Julie Rowe - any true believers left?

[The Airbender]

Emwhisman,
Thanks for the reply. I’m interested in the doctrine of the good energy healing. I’m pretty sure that muscle testing and clearing emotions is not in line with church doctrine. If this was of God, wouldn’t we be taught muscle testing in church?

In the church we are still trying to get people to believe God loves them and has a plan for them.

I wish it was the ideal place to teach about healing spirit and body, but, sadly, it isn't. But maybe it's supposed to be that way.

[The Airbender]

I received a testimony of the truthfulness of the identity and mission, as well as words of Julie Rowe in the same way I received a testimony of the truthfulness of the Book of Mormon.

Doesn't matter what anyone else believes. I have my own answer straight from the source.

[I AM]

Quoted by thisispartaa: “It shall not be given to any one to go forth to preach my gospel, or to build up my church, except he be ordained by someone who has authority, and it is known to the church that he has authority and has been regularly ordained by the heads of the church.” (D&C 42:11)


Then by all means do not be a member missionary. Do not utter one word of the truth of the Gospel to anyone unless you have been ordained by the heads of the church. You my friend, have taken that scripture out of context. Not relevant.

Please read the whole revelation. Missionary efforts are coordinated through the priesthood by those with the appropriate keys. Member missionary work is coordinated as such and members are accountable to local leadership who hold the stewardship and keys. Full time missionaries are accountable to mission presidents, who hold stewardship and keys as well.

JR claims special revelation that is outside this stewardship. One can know this is false because it is not disseminated through the proper channels to the body of the church. If what she says is true, it would be acted upon by those with the keys.

She also claims power outside of priesthood (i.e. healings via energy healing), which she has claimed would be in tent cities. This should be a HUGE red flag to anyone listening to her.

Her teachings are a counterfeit and lead people to look toward her as the one with the answer. The very nature of her supposed revelations by definition necessitates one to depend on her for what is next. She sensationalizes accounts, purportedly giving more revelation than what we read and hear from the Prophets.

But above it all, she says things will happen and they don’t. There’s plenty of discussion on the board about her failed prophecies.

A, I'm afraid we as LDS don't have the corner on the market when it comes to revelation
and receiving inspiration from the Lord.

For those of you who think that the prophet is
the only one who can or should receive revelation
and can prophecy please read the scriptures below.

The Acts of the Apostles
Chapter 2

17 And it shall come to pass in the last days,
saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh:
and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy,
and your young men shall see visions,
and your old men shall dream dreams:

18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens
I will pour out in those days of my Spirit;
and they shall prophesy:

[mirkwood]

I received a testimony of the truthfulness of the identity and mission, as well as words of Julie Rowe in the same way I received a testimony of the truthfulness of the Book of Mormon.

Doesn't matter what anyone else believes. I have my own answer straight from the source.

When is the Wasatch wakeup? I either missed it or maybe she did. Maybe you can help me out here since you have a witness of her truthfulness.

[Older/wiser?]

Quoted above is The Acts 2 v 17-18 if you note verse 16 quotes Joel, then the foot notes of verse 17 where it states pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: refers us to Joel 2:28 now let’s look at Joel 2:28 And it shall come to pass AFTERWARD, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; AFTERWARD after what ?read the above verses about all the things that are restored the rains, v25 And I will restore to you the years that the locust hath eaten, the cankerworm, and the caterpillar, the palmerworm, my great army which I sent among you. V26 And ye shall eat in plenty, and be satisfied, and praise the name of the Lord your God, that hath dealt wondrously with you: and my people shall never be ashamed. V27 And ye shall know that I am in the midst of Israel, and that I am the Lord your God , and none else: and my people shall never be ashamed v28 And it shall come to pass AFTERWARD, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh;. I get a little tired of people pulling out this verse and referencing it to justify JR. This spirit that is poured out upon all flesh comes after the years of plaques are restored to the people, all flesh receives of it. I don’t believe we have experienced the trials and tribulations that bring about this spiritual manifestation let alone experienced the restoration for the years of tribulation. So please if you want to justify JR quote something else, because I just don’t see fulfillment in these verses.

