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Re: The spirit of prophecy is subject to the rules of English grammar
Posted: September 15th, 2017, 3:23 pm
by Rensai
LDS Anarchist wrote: ↑September 15th, 2017, 2:29 pm
Strangely enough, this scripture suddenly comes to mind:
And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets. (1 Corinthians 14:32)
Gee, I wonder why that passage popped into my head? It probably means nothing, though...
The problem isn't the books, its your made up revelations and interpretations and the way you present them. Are you claiming to be prophet? I've noticed in many of your posts you keep hinting that you know things, have revelation on many topics, etc.
Re: The Signs of the Marred Servant
Posted: September 15th, 2017, 3:25 pm
by Rensai
dafty wrote: ↑September 15th, 2017, 2:29 pm
Rensai wrote: ↑September 15th, 2017, 2:09 pm
Z2100 wrote: ↑September 15th, 2017, 11:54 am
I'm starting to believe that the Davidic Servant, or the this guy we're currently talking about, will come/return on September 23. IF the Second Coming is in 2033, then I expect to see HUGE changes come about in the church and the world. I would fully expect to live to see the sealed portion of the BoM revealed!
I also believe that Denver Snuffer is one of those false prophets" that would come to influence before the real one came.
I agree about Denver and I think Sept 23rd will be significant for the servant, but it may not be the day he goes public either.
Its possible it'll happen on the 23rd, but it might be a little after that. I was looking at stellarium the other day because the Gileadi blog Alaris shared says:
http://www.isaiahinstitute.com/2017/09/ ... 2017s.html
To those who “fear” or reverence God, the messianic planet Jupiter’s gestation in the womb of the Virgo Constellation, and of its “birth” on September 23rd 2017,
The problem is, the Sign happens on the 23rd, but Jupiter isn't actually birthed till around the middle of October when you look at it in Stellarium, he stays put in virgo til then. So I think we may see something on the 23rd, but it may just mark something important to the servant, like Joseph getting to meet God in the grove. The whole world didn't know about that and may not know what happens on the 23rd either. One way or another though, I think he will have to go public pretty soon though.
On my little skymap phone app, its 8/9th of Oct when Jupiter is fully out of Virgo. Whether that symbolises some sort of process of "being born' I donot know. The only thing is, since the 'pregnancy' lasted actual ~9 months(as in humans), why would labour last this long(far too long for any human)? Soon we shall see..mor not lol
Yeah, I dunno, I just thought it was interesting that Jupiter hangs out in Virgo for several more weeks. Maybe it means something.
Re: The Signs of the Marred Servant
Posted: September 15th, 2017, 4:46 pm
by Alaris
Can we de-contention-ify this thread? Nobody agrees on all accounts as to the Davidic Servant or the end times servant. We all have personal feelings and I do absolutely believe many of us have had the spirit reveal truths to us about him. This is the model of study, pondering, and prayer. Since none of us have all the details right how about some additional humility and open ourselves to being wrong? Disagreement can foster more study and prayer and learning without insulting or contending. Free hugs for everyone.
Edit: There are things LDS Anarchist has said about the end times servant that I feel have been personally revealed to me that I have only shared with my wife. I don't agree with him on everything and I do believe he is wrong about some things, but I am deeply grateful he has shared his intimate thoughts and feelings on the end times servant.

Re: The Signs of the Marred Servant
Posted: September 15th, 2017, 4:58 pm
by RAB
It won't come from outside the Church. What Snufferites and other apostate groups forget is D&C 85, which spoke to inheritances in Zion.
"11 And they who are of the High Priesthood, whose names are not found written in the book of the law, or that are found to have apostatized, or to have been cut off from the church, as well as the lesser priesthood, or the members, in that day shall not find an inheritance among the saints of the Most High;
12 Therefore, it shall be done unto them as unto the children of the priest, as will be found recorded in the second chapter and sixty-first and second verses of Ezra."
If you apostasize or are otherwise cut off from the Church, there will not be a place for you in Zion. Plain and simple. Stay on the good ship Zion. The Lord will work within the Church He established.
