Evan McMullin for President 2016 LDS?

[Fiannan]

I don't consider 'christians' who judge people by this kind of information to be very christian.

And yet the Church recently banned children, who no fault of their own, happen to have lesbian parents, from being baptized. Do you also feel this towards the Church?

[shadow]

I had a bad feeling about him from the beginning.

I just found this article too:

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/8656 ... tml?pg=all" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

"She later married a woman, whom she now lives with. " referring to Mcmullin's mom.

No wonder he accepts the Supreme Court's unconstitutional decision on same sex marriage and wants to move on.

How many Christians would be voting for him if they knew about this? It also raises questions about his own personal stance on the issue.

He's 40 years old and not married, this alone should make people pause.

Bottom line, I trust Trump more than I trust Mcmullin.

So let me understand you.... You trust Trump more than McMullin because his mother(who has her agency) chose to live as a lesbian, he accepts the FACT that there should be no litmus test for Supreme court justices and they can only overturn decisions if a case if brought forward, Christians would NOT vote for him if they knew this and he's unmarried and 40 years old.

I don't consider 'christians' who judge people by this kind of information to be very christian. Even the church is not pushing back against same/sex laws--they are worrying about other things as well.

Okay, so he's unacceptable because of all these things, but Trump is trustworthy? Is he trustworthy because he proudly bragged about his adulterous affairs? He's got that advantage over McMullin, at least he's married, though he violates him marriage vows no matter which wife he's married to. And, as far as I know, he's got no homosexuals or lesbians in his family--but Anonymous, are you sure about this ? Would you get a 'bad feeling' about Trump if it turned out that he had gay family members?

McMullin's role is to be a Trump spoiler. That's it. He knows he won't win, he's admitted it. He knows he won't take any electorate votes from Hillary, he's not even trying. His only role is to take Utah by using his LDS membership (if he's still even a member. At most he's inactive) to sucker in the suckers who vote their own kind.
He's certainly not a conservative. He's pro TPP, he's pro war, he's pro Obamacare (I realize he says he's not, but if you read what he says he's for the main gist of it), he's pro gay marriage. There's really nothing he has that LDS should value. But most of all- he's in it so Trump loses. He prefers Hillary. That's terrible judgment in and of itself.
Trump is a moron, but he's better than Hillary and the choice is between those two.

[rewcox]

I had a bad feeling about him from the beginning.

I just found this article too:

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/8656 ... tml?pg=all" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

"She later married a woman, whom she now lives with. " referring to Mcmullin's mom.

No wonder he accepts the Supreme Court's unconstitutional decision on same sex marriage and wants to move on.

How many Christians would be voting for him if they knew about this? It also raises questions about his own personal stance on the issue.

He's 40 years old and not married, this alone should make people pause.

Bottom line, I trust Trump more than I trust Mcmullin.

So let me understand you.... You trust Trump more than McMullin because his mother(who has her agency) chose to live as a lesbian, he accepts the FACT that there should be no litmus test for Supreme court justices and they can only overturn decisions if a case if brought forward, Christians would NOT vote for him if they knew this and he's unmarried and 40 years old.

I don't consider 'christians' who judge people by this kind of information to be very christian. Even the church is not pushing back against same/sex laws--they are worrying about other things as well.

Okay, so he's unacceptable because of all these things, but Trump is trustworthy? Is he trustworthy because he proudly bragged about his adulterous affairs? He's got that advantage over McMullin, at least he's married, though he violates him marriage vows no matter which wife he's married to. And, as far as I know, he's got no homosexuals or lesbians in his family--but Anonymous, are you sure about this ? Would you get a 'bad feeling' about Trump if it turned out that he had gay family members?

McMullin's role is to be a Trump spoiler. That's it. He knows he won't win, he's admitted it. He knows he won't take any electorate votes from Hillary, he's not even trying. His only role is to take Utah by using his LDS membership (if he's still even a member. At most he's inactive) to sucker in the suckers who vote their own kind.
He's certainly not a conservative. He's pro TPP, he's pro war, he's pro Obamacare (I realize he says he's not, but if you read what he says he's for the main gist of it), he's pro gay marriage. There's really nothing he has that LDS should value. But most of all- he's in it so Trump loses. He prefers Hillary. That's terrible judgment in and of itself.
Trump is a moron, but he's better than Hillary and the choice is between those two.