[Gage]

For those of you who think that the prophet is
the only one who can or should receive revelation
and can prophecy please read the scriptures below.

The Acts of the Apostles
Chapter 2

17 And it shall come to pass in the last days,
saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh:
and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy,
and your young men shall see visions,
and your old men shall dream dreams:

18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens
I will pour out in those days of my Spirit;
and they shall prophesy:
[/quote]


These scriptures are not talking of people receiving revelation and prophecy of earthquakes and tent cities so they can warn us by writing and selling books, its talking about some seeing visions and dreams of the spread of the Gospel and feeling the Spirit and testifying to the truth.

[The Airbender]

I received a testimony of the truthfulness of the identity and mission, as well as words of Julie Rowe in the same way I received a testimony of the truthfulness of the Book of Mormon.

Doesn't matter what anyone else believes. I have my own answer straight from the source.

When is the Wasatch wakeup? I either missed it or maybe she did. Maybe you can help me out here since you have a witness of her truthfulness.

It starts when it begins ; )

[thisisspartaaa]

Quoted by thisispartaa: “It shall not be given to any one to go forth to preach my gospel, or to build up my church, except he be ordained by someone who has authority, and it is known to the church that he has authority and has been regularly ordained by the heads of the church.” (D&C 42:11)


Then by all means do not be a member missionary. Do not utter one word of the truth of the Gospel to anyone unless you have been ordained by the heads of the church. You my friend, have taken that scripture out of context. Not relevant.

Please read the whole revelation. Missionary efforts are coordinated through the priesthood by those with the appropriate keys. Member missionary work is coordinated as such and members are accountable to local leadership who hold the stewardship and keys. Full time missionaries are accountable to mission presidents, who hold stewardship and keys as well.

JR claims special revelation that is outside this stewardship. One can know this is false because it is not disseminated through the proper channels to the body of the church. If what she says is true, it would be acted upon by those with the keys.

She also claims power outside of priesthood (i.e. healings via energy healing), which she has claimed would be in tent cities. This should be a HUGE red flag to anyone listening to her.

Her teachings are a counterfeit and lead people to look toward her as the one with the answer. The very nature of her supposed revelations by definition necessitates one to depend on her for what is next. She sensationalizes accounts, purportedly giving more revelation than what we read and hear from the Prophets.

But above it all, she says things will happen and they don’t. There’s plenty of discussion on the board about her failed prophecies.

A, I'm afraid we as LDS don't have the corner on the market when it comes to revelation
and receiving inspiration from the Lord.

For those of you who think that the prophet is
the only one who can or should receive revelation
and can prophecy please read the scriptures below.

The Acts of the Apostles
Chapter 2

17 And it shall come to pass in the last days,
saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh:
and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy,
and your young men shall see visions,
and your old men shall dream dreams:

18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens
I will pour out in those days of my Spirit;
and they shall prophesy:

You’re changing the argument. The prophet is the one to speak for the world. Not JR.

She has no business saying what will happen to people outside her stewardship. When someone does that, you can know the source is false.

[mirkwood]

It starts when it begins ; )

Boy are you stubborn. Or deluded. Or both.

[The Airbender]

It starts when it begins ; )

Boy are you stubborn. Or deluded. Or both.

Or both.

[evejaa]

[/quote]You're changing the argument. The prophet is the one to speak for the world. Not JR.

She has no business saying what will happen to people outside her stewardship. When someone does that, you can know the source is false.
[/quote]

You are right. If we follow the Prophet, we will be right with God. If people follow JR, then they will be risking their eternal soul. You can't serve two Masters!! And know our Master is true.

Julie on the hand, keeps saying some crazy things, like in the future she will be shot...then she will be brought back to life!
She says, she will be snot a second time and brought back.

Now I don't know about you..but that is crazy and i think if people stop and about this one statement, the lightbulb should go on and those believers should be like, "peace out".

[simpleton]

Every few posts, need to put in a reminder for the JR fans...

“A man must have the discerning of spirits before he can drag into daylight this hellish influence and unfold it unto the world in all its soul-destroying, diabolical, and horrid colors; for nothing is a greater injury to the children of men than to be under the influence of a false spirit when they think they have the Spirit of God".....

