What? Important Climate Update!

[samizdat]

D plus? Trump got a c plus in my view. Hillary a D minus.

Trump is probably going to win, especially if he kills it on the third debate.

The media have thrown everything plus the kitchen sink against Trump and he is still down by only four points.

He is not down 11. That would mean Texas, Alaska, and Indiana are in play. They are not.

[Ezra]

If trump wins I'm going to...



Continue getting prepared for the destruction of America.

If Hillary wins I will do the same at the same pace. I don't trust either of them.

[shadow]

D plus? Trump got a c plus in my view. Hillary a D minus.

Trump is probably going to win, especially if he kills it on the third debate.

Do you really think Trump will win? I don't think he has a chance. I think it's a slam dunk for Hillary.

[markharr]

D plus? Trump got a c plus in my view. Hillary a D minus.

Trump is probably going to win, especially if he kills it on the third debate.

Do you really think Trump will win? I don't think he has a chance. I think it's a slam dunk for Hillary.

Let me guess. You live in Utah where we have a low unemployment rate, a large tech sector providing good jobs and people are generally happy.

Go outside of utah to one of the states devastated by NAFTA and high unemployment. Or just look at the empirical evidence.

Trump packs stadiums. People are turned away. Hillary can't fill high school gymnasiums even if they force the students to go.
Trump has more social media followers and likes
Republican Primary turnout was up 62% this year.
Democratic Primary turnout was down 21% this year.

In states like Pennsylvania people have been switching parties in droves.

The polls are the anomaly all other indicators point to Trump.


Now let's look at the polls. Many polls up to this point including Primary polls, the brexit polls, and the Columbia farc peace deal poll have been wrong. Not just wrong but wrong by a lot. Just as one example, every Michigan primary poll showed Hillary leading by double digits. Some as high as 20%. she lost Michigan. Even ace statistician Nate Silver said Hillary had a 99% chance of winning Michigan and that Trump only had a 2-20% chance of winning the primary. The exact quote was.

“[C]ould Trump win?,We confront two stubborn facts: first, that nobody remotely like Trump has won a major-party nomination in the modern era. And second, as is always a problem in analysis of presidential campaigns, we don’t have all that many data points, so unprecedented events can occur with some regularity. For my money, that adds up to Trump’s chances being higher than 0 but (considerably) less than 20 percent. Your mileage may vary.”

Our mileage did vary Mr. Silver. It was less than 100% and considerably more than 20%. Oh wait, it was 100%.

So why are they wrong this year?

Because first of all the methodology is d+11 which means that Democrats turnout has to be 11 points higher for the poll to be accurate. We know from the primaries that Dem turnout is way down, and republican turnout is up. No reason to believe that won't carry over in the general election

Secondly, nobody responds to phone polls anymore. In 1980, the phone poll participation rate was 70%. The participation rate now is .9%. yes, that is a decimal in front of that 9. Phone polling is simply no longer accurate. The sample size isn't large enough for it to be accurate. They need to find new and relevant ways to poll.

https://www.wired.com/2016/06/civis-ele ... ers-trump/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


Trump may very well lose Utah, but Utah has never decided a presidential election. I think it's going to be a landslide for Trump. He simply has the enthusiasm.

[Elizabeth]

Fraud is the problem. How this can be overcome at this stage is the unanswerable question.

[kennyhs]

Clinton is leading in all the battleground states. She only needs to win a couple to be the next President. Trump would have to win all of them. Slim chance.

But Trump hasn't given up, promising magic to the Steel workers in Pennsylvania. I think he has been in Vegas too much.

This guy is scary...

http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/21/politics/ ... index.html

http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/01/politics/ ... index.html

Ummm rewcox, I think you misread the report card, I loved the 2nd debate, especially where he said she would be in jail! hahaha

[anonymous91]

Here is the biggest problem I have with some of the people that are voting. Simply put they have no idea what they are voting for.

FYI, these videos are not based on her actual platform, but to show how dumbed down the average American has become. Most of these people would agree with Hillary Clinton, no matter what she wants to do or how radical it is.

Frankly, this is what scares me. The lack of intelligence amongst some Americans is mind boggling.

As one of the posters commented said "I feel like an IQ test should be required to vote right now." (Ashley Miller)

Plus, I thought we could al use a good laugh or two.