I have a somewhat different take on the marred servant. In 3 Nephi, it seems to be talking about Joseph Smith, who was often protected from harm, was marred (tarred, feathered, poisoned, and imrisoned) and the Lord healed him (spiritually and ultimately physically will come). Joseph made the choice to be martyred, because the Lord had revealed to him how to avoid being killed. But he made the choice to seal his testimony with his blood. Prior to fulfilling his mission he was protected by the Lord countless times...guns being fired at him on several occasions without going off, being freed from prison, etc. Under Joseph, letters were sent to all the kingdoms of the earth announcing the restoration. He was there for the beginning of the marvelous work and wonder being taken to the Gentiles, and I believe the Hymn which says "Millions shall know Brother Joseph again" is not just talking about his story, but personally. Wouldn't Joseph's resurrection and being able to finish the work he started truly show that "my wisdom is greater than the cunning of the devil"?Through the devil's cunningness, he inspired men to betray and kill the prophet. But with the servant's life being in His hand, and his marring being healed, I could very easily see Joseph being the person who fulfills the prophecy with both his earthly life and his resurrected pre-millennial and millennial work. That just seems like the kind of tender mercy the Lord would grant to one who sacrificed so much for the kingdom...to be able to finish what he started in establishing Zion. But that's just my opinion.
Re: Decontentionification
Posted: September 15th, 2017, 5:34 pm
by Alaris
LDS Anarchist wrote: ↑September 15th, 2017, 5:02 pm
alaris wrote: ↑September 15th, 2017, 4:46 pm
Can we de-contention-ify this thread? Nobody agrees on all accounts as to the Davidic Servant or the end times servant. We all have personal feelings and I do absolutely believe many of us have had the spirit reveal truths to us about him. This is the model of study, pondering, and prayer. Since none of us have all the details right how about some additional humility and open ourselves to being wrong? Disagreement can foster more study and prayer and learning without insulting or contending. Free hugs for everyone.
You ought to change your handle from alaris to "the reconciler."
I agree that a large dose of decontentionification is what is needed, along with that word added to the dictionary. However, I do reserve the right to defend my views when they are under attack. I also reserve the right to remain silent when under attack, as I please.
I prefer "builder"
I hear you. I'm certainly not perfect at defending my points without inviting contention but that is my aim!
Re: The Signs of the Marred Servant
Posted: September 15th, 2017, 5:58 pm
by Alaris
RAB wrote: ↑September 15th, 2017, 4:58 pm
It won't come from outside the Church. What Snufferites and other apostate groups forget is D&C 85, which spoke to inheritances in Zion.
"11 And they who are of the High Priesthood, whose names are not found written in the book of the law, or that are found to have apostatized, or to have been cut off from the church, as well as the lesser priesthood, or the members, in that day shall not find an inheritance among the saints of the Most High;
12 Therefore, it shall be done unto them as unto the children of the priest, as will be found recorded in the second chapter and sixty-first and second verses of Ezra."
If you apostasize or are otherwise cut off from the Church, there will not be a place for you in Zion. Plain and simple. Stay on the good ship Zion. The Lord will work within the Church He established.
I have a somewhat different take on the marred servant. In 3 Nephi, it seems to be talking about Joseph Smith, who was often protected from harm, was marred (tarred, feathered, poisoned, and imrisoned) and the Lord healed him (spiritually and ultimately physically will come). Joseph made the choice to be martyred, because the Lord had revealed to him how to avoid being killed. But he made the choice to seal his testimony with his blood. Prior to fulfilling his mission he was protected by the Lord countless times...guns being fired at him on several occasions without going off, being freed from prison, etc. Under Joseph, letters were sent to all the kingdoms of the earth announcing the restoration. He was there for the beginning of the marvelous work and wonder being taken to the Gentiles, and I believe the Hymn which says "Millions shall know Brother Joseph again" is not just talking about his story, but personally. Wouldn't Joseph's resurrection and being able to finish the work he started truly show that "my wisdom is greater than the cunning of the devil"?Through the devil's cunningness, he inspired men to betray and kill the prophet. But with the servant's life being in His hand, and his marring being healed, I could very easily see Joseph being the person who fulfills the prophecy with both his earthly life and his resurrected pre-millennial and millennial work. That just seems like the kind of tender mercy the Lord would grant to one who sacrificed so much for the kingdom...to be able to finish what he started in establishing Zion. But that's just my opinion.
I seriously mean this as respectfully as possible, but there is absolutely a new servant who is not Joseph Smith and who is not Jesus Christ. Joseph Smith himself said so:
Although David was a king, he never did obtain the spirit and power of Elijah and the fullness
of the Priesthood;10 and the Priesthood that he received, and the throne11 and kingdom of David is
to be taken from him12 and given to another by the name of David in the last days, raised up out of
his lineage. Joseph Smith - TPJS p 339
LDS Anarchist posted some other Joseph Smith quotes I've been meaning to revisit that basically say the same thing. I think he even hints to the identity of this servant in the King Follet.