[I AM]

Quoted above is The Acts 2 v 17-18 if you note verse 16 quotes Joel, then the foot notes of verse 17 where it states pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: refers us to Joel 2:28 now let’s look at Joel 2:28 And it shall come to pass AFTERWARD, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; AFTERWARD after what ?read the above verses about all the things that are restored the rains, v25 And I will restore to you the years that the locust hath eaten, the cankerworm, and the caterpillar, the palmerworm, my great army which I sent among you. V26 And ye shall eat in plenty, and be satisfied, and praise the name of the Lord your God, that hath dealt wondrously with you: and my people shall never be ashamed. V27 And ye shall know that I am in the midst of Israel, and that I am the Lord your God , and none else: and my people shall never be ashamed v28 And it shall come to pass AFTERWARD, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh;. I get a little tired of people pulling out this verse and referencing it to justify JR. This spirit that is poured out upon all flesh comes after the years of plaques are restored to the people, all flesh receives of it. I don’t believe we have experienced the trials and tribulations that bring about this spiritual manifestation let alone experienced the restoration for the years of tribulation. So please if you want to justify JR quote something else, because I just don’t see fulfillment in these verses.

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Actually, I could care less about JR
My point was that she, or ANYONE else can receive inspiration from the Lord and a
pouring out of His Spirit, "and they shall prophesy".
Whether or not this particular scripture is talking about right now or later
does't really matter.
But I DO believe the Lord at this time IS pouring out of His Spirit upon all flesh,
to those who can listen to that still small voice and receive His spirit.

[The Airbender]

You're changing the argument. The prophet is the one to speak for the world. Not JR.

She has no business saying what will happen to people outside her stewardship. When someone does that, you can know the source is false.
[/quote]

You are right. If we follow the Prophet, we will be right with God. If people follow JR, then they will be risking their eternal soul. You can't serve two Masters!! And know our Master is true.

Julie on the hand, keeps saying some crazy things, like in the future she will be shot...then she will be brought back to life!
She says, she will be snot a second time and brought back.

Now I don't know about you..but that is crazy and i think if people stop and about this one statement, the lightbulb should go on and those believers should be like, "peace out".
[/quote]

Yes, indeed. Raising someone from the dead is something only Satan could do.

[Onsdag]

Yes, indeed. Raising someone from the dead is something only Satan could do.

My friend, do not underestimate the power of Satan or you may find that it is you who has been deceived:

https://ldsfreedomforum.com/viewtopic.p ... 3&p=781036

[AI2.0]

You're changing the argument. The prophet is the one to speak for the world. Not JR.

She has no business saying what will happen to people outside her stewardship. When someone does that, you can know the source is false.

You are right. If we follow the Prophet, we will be right with God. If people follow JR, then they will be risking their eternal soul. You can't serve two Masters!! And know our Master is true.

Julie on the hand, keeps saying some crazy things, like in the future she will be shot...then she will be brought back to life!
She says, she will be snot a second time and brought back.

Now I don't know about you..but that is crazy and i think if people stop and about this one statement, the lightbulb should go on and those believers should be like, "peace out".
[/quote]

Yes, indeed. Raising someone from the dead is something only Satan could do.
[/quote]

Are you trying to be sarcastic?

Airbender, do you believe Julie Rowe will be shot and then brought back to life--and later translated? Also, do you think that this is a reasonable thing to tell the world, even if you believed this of yourself, do you think it is wise to share something like this? It sounds delusional.

Keep in mind, Julie Rowe has made numerous predictions and they've never come true--the time for them has come and passed, yet she continues to do so, never questioning herself if maybe she's deluded. Now she's made this prediction. From her podcasts, it's clear she's intimating that her 'wasatch wakeup' earthquake is coming this spring. We've only got April and May to go and then once more, she'll be proven wrong. Then her whole timeline is off. No tent cities next spring of 2019--announced by Pres. Nelson in the Fall. No earthquake a year from now, no foreign troops either and no Julie Rowe being shot by people she knows. I'm pretty sure she gave this whole timeline in her last podcast, #60, if you care to listen to it.

If you listen to her, she sounds like an intelligent, reasonable person--but then listen to the things she's actually saying and you will see that something definitely is not right with her.