And with all that, McMullin might win Utah. What does that say about how Mormons feel about Trump? Trump is a groper.

By the way, how do you feel about some of Trump's surrogates:

- Gingrich: Wanted his wife to allow an "open" marriage. Nice...
- Giuliani: Married 3 times, committed adultery.
- Bannon: Domestic violence.

And this one:

Sen. Jeff Sessions, an Alabama Republican and Trump supporter, told the Weekly Standard that he would not characterize grabbing a woman by her genitals as sexual assault.

At least some Mormons in Utah understand morality.

[shadow]

At least some Mormons in Utah understand morality.

Some do, that's true. Some see the Clintons as far worse with morality than Trump. And again, it's between those two.

Alma called his son Corianton on another mission after he reprimanded him for visiting the hot harlot Isabel. George Washington and Sally Fairfax had a "thing" yet God still seemed to use him for a wise purpose. God seems to do that quite often, just do a search of the founding Fathers immoral behaviors. Trump hasn't had any recent affairs in the last decade or so that we're aware of. I don't like the guy, he's a narcissist, but he's far better in my opinion than the Clinton machine.

[anonymous91]

AI2.0 said:

So let me understand you.... You trust Trump more than McMullin because his mother(who has her agency) chose to live as a lesbian, he accepts the FACT that there should be no litmus test for Supreme court justices and they can only overturn decisions if a case if brought forward, Christians would NOT vote for him if they knew this and he's unmarried and 40 years old.

I don't consider 'christians' who judge people by this kind of information to be very christian. Even the church is not pushing back against same/sex laws--they are worrying about other things as well.

Okay, so he's unacceptable because of all these things, but Trump is trustworthy? Is he trustworthy because he proudly bragged about his adulterous affairs? He's got that advantage over McMullin, at least he's married, though he violates him marriage vows no matter which wife he's married to. And, as far as I know, he's got no homosexuals or lesbians in his family--but Anonymous, are you sure about this ? Would you get a 'bad feeling' about Trump if it turned out that he had gay family members?

First of all, there are a lot of reasons that I don't trust Mcmullin. Shadow has expressed this better than I can.

How is it that you think I am judging "people by this kind of information"? You are simply putting words in my mouth that aren't there. You get a little confused with terminology. Not trusting someone, last time I checked is not condemning them or unrighteously judging them.

If you mean I am judging him based on his character, or ideas? Obviously.

The choices that Mcmullin's mom does not reflect on him, this is true. However, this can and does influence choices one would make as The President of the United States.

Same Sex marriage is an oxymoron in itself. I'll be the first to admit than no one is without sin, so this isn't about judging. This has to do with what is right and wrong. Evil is not good, yet that is exactly what the LGBTQ+ community is trying to convince the world that it is.

The huge elephant in the room is that homosexuality is a sin, and Political Correctness (PC) wants everyone to ignore that truth. Furthermore, they have taken that which is sacred, marriage, and turned it into a mockery.

This was done unconstitutionally by the Supreme Court. This can be fought, and ought to be.

Mcmullin's character is what we have to consider. He is LDS and like it or not, he is held to different standards than those who are not in the church. This goes to a person's character.

How moral and ethical is this person? What is his true purposes? Do I feel he will be a better President than "xyz"? and so forth. These are the questions I am asking.

I agree with Shadow:

Trump hasn't had any recent affairs in the last decade or so that we're aware of. I don't like the guy, he's a narcissist, but he's far better in my opinion than the Clinton machine.

So are you asking me why I trust Trump, over Mcmullin?

I believe that he is not part of the Globalist agenda, and that's why they are so afraid of him. If he does, what he says he'll do I'm more than willing to give him a shot. I would like to thing of Trump as a potential King Cyrus.

How you compare Mcmullin and Trump are irrelevant. The only way that would make sense, is if they were both LDS. Never said I like Trump, or that I condone his personal choices.