OK here's the not so nice thing I'm going to say, and there really is no nice way to say this, so I'm going to just say it. I think those who want the end times servants to be characters with whom they already know in the scriptures is just lazy, wishful thinking. Lazy may be somewhat unfair because I resisted some of this knowledge myself at first - in particular Isaiah 9:6. How many times have I sung along to Handle's Messiah as sung by Motab thinking we were all sing praises to the Lord Jesus Christ? Well I'm sure I still was given my intent, however Isaiah 9:6 is about the end times servant. Lazy is fair if anyone is guilty of thinking, "That makes me too uncomfortable."
Evangelicals do this when being presented with the Book of Mormon.
Young Missionary: Dude! God has called prophets and new scripture! All it takes is 15-20 minutes of reading, pondering, and praying to find out.
Evangelical Christian: Nah .... I'm good. I'll stick to what is comfortable with
me.
Re: Prophecy for dummies
Posted: September 15th, 2017, 6:33 pm
by Rensai
LDS Anarchist wrote: ↑September 15th, 2017, 4:00 pm
Rensai wrote: ↑September 15th, 2017, 3:23 pm
The problem isn't the books, its your made up revelations and interpretations and the way you present them. Are you claiming to be prophet?
I certainly have the spirit of prophecy:
And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy. (Revelation 19:10)
Does this not make me a prophet? I suppose you are
not a prophet, then, huh? If you are not a prophet, then how in the world can claim to you understand the prophecies?
And he arose and went: and, behold, a man of Ethiopia, an eunuch of great authority under Candace queen of the Ethiopians, who had the charge of all her treasure, and had come to Jerusalem for to worship, was returning, and sitting in his chariot read Esaias the prophet. Then the Spirit said unto Philip, Go near, and join thyself to this chariot. And Philip ran thither to him, and heard him read the prophet Esaias, and said, Understandest thou what thou readest? And he said, How can I, except some man should guide me? (Acts 8:27-31)
If you are not a prophet, then yer gonna need a prophet to guide you, so that you understand the prophecies, right? I have the testimony of Jesus, the spirit of prophecy, the gift to prophesy, the spirit of revelation
and the gift of the word of knowledge. What do
you have? Do you think
you are qualified to teach
me what the scripture means? If so,
state yer qualifications.
Rensai wrote: ↑September 15th, 2017, 3:23 pm
The problem isn't the books,
its your made up revelations and interpretations and the way you present them.
There's a principle we Mormons claim to adhere to:
And when ye shall receive these things, I would exhort you that ye would ask God, the Eternal Father, in the name of Christ, if these things are not true; and if ye shall ask with a sincere heart, with real intent, having faith in Christ, he will manifest the truth of it unto you, by the power of the Holy Ghost. And by the power of the Holy Ghost ye may know the truth of all things. (Moroni 10:4-5)
I tell everyone, "You don't believe me? Fine. Go ask God if I'm right. If you are capable of revelation, He'll tell you that I am right." Those that follow that counsel, get manifestations that my so-called "made up" revelations are genuine. Now, have you gone and done the due diligence to find out if my revelations are real or made up? Nope. You haven't, have you? You've just made up your mind and
assumed they are made up. For all you know, they are real and you are rashly condemning things that come from God.
For behold, the same that judgeth rashly shall be judged rashly again; for according to his works shall his wages be; therefore, he that smiteth shall be smitten again, of the Lord. (Mormon 8:19)
See, this is the type of behavior that is gonna get people cursed. If the Josephite shows up and starts teaching things that conflict with your pre-conceived notions, and you start labeling what he's doing as "wresting the scriptures," yer gonna be cursed. It's best to keep an open mind about things you don't have any knowledge about and not rush to condemn.
Rensai wrote: ↑September 15th, 2017, 3:23 pm
I've noticed in many of your posts you keep hinting that you know things, have revelation on many topics, etc.
I never
hint at knowing things and having revelations. I merely know things and have many revelations. And I state what I know or what I get from God
as a fact. If that intimidates you,
that's not my problem. Go ask your God you claim to worship about me and my things. He knows who I am and what He's told me. And He will tell everyone who earnestly inquires about my revelations and teachings that what I teach is truth. And if you ask Him, "Should I listen to and learn from the LDS Anarchist?" He will invariably say, "Yes." Or, conversely, don't ask, and just remain in your false judgments and clouded views. Suite yourself. It's certainly no sweat off my back.
Well that's very clear. Thank you for clarifying your beliefs. It looks like your mind is made up and you're convinced you have all the answers. I'll remember that and won't waste both yours and my time engaging in further discussion with you.
