Long Hair and you be damned!

[Still Learning]

I shared Jake Hilton's video on LDSFF and also saw it posted on another forum. Not fewer than 10 people (yes, I counted some replies) mentioned that no way would they listen to him-He has long hair. My initial thought was What the freak? Seriously? What will you say to Jesus when he comes back? Hand him some hair clippers and a razor?

It seriously baffled me that longer, very clean looking hair on a man can create an instant wall. I felt it was extremely judgmental and foolish. Do I stand alone? Is it really that big of a deal? What about depictions of Christ, the Father and Son in the first vision? Samson? What about the beards that every prophet except JS had up until WWII era? Which by the way is when I think this cultural ideal was created by the US military. Correct me if wrong.

So, how about a poll?

full disclosure: I have short hair.

[shadow]

I won't watch his video because his name is Jake so he probably sounds hideous and his last name is Hilton which reminds me of Paris Hilton whom I can't stand. I think she may have long hair too. That and he's just some dude with an opinion. I can listen to George Noory on Coast to Coast with BGood if I want someone's opinion.

[Dash jones]

It depends on the culture. Different hair styles can signify different things in different cultures. Typically in many Western Cultures today, long hair signifies rebelliousness and an unwillingness to listen, obey laws, or be useful to society.

Does this mean if someone has long hair they are all those things. Of course not, it's a stereotype. HOWEVER, because of that stereotype, many who WANT to be viewed like that, grow out their hair if they are male (similar to the ear ring idea for guys, or even better, the tubes in the ears)

Hence, it comes with a bad reputation.

In other times long hair was a more conservative item, and that along with a beard and mustache would signify wisdom and growth in the individual, while shaving the beard off would signify someone who was rebellious, wanted to try to emulate a child or other things.

These are all stereotypes, but unfortunately stereotypes attract many who want to be seen that way. Hence it gives way for people to write off any who appear as the stereotype.

Obviously, as I said, it doesn't mean that the person is any of those things, that's ridiculous. However, you can expect stereotypes to be enacted at you by some if you dress the part.

When doing public speech or other items, at times it does not matter what you say or how you act, but what people PERCIEVE you as which results in how you are accepted along with what you state or do.

[kennyhs]

I saw a man in the Temple with a pony tail. As far as full disclosure, no son of mine would have long hair, I disagree with it and would consider it a sign of rebellion. My son's never had a problem with keeping their hair short.

[isaacs2066]

The wicked called Enoch a wild man.
Most likely because he looked like a wild very hairy man.

That says a lot when you consider he was directly responsible for building a society so impressive that God decided to transplant it to heaven...

[Rachael]

Sampson shouldn't have told Delilah the secret of his strength...

[Fiannan]

The wicked called Enoch a wild man.
Most likely because he looked like a wild very hairy man.

That says a lot when you consider he was directly responsible for building a society so impressive that God decided to transplant it to heaven...

Not sure what Enoch looked like but this Japanese game presents his as such:



Hollywood presents him as such: http://media.theiapolis.com/d4/hJ4/i2DP ... uselah.jpg" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[h_p]

I won't take the guy seriously until he includes his middle initial in his name.

[braingrunt]

Dang, if only those who suspected Jake Hilton of being off the rails due to long hair, weren't actually vindicated by him actually being off the rails--as really begins to evidence in video #2 of his "The Time is Now". Well, according to my opinion anyway. Rumor has it, his sister claims that his final documentary will put the question to rest once and for all, he's apostate.

Unpicked appearance means Jacksquat, but people always forget that picked appearance does come from the mind and heart. I'm not saying it's always straightforward to discern what a look means, but it does mean something.

[natasha]

I saw a man in the Temple with a pony tail. As far as full disclosure, no son of mine would have long hair, I disagree with it and would consider it a sign of rebellion. My son's never had a problem with keeping their hair short.

You might want to consider why that man in the temple had a pony tail. My husband is a Dakota Sioux and wears his hair long, and in a pony tail, as a sign of respect for his ancestors. On a side note....the women in our ward absolutely love his long hair.

[caddis]

Priesthood uniform, clean shaven, and short hair is the only way to make it to the celestial kingdom.

[Still Learning]

I didn't intend this to be a Jake Hilton thread. But alas that is where tthe idea stemmed from.

Even this was posted here at ldsff:

This Jake Hilton guy is a joke. If a priesthood holder shows up to church with hair like that, I'd call into question his priorities regarding the gospel and Church. ...

[kennyhs]

I saw a man in the Temple with a pony tail. As far as full disclosure, no son of mine would have long hair, I disagree with it and would consider it a sign of rebellion. My son's never had a problem with keeping their hair short.

You might want to consider why that man in the temple had a pony tail. My husband is a Dakota Sioux and wears his hair long, and in a pony tail, as a sign of respect for his ancestors. On a side note....the women in our ward absolutely love his long hair.

My reason for saying, " I saw a man in the Temple with a pony tail," was meant to be positive, sorry it didn't sound that way, it was late.
My Great Grandfather was a full blooded Cherokee, no predjudice here. :ymhug:

[LucianAMD]

I had long hair all through junior high and highschool. In highschool I had a pony tail. I tell you, the amount of judgement I received growing up lds in utah with long hair and being male was ridiculous. So many people assumed I was a druggy and a sinner just from my hair. And when I finally decided to cut my hair short, it was amazing how people suddenly treated me differently and much better. It was night and day. The whole experience was surreal that people would treat others so differently based on hair alone.

[Army Of Truth]

I used to have long hair growing up because I was in a rock band. [FYI: I currently have no hair] But going to different wards when I moved around after high school, in Southern California, I experienced a lot of members who were stereotyping me saying things like "are you a member?" and "how long have you been a member?" or "did you do drugs before?" as if I was a drug user but now coming back to church or investigating the church. They would always be surprised when I told them I grew up in the church and have been active my whole life. So I have lived the ridicule of members having had long hair.

