Re: Weaker men attracted to left-wing politics.
Posted: May 8th, 2019, 8:39 am
No I am being dead serious. Most men that I know that have the wife drive often are generally push overs.
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Re: Weaker men attracted to left-wing politics.
Posted: May 8th, 2019, 8:41 am
And I am being dead serious. Men who care about things and insist on driving are weak and insecure beyond comprehension.setyourselffree wrote: ↑May 8th, 2019, 8:39 amNo I am being dead serious. Most men that I know that have the wife drive often are generally push overs.
Re: Weaker men attracted to left-wing politics.
Posted: May 8th, 2019, 8:43 am
Caution: Some language
Is soy a culprit?
Is soy a culprit?
Is there a physiologic manifestation?
Re: Weaker men attracted to left-wing politics.
Posted: May 8th, 2019, 8:46 am
Well, that's why they controlled for it. Read the study. From section four:
Results were consistent with some but not all predictions tested. First, as expected, bodily formidability did relate negatively to sociopolitical egalitarianism. Bodily formidability correlated positively with SDO (a replication of Price et al., 2011) and negatively with support for redistribution. As noted above, these formidability-egalitarianism relationships could be the result of men calibrating their egalitarianism to their own formidability, or alternatively could be due to increased muscularity-striving among less-egalitarian men, or to egalitarianism and muscularity-striving both depending on a third variable. Therefore we checked whether relationships between bodily formidability and egalitarianism would remain significant, after controlling for the effects of time spent in gym on egalitarianism, and we found that they did remain significant in the case of SDO, but not in the case of support for redistribution.
Re: Weaker men attracted to left-wing politics.
Posted: May 8th, 2019, 8:48 am
Yes I insist on leading our family prayer and scripture study. I insist on being present with my children and leading them. I want them to know I am a leader and that I am going to take care of them. It also happens my wife agrees with me. We are both equal in everything, but she wants our children to know the man is to lead in the home. It's really not that big of a deal with the driving, but I do see it as weak. If you want to drive your family around with your man in shot gun, I don't care. Some of my best friends have there wives drive them around, but they are all push overs. Great men though!justme wrote: ↑May 8th, 2019, 8:41 amAnd I am being dead serious. Men who care about things and insist on driving are weak and insecure beyond comprehension.setyourselffree wrote: ↑May 8th, 2019, 8:39 amNo I am being dead serious. Most men that I know that have the wife drive often are generally push overs.
Re: Weaker men attracted to left-wing politics.
Posted: May 8th, 2019, 8:49 am
Read the study. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/a ... 3816303907setyourselffree wrote: ↑May 8th, 2019, 7:56 am How are they defining a weak man? Like physical strength, or mental strength?
Bodily formidability. A composite measure of bodily formidability was computed by converting all measurements for males in the sample to z-scores, and taking the mean of shoulder, chest, bicep, grip strength, and arm/chest strength measurements. All five z scores were highly intercorrelated (mean item-total correlation = 0.73) so the composite measure had high reliability (α = 0.89).
Waist-chest ratio. This measure of bodily attractiveness was calculated by dividing waist circumference by chest circumference. Several studies suggest that measures of torso “v-shapedness,” in particular lower waist-to-chest ratio, are excellent predictors of male bodily attractiveness (Coy et al., 2014, Fan et al., 2005, Horvath, 1979, Maisey et al., 1999, Price et al., 2013, Swami and Tovée, 2005, Swami et al., 2007).
Re: Weaker men attracted to left-wing politics.
Posted: May 8th, 2019, 8:52 am
The extreme irony is your "insisting" completely contradicts manliness. Sorry dude but you need to give up your man card.setyourselffree wrote: ↑May 8th, 2019, 8:48 amYes I insist on leading our family prayer and scripture study. I insist on being present with my children and leading them. I want them to know I am a leader and that I am going to take care of them. It also happens my wife agrees with me. We are both equal in everything, but she wants our children to know the man is to lead in the home. It's really not that big of a deal with the driving, but I do see it as weak. If you want to drive your family around with your man in shot gun, I don't care. Some of my best friends have there wives drive them around, but they are all push overs. Great men though!justme wrote: ↑May 8th, 2019, 8:41 amAnd I am being dead serious. Men who care about things and insist on driving are weak and insecure beyond comprehension.setyourselffree wrote: ↑May 8th, 2019, 8:39 amNo I am being dead serious. Most men that I know that have the wife drive often are generally push overs.
Re: Weaker men attracted to left-wing politics.
