JUST IN Trump Announces Social Security Recipients Will Now Receive THIS Amount Monthly
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Post by freedomforall »
Which part. Following the law and paying the taxes. Or following the law and receiving the benefit from those taxes you paid?I say that those who partake in socialism are sinning.
Partaking in government theft of others to give money to you. That's sin. Doesn't matter if it's the law is to have your income/property stolen from you by the government. Voted into law by others. It becomes sin when you partake in the spoils of that theft. You can justify partaking in that theft all you want label it however makes you feel good. But it is what it is. Just because your money was stolen doesn't make it right to steal someone else money in return.gclayjr wrote: ↑August 27th, 2017, 2:49 pm Ezra,
Which part. Following the law and paying the taxes. Or following the law and receiving the benefit from those taxes you paid?I say that those who partake in socialism are sinning.
Do you just follow the laws you agree with and break the others?
or Do you do things even more dishonest and deceptive in order to "avoid" a paying taxes you don't like?
Regards,
George Clay
You must pay SS or self employment tax on the first dollar you earn. It is arrogantly self serving for YOU to determine which laws you are going to follow and which ones you won'tFor instance I have not payed taxes for years by purposely earning less then is required for taxation
While we believe that the Constitution is divinely inspired, there is nothing that says we should only obey laws that we believe to be constitutional12 We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law.
Don't you work for a company? I thought you worked as some sort of troubled boy counselor.Ezra wrote: ↑August 27th, 2017, 7:12 pm
For instance I have not payed taxes for years by purposely earning less then is required for taxation. It's legal yet I have withdrawn my support of socialism by doing so. I have no debt own my own property. Grow my own food. Will produce my own power soon and so am able to put what money I make into saving to provide my own retirement, healthcare, education for my children and so on. Anyone can do the same if they choose too.
So I'm not just talking the talk. I have a nice solid rock foundation that I stand on.
We have been told by our prophets and scripture to fight against and not support socialism or its programs. To awake to that awful situation.
It's foolish to partake in government theft just because they stole from you or are stealing from you. The lord will bless you if you choose to repent and turn away from partaking of the theft of others.
I do work part time for the wilderness program when I feel like it and farm on my property. But claim exempt on w2 For the wilderness program. I get a tax return every year. So even though some money goes to the government i get it all back. If I get back extra I give it to the church or charities.shadow wrote: ↑August 27th, 2017, 9:54 pmDon't you work for a company? I thought you worked as some sort of troubled boy counselor.Ezra wrote: ↑August 27th, 2017, 7:12 pm
For instance I have not payed taxes for years by purposely earning less then is required for taxation. It's legal yet I have withdrawn my support of socialism by doing so. I have no debt own my own property. Grow my own food. Will produce my own power soon and so am able to put what money I make into saving to provide my own retirement, healthcare, education for my children and so on. Anyone can do the same if they choose too.
So I'm not just talking the talk. I have a nice solid rock foundation that I stand on.
We have been told by our prophets and scripture to fight against and not support socialism or its programs. To awake to that awful situation.
It's foolish to partake in government theft just because they stole from you or are stealing from you. The lord will bless you if you choose to repent and turn away from partaking of the theft of others.
If you get a wage, even self employed, then you pay into social security. It doesn't matter if it's a small wage, ss taxes apply from Dollar #1. If you make one dollar, roughly 7.5% is owed to social security (the hidden tax is that your employer also pays 7.5% on your behalf). If self employed, it's 15%. If self employed and you don't pay it, the IRS will hunt you down and take your property and sell it in order for you to pay that tax.
While the constitution doesn't the scriptures do.gclayjr wrote: ↑August 27th, 2017, 7:49 pm Ezra,
You must pay SS or self employment tax on the first dollar you earn. It is arrogantly self serving for YOU to determine which laws you are going to follow and which ones you won'tFor instance I have not payed taxes for years by purposely earning less then is required for taxation
12 th article of Faith:While we believe that the Constitution is divinely inspired, there is nothing that says we should only obey laws that we believe to be constitutional12 We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law.