[AI2.0]

Quoted above is The Acts 2 v 17-18 if you note verse 16 quotes Joel, then the foot notes of verse 17 where it states pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: refers us to Joel 2:28 now let’s look at Joel 2:28 And it shall come to pass AFTERWARD, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; AFTERWARD after what ?read the above verses about all the things that are restored the rains, v25 And I will restore to you the years that the locust hath eaten, the cankerworm, and the caterpillar, the palmerworm, my great army which I sent among you. V26 And ye shall eat in plenty, and be satisfied, and praise the name of the Lord your God, that hath dealt wondrously with you: and my people shall never be ashamed. V27 And ye shall know that I am in the midst of Israel, and that I am the Lord your God , and none else: and my people shall never be ashamed v28 And it shall come to pass AFTERWARD, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh;. I get a little tired of people pulling out this verse and referencing it to justify JR. This spirit that is poured out upon all flesh comes after the years of plaques are restored to the people, all flesh receives of it. I don’t believe we have experienced the trials and tribulations that bring about this spiritual manifestation let alone experienced the restoration for the years of tribulation. So please if you want to justify JR quote something else, because I just don’t see fulfillment in these verses.

---------------------------------------------
Actually, I could care less about JR
My point was that she, or ANYONE else can receive inspiration from the Lord and a
pouring out of His Spirit, "and they shall prophesy".
Whether or not this particular scripture is talking about right now or later
does't really matter.
But I DO believe the Lord at this time IS pouring out of His Spirit upon all flesh,
to those who can listen to that still small voice and receive His spirit.

That's true, but don't forget that one particular element about the last days which the Savior warned of and so many like to ignore. The rise of false prophets and false teachers. They will also be prevalent, because not all are being influenced by the spirit of truth, in fact, Satan will rage in the hearts of many and if possible, even the very elect will be deceived.

'By their fruits shall ye know them'.

[The Airbender]

You're changing the argument. The prophet is the one to speak for the world. Not JR.

She has no business saying what will happen to people outside her stewardship. When someone does that, you can know the source is false.

You are right. If we follow the Prophet, we will be right with God. If people follow JR, then they will be risking their eternal soul. You can't serve two Masters!! And know our Master is true.

Julie on the hand, keeps saying some crazy things, like in the future she will be shot...then she will be brought back to life!
She says, she will be snot a second time and brought back.

Now I don't know about you..but that is crazy and i think if people stop and about this one statement, the lightbulb should go on and those believers should be like, "peace out".

Yes, indeed. Raising someone from the dead is something only Satan could do.
[/quote]

Are you trying to be sarcastic?

No

Airbender, do you believe Julie Rowe will be shot and then brought back to life--and later translated?

Yes, I do.

Also, do you think that this is a reasonable thing to tell the world, even if you believed this of yourself, do you think it is wise to share something like this? It sounds delusional.

It wouldn't be the first time someone has foretold how they would die or that they would be brought back to life.

Keep in mind, Julie Rowe has made numerous predictions and they've never come true--the time for them has come and passedAccording to...?, yet she continues to do so, never questioning herself if maybe she's deluded. Now she's made this prediction. From her podcasts, it's clear she's intimating that her 'wasatch wakeup' earthquake is coming this spring. We've only got April and May to go and then once more, she'll be proven wrong. Then her whole timeline is off. Yes, but not for the first time No tent cities next spring of 2019--announced by Pres. Nelson in the Fall. No earthquake a year from now, no foreign troops either and no Julie Rowe being shot by people she knows. I'm pretty sure she gave this whole timeline in her last podcast, #60, if you care to listen to it. I've listened to it.

If you listen to her, she sounds like an intelligent, reasonable person--but then listen to the things she's actually saying and you will see that something definitely is not right with her. "Not right, according to...?
[/quote]

Something you must take into account is that the Lord sometimes gives warnings and the warnings cause people to repent. Sometimes the sword of destruction hangs over people, they repent, and it doesn't fall.

Jonah was angry that the people of Ninevah repented because he knew of the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah and he had a front row seat to see the same happen to Ninevah. The people repented and the Lord withdrew his destruction.

