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David13 wrote:

Ezra wrote:

David13 wrote:

Ezra wrote:

Joseph smith disagrees


Joseph Smith Jr.: "We shall have the satisfaction of knowing we have acted conscienciously and have used our best judgement, and if we have to throw away our votes, we had better do so upon a worthy rather than an unworthy individual who might make use of the weapon we put in his hand to destroy us!" (Comprehensive History of the Church 2:208-209)

Well, Ezra, I am going to disagree with you on whether or not Joseph Smith disagrees with me.

What he is saying is don't throw your vote away on an unworthy individual who might make use of the weapon we put in his (OR HER) hand to destroy us.
That means her, the beast. She is clearly the one who intends to destroy us. With dictatorial powers, with the banning and seizure of any and all guns, except those in the hands of criminals, and bring about a world government, where we have no say in any of our affairs.
So, I think actually, Joseph Smith was warning us against this beast.
After all, he was a prophet of God, not politics, and I do not believe God would want us ruled by a tyrannical beast. And world government.
dc

Any degrade of freedoms is a weapon used aginst us.

Is trump constitutional? No. He is more then Hillary. But that doesn't matter. He will still degrade our freedoms because he doesn't know and understand the constutution.

So to vote for either of those 2 candidates will only further to destroy us.

We have been told that voting for evil is sin. We have been told that anything less or more then a constitutional candidate will only bring evil.

So it's throwing away your vote to vote for evil or the lesser.


If Jesus was running for office and was poled to loose by a land slide. But you could vote for one of Satans minions to keep Satan out who would you vote for?

It's as simple as that for me. Vote for the best person who is on the ballet. Not voting for evil to keep the greater evil out.

That's what Joseph smith is saying. Don't put a weapon in the hands of an enemy. Vote for someone who is worthy. There are more worthy canidates then the medias chosen front runners.

Trump is not evil. Trump is not dangerous. Yes, he is sometimes crude, not "politically correct" speaks his mind, and has new, novel and unusual ideas compared to the mush candidates we have seen in recent years. I like that.
Trump will not destroy us.
Trump will follow good advice.
dc

You might want to do a search on who his friends are. Might change your mind about that.

You might want to do a search on who his friends are. Might change your mind about that.

Wow, you might have a point there.

The first favorite word of Trumpies is rigged. It's rigged they yell. Trump leads them on, "It's rigged!". I used to be rigged, but now I'm not, but everything else is.

Trump received a respectable bounce coming off the RNC. At the DNC, an unknown secret weapon was unleashed, Khizr Khan. "Have you even read the Constitution" demanded Khan.

An unbelievable gift was given to Trump. All he had to do was show respect for the Gold Star Khans. Then Trump could have pulled out a worn pocket Constitution and say, "Yes, Mr. Khan, I have read the Constituion!" "And I'm fighting hard against Hillary who is trying to break our Constitution apart!"

That didn't happen, because riggermortis set in. Instead, Trump decided to disrespect the Khans. For 6 stupid days.

Trump, Mr. Riggermortis...

Rewcox, if Hillary cheated in the primaries, you have heard of Wiki-leaks I assume, then why would she not do the same in the general?

rewcox wrote:The first favorite word of Trumpies is rigged. It's rigged they yell. Trump leads them on, "It's rigged!". I used to be rigged, but now I'm not, but everything else is.

Trump received a respectable bounce coming off the RNC. At the DNC, an unknown secret weapon was unleashed, Khizr Khan. "Have you even read the Constitution" demanded Khan.

An unbelievable gift was given to Trump. All he had to do was show respect for the Gold Star Khans. Then Trump could have pulled out a worn pocket Constitution and say, "Yes, Mr. Khan, I have read the Constituion!" "And I'm fighting hard against Hillary who is trying to break our Constitution apart!"

That didn't happen, because riggermortis set in. Instead, Trump decided to disrespect the Khans. For 6 stupid days.

Trump, Mr. Riggermortis...

I think we may be seeing just another case of rewcox projecting his own problems onto Trump again. It's called Trump-obsession-riggermortis and is INCREDIBLY rigid and unyielding, as we can see from rewcox's example

iWriteStuff wrote:

Fiannan wrote:

iWriteStuff wrote:

markharr wrote:
Like I said, I don't love Trump, and I am not happy about him being the best choice, but it is what it is.

....which is why there's a third choice, which to many is the better choice.

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You really hate Trump a lot iwritestuff, shall we infer a Freudian thing? I mean I do not like Hillary but I am not obsessed about her but rather her positions on the issues.

It's a principled stand, Fiannan. You notice I haven't used anything other than his own words? I juxtapose those against the actual Constitution and the positions of the church and you call that Freudian? Ok, buddy.

I haven't even approached his morality or integrity yet. What I have quoted are statements by Trump about himself and his candidacy/policy/positions and opinions. If you want to defend them, it's your prerogative. However, some of his positions are quite indefensible.

That's so big of you, to not approach his morality or integrity yet! :))

kennyhs wrote:

iWriteStuff wrote:

Fiannan wrote:

iWriteStuff wrote:
....which is why there's a third choice, which to many is the better choice.