Just take a look at what people are willing to accept by voting for Hillary:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKosd0xJadE" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; (Acceptance of Sharia Law)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiZFXkmofgI" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; (Repeal the Bill of Rights)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gc4Mi4o ... e=youtu.be" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; (Trump's Sons Kill a Triceratops on Hunting Safari - Liberals Believe, And They're Very Upset ) I fell off y chair laughing at this one

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ve6SN43z4E" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; (Liberals Want New American Flag with Rainbow Stripes for "Diversity" ) No respect anymore

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MqThICO9NM4" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; (Liberals Demand Trump be Arrested for "Hate Speech" - Petitioning Attorney General for Indictment) Definitely a violation of our First Amendment Rights.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q63h59hFcX0" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; (Liberals Sign Petition to Allow Illegal Immigrants to Vote in 2016 Presidential Election)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLGG8VlDAOc" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; (Young People Shocked By Hillary's Scandals)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7uVxHLT-aY" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; (New "Male Privilege Tax" Supported by Feminists Who Want Men's Income Taxed More Than Women's!!!)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9WUeHHzf7s" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; (Liberals Trying to Ban the Bible from Amazon.com and Barnes and Noble)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n02qgqtpRKY" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; (College Students Sign Petition to Imprison All Registered Gun Owners!)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92VOxknTtlM" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; (Students Sign Petition To Kill Newborns (Up To 5yrs Old))

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8unYYxjTu4" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; (Stupid Liberals Think John Wayne Just Endorsed Hillary Clinton And Are Very Happy (Hint: He's Dead))

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHV5p5We_Ds" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; (What Was Hillary Clinton's Previous Job? Liberals Don't Even Know !!! )

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxbvVPMUXU4" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; (30% of People are Gay - According to Brainwashed Americans, Due to LGBT Propaganda in the Media 24/7)


And finally.... Hillary tells the truth:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHUqUytzt2g" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I hope everyone had a good laugh.

[anonymous91]

One more that I just found.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECx6vmFOVss" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; (Why are you voting for Hilary Clinton? )

All of these people say because she's a woman. Talk about sexist, not one person was able to give an intelligent reason on why they were voting for her, other than she was female.

I'm absolutely stunned on people making such an important decision based on nothing but a person's gender.

Never mind what atrocities she will lead this country into.

[mhewett]

Rewcox, how do you feel about someone being above the law, where laws that apply to everyone else do not apply to them? Hillary should be in jail, others have been thrown into jail for less. She broke the law, she should be prosecuted. The fact that you defend her illegal activities shows principle to you does not matter.

It certainly is sad with all of Hillary's baggage, that Trump has chosen to make everything about himself. He is to blame, and all those that voted for him in the primaries own this one. Very sad.

You must be a politician Rewcox, you changed the subject and did not respond to my comment. Rewcox, Hillary Clinton is a criminal, she broke the law, the FBI admitted she broke the law, everyone knows she broke the law, do you support a proven criminal, I mean an actual criminal who has committed illegal acts, being elected as President of the United States?

You don't have to vote for her. She only needs 51%, which she appears to have. Too bad the Republicans decided to eat vomit.

You still did not answer the question. It's obvious you support her, how do feel about giving your vote to someone who you are ok with being above the law, that your candidate is not subject to the same laws as as you or the rest of the american people?

Does principle matter or is it just the side that counts?

[rewcox]

Since Brietbart is the only valid news place today, this DesNews article is probably meaningless.

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/8656 ... oters.html

Mormons are strange, crude comments about women seem to affect them. Are they not in the big and spacious building???

Trump 26%
Hillary 26%
McMullin 22%
Johnson 14%

Utah only has 6 electoral votes, not sure that it matters. Having a conscience does. Trump is going down!

Now if CNN picks this up, that would be news! Of course, CNN is not a valid news place either, only Brietbart and Fox.

[gkearney]

Since Brietbart is the only valid news place today, this DesNews article is probably meaningless.

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/8656 ... oters.html

Mormons are strange, crude comments about women seem to affect them. Are they not in the big and spacious building???