It would be wise for everyone who can't stop taking shots at Julie to remember the council of Gamaliel:

"And now I say unto you, Refrain from these men, and let them alone: for if this counsel or this work be of men, it will come to nought: But if it be of God, ye cannot overthrow it; lest haply ye be found even to fight against God.

Most messengers sent from God are mocked, criticized, condemned, imprisoned and/or killed. It does not make sense according to history and the scriptures to make such a fuss over someone claiming they are sent from God unless you are one of those who would have stoned the prophets in time past. Name one time that someone who was simply deluded really did much damage. Only an Anti-Christ should be worried about so much. If you think her message is against God, Christ or the Church, then you do not understand her message.

Therefore, either she is of God and we should not fight against her, or she is deluded and her work will come to naught

[Mcox]

Air bender,
the council of Gamaliel has come to pass with Julie and other!

"And now I say unto you, Refrain from these men, and let them alone: for if this counsel or this work be of men, it will come to nought: But if it be of God, ye cannot overthrow it; lest haply ye be found even to fight against God.

All of their fortune telling, and false prophesying has come to naught! They have been wrong for the past 4 years or more. They have proven they are not of God! They are the ones fighting against God.

[Gage]

'By their fruits shall ye know them'.
[/quote]


Some Mormons cannot recognize false doctrine because they do not know sound and true doctrine because they do not know scriptures. Some also think that all Mormons are righteous and special. So if a Mormon sister comes out that she had visions then it must be true.

[AI2.0]

You're changing the argument. The prophet is the one to speak for the world. Not JR.

She has no business saying what will happen to people outside her stewardship. When someone does that, you can know the source is false.

You are right. If we follow the Prophet, we will be right with God. If people follow JR, then they will be risking their eternal soul. You can't serve two Masters!! And know our Master is true.

Julie on the hand, keeps saying some crazy things, like in the future she will be shot...then she will be brought back to life!
She says, she will be snot a second time and brought back.

Now I don't know about you..but that is crazy and i think if people stop and about this one statement, the lightbulb should go on and those believers should be like, "peace out".

Yes, indeed. Raising someone from the dead is something only Satan could do.

Are you trying to be sarcastic?

No

Airbender, do you believe Julie Rowe will be shot and then brought back to life--and later translated?

Yes, I do.

Also, do you think that this is a reasonable thing to tell the world, even if you believed this of yourself, do you think it is wise to share something like this? It sounds delusional.

It wouldn't be the first time someone has foretold how they would die or that they would be brought back to life.

Keep in mind, Julie Rowe has made numerous predictions and they've never come true--the time for them has come and passedAccording to...?, yet she continues to do so, never questioning herself if maybe she's deluded. Now she's made this prediction. From her podcasts, it's clear she's intimating that her 'wasatch wakeup' earthquake is coming this spring. We've only got April and May to go and then once more, she'll be proven wrong. Then her whole timeline is off. Yes, but not for the first time No tent cities next spring of 2019--announced by Pres. Nelson in the Fall. No earthquake a year from now, no foreign troops either and no Julie Rowe being shot by people she knows. I'm pretty sure she gave this whole timeline in her last podcast, #60, if you care to listen to it. I've listened to it.

If you listen to her, she sounds like an intelligent, reasonable person--but then listen to the things she's actually saying and you will see that something definitely is not right with her. "Not right, according to...?
[/quote]

Something you must take into account is that the Lord sometimes gives warnings and the warnings cause people to repent. Sometimes the sword of destruction hangs over people, they repent, and it doesn't fall.

Jonah was angry that the people of Ninevah repented because he knew of the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah and he had a front row seat to see the same happen to Ninevah. The people repented and the Lord withdrew his destruction.

It would be wise for everyone who can't stop taking shots at Julie to remember the council of Gamaliel:

"And now I say unto you, Refrain from these men, and let them alone: for if this counsel or this work be of men, it will come to nought: But if it be of God, ye cannot overthrow it; lest haply ye be found even to fight against God.