Re: Prophecy for dummies
Posted: September 15th, 2017, 11:01 pm
by Cc07
LDS Anarchist wrote: ↑September 15th, 2017, 4:00 pm
Rensai wrote: ↑September 15th, 2017, 3:23 pm
The problem isn't the books, its your made up revelations and interpretations and the way you present them. Are you claiming to be prophet?
I certainly have the spirit of prophecy:
And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy. (Revelation 19:10)
Does this not make me a prophet? I suppose you are
not a prophet, then, huh? If you are not a prophet, then how in the world can claim to you understand the prophecies?
And he arose and went: and, behold, a man of Ethiopia, an eunuch of great authority under Candace queen of the Ethiopians, who had the charge of all her treasure, and had come to Jerusalem for to worship, was returning, and sitting in his chariot read Esaias the prophet. Then the Spirit said unto Philip, Go near, and join thyself to this chariot. And Philip ran thither to him, and heard him read the prophet Esaias, and said, Understandest thou what thou readest? And he said, How can I, except some man should guide me? (Acts 8:27-31)
If you are not a prophet, then yer gonna need a prophet to guide you, so that you understand the prophecies, right? I have the testimony of Jesus, the spirit of prophecy, the gift to prophesy, the spirit of revelation
and the gift of the word of knowledge. What do
you have? Do you think
you are qualified to teach
me what the scripture means? If so,
state yer qualifications.
Rensai wrote: ↑September 15th, 2017, 3:23 pm
The problem isn't the books,
its your made up revelations and interpretations and the way you present them.
There's a principle we Mormons claim to adhere to:
And when ye shall receive these things, I would exhort you that ye would ask God, the Eternal Father, in the name of Christ, if these things are not true; and if ye shall ask with a sincere heart, with real intent, having faith in Christ, he will manifest the truth of it unto you, by the power of the Holy Ghost. And by the power of the Holy Ghost ye may know the truth of all things. (Moroni 10:4-5)
I tell everyone, "You don't believe me? Fine. Go ask God if I'm right. If you are capable of revelation, He'll tell you that I am right." Those that follow that counsel, get manifestations that my so-called "made up" revelations are genuine. Now, have you gone and done the due diligence to find out if my revelations are real or made up? Nope. You haven't, have you? You've just made up your mind and
assumed they are made up. For all you know, they are real and you are rashly condemning things that come from God.
For behold, the same that judgeth rashly shall be judged rashly again; for according to his works shall his wages be; therefore, he that smiteth shall be smitten again, of the Lord. (Mormon 8:19)
See, this is the type of behavior that is gonna get people cursed. If the Josephite shows up and starts teaching things that conflict with your pre-conceived notions, and you start labeling what he's doing as "wresting the scriptures," yer gonna be cursed. It's best to keep an open mind about things you don't have any knowledge about and not rush to condemn.
Rensai wrote: ↑September 15th, 2017, 3:23 pm
I've noticed in many of your posts you keep hinting that you know things, have revelation on many topics, etc.
I never
hint at knowing things and having revelations. I merely know things and have many revelations. And I state what I know or what I get from God
as a fact. If that intimidates you,
that's not my problem. Go ask your God you claim to worship about me and my things. He knows who I am and what He's told me. And He will tell everyone who earnestly inquires about my revelations and teachings that what I teach is truth. And if you ask Him, "Should I listen to and learn from the LDS Anarchist?" He will invariably say, "Yes." Or, conversely, don't ask, and just remain in your false judgments and clouded views. Suite yourself. It's certainly no sweat off my back.
Wow- how sad. The only Prophets that I know that claim to be Prophets definitely aren't those that call people dummies and aren't being prideful with their revelations...

Re: The Signs of the Marred Servant
Posted: September 16th, 2017, 8:40 am
by RAB
alaris wrote: ↑September 15th, 2017, 5:58 pm
RAB wrote: ↑September 15th, 2017, 4:58 pm
It won't come from outside the Church. What Snufferites and other apostate groups forget is D&C 85, which spoke to inheritances in Zion.
"11 And they who are of the High Priesthood, whose names are not found written in the book of the law, or that are found to have apostatized, or to have been cut off from the church, as well as the lesser priesthood, or the members, in that day shall not find an inheritance among the saints of the Most High;
12 Therefore, it shall be done unto them as unto the children of the priest, as will be found recorded in the second chapter and sixty-first and second verses of Ezra."
If you apostasize or are otherwise cut off from the Church, there will not be a place for you in Zion. Plain and simple. Stay on the good ship Zion. The Lord will work within the Church He established.