Trump 26%
Hillary 26%
McMullin 22%
Johnson 14%

Utah only has 6 electoral votes, not sure that it matters. Having a conscience does. Trump is going down!

Now if CNN picks this up, that would be news! Of course, CNN is not a valid news place either, only Brietbart and Fox.

You had better believe that not being able to carry Utah will matter. Trump, even starting out had no margin for error. He had to carry all the states that Romney did in the last election and pick up at least one or two others. Loosing a safe state like Utah is simply something he can not make up. There is simply no room on the map to make up this kind of problem.

[Fiannan]

Maybe if Trump loses Utah we can have a special musical featuring Miley Cyrus as the opening performance for the Mormon Tabernacle Choir. We also need to make sure all our medical facilities offer abortion services, including those owned and operated by the church and as for those special sealings in the temple...

[anonymous91]

Sadly in the history of elected Presidents, there has been only once that an Independent was ever elected President of the US.

Want to take any guesses who that President was? It was George Washington

Since then the strongest showing for a third-party candidate came in 1912, when former President Teddy Roosevelt left the Republican Party. He ended up coming in second, with 27.4 percent of the popular vote and 88 electoral votes.

What does that mean for this election? If an Independent wins the electoral votes for that state, he unintentionally helps either the Republican or Democratic Party out instead, whomever has the leading electoral votes.

Which puts us right back to Square One: Clinton or Trump? History shows that one of them will be the next President.

To help with this decision, check out what Megadeth's Dave Mustaine, has stated recently (I'm a big metal fan):

"If you wanna know how things are gonna look, it's gonna be real simple to boil it down. If you wanna know what being with Bernie Sanders [as president] would look like, look at Venezuela. If you wanna know what being with Hillary Clinton [as president] would look like, it'll be more of the same. If you don't want either one of those things, the other choice is gonna be Donald Trump. Now, I think that because of the fact that Hillary may be going… [she] may be unable to run for office because of her criminal proceedings that look like they're gonna take place, it looks like the Democratic party is getting some people ready, like, in the back. You hear rumblings [of] Jennifer Warren (I'm pretty sure Mustaine was referring to Massachusettes senator Elizabeth Warren, who has stated she is not interested in running. )[sic] and Joe Biden still kind of hovering around and stuff like that. And the same thing is, like, why did Mitt Romney all of a sudden start talking up again. I mean, he's more outgoing right now against Donald Trump than he was against Barack Obama."

He went on to say:

"I believe we're right on the cusp where something super fantastic is gonna happen in our nation right now. I think that this election is gonna have explosive repercussions one way or the other, and if it doesn't go the right way, America is gonna be in a lot of trouble. But everybody needs to remember this number: it's article 25."

That pretty much sums it up. Mustaine knows what he is talking about. FYI, he has not publicly endorsed any candidate.

[Mark]

“If no candidate receives a majority of Electoral votes, the House of Representatives elects the President from the 3 Presidential candidates who received the most Electoral votes. Each state delegation has one vote” (Office of the Federal Register, from the 12th Amendment).

This could make it interesting if someone like McMullin carried Utah. Who knows?

[Finrock]

Look at the Clinton Foundation. Look at Benghazi. Look at Libya. Look at Iran deals. Look at arming rebels. Look at email scandal. Read the wikileaks documents on Hillary Clinton. Look at the Democratic primary race. Look at how she is colluding with the media and vice-versa. She is a part of the Gadianton order, hands down. Without accepting the fact that our society is corrupt to the core, it is incomprehensible to me that she is even a contender in this race. If I accept the fact that our society is corrupt to the core, then I can at least comprehend it, but that doesn't take the sorrow and the pain away.

-Finrock

[Rensai]

“If no candidate receives a majority of Electoral votes, the House of Representatives elects the President from the 3 Presidential candidates who received the most Electoral votes. Each state delegation has one vote” (Office of the Federal Register, from the 12th Amendment).

This could make it interesting if someone like McMullin carried Utah. Who knows?

McMullin has zero chance. Zero. Just think about this for a minute. Do you honestly believe the electoral college would ever pick anyone other than one of the main 2 parties candidate? And suppose they were dumb enough to try, would the american people accept a person as president that practically no one voted for? There was a huge outcry when Bush Jr won over Gore because Gore won the popular vote. Imagine the outcry if they chose a candidate that practically no one wanted.