Mcmullin I don't trust, based on a whole lot more than just a gut feeling. His political platform tells me that he wouldn't be much better than Clinton, possibly worse.

By his own admission he's doing everything he can to make Trump lose, knowing this will put Hillary in office. Is he part of the Globalist, I doubt it It wouldn't surprise me to find out that they are using him though.

By the way, I don't appreciate you implying that I get "bad feelings" just because someone is gay.

I must have hit a sore spot for you. I can sympathize with people struggling with homosexuality, or any addiction. However, I don't condone it, nor do I embrace it. The morality has been sliding for decades in this country, we shouldn't be trying to maintain 'status quo', we should do all we can to reverse it.

If the two party system wasn't so entrenched I'd personally vote for Castle. I find him to be the best candidate, all things considered.

The reality is Trump or Clinton will win, period.

We already know what we can expect with Clinton. So, I definitely don't want what she's selling.

That leaves us with Trump. Could he screw us over, I suppose. The reality is we allowed things to get too far out of control, and these are the options we have left.

I'd rather take my chances with Trump.

[GrandMasterB]

I had a bad feeling about him from the beginning.

I just found this article too:

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/8656 ... tml?pg=all" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

"She later married a woman, whom she now lives with. " referring to Mcmullin's mom.

No wonder he accepts the Supreme Court's unconstitutional decision on same sex marriage and wants to move on.

How many Christians would be voting for him if they knew about this? It also raises questions about his own personal stance on the issue.

He's 40 years old and not married, this alone should make people pause.

Bottom line, I trust Trump more than I trust Mcmullin.

So let me understand you.... You trust Trump more than McMullin because his mother(who has her agency) chose to live as a lesbian, he accepts the FACT that there should be no litmus test for Supreme court justices and they can only overturn decisions if a case if brought forward, Christians would NOT vote for him if they knew this and he's unmarried and 40 years old.

I don't consider 'christians' who judge people by this kind of information to be very christian. Even the church is not pushing back against same/sex laws--they are worrying about other things as well.

Okay, so he's unacceptable because of all these things, but Trump is trustworthy? Is he trustworthy because he proudly bragged about his adulterous affairs? He's got that advantage over McMullin, at least he's married, though he violates him marriage vows no matter which wife he's married to. And, as far as I know, he's got no homosexuals or lesbians in his family--but Anonymous, are you sure about this ? Would you get a 'bad feeling' about Trump if it turned out that he had gay family members?

McMullin's role is to be a Trump spoiler. That's it. He knows he won't win, he's admitted it. He knows he won't take any electorate votes from Hillary, he's not even trying. His only role is to take Utah by using his LDS membership (if he's still even a member. At most he's inactive) to sucker in the suckers who vote their own kind.
He's certainly not a conservative. He's pro TPP, he's pro war, he's pro Obamacare (I realize he says he's not, but if you read what he says he's for the main gist of it), he's pro gay marriage. There's really nothing he has that LDS should value. But most of all- he's in it so Trump loses. He prefers Hillary. That's terrible judgment in and of itself.
Trump is a moron, but he's better than Hillary and the choice is between those two.

I am happy to help McMullin on his path to be the spoiler that steals this election from Trump. Trump is a con man who came in and ruined our chances at getting a real conservative in office. Everyone fell for his celebrity status. I will vote for McMullin. He may have less than 1% chance of becoming president if the election goes to the house but I will take 1% over no chance with Trump or Clinton as President.

[shadow]

I am happy to help McMullin on his path to be the spoiler that steals this election from Trump. Trump is a con man who came in and ruined our chances at getting a real conservative in office. Everyone fell for his celebrity status. I will vote for McMullin. He may have less than 1% chance of becoming president if the election goes to the house but I will take 1% over no chance with Trump or Clinton as President.

Trump didn't con anyone in this election. Republicans were and are sick of republican insiders and republican leaders. Remember how happy the people were when Boehner stepped down?? McMuffin was sad about that- he loved Boehner. Trump was an outsider so he won. Now the republican elite are again refusing to listen to their constituents by thwarting the guy they voted for by bringing in McMuffin to stop the process.