Posted: May 8th, 2019, 8:54 am
I better stop now since I promised Brian I would play nice and avoid personal attacks.
Re: Weaker men attracted to left-wing politics.
Posted: May 8th, 2019, 8:56 am
As a proud gym rat, I would have to disagree with this.
Re: Weaker men attracted to left-wing politics.
Posted: May 8th, 2019, 8:59 am
Duly noted Woman!justme wrote: ↑May 8th, 2019, 8:52 amThe extreme irony is your "insisting" completely contradicts manliness. Sorry dude but you need to give up your man card.setyourselffree wrote: ↑May 8th, 2019, 8:48 amYes I insist on leading our family prayer and scripture study. I insist on being present with my children and leading them. I want them to know I am a leader and that I am going to take care of them. It also happens my wife agrees with me. We are both equal in everything, but she wants our children to know the man is to lead in the home. It's really not that big of a deal with the driving, but I do see it as weak. If you want to drive your family around with your man in shot gun, I don't care. Some of my best friends have there wives drive them around, but they are all push overs. Great men though!justme wrote: ↑May 8th, 2019, 8:41 amAnd I am being dead serious. Men who care about things and insist on driving are weak and insecure beyond comprehension.setyourselffree wrote: ↑May 8th, 2019, 8:39 am
No I am being dead serious. Most men that I know that have the wife drive often are generally push overs.
Re: Weaker men attracted to left-wing politics.
Posted: May 8th, 2019, 9:02 am
Exactly! The very fact that he has to “insist” on leading prayer, driving the car, whatever, leads one to believe that he is insecure with his masculinity.justme wrote: ↑May 8th, 2019, 8:52 amThe extreme irony is your "insisting" completely contradicts manliness. Sorry dude but you need to give up your man card.setyourselffree wrote: ↑May 8th, 2019, 8:48 amYes I insist on leading our family prayer and scripture study. I insist on being present with my children and leading them. I want them to know I am a leader and that I am going to take care of them. It also happens my wife agrees with me. We are both equal in everything, but she wants our children to know the man is to lead in the home. It's really not that big of a deal with the driving, but I do see it as weak. If you want to drive your family around with your man in shot gun, I don't care. Some of my best friends have there wives drive them around, but they are all push overs. Great men though!justme wrote: ↑May 8th, 2019, 8:41 amAnd I am being dead serious. Men who care about things and insist on driving are weak and insecure beyond comprehension.setyourselffree wrote: ↑May 8th, 2019, 8:39 am
No I am being dead serious. Most men that I know that have the wife drive often are generally push overs.
Re: Weaker men attracted to left-wing politics.
Posted: May 8th, 2019, 9:08 am
Everything I have ever been taught by Priesthood leaders is that the man should lead in the home period. That does not mean dominating and demeaning my wife. She is my equal! Have you read Family proclamation to the world? Have you listened to an Apostle speak on this? Men are to lead in the home! I see we have some feminist in here today. Feminism as well as the Gay agenda will be what helps destroy the country.RocknRoll wrote: ↑May 8th, 2019, 9:02 amExactly! The very fact that he has to “insist” on leading prayer, driving the car, whatever, leads one to believe that he is insecure with his masculinity.justme wrote: ↑May 8th, 2019, 8:52 amThe extreme irony is your "insisting" completely contradicts manliness. Sorry dude but you need to give up your man card.setyourselffree wrote: ↑May 8th, 2019, 8:48 amYes I insist on leading our family prayer and scripture study. I insist on being present with my children and leading them. I want them to know I am a leader and that I am going to take care of them. It also happens my wife agrees with me. We are both equal in everything, but she wants our children to know the man is to lead in the home. It's really not that big of a deal with the driving, but I do see it as weak. If you want to drive your family around with your man in shot gun, I don't care. Some of my best friends have there wives drive them around, but they are all push overs. Great men though!
Re: Weaker men attracted to left-wing politics.