On the flip side, I now have no hair. I shaved my head because I had a bad case of seborrhea psoriasis that bothered me and the dandruff shampoos I used didn't help much. Before going on my mission, I actually had to write to the First Presidency to ask if I'm able to go on my mission with my shaved head and I told them about my condition and why I have a shaved head. I got a reply saying that it was okay for me to go on my mission. I was also given this scripture quote from 1 Samuel 16:7:

for the Lord seeth not as man seeth; for man looketh on the outward appearance, but the Lord looketh on the heart.

So I happily went on my mission, only to experience similar stereotyping of me for my looks. One older member actually started going off on me, before even asking why my head is shaved, and said in essence "people like you need to repent. I don't see why they are allowing wanna-be gangsters into the mission field..." etc, etc. But I simply waited for him to finish his speech, then told him that I've never been in a gang and about my seborrhea psoriasis condition and why I shave my head and also about my letter from the First Presidency allowing me to shave my head and he was very sorry that he rebuked me. So I see many similar stereotyping having a shaved head, with members, as well as having long hair. People need to relax and stop judging. B-)

[Sirocco]

Priesthood uniform, clean shaven, and short hair is the only way to make it to the celestial kingdom.

Oh good I can give all that up now :))

I have long hair myself, the biggest reason is I feel I look the best with it, I generally dislike how I look with short hair.
Also I don't work at an office or with the public, I work alone, usually from home.
My parents I don't think are 100% on my hair but since I don't live at home I couldn't care less of what they have to say about my hair or how I dress.
While I've not turned up to church in my nicest clothes (male lolita) no one back where I used to live ever said anything about my hair, which was long for a short time until I cut it for outdoor work.
I guess they were just surprised to see a 20something man there, even if I had no family to bring lol.
When I have facial hair my friends make a lot of Jesus jokes (none of them are religious).

[isaacs2066]

I won't take the guy seriously until he includes his middle initial in his name.

Who? Me?

If you are talking about me my last initial is in my username. Perhaps I should have capitalized the s.

If you are talking about that Hilton guy I do not think he will ever use his middle initial because that is ridiculous even for supposedly important people.

[kennyhs]

I won't take the guy seriously until he includes his middle initial in his name.

Who? Me?

If you are talking about me my last initial is in my username. Perhaps I should have capitalized the s.

If you are talking about that Hilton guy I do not think he will ever use his middle initial because that is ridiculous even for supposedly important people.

Why is that so ridiculous? Because the general authorities do it?

[freedomforall]

Did not Jesus wear long hair?
Do the two personages seen by JS have short hair?
How about in the endowment house presentation?
Did the head of Moses resemble a cue ball?

What is the real purpose for the OP?

[David13]

I used to have long hair.
Now, is it a stereotype to say long hair is usually associated with drug use? Or is it simply a fact?
I was never into drugs.
My hair is today very short, and at my age I have lost much of it.
I keep it short for convenience and for motorcycle riding (in the helmet). No hair dryer needed and easy to clean.

I do believe that there were some people with long hair that will be admitted to the Celestial Kingdom, and I think we all know that beards are ok there, also, that is clear.

But the ideal situation is short hair with or without a beard.
Mustaches are not ok. They are inappropriate. Ezra Taft Benson said that.
dc

[h_p]

I won't take the guy seriously until he includes his middle initial in his name.

Who? Me?

If you are talking about me my last initial is in my username. Perhaps I should have capitalized the s.

If you are talking about that Hilton guy I do not think he will ever use his middle initial because that is ridiculous even for supposedly important people.

I was being sarcastic. I shouldn't be on the internets today. It was referring to Jake Hilton not using his middle initial like proper LDS authors.

[isaacs2066]

I won't take the guy seriously until he includes his middle initial in his name.

Who? Me?

If you are talking about me my last initial is in my username. Perhaps I should have capitalized the s.

If you are talking about that Hilton guy I do not think he will ever use his middle initial because that is ridiculous even for supposedly important people.

Why is that so ridiculous? Because the general authorities do it?

I do not think general authorities should do it either, are they church leaders or authors..?

[kennyhs]

I won't take the guy seriously until he includes his middle initial in his name.

Who? Me?

If you are talking about me my last initial is in my username. Perhaps I should have capitalized the s.

If you are talking about that Hilton guy I do not think he will ever use his middle initial because that is ridiculous even for supposedly important people.

Why is that so ridiculous? Because the general authorities do it?

I do not think general authorities should do it either, are they church leaders or authors..?

My son is named after his Grandfather, so we use his middle initial as a purpose of identity. They are church leaders, not fodder for ridicule.
Lets have a little respect.

[isaacs2066]

Who? Me?

If you are talking about me my last initial is in my username. Perhaps I should have capitalized the s.

If you are talking about that Hilton guy I do not think he will ever use his middle initial because that is ridiculous even for supposedly important people.

Why is that so ridiculous? Because the general authorities do it?

I do not think general authorities should do it either, are they church leaders or authors..?

My son is named after his Grandfather, so we use his middle initial as a purpose of identity. They are church leaders, not fodder for ridicule.
Lets have a little respect.

no world leader that I am aware of uses their middle initial, why should religious leaders?

[kennyhs]

Why is that so ridiculous? Because the general authorities do it?

I do not think general authorities should do it either, are they church leaders or authors..?

My son is named after his Grandfather, so we use his middle initial as a purpose of identity. They are church leaders, not fodder for ridicule.
Lets have a little respect.

no world leader that I am aware of uses their middle initial, why should religious leaders?

George W. Bush, John F. Kennedy, they were leaders of the most powerful nation in the world.