Alice in Wonderland 101 - Pedophile Author, Satanic and Occult Inspired Movie

[jwharton]

Your name is set yourself free on a freedom forum. Go figure. So what if BroOfMahonri is an ex, did he put out misinformation? Was L.Carroll a pedophie or not? Did TSM derive the quotes from Alice in Wonderland or not? Can the symbology he discovered in Alice in Wonderland be disputed and debunked? This isn't the dark ages to burn books or ban people when they don't agree.

You are apparently a bitter member as well, go figure! It is not fact that Lewis Caroll was a pedophile nor is it fact that his book was Satanic. So to suggest it is trying to start something up about the Prophet.

On a side note, I wonder how many of us have read books by people who are secretly Satanists or pedophiles. Heck, how many of us have VOTED for such individuals? :ymsick:

And, so, will you perhaps look at the evidence you just put on exhibit in that light?
This is a statement of how woefully ignorant and non-discerning we are as a people.
Are we really that ignorant? I'm sure most of us are.
But, what about our church leaders?
Can they really plead ignorance?
I'm sure we will want to give them the benefit of the doubt, but then that points to the Lord for allowing it.
This opens up a quandary that the faint of heart probably would do well to leave on the shelf.

I found it irritating that Pres. Monson has quoted other Left-hand path materials and their authors.
How many times has Pres. Monson quoted Aldous Huxley, for example?
Doesn't this seem a bit odd that we would be given quotes from a Luciferian author?

For those who do not know Aldous Huxley and who tutored him, it was Aleister Crowley who is an open and avowed Satanist.

The foundation of Crowley's belief was the slogan, "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law," supposedly passed to him by his spirit guide Aiwass. Crowley was the tutor of Aldous Huxley, who was a champion of LSD and one of the greatest promoters of the social upheavals in America in the late 60's. Crowley's philosophy became reflected in the mantra of "If it feels good do it."
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Is this really someone we should be getting wisdom passed on to us from during general conference?

[iWriteStuff]

Is this really someone we should be getting wisdom passed on to us from during general conference?

Exactly how many members do you think listen to General Conference and then decide to go out and try LSD because someone referenced an imperfect author? Or, as in the case at present, decide to become pedophiles?

Good heavens, it's like we don't expect people to discern between a single useful statement and an impossibly bad decision....

[jwharton]

Is this really someone we should be getting wisdom passed on to us from during general conference?

Exactly how many members do you think listened to General Conference and then decide to go out and try LSD because someone referenced an imperfect author? Or, as in the case at present, decide to become pedophiles?

Good heavens, it's like we don't expect people to discern between a single useful statement and an impossibly bad decision....

Answer to your question:
Exact numbers are irrelevant.
The spirit and influence is conveyed.

Response to your answer:
Noted.
You are going on record for answering yes.

[shadow]

This thread is an example of looking beyond the mark. President Monson was very clear and concise in the message he wanted to share. If you missed it, you're blind.

[iWriteStuff]

Is this really someone we should be getting wisdom passed on to us from during general conference?

Exactly how many members do you think listened to General Conference and then decide to go out and try LSD because someone referenced an imperfect author? Or, as in the case at present, decide to become pedophiles?

Good heavens, it's like we don't expect people to discern between a single useful statement and an impossibly bad decision....

Answer to your question:
Exact numbers are irrelevant.
The spirit and influence is conveyed.

Response to your answer:
Noted.
You are going on record for answering yes.

As long as I'm on record as saying anyone can receive and convey truth, then sure, put me down for a "yes".

Response to your answer:
Noted.
People aren't expected to discern truth and error from mortal and imperfect individuals.

[sandman45]

President Monson has been the only person to mention Lewis Carroll in conference, and that in 8 Conference Talks, in 1986, (twice in) 1995, 1999, 2002, 2004, 2010, 2016.

This last conference (2016) where Pres. Monson again referenced Alice in Wonderland, was an exact repeat of his Alic in Wonderland quote from his 2010 message:
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with that link u an search from the beginning of general conferences to 2010..

so i searched and it found Thomas S Monson mentions it multiple times in 1995, 2004, and we know of just last week so in 2016.

Jorge F Zeballos mentions it in 2015.. and it seems like its pretty much the same as what Monson says..

I got curious and wondered what about the mentioning of Lewis Carroll because it seems like they quote him a lot..

and i found that

Henry D Moyle mentions it in 1953 and quotes from the Red Queen.

in 1986, 1995 (twice), 1999, 2002 (twice), 2004 (twice), and 2010(twice) and lately 2016 Thomas S. Monson uses his name in his talks to quote from him..

what about the author of Lion Witch and the wardrobe? C. S. Lewis? i recall him being mentioned a lot..