Posted: May 8th, 2019, 9:15 am
Yes, I have read the proclamation. Many times. Yes, I have listened to apostles and prophets speak on this. Many times. What does that have to do with whether or not one is insecure with their masculinity?setyourselffree wrote: ↑May 8th, 2019, 9:08 amEverything I have ever been taught by Priesthood leaders is that the man should lead in the home period. That does not mean dominating and demeaning my wife. She is my equal! Have you read Family proclamation to the world? Have you listened to an Apostle speak on this? Men are to lead in the home! I see we have some feminist in here today. Feminism as well as the Gay agenda will be what helps destroy the country.RocknRoll wrote: ↑May 8th, 2019, 9:02 amExactly! The very fact that he has to “insist” on leading prayer, driving the car, whatever, leads one to believe that he is insecure with his masculinity.justme wrote: ↑May 8th, 2019, 8:52 amThe extreme irony is your "insisting" completely contradicts manliness. Sorry dude but you need to give up your man card.setyourselffree wrote: ↑May 8th, 2019, 8:48 am
Yes I insist on leading our family prayer and scripture study. I insist on being present with my children and leading them. I want them to know I am a leader and that I am going to take care of them. It also happens my wife agrees with me. We are both equal in everything, but she wants our children to know the man is to lead in the home. It's really not that big of a deal with the driving, but I do see it as weak. If you want to drive your family around with your man in shot gun, I don't care. Some of my best friends have there wives drive them around, but they are all push overs. Great men though!
Re: Weaker men attracted to left-wing politics.
Posted: May 8th, 2019, 9:22 am
I don't know what does that have to do with it? I guess some men are spiritually insecure with their masculinity.RocknRoll wrote: ↑May 8th, 2019, 9:15 amYes, I have read the proclamation. Many times. Yes, I have listened to apostles and prophets speak on this. Many times. What does that have to do with whether or not one is insecure with their masculinity?setyourselffree wrote: ↑May 8th, 2019, 9:08 amEverything I have ever been taught by Priesthood leaders is that the man should lead in the home period. That does not mean dominating and demeaning my wife. She is my equal! Have you read Family proclamation to the world? Have you listened to an Apostle speak on this? Men are to lead in the home! I see we have some feminist in here today. Feminism as well as the Gay agenda will be what helps destroy the country.
Re: Weaker men attracted to left-wing politics.
Posted: May 8th, 2019, 9:31 am
Perhaps if men would uplift other men instead of tearing them down and destroying whatever masculinity they have left. I see men as more destructive to other men than women could ever be. Men and women are two different types and so how exactly can a woman really destroy man’s nature? Men and women CANNOT compete and men should never have their masculinity questioned (in their own minds) by a woman...but by other men, yes. Men compete and challenge and compare one another because they are in the same roles, men don't need to extend this to women because there literally is zero competition. A man will always have bigger balls than any and every single woman out there. Have men forgot that their battle is with other men and themselves and not with women? So what if shes crazy or has her own issues, thats nothing to do with you as a man.
So yeah, if men could realize they shouldn’t have comparisons with women and not question themselves as men because of comparing or competing with women AND men could stop putting other men down as sissy or soy boy or whatever else when not competing for a mate or survival then maybe we could start to have a better balance and men could start to find themselves again.
So yeah, if men could realize they shouldn’t have comparisons with women and not question themselves as men because of comparing or competing with women AND men could stop putting other men down as sissy or soy boy or whatever else when not competing for a mate or survival then maybe we could start to have a better balance and men could start to find themselves again.
Re: Weaker men attracted to left-wing politics.
Posted: May 8th, 2019, 9:38 am
Its been a design of the devil to destroy both men and women and its working so far. Just like any other weakness you have or tactic of the devil that brings us lower than our potential and to self doubts. The devil really just needs to keep us from realizing who we are and how powerful we are and he wins. Its a spiritual weakness for both genders to be insecure with their gender or an aspect of their gender to some degree...its difficult to be free of all insecurities because we literally are blind to our full potential and the meaning and importance of our gender. One gender is not better than the other and thats where alot of women have their insecurity, believing that men have some higher importance or prestige. So, cause women to think they are less than men and cause men to doubt their maleness...seems pretty cleaver to me and super easy to do.setyourselffree wrote: ↑May 8th, 2019, 9:22 amI don't know what does that have to do with it? I guess some men are spiritually insecure with their masculinity.RocknRoll wrote: ↑May 8th, 2019, 9:15 amYes, I have read the proclamation. Many times. Yes, I have listened to apostles and prophets speak on this. Many times. What does that have to do with whether or not one is insecure with their masculinity?setyourselffree wrote: ↑May 8th, 2019, 9:08 amEverything I have ever been taught by Priesthood leaders is that the man should lead in the home period. That does not mean dominating and demeaning my wife. She is my equal! Have you read Family proclamation to the world? Have you listened to an Apostle speak on this? Men are to lead in the home! I see we have some feminist in here today. Feminism as well as the Gay agenda will be what helps destroy the country.
Re: Weaker men attracted to left-wing politics.