[rewcox]

I am happy to help McMullin on his path to be the spoiler that steals this election from Trump. Trump is a con man who came in and ruined our chances at getting a real conservative in office. Everyone fell for his celebrity status. I will vote for McMullin. He may have less than 1% chance of becoming president if the election goes to the house but I will take 1% over no chance with Trump or Clinton as President.

Trump didn't con anyone in this election. Republicans were and are sick of republican insiders and republican leaders. Remember how happy the people were when Boehner stepped down?? McMuffin was sad about that- he loved Boehner. Trump was an outsider so he won. Now the republican elite are again refusing to listen to their constituents by thwarting the guy they voted for by bringing in McMuffin to stop the process.

Sure Trump conned those who voted for him in the primary. Trump also will own his defeat. He won't own up to it, but he was Mr. Destructo.

GrandMasterB is correct, this should have been an easy take-down and pin.

[shadow]

I am happy to help McMullin on his path to be the spoiler that steals this election from Trump. Trump is a con man who came in and ruined our chances at getting a real conservative in office. Everyone fell for his celebrity status. I will vote for McMullin. He may have less than 1% chance of becoming president if the election goes to the house but I will take 1% over no chance with Trump or Clinton as President.

Trump didn't con anyone in this election. Republicans were and are sick of republican insiders and republican leaders. Remember how happy the people were when Boehner stepped down?? McMuffin was sad about that- he loved Boehner. Trump was an outsider so he won. Now the republican elite are again refusing to listen to their constituents by thwarting the guy they voted for by bringing in McMuffin to stop the process.

Sure Trump conned those who voted for him in the primary. Trump also will own his defeat. He won't own up to it, but he was Mr. Destructo.

GrandMasterB is correct, this should have been an easy take-down and pin.

The biggest con is McMuffin. Hillary is running to be president. Trump is running to be president. McMuffin is running to stop Trump from being president so Hillary will win. Although, his run is pointless at this point since Hillary will win because she has the media in her corner, and voting fraud. Maybe that's why he's kinda gone away.

[JK4Woods]

You all will be so surprised when Trump sweeps into the White House and turns out to be a solid President for this country.

[GrandMasterB]

You all will be so surprised when Trump sweeps into the White House and turns out to be a solid President for this country.

=))

Yes if that happens it would mean he lied about a rigged election. He himself pretty much admitted that if he wins it is not rigged but if he loses it is rigged. Sounds like he will make a solid president. We really need a guy who won't take responsibility for failure. Replacing Obama with another guy just like himself is making a solid choice, right?

[shadow]

You all will be so surprised when Trump sweeps into the White House and turns out to be a solid President for this country.

=))

Yes if that happens it would mean he lied about a rigged election. He himself pretty much admitted that if he wins it is not rigged but if he loses it is rigged. Sounds like he will make a solid president. We really need a guy who won't take responsibility for failure. Replacing Obama with another guy just like himself is making a solid choice, right?

He said he would accept the "results" if he wins. The election IS rigged, that's just fact. Hillary has the media on her side and they refuse to report most anything that's negative towards her. It's the democrats who vote when they're dead, not republicans. Even the illegals vote democrat.
No wonder why you're so confused about this election- you don't pay attention. It absolutely is rigged. Has been for years.

[rewcox]

You all will be so surprised when Trump sweeps into the White House and turns out to be a solid President for this country.

=))

Yes if that happens it would mean he lied about a rigged election. He himself pretty much admitted that if he wins it is not rigged but if he loses it is rigged. Sounds like he will make a solid president. We really need a guy who won't take responsibility for failure. Replacing Obama with another guy just like himself is making a solid choice, right?

He said he would accept the "results" if he wins. The election IS rigged, that's just fact. Hillary has the media on her side and they refuse to report most anything that's negative towards her. It's the democrats who vote when they're dead, not republicans. Even the illegals vote democrat.
No wonder why you're so confused about this election- you don't pay attention. It absolutely is rigged. Has been for years.

Something must have happened in 2000 and 2004. Maybe more democrats have passed away since 2004.