Most messengers sent from God are mocked, criticized, condemned, imprisoned and/or killed. It does not make sense according to history and the scriptures to make such a fuss over someone claiming they are sent from God unless you are one of those who would have stoned the prophets in time past. Name one time that someone who was simply deluded really did much damage. Only an Anti-Christ should be worried about so much. If you think her message is against God, Christ or the Church, then you do not understand her message.

Therefore, either she is of God and we should not fight against her, or she is deluded and her work will come to naught
[/quote]

Thank you for your responses.

So first, you said this;

Yes, indeed. Raising someone from the dead is something only Satan could do.

You say you are being sincere when you say this, so I ask you;

Satan can raise the dead????? What church do you belong to, because it sure isn't the LDS church. Where did you get this idea? Satan has no power over life and death, he cannot raise the dead. If you believe that, I think you are watching too many horror movies and are having trouble with what's real and what's fantasy.



You are right, people have been known to foretell their own death, and turned out to be correct.

But, you do know that Julie Rowe has not foretold anything correctly yet. She has a proven track record of being wrong and she's paranoid. She's displayed a pattern of paranoia that is clear. There's no valid reason to even give her the benefit of the doubt.

And, claiming that you are going to be brought back to life after being murdered--that's more than just foretelling one's death.

I think you are wrong to believe a deluded person can do no damage.

And, the excuse you give, that her predictions haven't happened because people repented and are given more time, those are the same excuses made by other false prophets and their deluded followers.

If you are LDS, I don't know how you can justify putting your trust and belief in her given Elder Ballard's clear warning. He said:

We must be careful where our footsteps in life take us. We must be watchful and heed the counsel of Jesus to His disciples as He answered these questions: “Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

“And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man [and I add woman] deceive you.”9

Today I repeat earlier counsel from Church leaders.

Brothers and sisters, keep the doctrine of Christ pure and never be deceived by those who tamper with the doctrine. The gospel of the Father and the Son was restored through Joseph Smith, the prophet for this last dispensation.

Do not listen to those who have not been ordained and/or set apart to their Church calling and are not acknowledged by common consent of the members of the Church.10

Be aware of organizations, groups, or individuals claiming secret answers to doctrinal questions that they say today’s apostles and prophets do not have or understand.

Do not listen to those who entice you with get-rich schemes. Our members have lost far too much money, so be careful.

In some places, too many of our people are looking beyond the mark and seeking secret knowledge in expensive and questionable practices to provide healing and support.

An official Church statement, issued one year ago, states: “We urge Church members to be cautious about participating in any group that promises—in exchange for money—miraculous healings or that claims to have special methods for accessing healing power outside of properly ordained priesthood holders.”11

The Church Handbook counsels: “Members should not use medical or health practices that are ethically or legally questionable. Local leaders should advise members who have health problems to consult with competent professional practitioners who are licensed in the countries where they practice.”12

Brothers and sisters, be wise and aware that such practices may be emotionally appealing but may ultimately prove to be spiritually and physically harmful.

https://www.lds.org/general-conference/ ... s?lang=eng

When Elder Ballard interjected 'And I add-- WOMAN', you should have taken note, because IMO, he's referring to questionable modern soothsayers which includes Julie Rowe.

Has Julie Rowe been ordained/set apart to this calling by church leaders? No.

Has she been acknowledged by Common consent of the members of the church? No.

Does she offer healing power in exchange for money? Yes.

It's fact that the things Elder Ballard is warning about describe Julie Rowe. Right there, any LDS member should take Elder Ballard's advice and steer clear of Julie Rowe. Airbender, if you don't, then that's on you--you've been warned.

[abijah]

Yes indeed.

Point made, but I would submit Iro > Azulah > Aang.


not gonna lie, i loved that show!

[The Airbender]

You're changing the argument. The prophet is the one to speak for the world. Not JR.

She has no business saying what will happen to people outside her stewardship. When someone does that, you can know the source is false.

You are right. If we follow the Prophet, we will be right with God. If people follow JR, then they will be risking their eternal soul. You can't serve two Masters!! And know our Master is true.

Julie on the hand, keeps saying some crazy things, like in the future she will be shot...then she will be brought back to life!
She says, she will be snot a second time and brought back.

Now I don't know about you..but that is crazy and i think if people stop and about this one statement, the lightbulb should go on and those believers should be like, "peace out".