Also, McMullin is almost certainly a Hillary plant with no other goal than to draw away enough Trump support to give her a chance in Utah. Good guys don't have the CIA and Goldman Sachs on their resume, but friends of Hillary do.

[Mark]

“If no candidate receives a majority of Electoral votes, the House of Representatives elects the President from the 3 Presidential candidates who received the most Electoral votes. Each state delegation has one vote” (Office of the Federal Register, from the 12th Amendment).

This could make it interesting if someone like McMullin carried Utah. Who knows?

McMullin has zero chance. Zero. Just think about this for a minute. Do you honestly believe the electoral college would ever pick anyone other than one of the main 2 parties candidate? And suppose they were dumb enough to try, would the american people accept a person as president that practically no one voted for? There was a huge outcry when Bush Jr won over Gore because Gore won the popular vote. Imagine the outcry if they chose a candidate that practically no one wanted.

Also, McMullin is almost certainly a Hillary plant with no other goal than to draw away enough Trump support to give her a chance in Utah. Good guys don't have the CIA and Goldman Sachs on their resume, but friends of Hillary do.

You are missing my point. I never said McMullin would win the general election. However he could throw a wrench into the process. We all know from scripture and more modern revelation that Satan will wage war on the Saints that will be unprecedented prior to the coming of the Lord by stirring up Babylon to fight against the humble followers of Christ. What if those troublemaking "Mormons" were seen as disrupting the election of one of Babylons 2 chosen gadianton party candidates in this con game being perpetrated on naive and stupid Americans who are basically clueless as to the reality of our day. Politics is a blood sport. Who controls that arena? It could get ugly fast. Remember what Bill Clintons mentor said?

"The argument that the two parties should represent opposed ideals and policies, one, perhaps, of the Right and the other of the Left, is a foolish idea acceptable only to the doctrinaire and academic thinkers. Instead, the two parties should be almost identical, so that the American people can "throw the rascals out" at any election without leading to any profound or extreme shifts in policy. Then it should be possible to replace it, every four years if necessary, by the other party, which will be none of these things but will still pursue, with new vigor, approximately the same basic policies."

- Professor Carroll Quigley, Tragedy and Hope (1966), p. 1247-1248

[Army Of Truth]

Look at the Clinton Foundation. Look at Benghazi. Look at Libya. Look at Iran deals. Look at arming rebels. Look at email scandal. Read the wikileaks documents on Hillary Clinton. Look at the Democratic primary race. Look at how she is colluding with the media and vice-versa. She is a part of the Gadianton order, hands down. Without accepting the fact that our society is corrupt to the core, it is incomprehensible to me that she is even a contender in this race. If I accept the fact that our society is corrupt to the core, then I can at least comprehend it, but that doesn't take the sorrow and the pain away.

-Finrock

:ymapplause: :ymapplause: :ymapplause: :ymapplause:

Me too! The only vote I would give Hillary would be a vote to put her in Prison! :ymdevil:

[Rensai]

“If no candidate receives a majority of Electoral votes, the House of Representatives elects the President from the 3 Presidential candidates who received the most Electoral votes. Each state delegation has one vote” (Office of the Federal Register, from the 12th Amendment).

This could make it interesting if someone like McMullin carried Utah. Who knows?

McMullin has zero chance. Zero. Just think about this for a minute. Do you honestly believe the electoral college would ever pick anyone other than one of the main 2 parties candidate? And suppose they were dumb enough to try, would the american people accept a person as president that practically no one voted for? There was a huge outcry when Bush Jr won over Gore because Gore won the popular vote. Imagine the outcry if they chose a candidate that practically no one wanted.

Also, McMullin is almost certainly a Hillary plant with no other goal than to draw away enough Trump support to give her a chance in Utah. Good guys don't have the CIA and Goldman Sachs on their resume, but friends of Hillary do.

You are missing my point. I never said McMullin would win the general election. However he could throw a wrench into the process. We all know from scripture and more modern revelation that Satan will wage war on the Saints that will be unprecedented prior to the coming of the Lord by stirring up Babylon to fight against the humble followers of Christ. What if those troublemaking "Mormons" were seen as disrupting the election of one of Babylons 2 chosen gadianton party candidates in this con game being perpetrated on naive and stupid Americans who are basically clueless as to the reality of our day. Politics is a blood sport. Who controls that arena? It could get ugly fast. Remember what Bill Clintons mentor said?