[JohnnyL]

I am happy to help McMullin on his path to be the spoiler that steals this election from Trump. Trump is a con man who came in and ruined our chances at getting a real conservative in office. Everyone fell for his celebrity status. I will vote for McMullin. He may have less than 1% chance of becoming president if the election goes to the house but I will take 1% over no chance with Trump or Clinton as President.

GMB, let's repeat this: NO... REAL... conservative... would get into office.

Also: Trump did not steal or take anything--it was given to him. What con did he run, pray tell? Who (actual names) did he con?

If it goes to the House, McMullin has 0% chance. Clinton has 100% chance.

[Fiannan]

If it goes to the House, McMullin has 0% chance. Clinton has 100% chance.

That is what that operative wishes. He was covert ops. He knows his business. And what is unfair is he is manipulating the most trusting people of all time.

[GrandMasterB]

I am happy to help McMullin on his path to be the spoiler that steals this election from Trump. Trump is a con man who came in and ruined our chances at getting a real conservative in office. Everyone fell for his celebrity status. I will vote for McMullin. He may have less than 1% chance of becoming president if the election goes to the house but I will take 1% over no chance with Trump or Clinton as President.

GMB, let's repeat this: NO... REAL... conservative... would get into office.

Also: Trump did not steal or take anything--it was given to him. What con did he run, pray tell? Who (actual names) did he con?

If it goes to the House, McMullin has 0% chance. Clinton has 100% chance.

He lied and attacked his opponents with slander. If you think that is winning fair and square you're wrong. If Trump wouldn't have lied and been so dirty in the primaries and still won, he wouldn't be down in the polls against Hillary right now as the #nevertrump would have never materialized against him. Trump is to blame for this failure 100%.

[GrandMasterB]

You all will be so surprised when Trump sweeps into the White House and turns out to be a solid President for this country.

=))

Yes if that happens it would mean he lied about a rigged election. He himself pretty much admitted that if he wins it is not rigged but if he loses it is rigged. Sounds like he will make a solid president. We really need a guy who won't take responsibility for failure. Replacing Obama with another guy just like himself is making a solid choice, right?

He said he would accept the "results" if he wins. The election IS rigged, that's just fact. Hillary has the media on her side and they refuse to report most anything that's negative towards her. It's the democrats who vote when they're dead, not republicans. Even the illegals vote democrat.
No wonder why you're so confused about this election- you don't pay attention. It absolutely is rigged. Has been for years.

Why do you think I am voting 3rd party? It is because the 2 party system has rigged this. The people are lied to on both sides and believe everything from their party. Trump has an R by his name so all the republicans are supposed to believe him even if there are 30 years of statements from the guy expressing progressive liberal views. Same thing happens on the dem side. I have had it. Pence can go pander to someone else by asking all the republicans to come home. Like we are slaves coming home to the master, right, Pence?! Talk about a Gaddianton Robber. Pence makes me sick. No wonder why Trump picked an establishment guy. Trump has sold himself to the establishment. Trump is part of the problem and not the solution. He is an opportunist and took it, screwing over America in the process. The party will continue to hold power over the people until we stop being pawns in their games. I am finished with the GOP and will not support them or their candidate until we are free from the rigged system. You, my friend, are free to be a pawn in their game, but I have left the board.

[Lexew1899]

Evan McMullin is responsible for his own disgraceful actions. Blaming others for his vile and hateful lashing out against the American voters is really sad. If Evan was so concerned about the country he should have ran for President in an open and honest election. Not sqiurm his way in via Bill Kristol and the Romney, Bush money men. Perhaps his puffed up ego couldn't stop him from spending some time in the limelight.

But thanks for constantly bumping this thread. Many guest readers have thanked me for writing it. Getting the truth out about McMullin is wonderful. Much thanks! :ymapplause:

[anonymous91]

GrandMasterB,

if you are voting for a 3rd party candidate, why Mcmullin? Why not a solid 3rd party candidate, like Castle?

[GrandMasterB]

Evan McMullin is responsible for his own disgraceful actions. Blaming others for his vile and hateful lashing out against the American voters is really sad. If Evan was so concerned about the country he should have ran for President in an open and honest election. Not sqiurm his way in via Bill Kristol and the Romney, Bush money men. Perhaps his puffed up ego couldn't stop him from spending some time in the limelight.