Yes, indeed. Raising someone from the dead is something only Satan could do.

Are you trying to be sarcastic?

No

Airbender, do you believe Julie Rowe will be shot and then brought back to life--and later translated?

Yes, I do.

Also, do you think that this is a reasonable thing to tell the world, even if you believed this of yourself, do you think it is wise to share something like this? It sounds delusional.

It wouldn't be the first time someone has foretold how they would die or that they would be brought back to life.

Keep in mind, Julie Rowe has made numerous predictions and they've never come true--the time for them has come and passedAccording to...?, yet she continues to do so, never questioning herself if maybe she's deluded. Now she's made this prediction. From her podcasts, it's clear she's intimating that her 'wasatch wakeup' earthquake is coming this spring. We've only got April and May to go and then once more, she'll be proven wrong. Then her whole timeline is off. Yes, but not for the first time No tent cities next spring of 2019--announced by Pres. Nelson in the Fall. No earthquake a year from now, no foreign troops either and no Julie Rowe being shot by people she knows. I'm pretty sure she gave this whole timeline in her last podcast, #60, if you care to listen to it. I've listened to it.

If you listen to her, she sounds like an intelligent, reasonable person--but then listen to the things she's actually saying and you will see that something definitely is not right with her. "Not right, according to...?

Something you must take into account is that the Lord sometimes gives warnings and the warnings cause people to repent. Sometimes the sword of destruction hangs over people, they repent, and it doesn't fall.

Jonah was angry that the people of Ninevah repented because he knew of the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah and he had a front row seat to see the same happen to Ninevah. The people repented and the Lord withdrew his destruction.

It would be wise for everyone who can't stop taking shots at Julie to remember the council of Gamaliel:

"And now I say unto you, Refrain from these men, and let them alone: for if this counsel or this work be of men, it will come to nought: But if it be of God, ye cannot overthrow it; lest haply ye be found even to fight against God.

Most messengers sent from God are mocked, criticized, condemned, imprisoned and/or killed. It does not make sense according to history and the scriptures to make such a fuss over someone claiming they are sent from God unless you are one of those who would have stoned the prophets in time past. Name one time that someone who was simply deluded really did much damage. Only an Anti-Christ should be worried about so much. If you think her message is against God, Christ or the Church, then you do not understand her message.

Therefore, either she is of God and we should not fight against her, or she is deluded and her work will come to naught
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Thank you for your responses.

So first, you said this;

Yes, indeed. Raising someone from the dead is something only Satan could do.

You say you are being sincere when you say this, so I ask you; This was not a sincere statement. It was supposed to be a sarcastic zinger.

Satan can raise the dead????? What church do you belong to, because it sure isn't the LDS church. Where did you get this idea? Satan has no power over life and death, he cannot raise the dead. If you believe that, I think you are watching too many horror movies and are having trouble with what's real and what's fantasy. I agree with you. If I believed that, I would have serious issues.



You are right, people have been known to foretell their own death, and turned out to be correct.

But, you do know that Julie Rowe has not foretold anything correctly yet. She has a proven track record of being wrong and she's paranoid. She's displayed a pattern of paranoia that is clear. There's no valid reason to even give her the benefit of the doubt.

Please give me one instance in which she claimed something would definitely happen at a certain time and then it didn't.

And, claiming that you are going to be brought back to life after being murdered--that's more than just foretelling one's death.

I think you are wrong to believe a deluded person can do no damage. You are free to think that. When did someone who was deluded but not malevolent do any damage?

And, the excuse you give, that her predictions haven't happened because people repented and are given more time, those are the same excuses made by other false prophets and their deluded followers. Who else has said that things didn't occur because people repented? I don't know of anyone else but you might. I know people like Warren Jeffs have claimed that miraculous things didn't occur - like Jeffs being released from prison - because the followers weren't faithful enough.

If you are LDS, I don't know how you can justify putting your trust and belief in her given Elder Ballard's clear warning. He said:

We must be careful where our footsteps in life take us. We must be watchful and heed the counsel of Jesus to His disciples as He answered these questions: “Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

“And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man [and I add woman] deceive you.”9

Today I repeat earlier counsel from Church leaders.