I have a somewhat different take on the marred servant. In 3 Nephi, it seems to be talking about Joseph Smith, who was often protected from harm, was marred (tarred, feathered, poisoned, and imrisoned) and the Lord healed him (spiritually and ultimately physically will come). Joseph made the choice to be martyred, because the Lord had revealed to him how to avoid being killed. But he made the choice to seal his testimony with his blood. Prior to fulfilling his mission he was protected by the Lord countless times...guns being fired at him on several occasions without going off, being freed from prison, etc. Under Joseph, letters were sent to all the kingdoms of the earth announcing the restoration. He was there for the beginning of the marvelous work and wonder being taken to the Gentiles, and I believe the Hymn which says "Millions shall know Brother Joseph again" is not just talking about his story, but personally. Wouldn't Joseph's resurrection and being able to finish the work he started truly show that "my wisdom is greater than the cunning of the devil"?Through the devil's cunningness, he inspired men to betray and kill the prophet. But with the servant's life being in His hand, and his marring being healed, I could very easily see Joseph being the person who fulfills the prophecy with both his earthly life and his resurrected pre-millennial and millennial work. That just seems like the kind of tender mercy the Lord would grant to one who sacrificed so much for the kingdom...to be able to finish what he started in establishing Zion. But that's just my opinion.
I seriously mean this as respectfully as possible, but there is absolutely a new servant who is not Joseph Smith and who is not Jesus Christ. Joseph Smith himself said so:
Although David was a king, he never did obtain the spirit and power of Elijah and the fullness
of the Priesthood;10 and the Priesthood that he received, and the throne11 and kingdom of David is
to be taken from him12 and given to another by the name of David in the last days, raised up out of
his lineage. Joseph Smith - TPJS p 339
LDS Anarchist posted some other Joseph Smith quotes I've been meaning to revisit that basically say the same thing. I think he even hints to the identity of this servant in the King Follet.
OK here's the not so nice thing I'm going to say, and there really is no nice way to say this, so I'm going to just say it. I think those who want the end times servants to o characters with whom they already know in the scriptures is just lazy, wishful thinking. Lazy may be somewhat unfair because I resisted some of this knowledge myself at first - in particular Isaiah 9:6. How many times have I sung along to Handle's Messiah as sung by Motab thinking we were all sing praises to the Lord Jesus Christ? Well I'm sure I still was given my intent, however Isaiah 9:6 is about the end times servant. Lazy is fair if anyone is guilty of thinking, "That makes me too uncomfortable."
Evangelicals do this when being presented with the Book of Mormon.
Young Missionary: Dude! God has called prophets and new scripture! All it takes is 15-20 minutes of reading, pondering, and praying to find out.
Evangelical Christian: Nah .... I'm good. I'll stick to what is comfortable with
me.
No offense taken, except that I will point out your quote said nothing of the marred servant working the marvelous work and wonder among the gentiles, of 3 Nephi. Unless there is some more context than what you have quoted, you have conflated the two with no evidence they are the same. In fact, the textual evidence of 3rd Nephi and your quote indicate they are different. The JS quote doesn't say the davidic servant will receive the fullness of the priesthood or the sealing powers of Elijah. It says he will receive David's priesthood. Did David have the sealing power? I doubt it. The Lord would not even let him build the temple. So just because Inview things differently doesn't make me lazy or without reason. But I don't expect to change your mind, nor do I want to contend about this inconsequential issue. I would just say that reasonable minds can differ.
Re: The Signs of the Marred Servant
Posted: September 16th, 2017, 12:32 pm
by Jesef
How can the Marred Servant (let's call him, from 3 Nephi 21) possibly be the same as the Davidic Servant (from various Isaiah) since MS basically serves the covenant Gentiles and the DS serves Jerusalem/Israel/Judah and rebuilding the Temple on Moriah, etc.?
Re: The Signs of the Marred Servant
Posted: September 16th, 2017, 12:40 pm
by Durzan
Jesef wrote: ↑September 16th, 2017, 12:32 pm
How can the Marred Servant (let's call him, from 3 Nephi 21) possibly be the same as the Davidic Servant (from various Isaiah) since MS basically serves the covenant Gentiles and the DS serves Jerusalem/Israel/Judah and rebuilding the Temple on Moriah, etc.?
Christ was quoting parts of Isaiah. with that understanding, i can see how someone could confuse the two.