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You really hate Trump a lot iwritestuff, shall we infer a Freudian thing? I mean I do not like Hillary but I am not obsessed about her but rather her positions on the issues.

It's a principled stand, Fiannan. You notice I haven't used anything other than his own words? I juxtapose those against the actual Constitution and the positions of the church and you call that Freudian? Ok, buddy.

I haven't even approached his morality or integrity yet. What I have quoted are statements by Trump about himself and his candidacy/policy/positions and opinions. If you want to defend them, it's your prerogative. However, some of his positions are quite indefensible.

That's so big of you, to not approach his morality or integrity yet! :))

Actually I don't intend to as I don't need to. You don't need to read much to discover his character. But, ya know, go ahead and mock me for quoting the guy.

It's not easy being a gun slinger. Trump found out. You have to get the gun out of the holster before you pull the trigger, else you shoot yourself in the foot. Which is what Trump did. Now he is limping along.

Trump is behind by 10 points in the Poll of Polls. What really matters is how he is doing in the battle states, where he is behind by double digits.

Republicans are worried they could lose the Senate.

Paul Ryan has a primary battle tomorrow. It will be interesting to see how he does.

Trump is talking about his economic plan this week, let's see how he does.

Fiannan wrote:Rewcox, if Hillary cheated in the primaries, you have heard of Wiki-leaks I assume, then why would she not do the same in the general?

She won't need to. How can Trump win in the electoral college now?

Georgia, Arizona, and North Carolina are all blue now. If Trump were to take FL, OH, PA, MN, IA, and WI he would still lose.

Trump cannot continue to say the things he has said and win the election. He hates Mexicans, he hates Muslims, he hates Blacks, and he is losing the educated White vote.

There are not enough angry White males to counteract 27 million Latinos who right now are 80 percent Clinton, and for good reason.

If Clinton DOESN'T win, it will be because the voting was rigged.

Fiannan wrote:

I just call you Trumpies.

By the way, Politico has a graph on the liers, and gues what, Trump is the biggest lier. Trump lies every 5 mintues.

Fiannan wrote:

You see how she makes it sound like there are only 2 choices. Gotta love the secret combination controled media.

Get us to think the battle is between the 2 opposing sides when both choices they present is a win win for them. You will find that reoccurring theme everywhere in secret combination controled media or brainwashed people.

Ezra wrote:

Fiannan wrote:

You see how she makes it sound like there are only 2 choices. Gotta love the secret combination controled media.

Get us to think the battle is between the 2 opposing sides when both choices they present is a win win for them. You will find that reoccurring theme everywhere in secret combination controled media or brainwashed people.

Shiz vs. Coriantumr vs.....

Oh yeah, there's this guy named Ether. He survived, too.

To clarify: there is no salvation in a political candidate. There is DEFINITELY no salvation in a politician. Anyone looking to a political candidate, and I do mean any candidate, to save us from destruction will be sadly disappointed.

There is only one salvation from destruction, and that comes from nationwide repentance.

There is only one salvation from destruction, and that comes from nationwide repentance.

¨But...but...the Anointed One from Canada lost the primary election.

You see how she makes it sound like there are only 2 choices.

You know, that is what the SJWs involved in the gender identity movement are critical of as well. ;)

Fiannan wrote:

There is only one salvation from destruction, and that comes from nationwide repentance.

¨But...but...the Anointed One from Canada lost the primary election.

Don't make the mistake of thinking I supported Cruz either.

iWriteStuff wrote:

Fiannan wrote:

There is only one salvation from destruction, and that comes from nationwide repentance.

¨But...but...the Anointed One from Canada lost the primary election.

Don't make the mistake of thinking I supported Cruz either.

So who was the one?

samizdat wrote:Trump cannot continue to say the things he has said and win the election. He hates Mexicans, he hates Muslims, he hates Blacks, and he is losing the educated White vote.

There are not enough angry White males to counteract 27 million Latinos who right now are 80 percent Clinton, and for good reason.

If Clinton DOESN'T win, it will be because the voting was rigged.

What deluded poppy cock (your hate allegations).

iWriteStuff wrote: . . . . You see how she makes it sound like there are only 2 choices. Gotta love the secret combination controled media.

Get us to think the battle is between the 2 opposing sides when both choices they present is a win win for them. You will find that reoccurring theme everywhere in secret combination controled media or brainwashed people.

Shiz vs. Coriantumr vs.....

Oh yeah, there's this guy named Ether. He survived, too.

To clarify: there is no salvation in a political candidate. There is DEFINITELY no salvation in a politician. Anyone looking to a political candidate, and I do mean any candidate, to save us from destruction will be sadly disappointed.

There is only one salvation from destruction, and that comes from nationwide repentance.

Just another example extreme black-and-white categorization.

I don't think any Trump supporters see him as providing spiritual 'salvation'. Though they may see him as initiating political actions that may begin to save us economically, keep us out of unnecessary and illegal wars, avoiding a WWIII via ramping down the anti-Russian/Putin rhetoric, etc., etc.