"The argument that the two parties should represent opposed ideals and policies, one, perhaps, of the Right and the other of the Left, is a foolish idea acceptable only to the doctrinaire and academic thinkers. Instead, the two parties should be almost identical, so that the American people can "throw the rascals out" at any election without leading to any profound or extreme shifts in policy. Then it should be possible to replace it, every four years if necessary, by the other party, which will be none of these things but will still pursue, with new vigor, approximately the same basic policies."

- Professor Carroll Quigley, Tragedy and Hope (1966), p. 1247-1248

Thanks for clarifying. That seems more possible than the idea that he could actually win. I disagree about trump being a gadianton though, at least not the globalist types that are running the country now. They are doing everything they can to fight against trump. That's why almost all mainstream media and even many republicans now fight against trump. I see that as a good sign. As for McMullin, after seeing how much he is affecting Utah I've been reading up on him a lot. I'm more and more convinced he's backed by the GOP elite, the never trumpers, who are now coming out in favor of hillary. Helping her is the most likely outcome of McMullins campaign that I can see. Utah should have been an easy win for the republicans, but now Trump and Clinton are tied because McMullin has around 22% of the conservative vote locked out and wasted on him. He's funded by big GOP elites and has a shady past working for CIA and Goldman Sachs. His positions are pure fluff, with no substance, and much like obama, he's being touted as this great hero but nobody really knows much of anything about him.

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/4 ... servatives" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[kennyhs]

D plus? Trump got a c plus in my view. Hillary a D minus.

Trump is probably going to win, especially if he kills it on the third debate.

Do you really think Trump will win? I don't think he has a chance. I think it's a slam dunk for Hillary.

I think you will be surprised at what Americans will do to keep the status quo out of office.

[larsenb]

“If no candidate receives a majority of Electoral votes, the House of Representatives elects the President from the 3 Presidential candidates who received the most Electoral votes. Each state delegation has one vote” (Office of the Federal Register, from the 12th Amendment).

This could make it interesting if someone like McMullin carried Utah. Who knows?

McMullin is in the running for the express purpose of throwing the election into the House, according to the Deseret News. I'm not too impressed with his work pedigree, myself. CIA guy, CFR member, has worked for Goldman Sachs, is a tool of the never Trumpers.

If McMullin or someone like him carries Utah, my own view towards my fellow Utahns is a feeling of sadness for them. Clueless.

Far from interesting.

[rewcox]

D plus? Trump got a c plus in my view. Hillary a D minus.

Trump is probably going to win, especially if he kills it on the third debate.

Do you really think Trump will win? I don't think he has a chance. I think it's a slam dunk for Hillary.

I think you will be surprised at what Americans will do to keep the status quo out of office.

Too bad Trump makes status quo look good.

[larsenb]

D plus? Trump got a c plus in my view. Hillary a D minus.

Trump is probably going to win, especially if he kills it on the third debate.

Do you really think Trump will win? I don't think he has a chance. I think it's a slam dunk for Hillary.

I think you will be surprised at what Americans will do to keep the status quo out of office.

Too bad Trump makes status quo look good.

Only to someone who thinks the Obama/Hillary status quo is good. That would be rewcoxie.

[kennyhs]

D plus? Trump got a c plus in my view. Hillary a D minus.

Trump is probably going to win, especially if he kills it on the third debate.

Do you really think Trump will win? I don't think he has a chance. I think it's a slam dunk for Hillary.

I think you will be surprised at what Americans will do to keep the status quo out of office.

Too bad Trump makes status quo look good.

:p, Trump is anything but a career politician, he has addressed points that no one else had the guts to do.

[shadow]

D plus? Trump got a c plus in my view. Hillary a D minus.

Trump is probably going to win, especially if he kills it on the third debate.

Do you really think Trump will win? I don't think he has a chance. I think it's a slam dunk for Hillary.

I think you will be surprised at what Americans will do to keep the status quo out of office.

I hope so but I don't dismiss what the status quo will do to stay in office.