Regards,
George Clay
i think a great law to get passed would be that if the government doesn't have a balanced budget that the difference is then seized from the president and congress and houses assests. If that's not enough then government employees.Crackers wrote: ↑August 27th, 2017, 7:42 pm Ezra,
I see your concern. SS is a benefit I don't begrudge (too much), however, since theoretically, it is your exact money, dollar for dollar (except more like dollar for cents), being returned to you. (Isn't it? I am not a govt benefit expert, lol). In that case, it would be hard for me to feel bad about getting my money returned to me. I get that in practice, due to missmanagment and corruption, it has to be taken from someone else. But it is hard to justify withholding our older citizens of their money. We should probably pay it out of our congressmen's pensions and salaries. Would you be okay with that (hahaha)?
Ezra wrote: ↑August 27th, 2017, 7:12 pm
Partaking in government theft of others to give money to you. That's sin. Doesn't matter if it's the law is to have your income/property stolen from you by the government. Voted into law by others. It becomes sin when you partake in the spoils of that theft. You can justify partaking in that theft all you want label it however makes you feel good. But it is what it is. Just because your money was stolen doesn't make it right to steal someone else money in return.
D&c 98 specifically states to only follow the laws that are constitutional. So yes I follow the laws that are constitutional and I don't follow laws that are unconstitutional if I can. Which is exactly what d&c tell us to do.
For instance I have not payed taxes for years by purposely earning less then is required for taxation. It's legal yet I have withdrawn my support of socialism by doing so. I have no debt own my own property. Grow my own food. Will produce my own power soon and so am able to put what money I make into saving to provide my own retirement, healthcare, education for my children and so on. Anyone can do the same if they choose too.
So I'm not just talking the talk. I have a nice solid rock foundation that I stand on.
We have been told by our prophets and scripture to fight against and not support socialism or its programs. To awake to that awful situation.
It's foolish to partake in government theft just because they stole from you or are stealing from you. The lord will bless you if you choose to repent and turn away from partaking of the theft of others.
Post by freedomforall »
No, go to the Social Security website wherein their are some calculators.
Post by freedomforall »
I have no need of guilt. I worked 35 years and paid into SS the whole time. This is not socialism, it is a delayed spending program. :ymapplause:
Post by freedomforall »
Agree to disagree. I had money taken from every single paycheck, so I see no problem of being able to use it now.Ezra wrote: ↑August 27th, 2017, 7:12 pmPartaking in government theft of others to give money to you. That's sin. Doesn't matter if it's the law is to have your income/property stolen from you by the government. Voted into law by others. It becomes sin when you partake in the spoils of that theft. You can justify partaking in that theft all you want label it however makes you feel good. But it is what it is. Just because your money was stolen doesn't make it right to steal someone else money in return.gclayjr wrote: ↑August 27th, 2017, 2:49 pm Ezra,
Which part. Following the law and paying the taxes. Or following the law and receiving the benefit from those taxes you paid?I say that those who partake in socialism are sinning.
Do you just follow the laws you agree with and break the others?
or Do you do things even more dishonest and deceptive in order to "avoid" a paying taxes you don't like?
Regards,
George Clay
D&c 98 specifically states to only follow the laws that are constitutional. So yes I follow the laws that are constitutional and I don't follow laws that are unconstitutional if I can. Which is exactly what d&c tell us to do.
For instance I have not payed taxes for years by purposely earning less then is required for taxation. It's legal yet I have withdrawn my support of socialism by doing so. I have no debt own my own property. Grow my own food. Will produce my own power soon and so am able to put what money I make into saving to provide my own retirement, healthcare, education for my children and so on. Anyone can do the same if they choose too.
So I'm not just talking the talk. I have a nice solid rock foundation that I stand on.
We have been told by our prophets and scripture to fight against and not support socialism or its programs. To awake to that awful situation.
It's foolish to partake in government theft just because they stole from you or are stealing from you. The lord will bless you if you choose to repent and turn away from partaking of the theft of others.
Post by freedomforall »
And what makes you feel justified in degrading those of us who are accepting what is rightfully ours? Some of us worked for our keep and in raising children, and yes, had to pay taxes and social security. But since we could not spend our wages, all of them, we get to have money given back to us after we retire. I suppose you feel that because the government took our money that we should have let them keep it all out of the kindness of our heart.Ezra wrote: ↑August 27th, 2017, 11:23 pmWhile the constitution doesn't the scriptures do.gclayjr wrote: ↑August 27th, 2017, 7:49 pm Ezra,
You must pay SS or self employment tax on the first dollar you earn. It is arrogantly self serving for YOU to determine which laws you are going to follow and which ones you won'tFor instance I have not payed taxes for years by purposely earning less then is required for taxation
12 th article of Faith:While we believe that the Constitution is divinely inspired, there is nothing that says we should only obey laws that we believe to be constitutional12 We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law.