Re: The Signs of the Marred Servant
Posted: September 16th, 2017, 12:45 pm
by Jesef
So, Durzan, sorry for my confusion and asking you to probably repeat yourself a little, but do you believe they are the same guy or different guys? I've imagined that MS and "one mighty and strong" (from D&C 85) were same guy over here in Americas, and DS was a different guy (over in Israel/Jerusalem).
Re: The Signs of the Marred Servant
Posted: September 16th, 2017, 2:57 pm
by Alaris
Jesef wrote: ↑September 16th, 2017, 12:45 pm
So, Durzan, sorry for my confusion and asking you to probably repeat yourself a little, but do you believe they are the same guy or different guys? I've imagined that MS and "one mighty and strong" (from D&C 85) were same guy over here in Americas, and DS was a different guy (over in Israel/Jerusalem).
The rod in D&C 113 from Isaiah 11 has much power laid upon him. The root is another character in Isaiah 11. The DS is the rod imho. It's his right to divide the inheritances which is D&C 85 if I remember right.
Re: The Signs of the Marred Servant
Posted: September 16th, 2017, 7:12 pm
by AI2.0
Jesef wrote: ↑September 16th, 2017, 12:32 pm
How can the Marred Servant (let's call him, from 3 Nephi 21) possibly be the same as the Davidic Servant (from various Isaiah) since MS basically serves the covenant Gentiles and the DS serves Jerusalem/Israel/Judah and rebuilding the Temple on Moriah, etc.?
This is the problem I see; They are pulling things out of context, mixing them up, adding stuff from the internet on constellations, supposed prophecies, ndes, etc. and using them to support their 'revelations'. We've known about the Messiah Ben David for decades, but this 'marred servant' is obscure IMO and you said it earlier, we keep seeing new predictions with each year that comes since about 2000. It's hard to take these things seriously, IMO.
The 'marred servant' is a new one, though I did find an article by Val Brinkerhoff that gave some interesting information (and he actually stuck pretty well with the scriptures in his suppositions). He talks about two servants.
I haven't finished reading the whole thing, but so far his theories sound plausible enough to at least consider;
http://www.7witnesses.com/uploads/3/8/9 ... _jacob.pdf
Re: The Signs of the Marred Servant
Posted: September 16th, 2017, 8:10 pm
by Alaris
There is a scripture in Isaiah where it basically says its not enough for thee to gather Israel... The ms /DS will hold all the keys. There will be another servant and other servants but DS / MS has the mantle over the entire gathering. It's all over Isaiah and the OT... Well it's in all standard works actually. Moroni quotes many of these scriptures to Joseph Smith.
Re: The Signs of the Marred Servant
Posted: September 16th, 2017, 10:33 pm
by Durzan
alaris wrote: ↑September 16th, 2017, 8:10 pm
There is a scripture in Isaiah where it basically says its not enough for thee to gather Israel... The ms /DS will hold all the keys. There will be another servant and other servants but DS / MS has the mantle over the entire gathering. It's all over Isaiah and the OT... Well it's in all standard works actually. Moroni quotes many of these scriptures to Joseph Smith.
Ooh, that sounds cool. Citation, so I can look it up?
Re: The Signs of the Marred Servant
Posted: September 16th, 2017, 10:36 pm
by Durzan
Also, the Marred Servant will need our prayers. The Devil IS going to attack him soon, right when he is at most vulnerable. His fight with the Marred Servant is personal to him... he wants revenge for what I mentioned in number 1 on the OP.
The closer 9/23 approaches, the more and more I get the feeling that said date is really important. Satan will attack him on or near that date, I think.
Re: The Signs of the Marred Servant
Posted: September 16th, 2017, 10:53 pm
by Alaris
Durzan wrote: ↑September 16th, 2017, 10:33 pm
alaris wrote: ↑September 16th, 2017, 8:10 pm
There is a scripture in Isaiah where it basically says its not enough for thee to gather Israel... The ms /DS will hold all the keys. There will be another servant and other servants but DS / MS has the mantle over the entire gathering. It's all over Isaiah and the OT... Well it's in all standard works actually. Moroni quotes many of these scriptures to Joseph Smith.
Ooh, that sounds cool. Citation, so I can look it up?
Isaiah 49:6 And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth
Ezekiel 37:22 And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all:
23 Neither shall they defile themselves any more with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions: but I will save them out of all their dwellingplaces, wherein they have sinned, and will cleanse them: so shall they be my people, and I will be their God.
24 And David my servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them.
25 And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, even they, and their children, and their children’s children for ever: and my servant David shall be their prince for ever.
26 Moreover I will make a covenant of peace with them; it shall be an everlasting covenant with them: and I will place them, and multiply them, and will set my sanctuary in the midst of them for evermore.