Posted: May 8th, 2019, 9:52 am
The typical antifa couldn't fight off a beagle. They like to dress up in black and act so tough, but in an actual fight they would get the beating they usually ask for.setyourselffree wrote: ↑May 8th, 2019, 8:07 amYes they are all pretty physically fit. They typically take care of themselves. So are we talking mentally weak? And if they are mentally weak how would you define that?Fiannan wrote: ↑May 8th, 2019, 8:02 amSeen the typical leftist nowadays?setyourselffree wrote: ↑May 8th, 2019, 7:56 am How are they defining a weak man? Like physical strength, or mental strength?
And there have been plenty of studies that indicate that men who work out tend to be more conservative.
Re: Weaker men attracted to left-wing politics.
Posted: May 8th, 2019, 10:14 am
Taller men also tend to be more conservative. And make more money.
These kinds of correlations are well documented, but studies like the one you linked to in the OP are an attempt to suss out a causal relationship. For example, taller men make more money, but is that due to the rest of society affording them more advantages (i.e. they are more popular), or because taller people tend to naturally be more intelligent? And taller people tend to be more conservative, but again, does that result from making more money, or being more intelligent?
Or a combination of the two, or something else entirely? Etc.
Re: Weaker men attracted to left-wing politics.
Posted: May 8th, 2019, 10:18 am
You may be in bad circumstances, but this is not the response of a weak man.Dlight wrote: ↑May 7th, 2019, 9:04 pm As the weakest of men, in current health and finances, I can honestly tell you that I have no desire to force people to give me money by inaction of laws. But I am definitely a beggar at this point in my life. And low testosterone too
But I know enough about the gospel to realize that socialism is its own form of coveting to try to plunder people for riches:
Alma 17:14 and their hearts were set upon riches, or upon gold and silver, and precious stones; yet they sought to obtain these things by murdering and plundering, that they might not labor for them with their own hands.
I'm not out on the street or trying to take money from others but I have been forced to put my petition up a lot. I wish a mentor or someone wealthy exists out there to take me under their wing and help me walk upright, and invest in me, seeing my potential. I never had one growing up...but I read things like this scripture and I wonder if anyone I know would ever do that for me?
17 Think of your brethren like unto yourselves, and be familiar with all and free with your substance, that they may be rich like unto you.
To me if I ever get rich I will try to always be doing that for someone else based on my experience. I don't see that happening anytime soon for myself, I have sought it though. But I dont want it forced on everyone but thats only because I have the gospel in my life.
So instead I'm doing all I can in my power to fulfill my desire to stand on my own two feet, all while I have battled to recover my physical health with chronic fatigue and mood/anxiety and depression disorders which have really made it more difficult.
I am up working at 6am in the morning, driving for lyft in my spare time as needed, trying to start a business and do school, taking business classes and even I tried to enroll in the church self reliance program to teach me independence.
On one hand I hope to become industrious and strong person, and I work towards that every day, but on the other hand my entire life has given me nothing but one setback and stumble after the other. I turn to God and feel lots of comfort one day, I feel upbeat and positive and then next day I cant get out of bed, feel absolutely horrible and like I just want to give up.
My impression is that I just I need to just humble myself more because the things I want are maybe too lofty...the church and others are there to pay a phone or a car bill in a bad month. I can get some food when needed. But i'm not going to have someone put me through a program for mental health, or help me go into a mental health rehab place.
My sense is that I have to figure this out on my own with me and God so I can be more battle hardened so to speak.
Re: Weaker men attracted to left-wing politics.
Posted: May 8th, 2019, 10:46 am
Isn't that why old conservative white guys carry guns? Looking at most of them, they couldn't fight off a young guy whether he’s dressed in black or a speedo. Just sayin’ the typical conservative thinks they are tough but is that because they carry a weapon?Fiannan wrote: ↑May 8th, 2019, 9:52 amThe typical antifa couldn't fight off a beagle. They like to dress up in black and act so tough, but in an actual fight they would get the beating they usually ask for.setyourselffree wrote: ↑May 8th, 2019, 8:07 amYes they are all pretty physically fit. They typically take care of themselves. So are we talking mentally weak? And if they are mentally weak how would you define that?Fiannan wrote: ↑May 8th, 2019, 8:02 amSeen the typical leftist nowadays?setyourselffree wrote: ↑May 8th, 2019, 7:56 am How are they defining a weak man? Like physical strength, or mental strength?
And there have been plenty of studies that indicate that men who work out tend to be more conservative.