Regards,
George Clay
Arrogant and self serving???
Why do you keep trying to pin labels on me?
Try instead follow the words of god??
D&c 98
4 And now, verily I say unto you concerning the laws of the land, it is my will that my people should observe to do all things whatsoever I command them.
(Obey the laws he commands not the laws of the land. what he commands)!!!!!!!!!
5 And that law of the land which is constitutional, supporting that principle of freedom in maintaining rights and privileges, belongs to all mankind, and is justifiable before me.
6 Therefore, I, the Lord, justify you, and your brethren of my church, in befriending that law which is the constitutional law of the land;
7 And as pertaining to law of man, whatsoever is more or less than this, cometh of evil.
(Anything more or less then following the constitutional laws of the land cometh evil)!!!!!
Why do you feel the need to label me??? While ignoring gods words? I am perfectly justified and encouraged by god to do what I'm doing in obeying only the laws of the land that are constitutional. Constitutional as god scripture and our prophets have defined them.
The federalist papers as well as other writing from the founding father explain that labor is private property and not to be taxed. By men going away from the constitution changing and altering what god created is what has caused us to be in the position we are in with big out of control government. Seizing private property through taxation and going away from the gold standard ammong others changes to the constitution has only cometh evil as god said it would.
The real question is why are you trying to talk me into supporting such blatantly abusive government powers that have obviously created evil when you should be trying to become free from them like me.
Post by freedomforall »
D&C 134:1-3,5,7-9,11-12Ezra wrote: ↑August 27th, 2017, 11:23 pmWhile the constitution doesn't the scriptures do.gclayjr wrote: ↑August 27th, 2017, 7:49 pm Ezra,
You must pay SS or self employment tax on the first dollar you earn. It is arrogantly self serving for YOU to determine which laws you are going to follow and which ones you won'tFor instance I have not payed taxes for years by purposely earning less then is required for taxation
12 th article of Faith:While we believe that the Constitution is divinely inspired, there is nothing that says we should only obey laws that we believe to be constitutional12 We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law.
Regards,
George Clay
Arrogant and self serving???
Why do you keep trying to pin labels on me?
Try instead follow the words of god??
D&c 98
4 And now, verily I say unto you concerning the laws of the land, it is my will that my people should observe to do all things whatsoever I command them.
(Obey the laws he commands not the laws of the land. what he commands)!!!!!!!!!
5 And that law of the land which is constitutional, supporting that principle of freedom in maintaining rights and privileges, belongs to all mankind, and is justifiable before me.
6 Therefore, I, the Lord, justify you, and your brethren of my church, in befriending that law which is the constitutional law of the land;
7 And as pertaining to law of man, whatsoever is more or less than this, cometh of evil.
(Anything more or less then following the constitutional laws of the land cometh evil)!!!!!
Why do you feel the need to label me??? While ignoring gods words? I am perfectly justified and encouraged by god to do what I'm doing in obeying only the laws of the land that are constitutional. Constitutional as god scripture and our prophets have defined them.
The federalist papers as well as other writing from the founding father explain that labor is private property and not to be taxed. By men going away from the constitution changing and altering what god created is what has caused us to be in the position we are in with big out of control government. Seizing private property through taxation and going away from the gold standard ammong others changes to the constitution has only cometh evil as god said it would.
The real question is why are you trying to talk me into supporting such blatantly abusive government powers that have obviously created evil when you should be trying to become free from them like me.
Post by Seek the Truth »
It's not only socialism, it's a Ponzi scheme and incredibly destructive to the economy.freedomforall wrote: ↑August 28th, 2017, 2:02 amI have no need of guilt. I worked 35 years and paid into SS the whole time. This is not socialism, it is a delayed spending program. :ymapplause:
Post by freedomforall »
But according to scripture I see us judging each other, even to the point of sticking noses in the air, in an attempt to make someone feel less than.Seek the Truth wrote: ↑August 28th, 2017, 3:01 amIt's not only socialism, it's a Ponzi scheme and incredibly destructive to the economy.freedomforall wrote: ↑August 28th, 2017, 2:02 amI have no need of guilt. I worked 35 years and paid into SS the whole time. This is not socialism, it is a delayed spending program. :ymapplause:
But, I wouldn't feel any guilt taking from it, the more we take the more burden is place on it and we can force alternatives.