So far, I'm not aware of any of the anti-Trump posters on this forum being able to pull themselves out of their black-and-white thinking regarding Trump. I've come to think this is an impossibility with this group.

Fascinating phenomenon, though, viewed dispassionately.

larsenb wrote:

iWriteStuff wrote: . . . . You see how she makes it sound like there are only 2 choices. Gotta love the secret combination controled media.

Get us to think the battle is between the 2 opposing sides when both choices they present is a win win for them. You will find that reoccurring theme everywhere in secret combination controled media or brainwashed people.

Shiz vs. Coriantumr vs.....

Oh yeah, there's this guy named Ether. He survived, too.

To clarify: there is no salvation in a political candidate. There is DEFINITELY no salvation in a politician. Anyone looking to a political candidate, and I do mean any candidate, to save us from destruction will be sadly disappointed.

There is only one salvation from destruction, and that comes from nationwide repentance.

Just another example extreme black-and-white categorization.

I don't think any Trump supporters see him as providing spiritual 'salvation'. Though they may see him as initiating political actions that may begin to save us economically, keep us out of unnecessary and illegal wars, avoiding a WWIII via ramping down the anti-Russian/Putin rhetoric, etc., etc.

So far, I'm not aware of any of the anti-Trump posters on this forum being able to pull themselves out of their black-and-white thinking regarding Trump. I've come to think this is an impossibility with this group.

Fascinating phenomenon, though, viewed dispassionately.

I'm curious - would a poster have to be pro-Trump to escape their "black-and-white thinking"?

I'd also like to clarify that I'm not anti-Trump. I just won't vote for him. I don't think he's the best candidate for the job. Doesn't mean I dislike him personally. I'm sure he's a great dad and grandfather, probably even a good husband. But I don't think he's right for the country. This is why I have declined to use personal attacks or defamation in my reasoning. I use his own statements to demonstrate why I think he's wrong for the country.

If quoting Trump is anti-Trump, then Trump is anti-Trump.

Fiannan wrote:

iWriteStuff wrote:

Fiannan wrote:

There is only one salvation from destruction, and that comes from nationwide repentance.

¨But...but...the Anointed One from Canada lost the primary election.

Don't make the mistake of thinking I supported Cruz either.

So who was the one?

"The one", as I phrased it, is not a person but a process. The nation needs repentance. Regardless of who leads it, we either repent or we await the day when our wickedness is ripe for a cleansing.

larsenb wrote:

samizdat wrote:Trump cannot continue to say the things he has said and win the election. He hates Mexicans, he hates Muslims, he hates Blacks, and he is losing the educated White vote.

There are not enough angry White males to counteract 27 million Latinos who right now are 80 percent Clinton, and for good reason.

If Clinton DOESN'T win, it will be because the voting was rigged.

What deluded poppy cock (your hate allegations).

None of that is poppy cock. He started the election by condemning many Mexican immigrants as rapists and drug dealers promising to build a wall to keep them out. Walls will never work. Tunnels, ladders, and airplanes are used all the time.

Mexico has no border wall with Guatemala either.

You have an additional 27 million Latinos registering to vote this year. That is why Trump is losing Arizona, Colorado, New Mexico, and to the SE, Georgia, Florida, and North Carolina.

Latest polls show Trompas getting only 14 percent of the Latino vote. He needs 40 to have a shot at winning. Romney got 28 percent, Bush 44 percent.

Blacks are overwhelmingly for Clinton (like 95 to 5). Trump needs 10 percent to have a shot. Romney and McCain combined couldn't get 10 percent. Bush got 12 percent. Trump has been auoted as saying he preferred Jews to count his money over black people.

Muslims have been a target of special scorn for Trump. The Khan fiasco is proof by itself. Bush had friendships with Muslims and though he didn't win Michigan (where most of them live), he came within a couple of percentage points there. Michigan was never competitive with Romney nor with McCain, as both of them lost the state by double digits.

Trump maligned a judge just because he happened to be of Mexican descent.

Trump has received endorsements from several white supremacists and many of them are even running.

We millenials despise the authoritarians. Trump places fourth behind Johnson, Clinton, and Stein, in that order.

We are now 25 percent of the electorate. We see trump for the fearmongerer that he is and see through his lies and personal life that he is the wrong type of person for office.

That is why if Trump wins it will be because of voter suppresion.

Samizdat don't you live in Mexico?

Samizdat, again the context is what matters, not twisting what Trump was saying. Did you know that the Romans believed Christians drank real blood for the sacrament? Not hard to believe that if you don't take it in context. Many non-Mormons believe that the temple ceremonies are conducted in the nude.

I will note that to take a quote out of context on purpose, or laziness, is bearing false witness and breaks one of the principle ten commandments. it might feel cool to rip on Trump but I hope it is worth it as maybe someone else is taking notes.

I would say the same thing in regards to Hillary as well. There is plenty to use against her without twisting things out of context which I see some conservatives doing as well.