27 My tabernacle also shall be with them: yea, I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
28 And the heathen shall know that I the Lord do sanctify Israel, when my sanctuary shall be in the midst of them for evermore.
Jeremiah 31-33
Jeremiah 33:15 ¶ In those days, and at that time, will I cause the Branch of righteousness to grow up unto David; and he shall execute judgment and righteousness in the land.
16 In those days shall Judah be saved, and Jerusalem shall dwell safely: and this is the name wherewith she shall be called, The Lord our righteousness.
Edit: Joseph Smith history in the pogp has many of the scriptures Moroni quoted including Isaiah 11 and Malachi 3 (which is about the DS imho) and 4.
Re: The Signs of the Marred Servant
Posted: September 17th, 2017, 12:32 am
by Rensai
Durzan wrote: ↑September 16th, 2017, 10:36 pm
Also, the Marred Servant will need our prayers. The Devil IS going to attack him soon, right when he is at most vulnerable. His fight with the Marred Servant is personal to him... he wants revenge for what I mentioned in number 1 on the OP.
The closer 9/23 approaches, the more and more I get the feeling that said date is really important. Satan will attack him on or near that date, I think.
Yes, if he is caught up to the throne of God (probably in spirit like Isaiah), as it says in revelations 12, then he will have to face Satan too. That seems to fit the pattern of all the other major prophets. Opposition in all things. Just like Joseph smith in the grove, Moses after the burning bush, etc.
Re: The Signs of the Marred Servant
Posted: September 17th, 2017, 2:35 am
by Durzan
alaris wrote: ↑September 16th, 2017, 10:53 pm
Durzan wrote: ↑September 16th, 2017, 10:33 pm
alaris wrote: ↑September 16th, 2017, 8:10 pm
There is a scripture in Isaiah where it basically says its not enough for thee to gather Israel... The ms /DS will hold all the keys. There will be another servant and other servants but DS / MS has the mantle over the entire gathering. It's all over Isaiah and the OT... Well it's in all standard works actually. Moroni quotes many of these scriptures to Joseph Smith.
Ooh, that sounds cool. Citation, so I can look it up?
Isaiah 49:6 And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth
Ezekiel 37:22 And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all:
23 Neither shall they defile themselves any more with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions: but I will save them out of all their dwellingplaces, wherein they have sinned, and will cleanse them: so shall they be my people, and I will be their God.
24 And David my servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them.
25 And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, even they, and their children, and their children’s children for ever: and my servant David shall be their prince for ever.
26 Moreover I will make a covenant of peace with them; it shall be an everlasting covenant with them: and I will place them, and multiply them, and will set my sanctuary in the midst of them for evermore.
27 My tabernacle also shall be with them: yea, I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
28 And the heathen shall know that I the Lord do sanctify Israel, when my sanctuary shall be in the midst of them for evermore.
Jeremiah 31-33
Jeremiah 33:15 ¶ In those days, and at that time, will I cause the Branch of righteousness to grow up unto David; and he shall execute judgment and righteousness in the land.
16 In those days shall Judah be saved, and Jerusalem shall dwell safely: and this is the name wherewith she shall be called, The Lord our righteousness.
Edit: Joseph Smith history in the pogp has many of the scriptures Moroni quoted including Isaiah 11 and Malachi 3 (which is about the DS imho) and 4.
Hmm... I'm not seeing how you got the MS/DS would have all keys from those verses. But these verses are talking about about the Davidic Servant and the all right. Notice how in Isaiah it talks about "my servant" while in Ezekiel it talks about "My servant David"? That's an important distinction between the two, and one of the indicators that they are two seperate individuals.
Re: The Signs of the Marred Servant
Posted: September 17th, 2017, 2:50 am
by Alaris
Durzan wrote: ↑September 17th, 2017, 2:35 am
alaris wrote: ↑September 16th, 2017, 10:53 pm
Durzan wrote: ↑September 16th, 2017, 10:33 pm
alaris wrote: ↑September 16th, 2017, 8:10 pm
There is a scripture in Isaiah where it basically says its not enough for thee to gather Israel... The ms /DS will hold all the keys. There will be another servant and other servants but DS / MS has the mantle over the entire gathering. It's all over Isaiah and the OT... Well it's in all standard works actually. Moroni quotes many of these scriptures to Joseph Smith.
Ooh, that sounds cool. Citation, so I can look it up?