Yea, arrogant and self serving.While the constitution doesn't the scriptures do.
Arrogant and self serving???
Why do you keep trying to pin labels on me?
Try instead follow the words of god??
The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration.
So I stand by my statement that you are arrogant in both your defiance of Government laws, and your accusations against those of us who are law abiding, and that you are twisting scripture to support your cause rather than actually following God's law, including the Articles of Faith I quoted., the D&C quoted by Freedom For All, and the guidance given by the Lord's anointed servants.The Congress shall have Power to lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States;
So you do participate in social security.Ezra wrote: ↑August 27th, 2017, 11:06 pmI do work part time for the wilderness program when I feel like it and farm on my property. But claim exempt on w2 For the wilderness program. I get a tax return every year. So even though some money goes to the government i get it all back. If I get back extra I give it to the church or charities.shadow wrote: ↑August 27th, 2017, 9:54 pmDon't you work for a company? I thought you worked as some sort of troubled boy counselor.Ezra wrote: ↑August 27th, 2017, 7:12 pm
For instance I have not payed taxes for years by purposely earning less then is required for taxation. It's legal yet I have withdrawn my support of socialism by doing so. I have no debt own my own property. Grow my own food. Will produce my own power soon and so am able to put what money I make into saving to provide my own retirement, healthcare, education for my children and so on. Anyone can do the same if they choose too.
So I'm not just talking the talk. I have a nice solid rock foundation that I stand on.
We have been told by our prophets and scripture to fight against and not support socialism or its programs. To awake to that awful situation.
It's foolish to partake in government theft just because they stole from you or are stealing from you. The lord will bless you if you choose to repent and turn away from partaking of the theft of others.
If you get a wage, even self employed, then you pay into social security. It doesn't matter if it's a small wage, ss taxes apply from Dollar #1. If you make one dollar, roughly 7.5% is owed to social security (the hidden tax is that your employer also pays 7.5% on your behalf). If self employed, it's 15%. If self employed and you don't pay it, the IRS will hunt you down and take your property and sell it in order for you to pay that tax.
The IRS cannot seize what I don't own. Trusts are awesome that way. All assets are put in trust. Except vehicles which the trust has a Lein on for 3 times their value.
The trust has its own bank accounts which I have access. I have bank accounts which I keep almost no money. So on paper I'm dirt poor with nothing to take or would make money with the attempt to take it.
I have a awesome cpa who is a ex IRS agent.
Post by setyourselffree »
Pretty sure you are wrong according to this article of faith 12: We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law.Ezra wrote: ↑August 27th, 2017, 7:12 pmPartaking in government theft of others to give money to you. That's sin. Doesn't matter if it's the law is to have your income/property stolen from you by the government. Voted into law by others. It becomes sin when you partake in the spoils of that theft. You can justify partaking in that theft all you want label it however makes you feel good. But it is what it is. Just because your money was stolen doesn't make it right to steal someone else money in return.gclayjr wrote: ↑August 27th, 2017, 2:49 pm Ezra,
Which part. Following the law and paying the taxes. Or following the law and receiving the benefit from those taxes you paid?I say that those who partake in socialism are sinning.
Do you just follow the laws you agree with and break the others?
or Do you do things even more dishonest and deceptive in order to "avoid" a paying taxes you don't like?
Regards,
George Clay
D&c 98 specifically states to only follow the laws that are constitutional. So yes I follow the laws that are constitutional and I don't follow laws that are unconstitutional if I can. Which is exactly what d&c tell us to do.
For instance I have not payed taxes for years by purposely earning less then is required for taxation. It's legal yet I have withdrawn my support of socialism by doing so. I have no debt own my own property. Grow my own food. Will produce my own power soon and so am able to put what money I make into saving to provide my own retirement, healthcare, education for my children and so on. Anyone can do the same if they choose too.
So I'm not just talking the talk. I have a nice solid rock foundation that I stand on.
We have been told by our prophets and scripture to fight against and not support socialism or its programs. To awake to that awful situation.
It's foolish to partake in government theft just because they stole from you or are stealing from you. The lord will bless you if you choose to repent and turn away from partaking of the theft of others.
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