pm why do people care about this lady? 12 pages of comments for a charlatan?
Because this is the only place that sheds true light on her and how she is deceiving people. I received some private messages explaining why so many AVOW are touchy about her. Some defend her because they invested in her charity.

Her recent prediction that the earthquake was going to happen this spring 2018, only has 6 days to come pass. If any of you listen to her last podcast, she said she would not make any more podcast to after earthquake! So she has been silent. Here we go again!

I guess she will keep making her prediction every two years to get credit if it ever happens.

She predicted an earthquake again? *smh*

Posted: **June 21st, 2018, 4:48 pm**

And another email today. Guess funds are getting low... (or maybe a vacation is imminent - unlike the earthquake - and needs to be paid for) -

Schedule an Energy Session!
by Eric Smith

Julie is now accepting new clients for energy sessions Appointments are now available starting in early July for new and repeat clients.
Her schedule fills up quickly so if you are interested in booking a session don't delay! Dates and Times vary.
Using a variety of modalities she specializes in addiction recovery, trauma, marriage and family, and mental, emotional and physical health challenges.
Now offering discount packages you can schedule one or more sessions now or redeem later.
Click here for more information and to view her calendar to schedule a session
Eric Smith | June 21, 2018 at 6:30 am

Posted: **June 21st, 2018, 4:49 pm**

And yet another email!

Get books 2 weeks sooner!!
by Eric Smith

After yesterday's post announcing Julie and Chad's most recent books, an alternate and quicker way to get them came to our attention.
Amazon will ship books starting on July 16th, but the AVOW bookstore will ship on July 2nd and will be autographed copies. Updated links are posted below:
Rising Above the Flames info sheet
Order from AVOW
Order from Amazon

Reclaiming Liberty info sheet
Order through AVOW
Order through Amazon

Eric Smith | June 21, 2018 at 6:41 pm

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