Re: Just another cop killing someone
Posted: July 18th, 2017, 6:12 pm
But they do not get scrutinized by the same standards.
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But they do not get scrutinized by the same standards.
He will be asked why it was not turned on and they will decide if it was a good reason or not.h_p wrote: ↑July 18th, 2017, 5:08 pm
I'm sure they do. What I hope does not happen is that the people doing the scrutinizing don't just write off the fact that he never turned on his body cam per dept. policy because they think that it's not unreasonable. It should be viewed with suspicion. That's all I'm trying to get at.
I mostly agree with you there, and is what I have the biggest gripe about: the double standard between government folks and the rest of us. The Minn. law I listed above seems to give broad leeway to LEOs, way more than I've seen in other states, though admittedly it all seems to hinge on the force being "reasonable." I don't know how that's applied in that state.Serragon wrote: ↑July 18th, 2017, 6:11 pm I understand the law. There was no misconception. The law is the basis of my point. the law in this case is unjust.
The law gives the state powers that you don't have. An officer can shoot you for most any reason and get away with it as long as they are on duty. You cannot.
When a cop gets arrested while being investigated, rather than being put on paid admin leave, then you might have a point.
The question is not about quantity of scrutiny, but the standards that each individual is held to. The threshold of what constitutes criminality is much less for a citizen. It is nearly nonexistent for a police officer.
Having spent some time on both sides of the investigations I can say you are incorrect in your perceptions. But I recognize from having been on this board for many years I am unlikely to change your belief.Serragon wrote: ↑July 18th, 2017, 9:26 pm
The question is not about quantity of scrutiny, but the standards that each individual is held to. The threshold of what constitutes criminality is much less for a citizen. It is nearly nonexistent for a police officer.
The end result for an officer might be suspension, a transfer, or more training. The end result for the rest of us would be 10 to 20 in the poky.
I've been a part of many of these investigations and your perceptions are also inaccurate. There have been arrests both directions for "bad" shootings. There have been many, as you put it "citizen" shootings that have not resulted in arrests.
My mind is completely open to being changed. But I have seen no evidence to suggest that what I believe is false. I respect your opinion, but your say so is not enough. Provide me with something that will cause me to rethink my opinions.mirkwood wrote: ↑July 18th, 2017, 9:42 pmHaving spent some time on both sides of the investigations I can say you are incorrect in your perceptions. But I recognize from having been on this board for many years I am unlikely to change your belief.Serragon wrote: ↑July 18th, 2017, 9:26 pm
The question is not about quantity of scrutiny, but the standards that each individual is held to. The threshold of what constitutes criminality is much less for a citizen. It is nearly nonexistent for a police officer.
The end result for an officer might be suspension, a transfer, or more training. The end result for the rest of us would be 10 to 20 in the poky.
As Paul Craig Roberts has noted police departments favor sociopathic hires nowadays. And one should avoid any interaction with police. True, most cops are good people but one can guess there are many more sociopaths in police work than in the general population and the militarization of police work sine 9-11 has made things really bad. As for the differences between a psychopath (using the terms as they are applied in society) who might be a calculating politician or leader in a religious body the sociopath is far less predictable in their interactions with people.eddie wrote: ↑July 18th, 2017, 2:15 pm I understand how on guard officers need to be these days, but somehow they have got to differinciate between a hardened criminal and someone needing help.
I live in Idaho and I've never seen more anal cops, what the hell, we citizens pay their wages! I will never call an officer to my home, they just cause more trouble with their nonsense and brow beatings, with any luck you won't be shot!

and“Minneapolis police have about half the black and Hispanic officers they need to accurately reflect the city’s population, records show. This comes despite years of diversity plans, legal action and a federal mediation agreement sparked by low levels of minority representation within the police,” the Star Tribune reported.
So let that sink in. When liberals, the LDS Church, the pope dude and others help facilitate more open doors immigration what it winds up doing is increasing the numbers of immigrants, which then means you have to give more preference to hiring people of those groups than to whites, and then as the population of these groups grow the more you have to increase the quotas for those groups.The city’s affirmative-action program requires it to give preferential treatment to minorities, not only those hired by the city but by all contractors awarded contracts of more than $100,000.