Isaiah 49:6 And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth
Ezekiel 37:22 And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all:
23 Neither shall they defile themselves any more with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions: but I will save them out of all their dwellingplaces, wherein they have sinned, and will cleanse them: so shall they be my people, and I will be their God.
24 And David my servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them.
25 And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, even they, and their children, and their children’s children for ever: and my servant David shall be their prince for ever.
26 Moreover I will make a covenant of peace with them; it shall be an everlasting covenant with them: and I will place them, and multiply them, and will set my sanctuary in the midst of them for evermore.
27 My tabernacle also shall be with them: yea, I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
28 And the heathen shall know that I the Lord do sanctify Israel, when my sanctuary shall be in the midst of them for evermore.
Jeremiah 31-33
Jeremiah 33:15 ¶ In those days, and at that time, will I cause the Branch of righteousness to grow up unto David; and he shall execute judgment and righteousness in the land.
16 In those days shall Judah be saved, and Jerusalem shall dwell safely: and this is the name wherewith she shall be called, The Lord our righteousness.
Edit: Joseph Smith history in the pogp has many of the scriptures Moroni quoted including Isaiah 11 and Malachi 3 (which is about the DS imho) and 4.
Hmm... I'm not seeing how you got the MS/DS would have all keys from those verses. But these verses are talking about about the Davidic Servant and the all right. Notice how in Isaiah it talks about "my servant" while in Ezekiel it talks about "My servant David"? That's an important distinction between the two, and one of the indicators that they are two seperate individuals.
One kingdom and one ruler... David. The same servant who restores Israel. It's OK to be wrong from time to time. I'm sometimes wrong even. I know, I know. Hard to believe but true nonetheless.

Re: The Signs of the Marred Servant
Posted: September 17th, 2017, 3:02 am
by dafty
what on earth are you doing posting on the forum this time of the night mr Alaris?

It must be way past midnight up in yankee land, innit?

get some melatonin down you-baby b up now

Re: The Signs of the Marred Servant
Posted: September 17th, 2017, 3:08 am
by Alaris
dafty wrote: ↑September 17th, 2017, 3:02 am
what on earth are you doing posting on the forum this time of the night mr Alaris?

It must be way past midnight up in yankee land, innit?

get some melatonin down you-baby b up now
Both my babies are awake though one is about to go to sleep. I'm way too sensitive to melatonin. One teeny dose and I'm asleep for fourteen hours and I'm zombie brain all the following day.
Re: The Signs of the Marred Servant
Posted: September 17th, 2017, 4:37 am
by Durzan
alaris wrote:One kingdom and one ruler... David. The same servant who restores Israel. It's OK to be wrong from time to time. I'm sometimes wrong even. I know, I know. Hard to believe but true nonetheless.

Respectfully, I disagree. The Ezekiel quote you used is talking about how In the last days there shall once again be only one physical kingdom of Israel, instead of the kingdoms of Israel and Judah that existed at the time. One ruler of Israel, named David (Coincidentally, the first prime minister of modern day israel was named David, meaning they would revere him the same way we revere George Washington) and one shepard... a clear reference to Israel accepting the fullness of the gospel once more and recognizing Christ as their savior in the Last Days. The term "one shepard" typically refers to Christ, who shall be both King and Shepard (Religious leader) during the Millennium.
Christ is also a direct descendant of King David, and so this prophecy could also be seen as a prophecy about Christ, assuming that in his particular instance that the name David is a name title similar to the name title of Elias and Raphael.
Re: The Signs of the Marred Servant
Posted: September 17th, 2017, 12:31 pm
by Rensai
Durzan wrote: ↑September 17th, 2017, 4:37 am
alaris wrote:One kingdom and one ruler... David. The same servant who restores Israel. It's OK to be wrong from time to time. I'm sometimes wrong even. I know, I know. Hard to believe but true nonetheless.

Respectfully, I disagree. The Ezekiel quote you used is talking about how In the last days there shall once again be only one physical kingdom of Israel, instead of the kingdoms of Israel and Judah that existed at the time. One ruler of Israel, named David (Coincidentally, the first prime minister of modern day israel was named David, meaning they would revere him the same way we revere George Washington) and one shepard... a clear reference to Israel accepting the fullness of the gospel once more and recognizing Christ as their savior in the Last Days. The term "one shepard" typically refers to Christ, who shall be both King and Shepard (Religious leader) during the Millennium.
Christ is also a direct descendant of King David, and so this prophecy could also be seen as a prophecy about Christ, assuming that in his particular instance that the name David is a name title similar to the name title of Elias and Raphael.
That's pretty much how I read those quotes too.