Brothers and sisters, keep the doctrine of Christ pure and never be deceived by those who tamper with the doctrine. The gospel of the Father and the Son was restored through Joseph Smith, the prophet for this last dispensation.

Do not listen to those who have not been ordained and/or set apart to their Church calling and are not acknowledged by common consent of the members of the Church.10

Be aware of organizations, groups, or individuals claiming secret answers to doctrinal questions that they say today’s apostles and prophets do not have or understand.

Do not listen to those who entice you with get-rich schemes. Our members have lost far too much money, so be careful.

In some places, too many of our people are looking beyond the mark and seeking secret knowledge inexpensive and questionable practices to provide healing and support.

An official Church statement, issued one year ago, states: “We urge Church members to be cautious about participating in any group that promises—in exchange for money—miraculous healings or that claims to have special methods for accessing healing power outside of properly ordained priesthood holders.”11

The Church Handbook counsels: “Members should not use medical or health practices that are ethically or legally questionable. Local leaders should advise members who have health problems to consult with competent professional practitioners who are licensed in the countries where they practice.”12

Brothers and sisters, be wise and aware that such practices may be emotionally appealing but may ultimately prove to be spiritually and physically harmful.

https://www.lds.org/general-conference/ ... s?lang=eng

When Elder Ballard interjected 'And I add-- WOMAN', you should have taken note, because IMO, he's referring to questionable modern soothsayers which includes Julie Rowe.

Yes, but that is your opinion. And it is the opinion of thousands of others. But since he didn't single out any one individual, it is not as "clear" as you said. There are other women who actually do claim to have special knowledge that the ordained leaders do not. I could be wrong, and will stand corrected, but I do no recall Julie ever claiming to know something the Prophet and Apostles don't. I don't recollect her ever stating anything along the lines of "You won't hear this from the Apostles. The closest thing she might have said is, "The prophet would probably like to say this but he can't because of the uproar it would cause among members, but it is written in such and such book of scripture." I'm paraphrasing heavily something she may or may not have said, of course.

Has Julie Rowe been ordained/set apart to this calling by church leaders? No. But she claims to have received her mission directly from the Lord, separate from the mission of the church. That's not really a debatable claim, except personally with the Holy Ghost. I think that is how it should be.

Has she been acknowledged by Common consent of the members of the church? No. Again, her mission is not directly related to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, so this isn't a concern anymore than it would be a concern if I started a blog about things the spirit has told me, under the direction of that spirit.

Does she offer healing power in exchange for money? Yes. No. She doesn't. Not in the way you think. This is a very controversial and misunderstood subject and cannot be understood by those who have never sought to understand it. There is no power in Julie. The power is in the body that God gave to each of us. It is asking for the Savior to intervene on our behalf. It is the power of faith. There are very bitter feelings that have been expressed on many different threads about this subject and people have already decided how they feel about it. My purpose is not to convice anyone whether or not this is something good. However, I find it 100% more ethical and honest than going to the doctor to get drugs to make us forget about the problem.

It's fact that the things Elder Ballard is warning about describe Julie Rowe. Right there, any LDS member should take Elder Ballard's advice and steer clear of Julie Rowe. Airbender, if you don't, then that's on you--you've been warned.
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It is, to those who don't understand what she teaches and what she is offering.

I ask you, what does someone have to lose by listening to her? What has she said that could cause anyone to lose their testimony in the prophet, church, or Savior? What has she said that has been anything but uplifting? Name just one thing.

[The Airbender]

Air bender,
the council of Gamaliel has come to pass with Julie and other!

"And now I say unto you, Refrain from these men, and let them alone: for if this counsel or this work be of men, it will come to nought: But if it be of God, ye cannot overthrow it; lest haply ye be found even to fight against God.

All of their fortune telling, and false prophesying has come to naught! They have been wrong for the past 4 years or more. They have proven they are not of God! They are the ones fighting against God.

Then there is nothing to worry about!

[The Airbender]

Yes indeed.

Point made, but I would submit Iro > Azulah > Aang.


not gonna lie, i loved that show!

That show is half the reason I chose my username. Uncle Iroh is chalk full of wisdom and humor.