Joel wrote: ↑June 29th, 2017, 12:33 pmFor the past 20 years, ex-Army Ranger and “killology” expert Dave Grossman has been traveling across the US to train police officers on his philosophy of killing. Footage from one of Grossman’s seminars is juxtaposed with stark, brutal images of police brutality—including the shooting of Philando Castile by a Minnesota police officer.
Audio Released of Cops Who Turned Off Body Cams And Killed Justine Damond
Minneapolis, MN — New details are emerging about the tragic shooting of Justine Damond, an Australian yoga teacher and spiritual healer, by Officer Mohamed Noor. The Free Thought Project has learned that Noor had a history of complaints against him, neither he nor his partner chose to activate their body cameras before the shooting, and the audio from the radio dispatch has been released capturing Damond’s final moments on earth.
Officer Noor, who was sitting in the passenger seat of his patrol car at the time, opened fire through the driver’s side door hitting Damond at least once in the abdomen. Noor and his partner were responding to her 911 call about a possible sexual assault.
Police have yet to release any reason for Noor, who joined the force in 2015, to have opened fire as Damond was unarmed.
Witnesses told The Star Tribune that Damond, wearing pajamas, was speaking to officer Matthew Harrity, 25, through the driver-side window of the police cruiser when Noor, sitting in the passenger’s seat, shot Damond through the driver-side door.
Noor’s partner was allegedly “stunned” when Noor opened fire, KARE11 reported through a source.
Conveniently, for the officers involved in the shooting, it was revealed on Monday that neither of them had activated their body cameras. The dashcam, we are told, was not recording any video footage either.
Since 2016, Minneapolis has required all officers to wear and activate body cameras “at all times when they could reasonably anticipate that they may become involved in a situation for which activation is appropriate,” as noted by HuffPo.
But these officers conveniently managed to turn off both of their body cameras and the dashcam before entering the alleyway in response to Damond’s call about an alleged sexual assault taking place behind her home.
While police have been shamefully tight-lipped on the killing of an innocent unarmed mother, they did release audio of the conversation between the officers and dispatch immediately following Noor’s shots.
In the audio, one officer can be heard saying he sees a ‘female screaming behind a building’ after the shots were fired.
“Shots fired … we have one down,” an officer is heard calmly telling dispatch after Noor had shot Damond to death behind her home.
The conversation continues as Damond bleeds out in one of the safest neighborhoods in town — killed by those who are ostensibly sworn to protect.
Attorney Thomas Plunkett said in a statement that Noor “takes these events very seriously.”
“He joined the police force to serve the community and to protect the people he serves,” Plunkett said. “Officer Noor is a caring person with a family he loves, and he empathizes with the loss others are experiencing.”
However, it has since come to light that Noor had multiple complaints against him prior to killing Damond. One of the complaints is still open.
The open federal investigation into Noor stems from a former social worker from Minneapolis who says Noor and other officers violated her constitutional rights in March by ordering her detention at a hospital after she called 911 to report a drug crime and other issues.
Damond had also called 911 to report a crime, she was not fortunate enough, however, to file a complaint against Noor.
“We lost the dearest of people and are desperate for information,” Damond’s fiancé, Don Damond, said Monday, according to the Star Tribune, in his first public comments. “Piecing together Justine’s last moments before the homicide would provide small comfort as we grieve this tragedy.”
Sadly, it appears that this small comfort may be a long way away.
Some cops don't remember the buffer in their body cameras: Police body cam footage 'shows officer planting drugs'inho wrote: ↑July 18th, 2017, 12:49 pmSo this is why several articles said that they should have at least turned cameras on right after the shooting. This buffer is actually a clever thing. Some times things happen so quickly that there is no time to turn the camera on, but thanks to the buffer it is enough if you turn it on right after the situation.h_p wrote: ↑July 18th, 2017, 11:34 amThe Minneapolis Police Dept. requires any officer involved in using force to activate a body camera, The Minneapolis Star Tribune reported late Sunday, noting that, when activated, the body cameras feature a 30-second buffer -- which allows whatever occurred in the crucial 30 seconds before the camera was activated to still be recorded. The ACLU has called for penalties against the officers for not starting their units.
Well that sure sounds like an attempt to calm down people in light of a tragedy. Good PR. In translation I doubt it means anything of substance.Chief Harteau said the body cameras should have been activated, and added the department was examining its policy on cameras, including technological advances that turn them on automatically.