Re: Weaker men attracted to left-wing politics.
Posted: May 8th, 2019, 10:54 am
Isn't that why old conservative white guys carry guns? Looking at most of them, they couldn't fight off a young guy whether he’s dressed in black or a speedo. Just sayin’ the typical conservative thinks they are tough but is that because they carry a weapon?
Re: Weaker men attracted to left-wing politics.
Posted: May 8th, 2019, 11:24 am
I find it amusing yet sad that one would call me a woman as an insult. First of all he (or she) took a 50/50 gamble and lost. I happen to be male. But my favorite person in this world is a woman. And I see absolutely nothing derogatory about being a woman. I would even say that I am a feminist, but I know people will run with their own twisted definition of that word and throw up straw man after straw man.
I absolutely do not comprehend this fascination that some men have with "leading". I think it is insecurity and over compensating. I have no desire in life to lead or to be led. My wife and I together serve the family. I much prefer the word "serve".
I absolutely do not comprehend this fascination that some men have with "leading". I think it is insecurity and over compensating. I have no desire in life to lead or to be led. My wife and I together serve the family. I much prefer the word "serve".
Re: Weaker men attracted to left-wing politics.
Posted: May 8th, 2019, 11:39 am
The true definition of a leader is to serve others and help them to eventually be able to lead themselves, this is exactly how Christ operates. I find it offensive when men are called women or even feminine as an insult, Christ was very feminine as well. He loves little children as any woman with her ingrained “motherhood” would love them.justme wrote: ↑May 8th, 2019, 11:24 am I find it amusing yet sad that one would call me a woman as an insult. First of all he (or she) took a 50/50 gamble and lost. I happen to be male. But my favorite person in this world is a woman. And I see absolutely nothing derogatory about being a woman. I would even say that I am a feminist, but I know people will run with their own twisted definition of that word and throw up straw man after straw man.
I absolutely do not comprehend this fascination that some men have with "leading". I think it is insecurity and over compensating. I have no desire in life to lead or to be led. My wife and I together serve the family. I much prefer the word "serve".
It is pretty easy to see how fragile some men tend to be if they are not given some superior stance over women. I understand the good side of this when men have the desire to protect and take care of women but to have charge or dominion or control over them is not good in my eyes. I have always believed that strong men desire and are attracted to equally strong women. The men who need a wife who is less skilled and less intelligent, are indeed weaker men. Because they feel the need to be better than her to feel like the man, i guess. Competing across gender or with your spouse is about as pointless as it gets and wives hate it!
Serving together is a great way to look at it, men and women have what they need together to make it all work right, diminishing husbands or wives qualities or contributions hurts the whole family unit. Thats why having dominion over women is wrong, God gave women everything men didn't get so men need strong women to be complete and vise versa.
Re: Weaker men attracted to left-wing politics.
Posted: May 8th, 2019, 11:41 am
You know what Man, at the end of the day you can lead or not lead your family how you want. My biggest concern is what man and woman are doing to get there family to the Celestial kingdom. If what you guys are doing works then do it. I am doing it my way, and I feel it is working for me. Every family is different. By there fruits you will know them.justme wrote: ↑May 8th, 2019, 11:24 am I find it amusing yet sad that one would call me a woman as an insult. First of all he (or she) took a 50/50 gamble and lost. I happen to be male. But my favorite person in this world is a woman. And I see absolutely nothing derogatory about being a woman. I would even say that I am a feminist, but I know people will run with their own twisted definition of that word and throw up straw man after straw man.
I absolutely do not comprehend this fascination that some men have with "leading". I think it is insecurity and over compensating. I have no desire in life to lead or to be led. My wife and I together serve the family. I much prefer the word "serve".
Re: Weaker men attracted to left-wing politics.
Posted: May 8th, 2019, 11:44 am
Also I wasn't trying to insult you. You took it that way. Jesus often referred to his own mother as woman. It is one of the highest compliments anyone can be given.justme wrote: ↑May 8th, 2019, 11:24 am I find it amusing yet sad that one would call me a woman as an insult. First of all he (or she) took a 50/50 gamble and lost. I happen to be male. But my favorite person in this world is a woman. And I see absolutely nothing derogatory about being a woman. I would even say that I am a feminist, but I know people will run with their own twisted definition of that word and throw up straw man after straw man.
I absolutely do not comprehend this fascination that some men have with "leading". I think it is insecurity and over compensating. I have no desire in life to lead or to be led. My wife and I together serve the family. I much prefer the word "serve".