Clive Staples Lewis (29 November 1898 – 22 November 1963)

looks like Paul H. Dunn was the first to quote him in 1977
1978 - Ruth H. Funk
1979 (3 times) - Barbara B. Smith
1979 ( twice ) - Marvin J Ashton
1980 - Marvin J Ashton
1982 (twice) - Rex D. Pinegar
1983 - Neal A Maxwell

1984 (twice) - John K. Carmack
1985 (3 times) - Neal A. Maxwell
1987 (twice) - James E. Faust
1989 - Ezra Taft Benson
1991 - Jack H. Goaslind
1991 - Robert L. Backman
1992 - Marvin J Ashton
1992 (twice) - Neal A. Maxwell
1995 (3 times) - Dallin H. Oaks
1996 - Neal A. Maxwell
1998 (twice) - Margaret D. Nadauld
1999 - Joe J Christensen
1999 (twice) - Sharon G Larsen
2000 - Jefferey R. Holland
2001 (3 times) - Marlin K. Jensen
2004 - David B Haight
2004 - Dale E. Miller
2007 - Susan W. Tanner
2009 (twice) - Dallin H. Oaks
2011 - Tad R. Callister
2012 - Quentin L. Cook
2014 - Jean A. Stevens
2014 - Lynn G. Robbins

not sure about 2015 and 2016.. i find it interesting that once Dunn quoted him it seemed like the flood gates were opened and now everyone does lol

anyway interesting search features with that link

[skmo]

This whole thread topic is at best pathetic.

I couldn't have said it better, and I'm fairly good with words.

[skmo]

This thread is an example of looking beyond the mark. President Monson was very clear and concise in the message he wanted to share. If you missed it, you're blind.

Another possibility: Some might go in beforehand with a preconceived notion of what they wanted to find. Where this is the case, one can always find something that can be made to fit in the pattern desired. So far, I'm aware of one (1) person who couldn't have His words used against Him.

[Lexew1899]

We know that Satan does have a very big influence on media however. Look at all the musicians who sing about how they sell their souls to the devil for fortune and fame, how they talk about being possessed by evil spirits.
(Warning F-word, N-word used by musicians)

Here are two musicians who testified that this proposition was also made to them by the Devil, yet they refused the offer...

So I don't think it's much of a stretch to suggest that the devil could influence other forms of media.

I don't think President Monson was aware of this however. I don't particularly fault him for using the quote either, although I don't find fault in people questioning it either.

[jwharton]

This thread is an example of looking beyond the mark. President Monson was very clear and concise in the message he wanted to share. If you missed it, you're blind.

No, I didn't miss it.
There is the right-hand path and there is the left-hand path and all must eventually choose.

I just find it odd that he is bringing this up from a left-hand path source text and author.

[jwharton]

Is this really someone we should be getting wisdom passed on to us from during general conference?

Exactly how many members do you think listened to General Conference and then decide to go out and try LSD because someone referenced an imperfect author? Or, as in the case at present, decide to become pedophiles?

Good heavens, it's like we don't expect people to discern between a single useful statement and an impossibly bad decision....

Answer to your question:
Exact numbers are irrelevant.
The spirit and influence is conveyed.

Response to your answer:
Noted.
You are going on record for answering yes.

As long as I'm on record as saying anyone can receive and convey truth, then sure, put me down for a "yes".

Response to your answer:
Noted.
People aren't expected to discern truth and error from mortal and imperfect individuals.

Not really sure what you are saying here.
Of course we need to have discernment.
Just remember, we are talking about our Church President and his remarks during a world-wide general conference.
Is that really the time and setting that people are expecting to need to put on their discernment caps when Luciferian left-hand path source texts and authors are being quoted by their beloved Prophet?

[boo]

Your name is set yourself free on a freedom forum. Go figure. So what if BroOfMahonri is an ex, did he put out misinformation? Was L.Carroll a pedophie or not? Did TSM derive the quotes from Alice in Wonderland or not? Can the symbology he discovered in Alice in Wonderland be disputed and debunked? This isn't the dark ages to burn books or ban people when they don't agree.

You are apparently a bitter member as well, go figure! It is not fact that Lewis Caroll was a pedophile nor is it fact that his book was Satanic. So to suggest it is trying to start something up about the Prophet.

Maybe but it is a fact that if he took similar pictures in Az today and law enforcement authorities found out he would go to prison for child pornography. i suspect you have not seen the entire corpus of his work. It shocked Victorian attitudes and our society has criminalized it Those are the historical facts. What you want to do with them is up to you but before you run around censoring everything you don't like read John Milton's Areopagitica . It is a better use of your time and may help you understand why modern societies don't burn books nor preemptively silence others views .

[Rachael]

Okay, first...do we expect Thomas S. Monson to send an investigative team out in search of anything questionable in one of the poems or stories he is known as quoting? There are weird or perverse or whatever stories behind many, many products as well as authors of all genres of literature.

Do you eat corn flakes? You know why Kellogg developed them? Then why do you eat them without knowing that? (BTW just search origin of corn flakes - Kellogg). ...

BKP should have recommended eating corn flakes in that "For Young Men Only" pamphlet about controlling the "little factory"

Yeah, sometimes people knock Freud because he took cocaine for depression, so should we discount all his research into human motivation?

Cocaine is pretty fabulous for depression, even Eric Clapton knows that...until you run out of money to get some more

Benjamin Franklin belonged to some rather interesting occult groups (not the run-of-the-ill Masonic orders all the Founding Fathers belonged to). Yet should we castigate a leader in the Church for quoting Franklin?