But thanks for constantly bumping this thread. Many guest readers have thanked me for writing it. Getting the truth out about McMullin is wonderful. Much thanks! :ymapplause:

What is disgraceful about his actions? You mean exercising his freedom of speech? The primaries are held so the 2 corrupt parties can select their nominees and make the people feel like they have a say in that process. Anyone can run for president outside of the disgraceful 2 party system. Just remember you can buy anything in this world with money, even the Presidency of the United States.

[GrandMasterB]

GrandMasterB,

if you are voting for a 3rd party candidate, why Mcmullin? Why not a solid 3rd party candidate, like Castle?

First, thanks for asking.
Castle would be a wasted vote for my purpose. I want a 3rd party candidate to actually take a state so we can affect real change in this country. I live in Utah and it is simply the best chance to do that. If I lived in Tennessee I would probably be voting for Castle. Before McMullin started surging in the polls, I was just going to write in Ted Cruz. That would have been a wasted vote, but at least my conscience would be satisfied. I started looking at McMullin as a chance to vote but not throw my vote away. I know what has been posted about him and I do take it into consideration, but after going to the sources and actually listening to him, I find he is a guy just trying to stand up and do what he feels is right. I have prayed about this and feel this is what I need to do. I have confirmation that Evan is a good man. He has served our country well and having been in the military myself the conspiracy theories said about the CIA are just wrong. They aren't the gaddianton robbers, though they may be used unknowingly to do their bidding. I have seen nothing disqualifying in Evan's character. I don't believe in accusing people because of association. I make my decisions based on one's actions and the prompting I get from the Spirit. The prompting I get about Trump is not good. I waited and waited for him to do something or say anything that could change my impression of him. I watched him flip flop on every policy proposal that was important to me. That tells me he did not have core principles connected to these policies. Basically he was learning what it means to be a true republican/conservative during the primaries. He doesn't live by the things he says on the campaign trail. His world view hasn't been shaped by concervatine principles. His world view has been shaped by Trump. And it is Trump he will always fall back on. Narcissism at its finest. This is why a man like Trump is dangerous. You think Obama was bad just wait and see what happens if Trump becomes President. You think he is crying about a rigged system now just wait and see what he does when he has to fight congress. He will start decrying how there is a conspiracy against him. He will rally the people and we could see a dictator born. I would like to add that Clinton is a criminal and yes the media are in bed with her. So there you ahave it. I cannot in good conscience support Clinton or Trump. If we are going to have a revolution Trump is the last person I want taking us there. I trust in God that his designs will be accomplished and he will sustain me in my decision to vote principles over party.

I would like to add that I don't fear what man can do, but have put my faith in God. It is true that there is a 99.9% chance that Trump or Clinton will be the president. What will be will be and whatever that is will play into end times for the eventual cleansing of Zion and Christ's return. I trust the Lord that he is in charge and no matter what his purposes will be accomplished. He could as easily take Hillary from this earth if having her become President would frustrate His plans. Same goes for Trump.

[Lexew1899]

Evan is certainly demonstrating that you can buy anything in this world with money. Many Mormons votes for example.

[GrandMasterB]

Evan is certainly demonstrating that you can buy anything in this world with money. Many Mormons votes for example.

Buying votes is illegal. Do you have evidence that Evan is buying votes with money? I am sure the FEC would want to be notified immediately.

[Fiannan]

Evan is certainly demonstrating that you can buy anything in this world with money. Many Mormons votes for example.

Buying votes is illegal. Do you have evidence that Evan is buying votes with money? I am sure the FEC would want to be notified immediately.

You know what he means GMB

[GrandMasterB]

Evan is certainly demonstrating that you can buy anything in this world with money. Many Mormons votes for example.

Buying votes is illegal. Do you have evidence that Evan is buying votes with money? I am sure the FEC would want to be notified immediately.

You know what he means GMB

Yes I do. Did he or did he not suggest Evan is buying Mormon votes? Okay I didn't need to bring up the FEC, but I would like to know why he believes Evan is buying Mormon votes.