Love Ben Franklin quotes, and his almanacs

[setyourselffree]

Your name is set yourself free on a freedom forum. Go figure. So what if BroOfMahonri is an ex, did he put out misinformation? Was L.Carroll a pedophie or not? Did TSM derive the quotes from Alice in Wonderland or not? Can the symbology he discovered in Alice in Wonderland be disputed and debunked? This isn't the dark ages to burn books or ban people when they don't agree.

You are apparently a bitter member as well, go figure! It is not fact that Lewis Caroll was a pedophile nor is it fact that his book was Satanic. So to suggest it is trying to start something up about the Prophet.

Maybe but it is a fact that if he took similar pictures in Az today and law enforcement authorities found out he would go to prison for child pornography. i suspect you have not seen the entire corpus of his work. It shocked Victorian attitudes and our society has criminalized it Those are the historical facts. What you want to do with them is up to you but before you run around censoring everything you don't like read John Milton's Areopagitica . It is a better use of your time and may help you understand why modern societies don't burn books nor preemptively silence others views .

I am not even convinced the girl in the photo seen at the top is underage. And if the original author of this thread and you, have looked at other pictures you may be labeled a pedophile also.

[shadow]

This thread is an example of looking beyond the mark. President Monson was very clear and concise in the message he wanted to share. If you missed it, you're blind.

No, I didn't miss it.
There is the right-hand path and there is the left-hand path and all must eventually choose.

I just find it odd that he is bringing this up from a left-hand path source text and author.

Truth stands independent. The Cheshire Cat example makes the message understandable and visual for many, especially the young boys who were also present and who I suspect President Monson especially wanted them to understand. It hits home so to speak. When the youth hear the speaker just quote scripture their eyes glaze over i-) . I was a kid once and I hated general conference for that reason. But the Cheshire Cat link, as a kid I would've paid attention to that. Even as an adult it still hits home.
Most aren't as analytical as yourself. President Monson can't please everyone with his personality.

[Rachael]

I am not even convinced the girl in photo seen at the top is underage. And if the original author of this thread and you, have looked at other pictures you may be labeled a pedophil

I haven't looked at them but they probably are edited with those black bars over the relevant parts

[jwharton]

That third video was really inspirational. So happy for that guy.

So I don't think it's much of a stretch to suggest that the devil could influence other forms of media.

I don't think President Monson was aware of this however. I don't particularly fault him for using the quote either, although I don't find fault in people questioning it either.

Exactly. We shouldn't make assumptions either way.

Incidentally, discerning a true left-hand path person is not very easy to do.
They have cremated all care and possess the ability to put up whatever front is necessary.
Generally speaking, you have to pay attention to what they won't say or do to profile them.
And, even then, that only provides an absence of proof that they aren't left-hand path, at best.

[boo]

I am not even convinced the girl in photo seen at the top is underage. And if the original author of this thread and you, have looked at other pictures you may be labeled a pedophil

I haven't looked at them but they probably are edited with those black bars over the relevant parts

Wrong

[Rachael]

I'll take your word for it...

[setyourselffree]

I am not even convinced the girl in photo seen at the top is underage. And if the original author of this thread and you, have looked at other pictures you may be labeled a pedophil

I haven't looked at them but they probably are edited with those black bars over the relevant parts

Wrong

Why on earth would you even want to look at those if they are underage girls? For research? You must be a pedophile.

[Rachael]

That third video was really inspirational. So happy for that guy.

So I don't think it's much of a stretch to suggest that the devil could influence other forms of media.

I don't think President Monson was aware of this however. I don't particularly fault him for using the quote either, although I don't find fault in people questioning it either.

Exactly. We shouldn't make assumptions either way.

Incidentally, discerning a true left-hand path person is not very easy to do.
They have cremated all care and possess the ability to put up whatever front is necessary.
Generally speaking, you have to pay attention to what they won't say or do to profile them.
And, even then, that only provides an absence of proof that they aren't left-hand path, at best.

Just so long as GAs don't show up at any Bohemian Grove meet ups, I don't think the Alice in wonderland analogies are a big deal. But it was interesting to learn the story behind the story

[Rachael]

I am not even convinced the girl in photo seen at the top is underage. And if the original author of this thread and you, have looked at other pictures you may be labeled a pedophil

I haven't looked at them but they probably are edited with those black bars over the relevant parts

Wrong

Why on earth would you even want to look at those if they are underage girls? For research? You must be a pedophile.

Probably research

[setyourselffree]

I haven't looked at them but they probably are edited with those black bars over the relevant parts

Wrong

Why on earth would you even want to look at those if they are underage girls? For research? You must be a pedophile.

Probably research

Some research doesn't need be done imo.

[Rachael]

I researched without looking at the pic(s) and it is in a French museum. Its in the news since the story's 150th anniversary

[jwharton]

Just so long as GAs don't show up at any Bohemian Grove meet ups, I don't think the Alice in wonderland analogies are a big deal. But it was interesting to learn the story behind the story

Haven't you heard that Wilford Woodruff was invited to go and speak to the Bohemian Club?
And, that it was on this trip to California after having done so that he became suddenly ill and died there?